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I'm not sure if this merits a thread, but it's something I wanted to say and I wasn't sure any existing thread was the right place:

When I heard Netflix was going to start spending billions to create its own content, I couldn't imagine them ever amassing enough decent programming (at least, not for awhile) that I would consider maintaining a subscription just for their stuff, which seems like a necessary bar to clear for the entire enterprise to be worthwhile.

Really feels like they hit a big tipping point over the last year, though. There's been plenty of crap (inevitable, given the sheer output), and the movies in particular have been mostly bad or mediocre...but there's a few gems in the last wave of shows, and I think that's enough to put it over the top. Before, there were maybe 4-5 shows that I was definitely interested in, but that number has probably doubled over the last year. It used to be that most of what I watched on Netflix was the licensed stuff, and then every few months one of the Netflix shows I actually liked would come out. Now, it seems like, as soon as I finish one, another one's no more than a couple weeks away.

When I actually sit down and list the ones I would, for example, definitely watch at least another season of if and when it comes out, I realized the list had gotten pretty long:

• House of Cards
• Santa Clarita Diet
• Ozark
• BoJack Horseman
• Stranger Things
• Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt
• Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Return
• Black Mirror
• Daredevil
• Dark
• Altered Carbon
• A Series of Unfortunate Events
• GLOW
• Mindhunter
• The Joel McHale Show with Joel McHale
• The Standups
• Tabula Rasa
• Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee
• The Keepers
• Making a Murderer

That's 20 shows! And a few of those near the top are among my favorites regardless of source.

Some are longer than others, to be sure, but we're probably talking ~200 hours there. Even if you assume I should be paying, like, $1/hour to watch something (seems low, if anything), that comes out to about $16/month, and the actual streaming subscription costs just over half that. And that assumes I won't like any more new shows, and totally ignores the licensed content that's still there.

Anyway, I mention this because the gradual reduction of their licensed content was an annoyance to a lot of people, my self included. But in retrospect, I think it was probably inevitable that there would be a year or two in there where the original content wasn't plentiful of matured/developed enough, collectively, to offset the licensed content they were losing, but that after a couple of years, it's mostly balanced out. At least, for people like me who are fine with it skewing more towards episodic programming relative to movies.

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Just to expound a little, I think over half the shows on that list were either added in the last year, or I just watched in the last year, so it's been a pretty dramatic shift. I basically went from having one Netflix show I was interested in every ~2 months, on average, to every single month. Since a show can take a week or two to get through, it basically means that if I'm just watching a couple other shows on network TV, or just watching the occasional movie, the Netflix stuff is just about enough to almost always "bridge the gap" to the next thing. That seems like a big tipping point.

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Just to clarify one point. Are you saying that everything on your list is Netflix’s own content? Because, of course, Black Mirror is not original to Netflix.

I basically agree with what you’re saying based on my own experience. I went for several months without watching anything in my pile of unwatched DVDs & I streamed almost every day from Netflix without feeling deprived at all. The only reason I just now discontinued the streaming service is because I am back to my own dvd collection now. HBO streaming I go in & out of. Been out for several months now. HULU I will renew when The Handmaid’s Tale returns. One thing that irks me about Netflix & I’ve mentioned this before is the very very limited number of movies that can be streamed. In my current Q of maybe 200 movies, I know I could not find even 6 to stream. So I retain my 2 DVDs out at one time plan.

Depends on how you care to define the terms, but everything on the list is exclusive to Netflix. Obviously, as you say, Black Mirror didn't originate with them, but they bought it and produced the fourth season. They call them all "Originals" regardless, though I guess that could be misleading.

Yeah, I dig. I did the same, though I scaled back to 1 at a time after awhile.

I'm actually giving a lot of thought to ditching the DVD plan entirely. There are still lots of movies I want to watch through it, but the increased streaming content means the time before I get to each one, combined with the time to mail the discs, means that the cost of each on average probably comes out to a few bucks, which is pretty much exactly what it costs to stream a rental from another site, anyway. 5-6 years ago I watched most discs quickly and the cost-per-disc was lower, but add a couple of days to each because of other options, and suddenly it's not really a money-saver any more.

It's a little hard to calculate, though, because there's often a rush X months after the summer or holiday movie seasons where we watch half a dozen the same day we get them, but in-between, I'm probably only getting through a few per month anyway.

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I really like the 2 dvd plan & can’t see myself ever changing it. I never shuffle my Q & I never read their emails when they tell me what’s coming. So each envelope is a surprise to me - some good, some bad. As I said earlier, Netflix’s weak spot to me is the limited number of movies that can be streamed judging from my experience at least. They’ve explained to me that this is due to licensing rights, etc. & I appreciate that. Something else that factors into my viewing experience is my inability to stream from my iPad to my TV. I just have not taken that step to do this because, so far, I am satisfied with streaming solely on my iPad & using my DVD players for my discs. My 2nd DVD player is a multi-region set up for non-American content.

I always say that if you poll a dozen people, maybe only 1 or 2 of them will have an identical entertainment set up.

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Dude. Unrelated. I watched GLOW (Gorgeous Ladies Of Wrestling) live back in the day. I'm totally serious. I'm not sure that I'll ever watch the show on Netflix but I love that they made it.

That being said I agree with a lot of what you said in your first post. I don't do cable anymore. I get all my news and music from youtube and for the last 6 months or so I've had Netflix. I usually stream a lot of stuff that's not on Netflix online at other sites but since I don't pay over a hundred bucks a month for cable Netflix is a steal! Its only 10 12 bucks? Pfft! I just binged on Shameless... all seven seasons of it! Sorry I'm rambling.

As far as DVD's go? I bet in 5 years there will be even less of those around than VHS tapes. Think of it. There's kids right now growing up without even having to use a machine like that at all. A few more years and kids won't even know what DVD's were. Sorry, still rambling. Not sure if I even had a point.

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You're not alone. G.L.O.W. was GREAT!!!

Every so often I catch myself humming some random melody that I picked up from the show.

Teeeko-tico tico TEEko!


Btw, Netflix did a great job. It's its own thing, but very entertaining.

Hmmmm, you mean like kids today have never heard of a turntable? That must be why vinyl is coming back.

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I barely use Netflix anymore. I keep meaning to cancel it until a original film or series pops up, but I keep forgetting.

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If Netflix focuses only on new content AND DVDs are on the way out, how will we watch old stuff? Or will everything old be obsolete and we'll only be able to watch Netflix 'original' remakes...

I don’t believe DVDs are on the way out.

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One day, Spotify will be emulated retro. Complete with commercials.

:D

Vinyl is coming back because it sounds better than a recording you can get on a disc. DVD's are disc's too. They'll disappear just like VHS. DVD's are worth less than a dollar at most garage sales these days, that's really all I need to know. DVD's and CD's were always going to be a temporary medium until the next thing. But hey, keep buying them if'n ya want. They are literally not worth the plastic they are made from.

I hope streaming continues to grow honestly. It seems to me you can find almost any show movie or what have you online today if you look long enough. I think streaming online is a better option than another option after DVD's, personally.

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Except you’ll never own it.

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lol DVDs are going nowhere. Utterly delusional to think otherwise.:rolleyes:
You can keep ya Netflix and streaming and shove them where the sun don't shine. :D

When's the last time you bought one smart guy? But you're right it's delusional to discuss the future.

Physical media may have its shortcomings, but it's not like Netflix and other streaming services don't have their own rather serious flaws either. I've complained many times about how titles constantly disappear from Netflix's library without warning; this is a problem that only seems to be accelerating as Netflix pivots from merely licensing other companies' titles to producing and distributing their own original content (and MUBI even turned that into their whole business model by adding a new title and giving you exactly 30 days to watch it). Even without that, I shouldn't have to have my choices be limited to whatever's on Netflix at any given moment, especially considering their tendency to disregard older/artier titles (for example, The Blues Brothers only just showed up in their library this week). I shouldn't have to rely on an Internet connection for every single movie I watch either - a bad signal can result in low-quality playback or I might not be able to get a signal at all. One streaming service I signed up for recently charged me $6 to rent a new release and it averaged ten seconds of buffering for every five seconds of actual playback - in comparison, it would've cost me $4 to rent a brand-new DVD of said movie out of a vending machine.

In short, I'm not about to throw around the word "delusional" or anything but I definitely don't think that streaming services have automatically won out over physical media in every single way that matters to the point where it's absolutely pointless to care about DVDs anymore (other people already noted positives like being able to keep them and watch them anytime or the vast range of choices that are available beyond Netflix's limited and constantly-shifting library, plus being able to buy a bunch of them for $1 each sounds like a plus to me). Netflix has its good qualities, but I don't think I'll ever consider it an inherently superior option to DVD nor should I even have to act like it's a life-or-death choice between the two - both options have their strengths and weaknesses, that's all.

No one is trying to tell you to make a life or death decision about Netflix Iro. Being pretty dramatic, yeah? And if in 20 years from now if Netflix still has all the same "problems" you just mentioned then Netflix won't be around either.

20 years ago we knew DVD"s would replace VHS. All I'm saying is that in 20 more I think there's a better than average chance that there will no longer be DVD's. I'm not declaring Netflix the winner of anything, neither is anyone else for that matter. Just kicking around some ideas for the future.

You can own streaming too. I own everything in my Amazon video library.

Tell Criterion that.

I hate buffering with a passion. MTV used to be really bad with that. Maybe they still are.

If you downloaded what you were streaming, you wouldn’t have the buffering problem.

Um... this week.
What a twonk. :D:D:D

20 years sounds a lot more likely than 5 years, I'll give you that much. In any case, it depends on how long it takes for the invention of a physical format that's not only sufficiently superior to DVD in a technical sense but also proves popular enough to overtake DVD and the like. Whatever the case for streaming services, there will still be a demand for physical media and it'd be nice to have something that's as durable and high-quality as vinyl records.

I wouldn't have minded this particular instance so much if I could just go do something else while leaving it to fully buffer but I tried that and, despite leaving it for at least an hour or two, it still only worked for about five minutes or so before going back to the stop-start pattern I described before.

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So I recently took Netflix on a one month trial. I already had Amazon Prime, mostly for the free shipping. Till the time i only had only one, I always felt Netflix would is better. But now that I have it, its more like a feeling of "grass is always greener on the other side". Prime does have some content that I would definitely call "off the beaten path", which I quite like.



Most of the stuff on Netflix is just something that they made (I am talking movies only, not too much into the TV shows they make), which barely cross a rating of 6 on IMDB. Or just way too mainstream. And to be fairly honest, no amount of streaming stuff wold satisfy what i want to watch. Google is still king for me! ;)

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I'm currently waiting for my husband to give me the green light to cut the cable cord. We get a bazillion channels but he watches only the Discovery Channel (seriously, dude?). I'm the one who streams, which is why we have Netflix, Amazon Prime (which I'd have even without the video library), and Hulu right now. Since Xfinity added Netflix capability to their new X1 remotes (and their remotes are awesome, I gotta admit), he does use Netflix a little bit more.

But I can't wait to save that bazillion dollars a month we're currently spending on cable. We have it bundled with a landline and our internet, so we'll have to carefully unbundle those. We love their internet (and it nets us both free mobile service!), but I hate paying for all that TV we don't use. I can add HBO, Starz, and Showtime subscriptions through Prime when we want those. That'd pretty much cover everything we watch anyway. And Hulu offers Discovery Channel shows he watches.

I just wish he had the time to sit down and do the math so we can cut the cord. I typically turn on the TV when he's working night shift and head straight for Netflix. In fact, until reading this thread, I'd forgotten that Netflix even has a DVD option! That's how I started on Netflix waaaay back in the earlier days. We had the 3-DVD plan. Everybody did the DVDs back then. I didn't even give a second thought to any of their streaming because it was junk and leftovers. The movies on DVD were the way to go.

But at some point I ditched the DVDs... I think it was when their playlists just expanded like crazy and we were cutting household costs. I never looked back. If there's a movie I feel I HAVE to watch as soon as I can, I can always rent or buy it through Prime or elsewhere. Instantly. No waiting for a DVD on a waiting list.

I say all this, but I also still buy DVDs. I typically buy things that are tough or impossible to find on any streaming service, or things I just want to have permanent access to. So, older, quirky Gene Wilder movies, for instance, and entire TV series sets (LOST, BSG, Monty Python's old shows from the '70s, Firefly, Mad Men, Deadwood, Six Feet Under...). Plus cheap movies as I see them advertised. A lot of these were only a coupla bucks. Heck, some of the Gene Wilder movies were "add-on items" on Amazon and I had to order OTHER things in the same order before I could even get them!

Hulu's been great for The Handmaid's Tale and one or two other things, but not much else right now. That's probably because we still have cable so I can use Xfinity's On Demand feature to get anything I want to stream right to the TV without the internet issues. We have the cheapest Hulu ($8/month) so there are commercials. Once we cut the cable, Hulu will likely become more prominent in our rotation.

Initially, I thought Netflix's idea of making their own content was a bit silly. I don't know WHY I thought that, since HBO long ago proved it was the smartest way to get people to choose YOUR premium channel over the next guy's. (I remember when HBO first came out and it was the only game in town. Back then the big deal was just getting uncut movies with no commercials. Revolutionary!) Once HBO started producing their own series, they could do no wrong. And they almost never have a flop.

So I don't know why I didn't expect Netflix to succeed. I think the brilliant part of their strategy is the bingeing. Releasing the whole season at once. It gives them a slight edge for me over Hulu, which is releasing The Handmaid's Tale one episode a week like a regular broadcast TV show. Of course, that means you'll keep your Hulu subscription long enough to see an entire season -- months rather than a week or two.

Still, I've had to get used to waiting a week for episodes of The Handmaid's Tale, when I'd gotten used to bingeing episodes of Santa Clarita Diet like Lay's potato chips. (I swear you cannot watch just one episode of that, or Kimmy Schmidt!)

I like most of Yoda's original list. I'm a middle-aged woman, though, so I'd have to add Grace & Frankie. :D

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But wouldn't that deprive him of the sports channels? :)

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I don't think we've EVER watched a sports channel. EVER. We get, like, three ESPNs as part of our ridiculous cable subscription. The only time we've had any of them on have been either when Yoda's been here or when a friend of mine was in town and had to watch a live Ole Miss game. :D

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We can get the Steelers and Pirates on local channels and don't need ESPN. :)

Ah I see. My sad story is that I have to keep the cable on the highest package just for one channel, Bein Sports, because it has the La Liga coverage. It is always available on the highest package of all providers. And stupid Spectrum has BBC News as an SD channel. Cant believe the only news channel in US and its in SD. :mad:



But i would definitely suggest adding Acorn TV or Britbox to your list. They just have better and more intellectual shows!

But you have to say how many of these are good? Not everyone's taste is the same. So a person might not be into all 20 of these. And this is not only in US. They are doing it every other country they have gone in. India, Korea etc. They are just shoving their products over what their original business model was, which was just movies (i think).



I think they are just trying to becomes their own standalone network. Like the Amazon on TV.

Sure, but these are just the 20 I found while sifting through a fraction of the ~800 or so. The idea here is that even if someone's totally uninterested in most of it (certainly true in my case), there's just so flippin' much of it, and the variety is so wide, that I imagine most people would be able to find at least a handful they like. And the cost is probably justified if someone can find even half as many things worth watching as I have.

Anyway, there's definitely a quantity-over-quality problem, but I think it's been improving, and right now the nets they're casting are so wide that they've managed to produce a lot of good stuff.

Yep. A few others are trying to do it, too. Easy to imagine that, in 10-20 years, we think in terms of streaming services rather than networks. It's not a perfect comparison because there'll still probably be plenty of licensing deals that expire or change, but it's obvious most of these places want to have enough original content that other content sources can't rake them over the coals for those fees. They don't actually need to produce all their own content, just enough that networks and studios don't have the leverage to demand huge licensing deals.

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Yes, they are taking the scatter gun approach to drawing customers. Just see what sticks.

They have improved on the content that they make now. More polished. Other than Beasts of No Nation, I would say, I haven't liked anything else made by them.

It is in a way it is a safe bet. They just dont want to become the next Blockbuster or RadioShack. Diversify and diversify early. Just streaming movies might not cut in in 10 years time.


I would say HBO and Hulu are falling behind in this case.

Although if i do think about it, it just might help a lot of people have their big chance. Who knows Netflix/Prime just might discover the next great director. But I am not too hopeful, but it just might happen! :)


EDIT: I forgot about this year's Icarus.

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Based on the examples you mentioned it sounds like you're interested more in their movies as opposed to their TV shows. There are a lot fewer good Netflix movies than there are shows, for sure.

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TV shows yes, i dont really care about never ending sagas. My TV watching rule is simple and very restrictive, Detective/Sleuth, someone has to die in the first few mins (or be victim of some other crime), the story should end in an hour or so, and then a new story. Or be informative factual. Like history, science etc. I dont think Netflix, Amazon has any shows matching those criteria. So i normally stay away. So I mostly rely on foreign networks for it (ITV, BBC, Sky, ABC etc).

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Netflix definitely seem to do better TV than films. I dont think Ive watched any of the original films that Id score any more favourably than average, whereas Ive enjoyed quite a few of the series, Stranger Things, Black Mirror (not strictly exclusive, or at least the first 2 seasons werent, but then Im still counting it) Glow, Jessica Jones, currently on season 2 of 13 Reasons Why etc. But then they seem to get a lot of decent older stuff that isnt exclusive but I still love. Mad Men, Gilmore Girls, Red Dwarf etc.

We do have Sky as well (for Westworld, Game of Thrones etc) and I pay for Amazon mainly for the fre next day delivery, but then I thonk Amazon also beats Netflix for film content. Not so much original stuff, but some good quality older stuff.

Agree with the issue that streaming is so reliant on your internet connection. For anything I cant find, I do have other streaming sources, and the other week, I just couldnt watch it because the internet was so bad. So we ended up on the Sky boxsets and watched something off there. Same the other week, I wanted to watch a tv show and the internet dropped so badly, none of my streaming sites would work! Luckily I had Twin Peaks saved on my Sky Q box so that did me!

Try a VPN. My internet company had no choice but to throttle me but after a few months behind a vpn It all seems to be working fine now. Oddly enough, Netflix has way more trouble navigating through the vpn than any other site. They are constantly spamming me to turn it off. I just keep hitting refresh until it goes through or I turn it off for a minute until it starts streaming, then I turn it back on.

I dont think it;s that, its just the connection we live. We are semi-rural, so sometimes the connection just drops. Mostly it runs just fine, and fast enough to run streams, online games on my Xbox etc. but we do occasionally just have days like that where every time you try and do something, the connection just keeps dipping.

I am not sure, since net neutrality got voted off, has it kicked in yet?



Damn stupid politicians! :mad:

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What do people think about Netflix's vice signaling with Trigger Warnning Productions at the start of their first blockbuster and now doing a Michael Bay project?

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It's...not a good look.

I think it is.

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what

Look at Disney Star Wars.

I've been watching a lot of Netflix lately.


I binge-watched Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, Stranger Things (1 and 2), and The People Vs. O.J. Simpson. I'm watching the Dave Letterman Interviews lately, and the stand-up specials, and that's not to mention the original movies.


Good stuff!

Yeah, and even at their worst they're still better than a company called Trigger Warning Entertainment building an action movie around an extremely clumsy and half-assed metaphor for race relations.

I saw it just as a backdrop not a metaphor and if we believe what Netflix said it worked out ****ing great.


Why cannot that name be picked. Art needs to bow down to whiners worshipping sacred cows?


Bright dominates The Last Jedi in every category.

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None of that makes it above criticism, though. It's still a badly-executed backdrop, there's no reason we should "believe" Netflix about audience numbers that can't be quantified by outside parties, and casually using a mental health term like "trigger warning" for the name of your tough-guy action movie company is in poor taste.

It probably intended to mock the people who misused it.


Some first time time streaming efforts did not get continued even if makes the streamer look bad like JCVD.

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Sure it is.

I agree with the sentiment that Netflix has failed the serious movie watcher, and that physical media is still a necessity. Though, I'm not going to complain too much, Netflix's current business strategy of throwing **** against a wall and seeing what sticks finally got The Irishman made. But Netflix is a great example of the current limitations/problems with a streaming service that eventually creates its own content. Not only do I think that physical media is still a necessity, but also the few mom and pop rental stores that are around are archives of culture.

I don't see anything wrong with it.

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Spielberg is going to try to convince the Academy to disqualify Netflix movies for awards consideration starting next year

I have a love/hate relationship with Netflix on this issue but with Roma at least they gave it a relatively decent run in actual theaters. Interesting to see what the Academy's board of governors decides on this, seems like an adapt or die kind of moment for them and the studios

Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there.

Anyway, back on topic, the Spielberg news is...a little disappointing, especially coming from a guy who got his start directing TV.

Perhaps the Academy should disqualify films with overly cute animatronic characters and happy dappy sappy endings;)

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The Academy will decide to favor it and then renege when there's a backlash.

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My question is, in this supposed Theatrical vs. Streaming WAR!!!!! how many people are actually choosing between the two just to take some ideological stance?

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Would a film like Roma even get made if it weren’t for Netflix?

Wouldn’t his suggestion hurt independent films too?

Hisory will tell that i was right.

Very disappointed on opening the thread to discover that Netflix has not in fact set up it's own country - this feels like a classic bait and switch to me :(

*This post is a non-serious one no need for anyone to go complaining to Steve about it.

That it's okay to mock sensitive people for no good reason? Between that and

I'd say you're doing a pretty good job of being wrong.

Context?


Tell me about all this huge last Jedi fandom that manifested itself recently.


I stand by Bright dominating Last Jedi.

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Even after taking into account how it divided opinions, Last Jedi fandom is part of the Star Wars fandom, one of the largest (if not the largest) fandoms in existence. Does Bright even have a fandom?

So you accused me and gave no context to said accusation.


Bright is okay. Last jedi is pretty much cancer on Star Wars. Bright reached it's objective, Last jedi did not.


As a movie Bright owns TLJ.

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These aren't super productive "arguments." If you wanna argue a case, cool, but just "this sucks" or "this owns" and "no it doesn't" are pointless responses.

By way of actually trying to advance a substantive discussion here: I think some of this is clearly hyperbole based on severe TLJ disappointment, because it's pretty tough to make a serious case that it isn't the superior film technically, at least.

The complaints about TLJ seem a lot saner and more reasonable when they bother to parse the things they disliked about it, as opposed to pretending its cinematography wasn't gorgeous because Luke wouldn't do such-and-such, even though they have no relationship to one another.

Also, let's not turn this into a TLJ thread. If you must discuss that (and what's happening so far sure isn't a discussion), there's a thread for it. Go right ahead, though only if you plan to expound a bit on the topic.

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I thought the context was obvious - based on comments in this thread, you apparently think that trigger warnings, a concept rooted in acknowledging other people's mental health issues, is something that's trivial at best and deserving of mockery at worst simply for no other reason that you are apparently aggrieved by "virtue signaling" (as implied by how you think "vice signaling" is a good thing). This suggests the kind of regressive social attitudes that should be left in the past, hence why I think that, yes, history's most likely going to prove you wrong on that front.

Bright is a hacky Alien Nation knock-off where the only objective seems to be producing a glorified B-movie about high fantasy buddy cops with some half-assed racism metaphor to give it the slightest illusion of depth - and it couldn't even get that right. Even if you believe Netflix saying it was popular (and there is good reason to question the legitimacy of their numbers), it's almost completely forgotten by now anyway - think this thread getting bumped is the first time I've even thought about it in six months. Last Jedi's objective is to do right by Star Wars as a whole while also trying to break new ground, and while it's not a perfect film, I'd say it succeeded at that objective.

He specifically said he thought it was mocking people who misuse the term. You can believe that or not, but there's really no point to arguments based on just assuming someone's position is different than the one they're actually articulating. That makes easy shooting of anything.

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Maybe so. That part still came later and reads like backpedaling after calling it a "good look", bringing up "Disney Star Wars" in what might just be a non sequitur but also reads as some kind of deliberate counterexample to prove that point, and complaining about "whiners worshipping sacred cows" - and then after I questioned the "maybe it's mocking misuse" line, they said "I see nothing wrong with it". If I'm assuming their position from any of this, it's only because of a serious lack of articulation.

I think we've had this exact conversation before, with the same ending (some variant of "what am I supposed to assume if they don't articulate more?"). So I'll give the same response: you don't actually have to assume anything. Least of all something explicitly at odds with one of the things said earlier.

This is as much an appeal to self-interest and efficacy as anything. This kind of logic rebounds badly, because it's the same thought process that theoretically allows someone to dismiss any thoughtful thing you might come up with as "virtue signaling." It's just a lose-lose posture. It's venting disguised as argument.

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Yeah, I suppose you're right. I just don't like to suffer this kind of foolishness, especially when it escalates into something absurd like defending Bright, but you make a good point about self-interest and efficacy. It's not like this is an effective use of my time anyway.

(still, who even repped them for that post)

Hmm, anti-Last Jedi? I wonder who.....


https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...87/255/5e9.gif

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He would be one of the usual suspects (sorry).

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Hell literally just froze over, and I see flying pigs, too.

Gandalf clearly listening to some sick beats.

.....Damn.

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THE STATE OF YERWAN RIGHT NOW!

:lol:

It was Satan.

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Netflix revenues in 2018: 15,794 million dollars
North American box office revenues in 2018: 11,892 million dollars

Given it's growth rate in a few years Netflix will be larger than the entire global film industry's box office (which is around 40 billion dollars). Is it surprising it is producing a lot of content? They are even helping to produce even a ton of anime shows.

https://infographic.statista.com/nor..._content_n.jpg

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Heard some other good thoughts about the "state of streaming" discussion.


Netflix has years and years of data mined from its base. When belt-tightening happens, they will be better prepared to zero in on the most profitable content to create. Also, they retain rights to a lot of content until the shows are cancelled. Until Grey's Anatomy is over (and how many other comps), it's on Netflix .


Disney+ is a lock because of the catalogue, but the real beast will be their bundle. How much will the Hulu/espn+/Disney+ bundle cost and when?



I can't wait. I know I don't need Disney, get espn content free on the internet and barely watch Netflix. Younger people (broad stroke here) watch youtube. How big of a bite is really there for Disney+, short of families?

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Netlfix is not worthing anymore, they can do whatever they want.

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I recently canceled my Netflix account after the first free month. There just aren't enough good movies on it to justify the expense.

Very few original shows like Ozark & something else I can’t think of are alright. But I agree it’s not worth it.

Still a great value for me, but then, I'm there for the shows as much as the movies. I think the big divide on value is twofold:

1) Do you find a decent number of shows vs. just movies, since a show you like can last you awhile.

2) Do you get Netflix with the expectation that you'll find lots of mainstream releases you've already heard of, instead of being content to "discover" things with it.

Anyway, I started this thread just under two years ago, so I might as well update the list I posted of shows I really liked:

The ones crossed out have either ended or being canceled (or in some cases, just indefinitely on hold, bordering on functional cancelation). And there's a few I'm not that interested in now. Went from 20 to basically half that, or less. Granted, some new stuff on the way to compensate (Locke and Key, for one), and some of the exclusive movies over the last year have been very good (The Irishman), but fair to say the number of great series on it is ebbing a bit from that high point.

Still, for < $14 a month it continues to be a no-brainer, for the amount I use it.

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The Brazilian Netflix has great selection of anime titles, way more than our local Amazon Prime Video. Netflix is basically making Japanese pop culture popular again.

Actually the quality differences of physical media for film compared to streaming are MUCH clearer than for Vinyl vs CD's or streaming. You look at UHD BR's for example and the bitrate of those releases is often 4-5 times higher than typical streaming, indeed the bitrate of HD BR's is significantly higher than UHD streaming let alone HD streaming.

The result is most noticeble in darker scenes/sections of the frame were streaming is a lot more prone to artefacts like banding which you don't need to be a videophile to spot.

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I still collect DVDs, and may do so until the medium is virtually gone. There's nothing more permanent to me than owning that as a physical copy, where as with streaming services, it could go at any moment despite all the money and time paid into it.

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That's true for purchasing digital copies, yeah, though I think of that differently than I do purchasing monthly subscriptions for streaming. Netflix doesn't do the former, at least not yet.

To me, my dvd collection is priceless & I intend to keep adding to it.

I only buy one month of Netflix a year, and usually I don’t pay anything because it’s a free trial.

I abhor Netflix and their politics.

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⬆️ I love Netflix.

I must admit I've grown to live Netflix recently since the lockdown began. There is certainly a lot of crap on there but a few gems too.

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Is Neflix's DVD.Com still offering their DVDs in the mail service? I would think with Covid-19 that service might have been put on hold.

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Yes, they do still mail discs.

Oh wow, I did t know they still did that! How much does it cost for the dvds?

I use to have 1 DVD at a time plan and it was like $8 a month. For a few dollars more you can have 2 DVDs or even 3 DVDs out at one time. The good thing about the DVD plan is they have a LOT of movie titles that aren't available through their streaming plan. Assuming you're in the USA. Outside of the USA I don't think they have the DVD in the mail option. It's a subsidiary of Neflix called DVD.Com

Strangely enough, my DVDs are arriving sooner these days.

Very true. I have 112 movies in my queue & I doubt there are more than 1 or 2 that can be streamed.

I repped this cuz I though it was a pretty good post. :laugh:. This is my post from page 2. Word for word! :laugh:

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Ah, never caught the copy spammer at the time. Thanks, will zap.