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Mr_TagoMago 08-04-17 11:50 PM

Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Sorry if this is a dumb thread or in the wrong place but I found this film really disapointing. It started off mezmerizing but quickly started to feel like a tv movie on life time. Maybe it was on purpose but Naomi's character felt really campy as well as certain others but I felt almost no interest in the sections based around the two female leads (alsothe lesbian scene felt forced and like something from a softcore porn flick). Actually I was much more engaged in the parts surrounding the director. The scenes with with bim like where he caught his wife cheating or when he meets the Cowboy were pure gold ^^ That said the movie played out like a thriller with psychological elements and the main thing that kept me watching was curiosity to see how things would connect (plus i wanted to see why it was called Lynch's masterpiece). In the end though it went from being somewhat grounded in reality to an abstract mess leaving me confused and utterly unsatisfied.

Now understand I like surrealism and i dont always mind being confused but the biggest issue is I mostly felt bored and feel no motivation to rewatch this film and get a better idea on what happened and what everything meant. I much prefered Lynch's more normal film The elephant man as well as his earlier piece of nightmare fuel Eraserhead. For surrealsim I think The Holy mountain, Fear and loathing in las vegas, Possession, and The hourglass Sanitarium are better films than Mullholand dr.

Camo 08-05-17 12:01 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Thanks for the Lynch Club Thread :)

Mr_TagoMago 08-05-17 12:09 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Originally Posted by Camo (Post 1748185)
If you isolate the lesbian love story it's the most distressing thing ever. Reminds me of thinking of the small things in Perfect Blue.

I don't think much gets under my skin as much as this cryptically told (as if it may not even be real and if it is it's barely a memory despite how intense it is) broken relationship, it's like Eternal Sunshine except instead of forgetting a person with miniscule memories you have intense stabbing memories that hurt to watch.

Well i'm rabbling, i dunno this film does alot for me.
I think I get what you're talking about, though ive never seen Perfect blue or Eternal Sunshine of the spotless mind. Now I feel a desire to finally see The Truman Show though.

Cynema De Bergerac 08-05-17 12:13 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
http://awardswatch.com/forums/images...s/EbertWTF.jpg

Mr_TagoMago 08-05-17 12:18 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
What about Mr Ebert?

Cynema De Bergerac 08-05-17 12:40 AM

"In the end though it went from being somewhat grounded in reality to an abstract mess leaving me confused and utterly unsatisfied."

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aEtm69mLK6w/hqdefault.jpg

Cynema De Bergerac 08-05-17 12:42 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Dude, check out 'Inland Empire.' You'll love it!

Mr_TagoMago 08-05-17 12:43 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Are you saying it didnt become more abstract towards the end? Maybe i worded what i wanted to say poorly but id apreciate words over images.

Mr_TagoMago 08-05-17 12:46 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Originally Posted by Cynema De Bergerac (Post 1748202)
Dude, check out 'Inland Empire.' You'll love it!
Ive heard its Lynchs most experimental and seems to be his most divisive. That interests me but its 3 hours long and after being disapointed here it might be a while before i make the effort.

Joel 08-05-17 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1748206)
Ive heard its Lynchs most experimental and seems to be his most divisive. That interests me but its 3 hours long and after being disapointed here it might be a while before i make the effort.
Yeah, Cynema is a huge Lynch fan so consider that Nic Cage image his way of using the claw end of a hammer on you. :p

Mr_TagoMago 08-05-17 01:10 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Originally Posted by Joel (Post 1748211)
Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1748206)
Ive heard its Lynchs most experimental and seems to be his most divisive. That interests me but its 3 hours long and after being disapointed here it might be a while before i make the effort.
Yeah, Cynema is a huge Lynch fan so consider that Nic Cage image his way of using the claw end of a hammer on you. :p
Lol! I thought maybe i just worded my post poorly. Im often poor at articulating what I want to say (probably due to being autistic). I havent seen enough Lynch to judge him but The Elephant man is my favorite that ive seen though probably more because of Hurt than anything else ^^

Joel 08-05-17 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1748213)
Lol! I thought maybe i just worded my post poorly. Im often poor at articulating what I want to say (probably due to being autistic). I havent seen enough Lynch to judge him but The Elephant man is my favorite that ive seen though probably more because of Hurt than anything else ^^
I recommend Blue Velvet. The story is cohesive front to back and the surrealist element is still in full swing except you should be able to handle the eccentricities as just being artistic license. It's a beautiful and nasty film and in my opinion his very best work, like, ever.

Mr_TagoMago 08-05-17 02:58 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Originally Posted by Joel (Post 1748233)
Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1748213)
Lol! I thought maybe i just worded my post poorly. Im often poor at articulating what I want to say (probably due to being autistic). I havent seen enough Lynch to judge him but The Elephant man is my favorite that ive seen though probably more because of Hurt than anything else ^^
I recommend Blue Velvet. The story is cohesive front to back and the surrealist element is still in full swing except you should be able to handle the eccentricities as just being artistic license. It's a beautiful and nasty film and in my opinion his very best work, like, ever.
Yeah that would be the next Lynch film I watch. Again I like surrealism I just feel Mulholland dr wanting to see everything tie together was the main thing that kept me invested so the abstract ending felt more like an f you than something the film was intentionally building up to. I am aware though Lynch originally concieved the film with the possibility of being a mini series. I feel that probably wouldve worked better im9.

The Gunslinger45 08-05-17 03:43 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Lynch is a cult director who makes film with his unique brand of surrealism. He is never going to be mainstream with a wide audience, but his fans love him. And I am a die hard Lynch fan. I find that Mulholland Drive is his masterpiece since it is the perfect blend of his unique surrealism with a more traditional narrative.

Also one does not watch a Lynch movie and understand it right out 100% (save the Elephant Man and The Straight Story). Everything else will require more then one viewing to truly appreciate the film. It did for me for both Mulholland Drive and Eraserhead in particular.

Mr_TagoMago 08-05-17 05:28 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Originally Posted by The Gunslinger45 (Post 1748250)
Lynch is a cult director who makes film with his unique brand of surrealism. He is never going to be mainstream with a wide audience, but his fans love him. And I am a die hard Lynch fan. I find that Mulholland Drive is his masterpiece since it is the perfect blend of his unique surrealism with a more traditional narrative.

Also one does not watch a Lynch movie and understand it right out 100% (save the Elephant Man and The Straight Story). Everything else will require more then one viewing to truly appreciate the film. It did for me for both Mulholland Drive and Eraserhead in particular.
I'd actually say as far as surrealist directors go hes pretty mainstream compared to say Alejandro Jodorowsky, Andrzej Żuławski, or even Luis Buñuel. Eraserhead was easy to apreciate on first viewing imo.

What do you think of Blue Velvet, and Inland Empire?

The Gunslinger45 08-05-17 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1748269)
I'd actually say as far as surrealist directors go hes pretty mainstream compared to say Alejandro Jodorowsky, Andrzej Żuławski, or even Luis Buñuel. Eraserhead was easy to apreciate on first viewing imo.

What do you think of Blue Velvet, and Inland Empire?
Yeah but even a surrealist director is hardly gonna be mainstream. Though I will give you Jodorwosky as another cult director (and certainly not as talked about as much as Lynch). Then again I was not a particular fan of El Topo or The Holy Mountain, though he does have his fans on this forum too.

Inland Empire was by far his most out there and surreal work.

Blue Velvet is just pure ****ing brilliance. Used to be my favorite Lynch before Mulholland Drive too that title.

rambond 08-05-17 05:54 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
well sorry it is a dumb thread lol because its a classic film , probably will go down as the best hollywood satire in cinema history, the dreaded intriguing feeling lets u feel the misery that the characters are in, its the ultimate depiction of LA movie stars when they go away from the spotlight and the david lynch depicts the story is second to none? an absolute joy ride of a film.

Mr_TagoMago 08-05-17 06:08 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Originally Posted by The Gunslinger45 (Post 1748271)
Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1748269)
I'd actually say as far as surrealist directors go hes pretty mainstream compared to say Alejandro Jodorowsky, Andrzej Żuławski, or even Luis Buñuel. Eraserhead was easy to apreciate on first viewing imo.

What do you think of Blue Velvet, and Inland Empire?
Yeah but even a surrealist director is hardly gonna be mainstream. Though I will give you Jodorwosky as another cult director (and certainly not as talked about as much as Lynch). Then again I was not a particular fan of El Topo or The Holy Mountain, though he does have his fans on this forum too.

Inland Empire was by far his most out there and surreal work.

Blue Velvet is just pure ****ing brilliance. Used to be my favorite Lynch before Mulholland Drive too that title.
I feel urged to watch Inland Empire but im intimidated. Id hate to waste 3 hours but i could very well love it.

Mr_TagoMago 08-05-17 06:12 AM

Re: Why is Mulholland dr considered a masterpiece?
 
Originally Posted by rambond (Post 1748273)
well sorry it is a dumb thread lol because its a classic film , probably will go down as the best hollywood satire in cinema history, the dreaded intriguing feeling lets u feel the misery that the characters are in, its the ultimate depiction of LA movie stars when they go away from the spotlight and the david lynch depicts the story is second to none? an absolute joy ride of a film.
I find this paragraph to be quite Lynchian in nature.

The Gunslinger45 08-05-17 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_TagoMago (Post 1748276)
I feel urged to watch Inland Empire but im intimidated. Id hate to waste 3 hours but i could very well love it.
Inland should be eased into. It was actually the last Lynch film I watched. I suggest Blue Velvet, Eraserhead, and Lost Highway first.


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