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Mr_TagoMago 08-06-17 07:11 PM

Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
Also what's up quick editing as well? This stuff kills movies for me as if they think spending to much still time the audience will grow bored (for me its the opposite). Its especially bad during action scenes as it just kills the impact. Hell i didnt even like shaky cam in Saving Private Ryan.

Obviously it can be used effectively but mostly i dont think it is. It doesnt tend to make me sick just harder for me to get immersed in what im seeing usually.

cat_sidhe 08-06-17 07:13 PM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
My guess would be to add realism or make the audience a bit physically uncomfortable?

Dani8 08-06-17 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1749669)
. It doesnt tend to make me sick
It does actually make me sick. I had to walk out of Irreversible - both the shaky cam and the sound had me gagging.

mark f 08-06-17 07:22 PM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
Shaky cam is used so much because it's cheap and allows anyone to make a movie. Many movies use the "found-footage" or "I'm making a doc" scenario.

Mr_TagoMago 08-06-17 07:23 PM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1749675)
My guess would be to add realism or make the audience a bit physically uncomfortable?
If they wanna make the audience feel physically uncomfortable the right way they should take notes from Angst (1983).

d_chatterley 08-06-17 07:26 PM

If you are talking about "home VHS camera shaky effect" rather than "movie camera shaky effect", I feel The Blair Witch Project (1999) might be at least partially responsible for some of it. It was a big success with very original shaky camera editing. Unfortunately everyone and their mother started doing it hoping they would cash in. Most quickly realized it takes a bit more than that. You also have to have the right amount of it otherwise it becomes a gimmick and a distraction and it will send people running, sometimes literally.

cat_sidhe 08-06-17 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1749685)
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1749675)
My guess would be to add realism or make the audience a bit physically uncomfortable?
If they wanna make the audience feel physically uncomfortable the right way they should take notes from Angst (1983).
I haven't seen that. Adding it to my list right away. I like films that make me uncomfortable in some way.

Mr_TagoMago 08-06-17 07:28 PM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
Originally Posted by Dani8 (Post 1749678)
Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1749669)
. It doesnt tend to make me sick
It does actually make me sick. I had to walk out of Irreversible - both the shaky cam and the sound had me gagging.
I didnt see it in theater but i found it more mesmerizing at least until the novelty wore off and I got bored. Reminds me of The Cremator though which I recall making me very uneasy.

Dani8 08-06-17 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1749691)
I didnt see it in theater but i found it more mesmerizing at least until the novelty wore off and I got bored. Reminds me of The Cremator though which I recall making me very uneasy.
I like being pushed off the lounge with uncomfortable stuff but vomiting during my screen entertainment is not enjoyable. I gave it a second attempt but only ever got as far as just after the fire hydrant scene. The 2 of them screaming in the car just sent me over the edge.

Mr_TagoMago 08-06-17 07:33 PM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1749690)
Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1749685)
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1749675)
My guess would be to add realism or make the audience a bit physically uncomfortable?
If they wanna make the audience feel physically uncomfortable the right way they should take notes from Angst (1983).
I haven't seen that. Adding it to my list right away. I like films that make me uncomfortable in some way.
Its probably the most uunnerving and visceral movie ive ever seen. Then again I need to rewatch The Cremator again as i remember that also making me very uncomfortable. Both are essentially fever dreams with you following and hearing the thoughts of madmen.

Joel 08-06-17 07:33 PM

What's worse is when a movie has shakly cam footage for a walking tracking shot and then has a static tripod loked shot for the very next scene. Those are some ugly mismatched socks, mister!

andehward 11-09-17 09:44 AM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
Gotta give it that realism look to just the awful Jason Bourne movies, feel like you're on a rollercoaster on that film and then riding a snail in the dialogue of characters just stood there

ynwtf 11-09-17 09:52 AM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
The second Bourne flicked annoyed me so much. Tracking, from a jeep, a character bouncing around another jeep two streets over. And zoom in to a terribly close close-up in which only head and shoulders fit the frame. All while you both jump the **** around for 5 minutes. Then! Zoom in even more to frame just the eyes from time to time. Then lay Moby over as soundtrack for contrast.

I can't watch but the first Bourne movie because of it.

ynwtf 11-09-17 09:52 AM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
I'm sure my details are off. I don't care. It wasn't worth remembering.

resopamenic 11-09-17 10:02 AM

I think nothing worse than the chaser and yellow sea, i still prefer bourne

Hey Fredrick 11-11-17 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1819925)
The second Bourne flicked annoyed me so much. Tracking, from a jeep, a character bouncing around another jeep two streets over. And zoom in to a terribly close close-up in which only head and shoulders fit the frame. All while you both jump the **** around for 5 minutes. Then! Zoom in even more to frame just the eyes from time to time. Then lay Moby over as soundtrack for contrast.

I can't watch but the first Bourne movie because of it.
Same here. The first fight in the second movie, couldn't tell what the hell was going on so I turned it off and haven't attempted another Bourne movie since. Bummer, because the first film was very good.

For me, fight/action scenes are like watching a good dance number. I want to see what the choreographer came up with and not the editor. Daredevil (tv) and The Raid: Redemption are examples of getting it right. Would Singing in the Rain be a better film had they used a shaky cam? Probably not.

Sometimes it works for me, but not often. It was fine for [REC] and I didn't even mind it in Irreversible since it was designed to disorient you and make you sick (it was successful) but, in general, it's over used and I wish it would go away.

rambond 11-11-17 12:10 PM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
the worst shaky cam used in a movie is : quantum of solace by marc forster, anything else is ok

ironpony 11-11-17 09:40 PM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
That's exactly what I was thinking. Not one person I asked liked shaky cam, so why use it?

Dani8 11-11-17 10:09 PM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
I can't tolerate it. Gives me really bad vertigo. A bit here and ther for mood is OK, same with jump scares. A bit more than a little bit is way too much.

ironpony 11-11-17 10:54 PM

Re: Why is shaky cam used so much when nobody likes it?
 
Some people say shaky cam enhances the movies, but I dunno... For example in United 93 I didn't like the shaky cam, but people were telling me if it was filmed with big budget Hollywood style camera movements, that it would come off as exploitative. But doesn't the shaky cam come off as exploitative too for that kind of movie, since it's kind of pretentious though?


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