By how much male roles dominate Hollywood movies?
This statistical analysis of Hollywood movie's dialogue is very interesting:
https://pudding.cool/2017/03/film-dialogue/ So instance, in 80% of this set of 2,000 popular Hollywood movies over the past 30 years, men have more than 60% of all lines spoken. :eek: |
Originally Posted by Guaporense (Post 1895129)
This statistical analysis of Hollywood movie's dialogue is very interesting:
https://pudding.cool/2017/03/film-dialogue/ So instance, in 80% of this set of 2,000 popular Hollywood movies over the past 30 years, men have more than 60% of all lines spoken. :eek:
80% of this set of 2,000 popular Hollywood movies over the past 30 years, men have more than 60% of all lines spoken.
Interesting stuff, thanks Guap |
Re: By how much male roles dominate Hollywood movies?
I'd be more interested in seeing these same dialogue statistics but with films written by females.
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Re: By how much male roles dominate Hollywood movies?
"Shut up and just be beautiful!" :D
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Re: By how much male roles dominate Hollywood movies?
I would also like someone to do that same for anime.
This one is also interesting: https://pudding.cool/2017/03/bechdel/ Look at this quote:
On blockbusters, Hollywood has fewer women directors per capita than the military has female generals.
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Re: By how much male roles dominate Hollywood movies?
Yeah, a study like this needs to be done for just this decade.
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Originally Posted by Mr Minio (Post 1895132)
"Shut up and just be beautiful!" :D
Or, if you are talking about male characters these days, "Shut up, be flawed and just die!" :D |
Originally Posted by Theophile (Post 1895319)
Yeah, a study like this needs to be done for just this decade.
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Originally Posted by jiraffejustin (Post 1895323)
Actually, I don't think it needs to be done at all. It doesn't really serve a purpose, in fact, it's misleading. It references Mulan and mentions that the dragon has more words than her, but he's a blithering, cowardly idiot, and Mulan is a stoic and reserved hero. Yet, the article focuses on the fact that the dragon has more words said than Mulan. Mulan is the strong, silent type archetype while the dragon is the mouthy, cowardly sidekick archetype that Eddie Murphy would do in the Shrek movies as well. I haven't seen Mulan in ages, so perhaps I could be less than 100% accurate here, but Mulan is a film about female empowerment and trying to make the claim that a strong woman can do anything a strong man can do. I don't think it's inclusion in a study trying to prove male dominance is a good idea unless your idea is just to provide a raw set of data with no context.
Now, on a rhetorical level, choosing that film as an example of the problem they are examining would be a mistake, if that's what they had done. However, it isn't. They even go out of their way to explicit make the point I have, and use Mulan as an example of how the study's methodology is not a critique of the films studied.
This dataset isn’t perfect. As with Mulan, a plot can center around a character, even though the dialogue doesn’t reflect it. And all of our data is based on screenplays, not a perfect transcription of a film.
As with all studies of this nature, the data collected only can point us in the direction of a larger discussion of an issue, it's up to the researchers, and ourselves, the readers, to determine exactly what that data means and what we should do with the information. When I read a study like this, it illustrates using data the larger problems mainstream cinema has with gender representation, and suggests a real concrete effect of those problems, an effect the industry and the audience can look to correct, by actively seeking to create more opportunity for women-led projects, both in front of and behind camera, and supporting those projects. Now, you may not consider this to be an issue at all, and that would be unfortunate but I suppose right now I'll have to just agree to disagree, but it would be more productive to be upfront about that disagreement and talk about why you feel it isn't an issue, than to misinterpret a study by focusing on one data point in a much larger trend as a way of deflecting from the real issue. |
This is to balance out woman having more than 60% of all lines spoken in real life.
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Oh also they included an FAQ where they address further concerns about their intent and the methodology in even more detail, which can be found here
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Originally Posted by FromBeyond (Post 1895325)
This is to balance out woman having more than 60% of all lines spoken in real life.
Also for what it's worth, as a very talkative man, in my experience listening to myself in conversations and as far as my male and female friends are concerned, anecdotally, men seem to speak far far more often. As for where the 'women talk so much' stereotype came from, it's complicated, but the answer essentially stems from the way on a systemic level women's speech is seen as an infringement in many environments (being 'naggy' etc.) and thus, being unwelcome, is noticed more than male speech, so while they speak less in reality, it is registered as speaking more. This isn't to say that the individual people who believe in this or whose life experience suggests this to be true are like, raging misogynists who want women to shut it, or whatever, because that's obviously not the case, but more that the culture we all live in affects are perception of things on a level that's more subtle than active, conscious bigotry, and this level of cultural impact can affect the way we view each other and lead to things that seem to be 'common knowledge' ideas that are not supported by reality. |
Re: By how much male roles dominate Hollywood movies?
Also true for the "dames cant drive" stereotype which also has been proven to be wrong when tested.
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Re: By how much male roles dominate Hollywood movies?
It's interesting how Kathryn Bigelow directs movies with 100% male dialogue. You'd think getting more female directors would correct those statistics.
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Originally Posted by FromBeyond (Post 1895325)
This is to balance out woman having more than 60% of all lines spoken in real life.
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Originally Posted by Bihotza (Post 1895342)
It's interesting how Kathryn Bigelow directs movies with 100% male dialogue. You'd think getting more female directors would correct those statistics.
Originally Posted by Bihotza (Post 1895343)
Have you ever been to college/an office? Sit in a room with men and see how they never shut up or let you talk and when you do they just talk over you as if you haven't said anything..
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Originally Posted by Bihotza (Post 1895342)
It's interesting how Kathryn Bigelow directs movies with 100% male dialogue. You'd think getting more female directors would correct those statistics.
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Originally Posted by Siddon (Post 1895348)
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Re: By how much male roles dominate Hollywood movies?
I like it when they write women like persons rather than stereotypes
I love how Sofia wrote Scarlett in Lost In Translation. Just a smart woman who doesn't have it all figured out. I like Strong Women too but sometimes they overdo it and forget that women can have their flaws and insecurities too. |
Originally Posted by BraedenG33 (Post 1895328)
This, interestingly, is also not true. There are a variety of studies out there on the topic (though unfortunately I do not have the link to one handy and I need to go to sleep like 3 hours ago) that suggest that throughout the day, men and women speak on average roughly equally, and that in speaking environments involving groups of people like conferences and such, men talk on average far more than women.
Also for what it's worth, as a very talkative man, in my experience listening to myself in conversations and as far as my male and female friends are concerned, anecdotally, men seem to speak far far more often. As for where the 'women talk so much' stereotype came from, it's complicated, but the answer essentially stems from the way on a systemic level women's speech is seen as an infringement in many environments (being 'naggy' etc.) and thus, being unwelcome, is noticed more than male speech, so while they speak less in reality, it is registered as speaking more. This isn't to say that the individual people who believe in this or whose life experience suggests this to be true are like, raging misogynists who want women to shut it, or whatever, because that's obviously not the case, but more that the culture we all live in affects are perception of things on a level that's more subtle than active, conscious bigotry, and this level of cultural impact can affect the way we view each other and lead to things that seem to be 'common knowledge' ideas that are not supported by reality. |
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