Why are modern movies still good but modern pop music not?
Personal opinion is that modern movies and TV are still of high quality (Breaking Bad for example), but that modern pop music has become very bland and commerical compared to how it was pre-90s.
Any idea why this is? Think it's because it still requires less effort to make a music video in your basement and get Youtube hits from it than to become an actor or director? |
Re: Why are modern movies still good but modern pop music not?
I'm too bored with the 'modern music sucks' stuff once again.
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Re: Why are modern movies still good but modern pop music not?
well all I can say .. is that after the 90's movement in music and alternative rock faded out... My music taste moved to Europe... and so did my film taste....
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Originally Posted by Mr Minio (Post 1362762)
I'm too bored with the 'modern music sucks' stuff once again.
Fact of the matter is according to a lot of seasoned musicians (Slash, Rob Zombie, Gene Simmons etc) it's harder for a musician to make it big based on talent alone these days than it was in the past. Basically record labels are more likely to favor individuals or groups with strong Youtube or Twitter followings, since this lessens the risk on the part of the record label. In the past this wasn't a venue. This means there's less incentive for a band or individual to actually learn an instrument (unless they really are just in it 100% for the art). In the same vein that it's cheaper to use CGI than "real special effects". |
Re: Why are modern movies still good but modern pop music not?
needs more nostalgia
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Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362765)
It's not a cliche statement.
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362765)
it's harder for a musician to make it big based on talent alone these days than it was in the past
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362765)
This means there's less incentive for a band or individual to actually learn an instrument (unless they really are just in it 100% for the art)
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362765)
In the same vein that it's cheaper to use CGI than "real special effects"
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Originally Posted by Mr Minio (Post 1362778)
It is. Either way, a false one.
What does it have to do with the alleged absence of good music today?
There's still a great number of bands and talented instrumentalists. Still doesn't have anything to do with thread's title. It's obviously not having a significant impact of the current state of the industry.
But there are still films without CGI and they are great, old or new. It seems to me you're only talking about the mainstream.
Why are modern movies still good but modern pop music not?
And I mean, like, the most mainstream stuff you can think of. There's so many good recordings being released every year, it's unbelievable.
Do you really think the Beatles for example would have recorded all that they did if they had never had an opportunity to make it big, and had been relegated to playing at nightclubs? |
Re: Why are modern movies still good but modern pop music not?
In the good old days, they had PROPER instruments. Damn those Swedish House Mafia charlatans!!
I mean, come on, this is a little too close to having to go and poo in a hole in your back gardens because in your day, there was no inside toilets. There have always been elements of pop music that are, well, a bit bubblegum. That's not particular to this generation. Please don't let us get into an altercation over the merits and worth of streaming music instead of buying it in a shop. If Taylor Beyonce/Prince/ACDC et al wasn't making money out of it, then they wouldn't do it. Go and have a look at the 'artists' that were at the launch of Tidal and tell me that all of those creative types are putting their weight behind it for the love of the music or the buckets of cash they could make if they had better overall control over a release media they already know works. The argument that musicians (however they choose to make it) have less avenues to express their creativity is simply not true, frankly. I have been in and out of several generations of the music industry and purely on merit, this period is more ripe for musical discovery, due to the many varied formats of receiving it. I know for a fact that I have discovered at least a dozen artists in the past month that I would never have come across using conventional methods on the good old days and they benefit from that too. |
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362803)
Since it's essentially the same as saying "cows go moo" and attempting to look profound.
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362803)
It's not at all, you're simply talking about artists which 90% of people haven't heard of... Better question is what does underground music have to do with the music industry as a whole?
Originally Posted by Mr Minio (Post 1362778)
It seems to me you're only talking about the mainstream. And I mean, like, the most mainstream stuff you can think of. There's so many good recordings being released every year, it's unbelievable.
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362803)
The fact that "good artists" are being relegated to the underground will have an effect on the overall scope of music, since like it or not, even talented artists will have less practical incentive and opportunity to explore their full potential if they aren't rewarded for it.
Do you really think the Beatles for example would have recorded all that they did if they had never had an opportunity to make it big, and had been relegated to playing at nightclubs? Top 40 has gone downhill, because they are motivated by shallow greed and popularity, and mass media/marketing/consumerism doesn't care about "quality," only what sells. But there is so much more to "mainstream" music than that, and underground music is thriving thanks to the internet. You know 90'sAce, it's really nothing new. You still have no idea what you're talking about. |
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362803)
You're talking about artists which 90% of people haven't heard of - which is a no-brainer and not even worth mentioning, since it's essentially the same as saying "cows go moo" and attempting to look profound.
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362803)
Better question is what does underground music have to do with the music industry as a whole?
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362803)
It's obviously not having a significant impact of the current state of the industry.
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362803)
Wow you can read a title! Congrats.
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362803)
Why are modern movies still good but modern pop music not?
Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362803)
Do you really think the Beatles for example would have recorded all that they did if they had never had an opportunity to make it big, and had been relegated to playing at nightclubs?
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Re: Why are modern movies still good but modern pop music not?
If you think modern music is bad, that's because you're OLD.
Every old person ever has complained about new fangled music their kids are listening to. Look at history, Learn from it. Introspect. But it is interesting how this "old people" effect doesn't seem to apply to films. Perhaps thats because we are only just now in the age of convincing CGI and have the capability to produce all these special effects. |
Originally Posted by foster (Post 1362839)
If you think modern music is bad, that's because you're OLD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k |
Originally Posted by Zotis (Post 1362835)
You straw manned Mr Minio, and then psychologically projected the very thing that you were doing. :rotfl:
Music that 90% of people haven't heard of is still mainstream, lol. 10% of 7 billion is 700 million, that's a lot.
You just proved Mr Minio's point by talking about The Beatles. And you clearly do not know one single thing about underground music.
For one thing underground music has more of an effect on the overall scope of music than mainstream music, because mainstream music is just superficial rip offs of underground music,
like Screamo, Emo, and Metal. You have these whiny kid's with black blow dried hair screaming into a mic thinking they're all three genres at the same time when they're really just Metalcore.
Top 40 has gone downhill, because they are motivated by shallow greed and popularity, and mass media/marketing/consumerism doesn't care about "quality," only what sells. But there is so much more to "mainstream" music than that, and underground music is thriving thanks to the internet.
You know 90'sAce, it's really nothing new. You still have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: Why are modern movies still good but modern pop music not?
I think by pop music he just means top 40, not the actual genre of Pop.
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Originally Posted by foster (Post 1362839)
Look at history, Learn from it. Introspect.
Originally Posted by mark f (Post 1362844)
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Originally Posted by foster (Post 1362839)
If you think modern music is bad, that's because you're OLD.
But your idea of "good" is Lady Gaga right? So... yeah.
Every old person ever has complained about new fangled music their kids are listening to.
What's your opinion on the effect of industrialization on the industry - and how the industrial boom of the post WWII baby boomer era has affected capitalism and consumerism as a whole.
Look at history, Learn from it. Introspect.
I do more introspection in 10 minutes than you will if you live 10 lifetimes - and that's no exaggeration.
But it is interesting how this "old people" effect doesn't seem to apply to films. Perhaps thats because we are only just now in the age of convincing CGI and have the capability to produce all these special effects.
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Why are modern movies still good but modern pop music not?
I think this is an entirely personal view. It can't be objectively measured. On the other hand there is Sturgeon's law that states that 90% of everything is crud. I'm sure there was plenty of crappy music way back when, it's just that over time we have forgotten about it. |
Originally Posted by Mr Minio (Post 1362868)
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Originally Posted by 90sAce (Post 1362866)
9 years younger than you.
But your idea of "good" is Lady Gaga right? So... yeah. |
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