Game of Thrones: Season 4
 

New season is coming closer and closer,what are your thoughts on season 4,what do you want to see?And guys,no spoilers.

First I want to see revenge for Stark's,I wanna see some of their enemy's dead,Ayra's list could work.I can't wait for battle for The Wall,I want to see how will North handle this situation,I want to see what will happen to Tyrion and Jamie,and many more things,season looks epic,people that read the books told me this season will be crazy,I can't wait.There will be new characters so yea...Also first episode should be about Ned's sword and second about Wedding,and something big should happen there ,that is all I know,I think every episode in this season will be huge and they won't have build up,they will go for it from the start.Your thoughts?
Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZY43QSx3Fk

I'm looking forward to it for sure, but I've read the books, so the things I am looking forward to will be spoilers for those who haven't. I'm pretty sure one thing that happens this season will floor anyone who hasn't read the books. Hang on to your doublet.

Oh yeah. It's really gonna boil their leather. It'll shock them half-a-hundred times. I can't wait to see their bulging grey-blue eyes.

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I feel the same way. All the TV watchers who raved about last season, I'm always like just wait. The best is coming up. Im not worried till next season. Book 4 was not so great for me. I have started book 5 three times, the world just loses steam for me.

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Having read the book, I cant wait to see how this season turns out. There are so many scenes this season which will absolutely blow people away, especially in the latter half of the season when things really get crazy. I expect the 9th episode to be as insane as usual.

Yeah, I really wish I could go back in time and not read the books. I hadn't read them when I saw the first season and there was nothing like watching "the scene" for the first time. I really couldn't grasp my mind around that actually happened.

I love books more than movies and more than most anything, but the things that happen in the book don't have the same shock factor as when they occur on screen. I wish I didn't know what was going to happen, but you bet I'm going to get a huge kick out of other people's reactions.

I agree with Seanc that book four fell off somewhat for me. For one thing Daenerys isn't in it. I don't care what anyone else says, I love her. Also, I wish the scope of the books weren't quite as broad as they are. That's just nitpicking though, because I think they are fantastic.

When fantasy is done well, there is nothing I love more. Problem is that most of the time it's not. I have very few books, movies and television programs in this genre that I think are any good, so those I hold very dear. I can't wait for the premiere.

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I'm glad I didn't read books,not because they are bad,far from that,but watching tv series without knowing what will happen is different and for me better exp...Example-Red Wedding :) ...And books started coming out in 1996 if I'm correct,and I was born in '97 so yea...Still I will 100% read books but I will w8 for tv series to end first.

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I can appreciate what you guys are saying but my jaw dropped when I read the chapter surrounding Ned in the first book. I think the impact can be just as great. The character detail is so much better in books as well, obviously. I always want to fill in the blanks for people who have not read the books. I feel like I am getting the best of both worlds reading the books first. I am now getting a visual of everything that is in my head but I am also filling in the cracks with my pre conceived notions of this world. Love GOT, few books have been brought to life this way.

Oh, I think the books are much better overall, I just wish I would have held off until after the show is over. I don't think you see The Red Wedding coming as clearly in the show as you do the book. In the book, there were several clues as to what was going to happen.



Even with the first season, the Ned scene seems like something that would have been a likely result of all that occurred before in the book and not the shocking, "No Way!" that it was on TV. A part of that I think was the fact that Sean Bean played Ned. That happens to supporting characters, not the hero of the story played by Sean.

Another reason, I love the books more is "The Hound" I like him a lot on the show; I am absolutely in love with him in the books.

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Yea,well said,I will read books ofc,but I started with TV series so I will w8 for that to finish.When I asked what do you want to see in next season I forgot a lot of you read the books and you already know what will happen. :D

I would say the majority of us have read the books.

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New trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIASaUUwklk

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So I gotta give props to her costume designer, and the photo is great. She dressed up for a jewish holiday. My initial reaction though was wishing Madonna would keep her old boney horny ass away from this franchise altogether.

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New trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Y_qhzxn2c

I'm amazed at the production value of this entire series. Right from the bat, it has been great, and only improving imo. Wonder what the budget is... It must be quite enormous.

I know...even the opening credits are super impressive

A math teacher wrote GOT spoilers on the chalkboard to punish a noisy classroom.

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One week away, and it will be............
















.....Joffreytime!!

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They should have Jack Gleeson just do a guest spot for 1 episode on The Walking Dead for the sole intent he be eaten. It would be a fan pleaser for all GOT fans :)

Im rewatching season 3 now, and Im quickly a fan of his future bride.

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^^^^ Her reaction when she heard Joffrey was a monster :laugh: I was sold instantly.

Having not read the books I can honestly speculate Ive no idea whats gonna happen in season 4.

Game Of Thrones star up for doing a nude scene

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Wait, there's nudity in Games of Thrones??? :D :D

My reaction, much as I love Peter Dinklage: No, Tyrion, don't do it! Don't succumb to the stupid, pointless nudity that appears in GOT!

There, I've said it. Instead of increasing the male nudity to avoid whiners who say there is too much female nudity, why not just, umm, decrease the female nudity? Most of it is overdone, ridiculous, and unnecessary anyway. My two cents.

On episode 4 of last season. Man Ive gone on about alot of series this past year, but none touch the articulate, crass, and rich dialogue of Game Of Thrones. So quoteworthy you cant decide which line.

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I've not read any of the books, but my nephew has and every once in a while (just because I can't stand not knowing) I'll ask him what happens to a certain character.

I'm a Daenerys fan, as much for the actress as the character. And Emilia Clarke is definitely easy on the eyes. Plus, I must have the dragons committing more carnage. :cool:

Arya is probably my favorite character and I've learned a little of her future, which I'm excited about.

I love a lot of the supporting characters: Jorah Mormont, Bran Stark, Lord Varys, Bronn, "The Hound," Grand Maester Selmy, Brienne of Tarth, Ygritte (Rose Leslie, what a beauty!), and Davos Seaworth, just to name a few, so vast is the cast. :)

Natalie Dormer, who plays Margaery Tyrell, was also in the Showtime series, The Tudors and showed off her wonderful talent[s], if you know what I mean and I think you do. Hope to see more of her this year.

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^^^^ Really hoping this idiot dies. Dont know how cool he is in the books, but as a contributor to the story he seems like Justin Bieber in a muscle suit - worthless.

I dont like him.

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TONGO, from what I've read, the actor above has been replaced with a different actor. I can't remember the character's name or I'd cross-reference to see who's playing him this year. I hope that helps in some way with your disdain for this blockhead (I didn't much like the actor, either). :)

Replacement confirmed.

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Actually its this guy...
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Just looking at him I like him more. He's not all "walked off the cover of a romance novel", like pretty boy from season 3. I heard in the books he had long blue hair, a beard tied into 3 knots, and a gold tooth. LOL! Who woulda thought Hollywood would ever tone something down.

Ha, ha! :D I hear you. I rather liked the "Thor" one as a joke. I don't think anyone would notice if they swapped one of those with the other, they look so similar.

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Season 4 has a 94/100 on Metacritic at the moment from an average of 29 reviews.

That is insane, one of the highest rated TV seasons ever.

http://www.metacritic.com/tv/game-of-thrones/season-4

That has me biting at the chomp for Sunday night even more!

Meanwhile, I'm jealous of George R.R. Martin for this reason:

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An incredible scene from season 1....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tjEQnXTvwk

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Been watching season 3 again this week before for the season 4 premiere tomorrow. One of my favorite interactions were between Tywin & Tyrion Lannister. Charles Dance plays the most powerful man in Westeros perfectly with presence and delivery, and Peter Dinklage does a nice job when Tyrion occasionally jabs the iron wall which is his father. Though Tywin always wins these exchanges decisively thru sheer sudden heartlessness.

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Finally some good non-anime series to watch. :)

This is one of my absolute favorite scenes: everyone is jockeying for position near Tywin at the council table, then Cersei does her little thing and finally, hilariously, Tyrion does his chair thing, with a little snarky speech to boot. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scxmOWOHYjQ

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Arya & The Hound. Love this second coming of the Lone Wolf and Cub dynamic, with the twist that Arya swore to kill him. What's funny is how the Hound took her serious, but still couldnt give a crap. I havent finished the season premiere yet, but so far its good. Im so afraid for Tyrions true love Shae too.

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Edit in - just finished it, and of course it was awesome. :)

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Take that, Polliver!!

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Hahahahaha, I ****ing love Arya, you know what I'm talking about.

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Yes, Arya and the Hound totally put the icing on the cake of this episode! I loved the Hound's whole speech, in regards to the King and the chickens. And Arya's eyes getting bigger as the speech went on. :) Then Arya's triumph. Totally aces.

Not to take away from the rest of the episode, where most of the main players caught us up with their doings. I was surprised by how the largest dragon (if they have names, I don't know them) reacted to Daenerys' touch: it's just like dogs...don't mess with them while they're eating. A very good season opener.

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The Black Dragon is named Drogon...

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Thanks, Sedai! I haven't read the books so I don't know how things progress (or regress) with Daenerys and her dragons. But I'm eager to find out. I liked the ominous shadow of the dragons in the preview as they flew over what I can only assume is Meereen.

And is the sword that was melted the one that formally belonged to Ned Stark? I assume that the Direwolf pelt was Stark's also?

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I purposely came in here to post about the look on Arya's face while The Hound was asking for all the chickens... and I see dadgumblah beat me to it. Glad to see I wasn't the only one who got a big kick out of that exchange.

I think Arya remains one of my favorite characters. Of course, it helps that she reminds me so much of my elder daughter -- doesn't take any crap from anyone, speaks her mind, and even looks a little like her.... :D

Just realized something. The premiere episode mainly focused on the Lannisters, but nobody made mention of the warnings sent by the Nights Watch of the oncoming undead horde - whatsupwitdat'?!

I am pretty sure its been mentioned so dont think I am out of line in saying that the southern realms don't believe them. They think it is all hocus pocus bunk. Thats why the night's watch is so small now. Most dont believe they are any use to the realm.

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Yeah, easy to forget that in this world, knowledge travels slowly and is highly unreliable. And travel itself is slow and expensive, especially if you're moving an army. So to meaningfully respond to the threat means weeks of travel (or more) and tons of resources on provisions for a threat they've never seen and can't verify.

Without fast communication or travel, entire wars can be won and lost based on something as mundane as the logistics of troop movements. They have to anticipate where they'll be needed, because they can't move quickly enough to be deployed in reaction to things.

The bigger the ship, the earlier you have to start the turn.

Well i just had a question or really just want other people's opinon.

Warning there are book spoilers down thar!

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I try to avoid this thread because people tend to talk about the books more often than the show, regardless if it's in spoiler tags or not.

Great opening to the season though.

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Well both the books and the show are good which makes it easy to compare and contrast the two.

Rewatching Thrones from first episode season one. Funny how so many characters I see then think "Oh you poor basterd".

Arya is definitely being groomed to be the nastiest fighter of them all. She took sword lessons from her "dance teacher", could one day learn the powers of the many faced knight, and the Hound unknowingly is teaching her how to survive.

Following how the series treats such anticipated developments she'll probably now get bit by a mosquito and die of malaria. :indifferent:

I waited until today to watch the first episode so that I wouldn't have to wait so long for the second. I figured a lot of it would be stuff that we have to get through to get to the good stuff. A lot of it was but the scene with the Hound and Arya was amazing. I love the Hound so much. If I could have my way those two would have their own spin-off series.

Is it just me or did that episode seem like it lasted 10 minutes? I guess there was a lot to cover and I was excited to catch up with all the characters.

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Another thought hit me, and this ones out there.

Wheres the zombie horde?! So at the end of season two they were enroute, Theyre slow so Sam Tarley and the remaining Crows beat them back. Later in the season Sam seems to unwittingly kill what looked like theyre leader when it came to take the baby. Now theyre slow, and I think they would have got here by now.

Could Sam Tarley have bought the world Westeros entire more time?!

TONGO, love that image of The Hound, the face of Westero's Fried Chicken. :)

A lot of people were wondering after the first episode where the ice zombies (forget what they're really called) are. When Sam was fleeing them, I wonder, were they, at that particular time, marching on the Wall? Or were they just moving their troops to another place? Sam may have indeed bought them more time with his move. At this point, he seems to be more concerned with the Wildlings than the zombies. I don't know if he told anyone when he got back to the Wall. When his commander, Mormont, witnessed the dead men trying to rise up and kill him in his quarters, he knew. Then he took his troops north of the Wall, but was it to stop the ice zombies or to head off the Wildlings? I kind of forget what Mormont's reasoning was to move, and what his purpose for visiting Craster was (you know, the guy who gives up his baby girls to the ice zombies). Since it all fell ill for both Mormont and Craster, we have to wonder if Mormont ever left any word behind with the jerk commander at the Wall about the ice zombies (methinks not) or the Wildling threat (methinks double not, given their reaction to Jon Snow's report). I'm hoping we can get a bit of news on them tonight. Somebody said this week that everybody's all tied up in vying for the Iron Throne and fighting each other that the legend of the ice people seems to have been swept under the rug.

EDIT: After some skulking around, I was reminded that the ice zombies are called The White Walkers.

EDIT #2: This fun little video from YouTube, if you haven't already seen it. From the people who do "Bad Lip Reading"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ

Only 18 minutes into tonights episode (S4E2), and reminded I hate a character as much as Joffrey - Ramsay Snow. He and Joffrey would hit it off famously.

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Finished the episode, and all I have to say is.....

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Yep - once again I was biting my tongue as the moment approached, because Lisa was just spitting venom at Joffrey for his conduct throughout the episode. I kept watching him in the background as he would take sips of his cup...

"Oh ****...is this it??? Nope..."

That said, I think they were slightly too obvious with the camerawork and Lisa figured out the poisoner on the first guess. They dropped a couple of red herrings throughout the episode, and some obvious obfuscation, but she saw right through it.

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So great. The moment those of us in the know have been waiting for. Unfortunately for me this is the point where the storytelling goes downhill. I am hopeful that the show can grab me where the books didn't from this point on.

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Although I still enjoyed the material after this point, I agree with Seanc to some extent. It;s still good, and some sections most certainly reach the levels we have seen previously, but I ran into much more filler in books 4 and 5, and the narrative isn't as well done overall. Still, I look forward to continuing Arya's line, as well as characters like Brienne, Jamie, and Tyrion.

This is my guess who did it

^^^ I made some corrections in my spoiler box above, but I still think that person did it.

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I'm not telling!

Here's a quick tidbit from Jack Gleeson in regards to his retirement from acting at age 21:

" I’ve been acting since age 8. I just stopped enjoying it as much as I used to. And now there’s the prospect of doing it for a living, whereas up until now it was always something I did for recreation with my friends, or in the summer for some fun. I enjoyed it. When you make a living from something, it changes your relationship with it. It’s not like I hate it, it’s just not what I want to do."

What a refreshing perspective from an actor. He was great at his job as he seems as decent in real life compared to the horror that he played.

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Especially these last couple of seasons - great chops!

I've heard a lot of people say the same, and I do get it. I guess I'm just a bit more forgiving. The third book absolutely feels like a dead sprint, and everything in it is both exciting and important. The following two books slow down considerably, with spikes of excitement toward the end of the fifth book. But I rather like how Martin allowed himself to slow down and continue cultivating his world, where an inferior writer might have sped to a hasty conclusion (even though I do think Martin has got things a bit too overstretched in some areas).

Either way, great swan song for Joffrey, and much kudos to Jack Gleeson for his portrayal. Aside from bringing that character to the screen perfectly, all accounts are he's a wonderful, pleasant, jovial, intelligent human being, and it's a shame he'll probably always be associated with this monster. I hope he hasn't had to endure undue nastiness on the street from people who can't separate fiction from reality.

Also, I was wondering why they decided to swap Ser Ilyn Payne (the king's tongue-less headsman) for Bronn as Jaime's sparring partner. I figured it was to get Bronn more involved and have some nice banter between the two, which would have been impossible with Payne. But I did some reading, and it turns out that Wilko Johnson (who's something of an old rockstar in England) has terminal cancer and won't be seeking treatment. :(

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I think the pattern to those choices is pretty clear: it's almost always a secondary character taking over something done by a tertiary character, which is a call a good showrunner is going to make pretty much every time in a story this sprawling. Lower budget, fewer characters to keep track of, and a way to get those sporadic secondary characters more screen time. They've done it a handful of times and I think it's been a really smart way to reign things in.

True enough. Even so, it's fun to spot characters from the books in the background who aren't mentioned by name and/or have no speaking parts. Fat Walda, for example, was in last night's episode, and the Damphair appeared in an episode way back in Season 2.

TONGO, I agree with your spoiler, maybe because of things I may or may have not have heard...I'm not saying either way. ;)

And I'm pretty sure where Sansa is being spirited off to, but I'm not saying that either.

First off, I again want to give kudos to my nephew for begging me to watch GoT, despite my resistance to adding another television program to my already full plate. How glad I am I gave in. Also, and this may seem off-topic but it's not in my warped mind, I applaud my nephew for first introducing me to The Rock aka Dwayne Johnson back when he was wrestling. On one show, The Rock got the opportunity to face off against long-hated opponents and grabbed the microphone and said in his best low growl, "AT LASSSSTTT!" That's exactly what I said when our hated villain bit the big one last night. So I doubly thank my dear nephew for his great taste. :)

Yes, I also despise Ramsay Snow, and I this is mostly due to the actor's fine acting, much like Jack Gleason as Joffrey. I loved Lena Headey before this show and I thought she was brilliantly bad last night, going around sniping at people and threatening them. And then she gets some barbs thrown back her way from Oberyn who keeps calling her the "ex-Queen Regent." I was laughing at that. And making thinly-veiled threats about her daughter in Dorne. Yikes! And then Oberyn jabbing at Tywin, who seemed not at all concerned by Oberyn. Love Charles Dance, however evil his character is...he's just too cool for school.

Poor Tyrion, suffering so many indignities at the hands of Joffrey, it's no wonder he's #1 on the suspect list. Kudos to Dinklage for a fine job of showing the Uncle barely controlling his rage, but somehow keeping it in check.

Having not read the books, I was surprised when Cersei threw out the taunt at Lady Brienne for being in love with Jaime. I thought she just considered him a friend.

I wonder who gets the "Widow's Wail" now that the KIng no longer needs it. :)

Great episode, one of the best.

Curious note: in A Storm of Swords, Jaime and Brienne don't actually attend the Purple Wedding. They don't arrive in King's Landing until after it's over and the king is already dead.

But I have to admit, it was rather interesting to see that the first two people who rushed to Joffrey's aid in last night's episode were Cersei and Jaime... his parents. :D

When Cersei said "my son" I thought that Jaime was going to say it too.

Makes Jaime The One-Handed Lord Commander of the Kingsguard look pretty incompetent to have his king get killed right in front of him like that

Too bad, two of the best characters are going to pay for the death of that spoiled psychopath boy.

Btw, I have to say that I'm gonna miss Joffrey all the same.

Great. Another "innocent & unintentional" spoiler remark. Im making a thread for the TV viewers only.

To be fair I've read the books and have no idea who he's talking about.

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I think he's just saying he expect Jaime's reputation to take a hit for the failure.

This isn't a spoiler.

Also, this:

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I saw that on Facebook just a minute ago. Pretty much what I've been saying all along. People say, "I want to know what happens, but I don't want it spoiled!"

Oh yeah? Then read the books.

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I finally got LT to read the books, but the show just passed her by as the season started. She best hurry!

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Ehhhh, now that the show has deviated far enough away from the books (and will a lot moreso in future seasons) I can understand wanting to finish the story with these characters and then maybe read the books after the fact to fill in what you missed out on.

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Fair point. Although I wonder how many people will finish out the series and then never read the books. I've been raked over the coals many times because I said I would read the Harry Potter books after the movies were done. Still haven't read the books. Probably won't read them. I know a whole lot is different, but I still feel like I "completed" the story, you know?

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Yeah time lines are about to get super muddled. If I am not mistaken we are already in fifth book territory with Theon.

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Yeah, I was only making a supposition, I've not read the books. The only thing for sure is that Tyrion is in trouble. Actually I believe that Jaime is gonna be fine.

Nobody hates spoilers more than me.

Indeed we are. And even more than that, they're really altering the path for Theon, Ramsay, and Roose:

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Would have been more effective if they'd just have given Alfie Allen a season or two off and made it seem like Theon was actually dead. Guess they don't give their viewers enough credit that they'd remember a major character from a couple years ago.

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I'm guessing the contractual stuff has a bit to do with it. It would probably suck to have to take that hiatus and wonder about exactly when he'd be coming back while looking for other work. And his has been one of the better performances on the show, so I doubt they wanted to risk having to recast him.

Speaking of Theon, btw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lki-nBllz78

Most embarrassing big sister of all time.

More than anything this season, I'm excited to see...

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I realize they have to do it this way, but the first two episodes of season 4 have felt like a collection of vignettes, lightly touching on many of the characters in an effort to sort of catch up all the stories. Alas, can this method work in regards to unfolding a rich narrative that we can really sink our teeth into? Are there just too many (relevant) characters in this saga to work as a TV show while still developing the character arcs properly? There are still a TON of characters to come, and I already feel like we just get a couple of minutes in each POV before being whisked away to the next group of players.

This show has to be a nightmare to do season breakdowns for...

Ive rewatched the episode 3 times so I could figure out the murderer like Lisa did. Instead I think 2 or 3 other people could have done it now besides Old Lady Tyrell. :|

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Well...do you want to know or...

Sansa touched the cup, Tyrion had the cup multiple times, Oberyn is a poison expert, Chesty McPolitics was standing next to Joffrey and had access to the cup and knew she had a life of abuse ahead of her, the cup was set down next to Lady Tyrell who knew Chesty had a life of abuse ahead of her. Varys, the master of spies, was in the vicinity. Oh, pretty much everyone hated Joffrey except Cersei. That leaves about 6,356 suspects. ;)

Pretty sure is wasn't either Dany or Jon Snow...oh, or Bran. Probably not Bran.

Or Hodor.

It may have been Hodor.

But probably not. :D

Melissandre may have cast a spell during which she threw poison up in the air and it came down in Joff's cup.

See, looks more and more like it was Hodor every minute, mister!!

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I think it was the relatives of that dove he killed with his sword. Their vengeance is swift.

I could have sworn I saw a portly writerly fellow with a white beard and a newsboy cap scurrying around during that scene. My money is on him.

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Its probably not as complicated as it seems, and It could have been just Ser Duncan! He hustled Sansa out of there because he knew it would hit the fan.

Bah! Im sticking with my first guess - Old Lady Tyrell with a Ser Duncan/Fool assist.

Ser Dontos. Not Duncan.

Ser Duncan (the Tall) was a knight who lived about 90 years ago, and is featured in the "Dunk and Egg" short stories.

Oh, I almost forgot. Funniest scene in the episode was......

I think Ramsay would have had Joffrey pretty well mind-****ed before the first day was out.


Thanks Sleez. As I was catching up on the thread I was composing a far less eloquent address to this matter in my head, one that would have surely warranted a few thumbs downs.

Now, as for the disconnect between page and screen...I have so many unorganized and unresearched thoughts on the matter that I have to apologize if this post comes off as a bit ranty. I suppose that's what the internet is for, right?

Honestly, I'm developing a strangely obsessive sociological interest in Game of Thrones audiences, of both book and screen. (As a quick background I've read books 1, 2 & 3 and an caught up with the show).

It's not like GOT is the first story to be delivered in multiple medias to it's mass audience. I think of recent examples like webisode, videogame or graphic novel tie-ins, with popular properties like The Office, The Walking Dead, HALO, Animatrix, etc. where the story is delivered in as many as three or four medias at the same time. While I have no doubt that this approach is largely or entirely fiscally motivated, it offers its mass audience access on certain occasions to different parts of the story, more plotlines, characters, whathaveyou. The result is pretty simple: everyone's experience is mostly the same with small and largely inconsequential exceptions.

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Then there are stories that are altered or revised over time, like The Lord of the Rings. . The delivery of the story altered over time, as medias developed, allowing the story to revise itself in pace with the mass audience it was intended for. When Peter Jackson's films came out, there was 1.) A familiar audience readers, & 2.) An unfamiliar audience. This led to an ongoing dialogue about the story itself in which the indispensable story elements are slowly revealed by comparing medias.

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Now, for the most recent GOT episode I found myself in a room of ten people, three of whom have read books 1-3, three of whom have read 1-5, and four of whom are HBO-exclusives. Imagine the conversation following the Purple Wedding scene: some of us knew exactly what happened, some know some of what happened, and some of us knew nothing. (Needless to say some folks had to leave before revealing any spoilers)

Personally, as a books 1-3 kind of man, I was able to say with certainty what had transpired though I could not share it with the HBO-exclusives in fear of spoiling it. So I sat and listened to their theories, ideas, and fantasies, only interjecting every now and then with a 'That's interesting'.

Later that night I found myself thinking about the story. The real, culturally-owned story of Game Of Thrones, the same way Star Wars or Alice in Wonderland have become culturally-owned. There's nothing strange about a group of people sitting in a bar discussing the philosophy of Return of the Jedi; it has been around long enough that its mass audience is society itself (a stretch perhaps).

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GOT, on the otherhand, is a story being delivered in two basic formats at the same time. This may not seem strange at all, but it is when you consider that both formats, each of which has an established relationship with a real-time audience, is still in the process of being written and revised, and therefore has created different subsets of the same mass audience, each of which might have different ideas of what the story means and what the story is and even where the story is going.

I suppose the best example is also from the most recent GOT episode. When the show cut to Joffrey's wedding scene, I immediately thought, 'Oh, this is the wedding scene. I know how this is going to play out.' But having already experienced the disconnect between page and screen I came to the realization that I have no real idea how this is going to play out. It's a different media, a different incarnation of the same story and there's no reason it couldn't play out differently.

I don't know. If you've made it this far in the post (kudos) you're probably wondering where I'm going with all this. Nowhere, most likely...I haven't come up with a thesis yet and probably won't get there. I just think it's interesting, the idea of two storytellers on opposite sides of the village sharing different elements of the same story. Or is it still just one bonfire, different voices?

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Anyways. Winterfell High School Football Rules.