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ironpony 11-27-19 12:00 PM

Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
It just seems odd to me how a lot of movies which you think could go to theaters are going to Netflix. The Irishman for example. A Martin Scorsese movie starring Robert De Niro, and Al Pacino, as well as these other stars? Seems like theatrical distributors would want that one. But no, straight to Netflix.

El Camino... Breaking Bad is probable the most popular TV show in the history of telivision or at least top 3 I would say. Even The Untouchables and The Fugitive got movies based off their shows that hit theaters instead of going straight to video. But the Breaking Bad movie, only six years later from one of the most popular shows ever, if not the most popular, does not get a theatrical release, and goes straight to Netflix.

Or The Night Comes For Us. The movie has the same actors in from the Raid movies and looks just as high budget as those ones. The Raid movies went to theaters all over the world, but for some reason this one goes to Netflix. Why?

Or there are other movies with big stars in like Bright or Bird Box, and yet Netflix is preferred over theatrical distribution interest.

Is Netflix better than theaters? But if that is the case, then why doesn't every movie go there, and theaters just shot down then?

Yoda 11-27-19 12:03 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netlfix instead of theaters?
 
Obviously it's because they're paying them a lot of money/providing a larger budget for something that otherwise would not get made (or might not get made), or wouldn't get made for as much. I imagine they're providing them with more creative freedom, too, which has been a hallmark of Netflix original TV shows.

So, if you're Scorese, maybe you can make The Irishman elsewhere, but the studio wants more say in what the final product looks like, or will only agree to interfere less for a lower budget. But Netflix gives him a bigger budget with more creative control.

It's always some mix of those things.

ironpony 11-27-19 12:12 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netlfix instead of theaters?
 
Oh okay, but isn't a little interference worth the theatrical release? What other interference would they impose besides the look of the movie and less budget?

Holden Pike 11-27-19 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2049634)
Oh okay, but isn't a little interference worth the theatrical release? What other interference would they impose besides the look of the movie and less budget?
In the case of The Irishman specifically, runtime. Scorsese's film is nearly three and a half hours long. Netflix has zero problem with that. One of the more traditional studios would surely have wanted him to cut it down. By a lot.

I saw The Irishman in the theater last week. It is glorious and looked amazing on the big screen. But I recognize there are not millions of people who will sit through a movie that long.

Ami-Scythe 11-27-19 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2049634)
Oh okay, but isn't a little interference worth the theatrical release? What other interference would they impose besides the look of the movie and less budget?
Views. Disney basically owns every movie theater so your film is more likely to be seen on Netflix than it is in theaters. With The Fugitive, original stuff had a bigger chance at being seen back then. Martin had just gone done talking mess on Marvel. And be honest with yourself, who would see Bright or Bird Box in theaters? No one would've even heard of it if it weren't for Netflix. Or Blue Ruin? Lord knows, that masterpiece would've been hidden from the masses.

Yoda 11-27-19 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2049634)
Oh okay, but isn't a little interference worth the theatrical release?
Maybe. But who said it'd only be a little?

Some directors care a lot about a traditional theatrical release. Some just care about making the movie they want without compromises. And pretty much everyone has some threshold where one is "worth" the other.

But really, people just have different priorities. That's the answer to 90% of these kinds of questions.

Stirchley 11-27-19 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2049632)
But if that is the case, then why doesn't every movie go there, and theaters just shot down then?
Curiously, Netflix has just saved a major movie theater in Manhattan, the last single-screen movie theater. The Paris theater slated to be shut down forever, but rescued by Netflix & they are airing Marriage Story there right now. Been to the Paris a million times & glad it was saved.

GulfportDoc 11-27-19 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2049632)
It just seems odd to me how a lot of movies which you think could go to theaters are going to Netflix. The Irishman for example. A Martin Scorsese movie starring Robert De Niro, and Al Pacino, as well as these other stars? Seems like theatrical distributors would want that one. But no, straight to Netflix.
...
I haven't read the real reason. Could be the length of the picture. But with all the hype and grease it's getting, they may have passed up $50-100 million in theatrical returns. I doubt that Netflix guaranteed them that kind of profit.

ynwtf 11-27-19 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2049634)
Oh okay, but isn't a little interference worth the theatrical release? What other interference would they impose besides the look of the movie and less budget?
I have friends that won't sit in a theater for the run time of some movies. Audiences can start and stop a Netflix stream at will. Therefore, everyone will prefer to watch some things from the comfort of their own couch with the pause button at the ready.

MoreOrLess 11-28-19 02:45 AM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netlfix instead of theaters?
 
I would say two reasons....

1,Streaming platforms depend on having the odd release that draws people in so something like a major Marty film for example can be worth more to them than it can to studios.

2.Films that have been made but then are looking for distribution often seem to end up on streaming as a last resort if they don't go down well on the festival circuit.

Of course a lot of the time your not just talking about cinema vs streaming your talking about DVD/BR vs streaming. When it comes to arthouse releases that's arguably the bigger divide.

average joe 11-28-19 07:10 AM

Many older people (at least in my area) are not going to the theaters. They feel it as too expensive. And it's not as convenient as watching at home.

Now, here's my controversial opinion: the audience for theaters (in America at least) will become increasingly younger, with more films aimed at them, while films geared toward older viewers will be available online.

In my more rural area, movies with more complex themes, set in historical periods and starring older actors (To us De Niro and Pacino are two outstanding actors. To most teens, they are two old guys.) are competing for screen time with PG-13 action films, animated features and even R-rated horrors that have a better track record of filling seats.

And theater owners aren't fond of thee-hour films because they can not get as many screenings in and thus, sell fewer tickets.

Kaplan 11-28-19 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2049632)
It just seems odd to me how a lot of movies which you think could go to theaters are going to Netflix. The Irishman for example. A Martin Scorsese movie starring Robert De Niro, and Al Pacino, as well as these other stars? Seems like theatrical distributors would want that one. But no, straight to Netflix.

El Camino... Breaking Bad is probable the most popular TV show in the history of telivision or at least top 3 I would say. Even The Untouchables and The Fugitive got movies based off their shows that hit theaters instead of going straight to video. But the Breaking Bad movie, only six years later from one of the most popular shows ever, if not the most popular, does not get a theatrical release, and goes straight to Netflix.

Or The Night Comes For Us. The movie has the same actors in from the Raid movies and looks just as high budget as those ones. The Raid movies went to theaters all over the world, but for some reason this one goes to Netflix. Why?

Or there are other movies with big stars in like Bright or Bird Box, and yet Netflix is preferred over theatrical distribution interest.

Is Netflix better than theaters? But if that is the case, then why doesn't every movie go there, and theaters just shot down then?
El Camino is only for fans of Breaking Bad. It plays like an extended extra episode, which it basically is.

The Irishman is very long. However it is getting a bit of a theatrical run, so it seems like a win-win for Scorsese.


I have The Night Comes For Us in my queue but I haven't watched it yet. But I can't imagine how an Indonesian filmmaker wouldn't jump at the chance to make a movie for Netflix. While The Raid was hugely successful, The Raid 2 was less so, and there's no reason to think every movie they make was going to equal the success of The Raid, or even make it onto American big screens at all.

ironpony 11-28-19 12:31 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netlfix instead of theaters?
 
Oh okay, I didn't know that Netflix gave more creative freedom. In fact a lot of the Netflix original movies I see are very restricted in their stories, so I thought that Netflix perhaps had more restrictions therefore, unless it's just the filmmakers restricting themselves of course.

urkillinmesmalls 11-28-19 12:33 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netlfix instead of theaters?
 
Because Bird Box's marketing depended on lying about how many people watched it and having people think "eh, might as well if I can watch it right here in my living room."

Yoda 11-28-19 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2049823)
Oh okay, I didn't know that Netflix gave more creative freedom. In fact a lot of the Netflix original movies I see are very restricted in their stories, so I thought that Netflix perhaps had more restrictions therefore, unless it's just the filmmakers restricting themselves of course.
I think that's because the overwhelming majority of Netflix original movies are made by relative unknowns just trying to get something out there. Netflix offering more creative freedom is an "all else being equal" kind of thing. The Netflix films with predictable stories are often being made by people who wouldn't get to make anything with a normal theatrical release, and if they did, would be as restricted or more by a studio. That's the comparison you want to be looking at.

When they're trying to land an award-contender like The Irishman by a talent and name like Scorsese, however, that's another matter. Ditto those big contracts they've handed out to various TV showrunners.

ironpony 11-28-19 04:05 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netlfix instead of theaters?
 
Oh okay. Do you think that relatively unknown filmmakers would be making better films, if they went to the studios, cause then the studios would say "well these filmmaking decisions may be good enough for Netflix standard, but you want are backing, we are going to impose these higher standard conditions", which might make for a more theatrical worthy movie?

Mesmerized 11-28-19 04:43 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netlfix instead of theaters?
 
More and more people are learning how to make their own popcorn.

gandalf26 11-28-19 06:03 PM

It's the beginning of the end of movie theatres.

For me personally there's probably 1 film per year I'm going out to see, the rest I can wait a few months and I'm more than happy to keep giving Netflix a trivial amount of money per month if I can get quality like The Irishman, Stranger Things, The Crown ( and I don't have to wait a week between episodes) and many other things.

Netflix will get around £100 from me this year, the movie theatre has so far received £0, so you can see which one is going to be the main producer of movies soon, or even better, TV shows with movie production quality that we're already seeing.

Stirchley 11-29-19 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 2049739)
I have friends that won't sit in a theater for the run time of some movies. Audiences can start and stop a Netflix stream at will. Therefore, everyone will prefer to watch some things from the comfort of their own couch with the pause button at the ready.
That’s me. I will not go to a movie theater. Mostly because the other patrons disturb me with their chatting, etc.

Main reason is I must have rewind & pause buttons.

Yoda 11-29-19 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2049968)
That’s me. I will not go to a movie theater. Mostly because the other patrons disturb me with their chatting, etc.
Same. I agree with Marty this stuff is best on the big screen, but I'm not sure I agree that it can't really be properly enjoyed any other way, and I certainly think being able to focus on it at home, compared to a theater with people talking, is still better, if not the ideal circumstance. Sadly the ideal circumstance doesn't usually exist for me, unless/until one of those Alamo Drafthouse-type places comes to Pittsburgh, in which case I'll gladly start going to the theaters more, and pay a premium if necessary.

Siddon 11-29-19 04:58 PM

I believe the film (The Irishman) was actually financed by Netflix

Yoda 11-29-19 05:48 PM

Yeah, some are purchased after production, some are financed from the start. The Irishman was greenlit by Netflix rather than sold to it.

ironpony 11-29-19 09:53 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Well it seems to me that the standard of Netflix is usually low. I don't think Bright, Bird Bod, or El Camino would have went to theaters, if they were made by a theatrical company, unless the producers demanded changes in the script, but isn't producers wanting changes for the director a good thing, if it makes the movie of a higher quality?

Yoda 11-29-19 09:56 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Whether it does or not, filmmakers don't like it much, the same way authors don't always like editors. If they had to be told to do something it's not likely it's something they'll agree with it.

Sometimes producers insist on something that makes the film worse because their priority is distinct from the filmmakers. Sometimes this also makes the film better. It's hard to know which happens how often because we don't usually get a counterfactual to compare to. And even when we do, people don't always agree if the director's intended version was better or worse.

Or, as put earlier:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2049641)
But really, people just have different priorities. That's the answer to 90% of these kinds of questions.

ScarletLion 11-30-19 05:44 AM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Nobody else would finance, make, and distribute The Irishman. Think on that - one of the greatest directors of all time, reuniting some of the greatest actors of all time, could not get a single studio to make his next big epic.

But hey at least we'll have 'Waspman 7' next year, or whatever dire superhero is next.

Yoda 11-30-19 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by ScarletLion (Post 2050101)
Nobody else would finance, make, and distribute The Irishman. Think on that - one of the greatest directors of all time, reuniting some of the greatest actors of all time, could not get a single studio to make his next big epic.

But hey at least we'll have 'Waspman 7' next year, or whatever dire superhero is next.
Heh.

Technically, I think he probably could have gotten it made, he probably just couldn't have gotten it made for $130 million (!), kept it 3 and a half hours (!!), and still been allowed to do whatever he wanted with it. The criteria he ended up getting is, indeed, pretty risky, and probably only made sense for a place like Netflix that was happy to pay a premium for the cachet and PR splash that came with it.

mattiasflgrtll6 11-30-19 11:55 AM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2050063)
Bird Bod
Making this my signature.

Yoda 11-30-19 12:03 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Workin' out, tryin' to get that Bird Bod. You know, lose so much weight it's as if your bones were hollow.

ironpony 11-30-19 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by ScarletLion (Post 2050101)
Nobody else would finance, make, and distribute The Irishman. Think on that - one of the greatest directors of all time, reuniting some of the greatest actors of all time, could not get a single studio to make his next big epic.

But hey at least we'll have 'Waspman 7' next year, or whatever dire superhero is next.
Is that really true though? I find it hard to believe since it's Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro.

Yoda 11-30-19 03:20 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
It's probably true for the version we got, at the budget we got, but I don't think there's any serious doubt he couldn't get some version of it made. Maybe just for, like, $90 million, with a sub-three-hour run time, or something, since the budget he did get is kinda nuts for this type of film, and the run time is kinda daunting even if you're a huge fan.

ironpony 11-30-19 03:30 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Oh okay, I thought he could still get it made with a lower runtime, but then release a longer director's cut later, like a lot of directors do, unless that wouldn't have been an option?

Yoda 11-30-19 03:31 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
I mean, it's a counterfactual, there's no way to know the specifics. They would have varied based on a multitude of factors. That said, seems plausible Scorsese would have cared a lot about the "official" release of the film even if he was allowed to release another cut, given the major emphasis he put on the theatrical release, specifically, for the film he did end up making.

ScarletLion 12-01-19 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2050173)
It's probably true for the version we got, at the budget we got, but I don't think there's any serious doubt he couldn't get some version of it made. Maybe just for, like, $90 million, with a sub-three-hour run time, or something, since the budget he did get is kinda nuts for this type of film, and the run time is kinda daunting even if you're a huge fan.
The reason he hasn't got it made for the last 12 years is that he wanted THIS version. I don't think it would ever have been made if it wasn't for Netlix. Genuinely.

Yoda 12-01-19 04:19 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Yeah, totally agree.

SFMZone 12-05-19 04:09 AM

Well, since I rarely go to the theater anymore and have Netflix, my selfish side welcomes this trend. I recently went to the theater with my daughter to see Joker. It was the first and only time I had been to a theater this year.

Theater attendance has just evolved to a bad experience for me personally. Many in the crowd ignore the screen message to turn off their smartphones and once the theater goes dark, out comes a flurry of bright light smartphones in front of you. It's like trying to watch a movie with a swarm of fireflies buzzing in front of you.

Then there's the weirdos. You just don't know what kind of wackadoo is sitting near you. And that was the case with watching Joker. Some weirdo, alone, just two seats from me would practically jump out of his seat laughing obnoxiously loud....at scenes that are not even intended to be funny. No one else was laughing. It was really distracting and pretty much ruined the movie experience.

I have my 75 inch Sony android TV, good sound system, Netflix, HBO Now, and Disney Plus. I'm guessing it will be at least another year before I'm inside a theater again.

Yoda 12-05-19 08:52 AM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Yep, co-sign all that. I love the theater experience when people aren't ruining it...but they so often do.

Wyldesyde19 12-05-19 02:56 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Don’t know if it was mentioned (too much to read and not much time) but many of these films are released in theatres in a limited release before going to Netflix.
The Irishman for example.
This is done so the film is eligible for awards.

Wyldesyde19 12-05-19 03:10 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
(I have a few more minutes while my machine at work is being worked on)

Adding onto what I posted, one of the biggest issues I have noticed is the bloat of films released on a yearly basis. Add to the rise in cost of a movie ticket and people are opting to stay home more often then not, only venturing out for the blockbusters (Marvel, Star Wars) and maybe the occasional horror film and maybe an actual drama.
Netflix offers those people the option of staying home to watch the films don’t they otherwise wouldn’t see.

Wyldesyde19 12-05-19 03:12 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Originally Posted by Ami-Scythe (Post 2049638)
Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2049634)
Oh okay, but isn't a little interference worth the theatrical release? What other interference would they impose besides the look of the movie and less budget?
Views. Disney basically owns every movie theater so your film is more likely to be seen on Netflix than it is in theaters. With The Fugitive, original stuff had a bigger chance at being seen back then. Martin had just gone done talking mess on Marvel. And be honest with yourself, who would see Bright or Bird Box in theaters? No one would've even heard of it if it weren't for Netflix. Or Blue Ruin? Lord knows, that masterpiece would've been hidden from the masses.
I don’t know where you get that Disney basically own most theatres.
They don’t own Regal nor AMC theatre chains which are pretty big.

Ami-Scythe 12-05-19 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (Post 2051004)
I don’t know where you get that Disney basically own most theatres.
They don’t own Regal nor AMC theatre chains which are pretty big.
I meant in terms of when their movies come out they dominate at the box office

ironpony 12-05-19 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2050950)
Yep, co-sign all that. I love the theater experience when people aren't ruining it...but they so often do.
Theaters really should throw people out more often. How come it's gotten worse than it seems to have been before. Have theaters become too lenient on the issue?

Yoda 12-05-19 04:55 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Probably, but it can't really be on the theaters anyway. It's asking a lot for them to clamp down on it unless people are already keeping it rare enough to be manageable. If it's happening constantly it's just not going to be plausible for them to contain it. The change, in other words, is the audiences.

Best theory I've heard is that the last few generations have grown up with home video, and are used to watching movies however they like. Throw in the ubiquity of connectivity with phones and it takes a fairly conscientious person not to contribute to the problem.

Ami-Scythe 12-05-19 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2051012)
Theaters really should throw people out more often. How come it's gotten worse than it seems to have been before. Have theaters become too lenient on the issue?
I have never had a bad experience with people in theaters. Most of I've seen was a group of kids tampering with the cloth on the wall and they may have tried to break something else, but the movie wasn't on yet so

Wyldesyde19 12-05-19 05:04 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Originally Posted by Ami-Scythe (Post 2051010)
Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (Post 2051004)
I don’t know where you get that Disney basically own most theatres.
They don’t own Regal nor AMC theatre chains which are pretty big.
I meant in terms of when their movies come out they dominate at the box office
Oh! My bad, I took it too literally. I’m sorry

ironpony 12-05-19 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2051014)
Probably, but it can't really be on the theaters anyway. It's asking a lot for them to clamp down on it unless people are already keeping it rare enough to be manageable. If it's happening constantly it's just not going to be plausible for them to contain it. The change, in other words, is the audiences.

Best theory I've heard is that the last few generations have grown up with home video, and are used to watching movies however they like. Throw in the ubiquity of connectivity with phones and it takes a fairly conscientious person not to contribute to the problem.
Well it's just that places like bars and nightclubs have no problem throwing out anyone who is misbehaving at their own discretion, so could theaters learn to have that kind of confidence in doing so?

ynwtf 12-05-19 05:25 PM

Its not confidence in those cases. Night clubs and bars expect certain types. Even personslities that aren't normally aggressive can shift when alcohol is involved. They hire staff specifically to deal with such encounters.

A theater is catering to a more family-friendly audience and environment. Part-time high schoolers and night shift adults aren't there to intervene with altercations. So it's easier to just let things ride if it's just an annoyance. Or other people aren't willing to cause a scene in speaking out against disruptions. For whatever reasons.

Yoda 12-05-19 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2051019)
Well it's just that places like bars and nightclubs have no problem throwing out anyone who is misbehaving at their own discretion, so could theaters learn to have that kind of confidence in doing so?
It's not confidence, it's incentive and economics. Many nightclubs need security/bouncers anyway, in case people get unruly. They also specifically profit from people staying there and drinking longer, whereas movie theater profit is binary with the ticket price and is only threatened if someone demands a refund, which is presumably very rare.

The threshold for misbehavior is different, too. You have to do way less to qualify as rude in a movie theater than you do to qualify as rude or unruly in a bar. They're two completely different businesses, two completely different social contexts, and they have two completely different behavioral standards. A better question is why you would expect them to follow similar rules, given all those obvious differences.

Stirchley 12-06-19 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by SFMZone (Post 2050938)
Then there's the weirdos. You just don't know what kind of wackadoo is sitting near you. And that was the case with watching Joker. Some weirdo, alone, just two seats from me would practically jump out of his seat laughing obnoxiously loud....at scenes that are not even intended to be funny. No one else was laughing. It was really distracting and pretty much ruined the movie experience.

I have my 75 inch Sony android TV, good sound system, Netflix, HBO Now, and Disney Plus. I'm guessing it will be at least another year before I'm inside a theater again.
It’s even worse for a woman alone at a movie theater vis-à-vis weirdos. Particularly when I lived in NYC, there was always some sick bunny feeling himself up sitting next to me. These days I would have his ass thrown out of the theater, but back in the day I was shy about this.

Like you, I have a nice theater set-up in my master bedroom. So comfy &, apart from my cats, no one disturbs me.

SFMZone 12-06-19 03:13 PM

Agreed. And a cat is actually a great movie partner. They nestle by you for a nap, quiet and content.

Wyldesyde19 12-06-19 03:17 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
I miss going to the theatre. It’s an experience I have always enjoyed. From 2000-2005 I often went every week to see a new film between 3 different theatres.
When I lived outside of Lancaster 2006-2013, I went maybe once a month if I was lucky.*
In Pittsburgh between 2014-2019, it was even less.
Now in Maryland, it’s almost nonexistent. Going was something I always looked forward to, much like renting movies.
I can watch films at home, which is great for older films, but I wouldn’t ever trade the opportunity to see one on the big screen. Going to the theatre is like a timeline mapped out for my life.

*there is this great theatre located near Litiz, Pa, called Penn Cinema that showed classic films twice a week during the year that I often attended. They held quizzes (I won a few times, a coffee mug and a shirt were my prizes). I dragged my friend there to see films he wouldn’t have otherwise had seen such as Casablanca, The Exorcist, Rebecca, Shane and so on. Or I would just go alone.

SFMZone 12-06-19 03:49 PM

Nothing lasts forever. There were predictions of doom for theaters when television was introduced, but it survived. The same for the introduction of home video, many claiming it was the death of theaters, yet they still survived. It might be different this time with streaming combined with millennials, the theaters' majority customer, are declining in attendance significantly. Millennials have adapted their lifestyle to a 3 inch by 6 inch screen....or whatever size their smartphone is.

A lot of trends are dying that Gen X and Boomers hold dear. Classic cars - when's the last time you seen a millennial driving a classic car or muscle car? And music. I don't know a single millennial who's picked up a guitar, playing in garage bands, or learning drums, etc. I mean, there are exceptions to these dying trends that a handful of millennials have taken interest, but overall, I've seen very few and far between. Quite possible theater going will be one of the casualties of the Millennial era.

Joel 12-06-19 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by SFMZone (Post 2051201)
Nothing lasts forever. There were predictions of doom for theaters when television was introduced, but it survived. The same for the introduction of home video, many claiming it was the death of theaters, yet they still survived. It might be different this time with streaming combined with millennials, the theaters' majority customer, are declining in attendance significantly. Millennials have adapted their lifestyle to a 3 inch by 6 inch screen....or whatever size their smartphone is.

A lot of trends are dying that Gen X and Boomers hold dear. Classic cars - when's the last time you seen a millennial driving a classic car or muscle car? And music. I don't know a single millennial who's picked up a guitar, playing in garage bands, or learning drums, etc. I mean, there are exceptions to these dying trends that a handful of millennials have taken interest, but overall, I've seen very few and far between. Quite possible theater going will be one of the casualties of the Millennial era.
That's kind of freaky. The sad thing is that I mostly agree. There are creative younger wave ppl out there depending on where you live, but things do tend to migrate more towards an insulated, tech-heavy aesthetic like combining hippie mentality with all of the "social" technology that's available. TV commercials are out of control with this. It's on us. Cameras at every stoplight. Every store inside and out. Drive thrus. In everyones pocket. Of course the theater will take a hit. Streaming is the future so far. NF despises the theaters. They castrated their own profits on the Irishman release as if to flick their front tooth at theater goers.

When I have to hear brain dead ppl accuse me of having a negative outlook on modern society...it's like..it isn't MY fault it sucks!

The good news (or bad news) is that there really aren't enough movies worth seeing in theaters now, anyway. So...yeah, sign me up to streaming. One hand on my balls and the other on a remote wrapped inside a bag of popcorn. Can't do that in a theater.

I mean you can ...

SFMZone 12-06-19 04:32 PM

I don't fault them for it. We had our time, our interests (I'm assuming the majority here are Gen X and Boomers). It's the Millennials turn.

A couple centuries ago, there was probably some older folk saying, "I don't understand today's generation. I thought sitting in a tea room watching a guy in a white powder wig playing a harpsichord would be an entertainment that would last forever, but kids today are fascinated with those new talking pictures. That's not real entertainment. What a shame."

Wyldesyde19 12-06-19 04:54 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
I don’t think anyone realistically believes they’re going away. Sure there’s a decline, but not for the blockbusters. And let’s face it, as long as the Disney films and Marvel films and the Star Wars films make money in the theatre, it isn’t going anywhere.

Wyldesyde19 12-06-19 04:56 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Originally Posted by SFMZone (Post 2051208)
I don't fault them for it. We had our time, our interests (I'm assuming the majority here are Gen X and Boomers). It's the Millennials turn.

A couple centuries ago, there was probably some older folk saying, "I don't understand today's generation. I thought sitting in a tea room watching a guy in a white powder wig playing a harpsichord would be an entertainment that would last forever, but kids today are fascinated with those new talking pictures. That's not real entertainment. What a shame."
Minor quibble, but talking pictures have only been around for less then a century.

Citizen Rules 12-06-19 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by SFMZone (Post 2051201)
...Classic cars - when's the last time you seen a millennial driving a classic car or muscle car?
They can't afford them! Hell the car I had in high school is worth a small fortune right now, I should've kept it!

Originally Posted by SFMZone (Post 2051208)
...(I'm assuming the majority here are Gen X and Boomers). It's the Millennials turn.
I don't think there's many Boomers here. I'd guess most are Millennials. But really don't know for sure.

Joel 12-06-19 06:39 PM

It's funny how television and movies can represent a generation only a fraction of it true. Millenials get a really bad rap and if you go by tv and movies you can see why. But there are so many people, young and old, who are textured, dynamic human beings, artists, humanitarians, etc, that it would be foolish to think that we're doomed from that perspective. That the millenials are ruining the world. That's a farce because everyone knows it's all kind of just coming down around itself due to the reliance on technology, which, I don't care what anyone says, is friggin SCARY.

Stirchley 12-06-19 07:02 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
I was queuing for DKN coffee Thursday a.m. & the 20-something nurse in front of me told me “not to come in her personal space”. I had a good laugh about this later with friends (hey, I’m British - I never stand close to anyone), but one friend immediately said “Millennials, that’s the kind of thing they say”. No clue if this is true or not.

SFMZone 12-07-19 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (Post 2051214)
Minor quibble, but talking pictures have only been around for less then a century.
Yea I overshot the time frame in my analogy by a wide margin, lol, but hopefully you got the gist of it.

Wyldesyde19 12-07-19 01:56 AM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2051232)
I was queuing for DKN coffee Thursday a.m. & the 20-something nurse in front of me told me “not to come in her personal space”. I had a good laugh about this later with friends (hey, I’m British - I never stand close to anyone), but one friend immediately said “Millennials, that’s the kind of thing they say”. No clue if this is true or not.
This is something I had heard when I was a teenager, regarding personal space. (I was sitting too close to a girl I liked, who was a year or two older, but alas, she didn’t reciprocate my affections)
This was over 20 years ago.
I’m a gen xer, as was the girl referenced.
People are too quick to lay the blame at Millenials feet I’ve noticed.
As a side note, I learned to respect personal space after that incident, so really it just came as an issue of respect

ironpony 01-10-20 07:34 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
So when it comes to Martin Scorsese turning to Netflix cause they are the only ones who would fund his movie, why is that? I mean back in the 90s for example, there is no way a straight to video movie company would finance a 3 hour plus historical drama like that. So why are the straight to video studios more open minded now?

Yoda 01-10-20 07:38 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Because the economics are completely different, obviously. Theater tickets used to be a bigger chunk of a movie's revenue.

Before asking why something isn't the same, it helps to ask if there's any reason to expect it to be, if there are all sorts of glaring circumstancial differences.

ironpony 02-07-20 04:29 PM

Re: Why do filmmakers choose to sell to Netflix instead of theaters?
 
Oh okay, well wouldn't Scorsese be able to fund the movie himself, with all the money he has made over the decades from his past successes, or does he not have the money to fund one if his own movies if he wanted to?


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