Allen v Farrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKTOj7HnLbo
The four-part documentary series Allen v. Farrow, from award-winning investigative filmmakers Kirby Dick, Amy Ziering and Amy Herdy, goes behind the years of sensational headlines to reveal the private story of one Hollywood's most notorious and public scandals: the accusation of sexual abuse against Woody Allen involving Dylan, his then 7-year-old daughter with Mia Farrow; their subsequent custody trial, the revelation of Allen’s relationship with Farrow’s daughter, Soon-Yi; and the controversial aftermath in the years that followed.
Along with new investigative work — pieced together via intimate home movie footage, court documents, police evidence, revelatory videotape and never-before-heard audio tapes — the series includes exclusive interviews on the subject with Mia Farrow, Dylan Farrow, Ronan Farrow, family friend Carly Simon, prosecutor Frank Maco, relatives, investigators and experts. Allen v. Farrow also examines the effects of trauma on a family, and features prominent cultural voices exploring Allen's body of work in a broader context and reflecting on how public revelations about the personal lives of artists can lead to re-evaluations of their work. This is going to be a very interesting documentary because for true crime buffs like myself when you look into the case it's fairly clear Woody didn't molest his daughter. However HBO is going all in on the Mia Farrow's side, I think the most telling part of the documentary is how we're only hearing from the white children. |
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I just saw a notice of this today and wondered a little about it. Will be curious to hear someone's initial impressions upon viewing some of it.
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Next time I subscribe to HBO, it’s on my watch list.
Sad thing to me is how much of her life Dylan Farrow has made this. Encouraged by her mother & brother. I don’t believe for one minute Allen molested her. |
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Originally Posted by Siddon (Post 2180668)
This is going to be a very interesting documentary because for true crime buffs like myself when you look into the case it's fairly clear Woody didn't molest his daughter. However HBO is going all in on the Mia Farrow's side, I think the most telling part of the documentary is how we're only hearing from the white children.
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⬆️ Huge fan of HBO, but I won’t change my mind.
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The first episode was as even as they could make it. They had excerpis from Woody's 2020 audiobook and "testimony" from Woody's therapist saying there was no molestation. But that was really only a small part of the hour. It was mostly home movies edited together ro make things look "suspicious", combined with mostly current interviews with Dylan, Mia and her friends talking about Woody's inappropriate behavior and how Dylan always wanted to get away from him after a certain age. That and HBO Documentaries constant use of ominous music playing which sounds alike in all their "Social Problem" docs. It even has a closing page where you can confidentially report child abuse. It's well-made, highly-manipulative and worth-watching so far.
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Originally Posted by mark f (Post 2180813)
The first episode was as even as they could make it. They had excerpis from Woody's 2020 audiobook and "testimony" from Woody's therapist saying there was no molestation. But that was really only a small part of the hour. It was mostly home movies edited together ro make things look "suspicious", combined with mostly current interviews with Dylan, Mia and her friends talking about Woody's inappropriate behavior and how Dylan always wanted to get away from him after a certain age. That and HBO Documentaries constant use of ominous music playing which sounds alike in all their "Social Problem" docs. It even has a closing page where you can confidentially report child abuse. It's well-made, highly-manipulative and worth-watching so far.
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Originally Posted by Siddon (Post 2180668)
I think the most telling part of the documentary is how we're only hearing from the white children.
I don't have HBO, so it might be awhile before I see it. One of the most baffling scandals I can imagine. I honestly don't know what's really going on in this family. About the only thing I'm certain of is that Ronan is a Sinatra. |
Originally Posted by Jinnistan (Post 2180828)
About the only thing I'm certain of is that Ronan is a Sinatra.
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I won't waste my time with this to be honest. I feel that they are just guilt-tripping most of the entertainment industry to back them or try and start a cancel culture crusade against the Hollywood elite who are so image-conscious these days. I think its just awkward now, having to watch these two tired camps throw **** at each other, with Hollywood caught in the middle trying to be dignified at best, and at worst down right cringey.
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I had episode 1 on in the background last night while I was putzing on the computer. It definitely felt manipulative. I go into this without any real opinions about whether Woody is guilty, so I was hoping this was more like a real documentary than it is. The interviews with both Dylan and Mia just felt like stories they've both told so often for so many years that they feel rehearsed now.
Don't get me wrong: I've had a few life events in my distant past that I can now retell with some polish and sheen to them. And I definitely know that, if you go through a psychologically difficult experience, you tend to mull it over and rethink/overthink it for many years. Even to the point where you've constructed an entire way to deal and live with it. But in the process, you MUST fight to not overinflate the actual circumstances, and also to not allow overly supportive friends to rally alongside you to let you exaggerate the events and the aftermath. Friends will want to be angry on your behalf, and then the whole thing escalates. Add on two very famous people and the whole thing gets infinitely worse. So, it's tough to tell how much of their stories are true, or how much of it they have slowly exaggerated over decades to the point where they now believe the updated version. Despite being a woman, I am not an "always believe the woman's story" type. Women can lie and exaggerate just as men can, of course. Nothing in our genes makes us any more trustworthy. So, I don't go into this immediately believing either side. So far, despite the first episode being almost exclusively Mia/Dylan-oriented, I'm not convinced. |
Will it be refereed by Soon-Yi?
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Originally Posted by Austruck (Post 2182681)
I am not an "always believe the woman's story" type. Women can lie and exaggerate just as men can, of course. Nothing in our genes makes us any more trustworthy. So, I don't go into this immediately believing either side.
I’m not on his side per se, but I believe Woody. I can, however, see where Mia Farrow might be coming from. A place of extreme hurt & humiliation even though it was a million years ago. ”Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned” and all that. Why Dylan persists with this, I have no idea. She always looks so sad - it’s a shame her entire life has been consumed by this. |
Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2182913)
I agree.
I’m not on his side per se, but I believe Woody. I can, however, see where Mia Farrow might be coming from. A place of extreme hurt & humiliation even though it was a million years ago. ”Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned” and all that. Why Dylan persists with this, I have no idea. She always looks so sad - it’s a shame her entire life has been consumed by this. This is also how I feel about politics. :) If "my guy" doesn't win, I am sad but I move on. There's a life to live. And if they're NOT telling the truth, egad--then Dylan is apparently confusing this with her possible 15 minutes of fame. Would've been better to simply DO something with her own life and not base it on telling horrid lies about someone else. Well, okay, I guess I've said all of this two or three times now. :D I'm curious to see where the other three episodes go. |
Originally Posted by Austruck (Post 2183546)
I had a few very bad life experiences that traumatized me at the time (I'd say clinical depression, anxiety attacks, thoughts of suicide, etc.), but at some point I had to make the decision about whether these incidents were going to ruin my life or just make up part of who I had become.
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Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2183574)
Yeah, been there, done that. Kudos to you if you accomplished this without therapy. You sound like a very strong woman.
Hoping your "been there" is now in the distant past for you as well. I'm hoping this show talks to others besides just Dylan and Mia... |
Originally Posted by Austruck (Post 2183758)
I didn't used to be. :) No therapy. But I DID have an awesome support system of people who were there for me in all ways I needed them to be.
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Okay, I've finished the four episodes of this entire documentary. Where did I end up?
I think Woody Allen is guilty. I listened mostly to the evidences from parties other than those directly involved, which then led me to listen to Dylan's story more closely. I hate to say it, but I side with Mia and Dylan in terms of what actually happened. It was a well-done documentary, I thought, although I would have liked to hear directly from Woody, Moses, and/or Soon-Yi. Of course that wasn't going to happen, whether he was guilty or not. I zeroed in on the unchanging story of Dylan (who, I learned, has not geared her whole life around telling this story, but rather has come back to it somewhat recently), the reasons why Allen was never formally prosecuted, and the many statements from people other than family members. Ronan Farrow was interesting to listen to, in particular. And I think Mia's motherhood credentials are no longer in question for me. I found it interesting, for example, that more than once Allen complains in public statements that Mia is engaging in nothing more than a smear campaign--and then immediately engages in his own smear campaign about her sanity, her motherhood, and her personality. Things like that started to add up for me as I continued to watch. I'm surprised I came down on this side of this issue, having been a HUGE Woody Allen fan for most of my adult life. And I tried very hard not to be swayed by anyone's tears (they should have cut the bits out where Dylan was shaking, I think) or by anything other than fairly well established facts. And this is where I've landed. So be it. I move on to binge-watch other stuff. Maybe it's back to another rewatch of Breaking Bad... :D :D |
Moses Farrow's account (there was no train in the crawlspace; Woody was never out of his sight on the day; Mia had been grooming the family to see Woody as a child molester for weeks prior to the incident) is the most compelling evidence to make me question Woody's guilt. And the fact that he was excluded from the doc is the biggest red flag to make me question the integrity of the project.
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