MCU Movies = for kids?
So, I generally like superhero movies. I really liked Logan, I really liked the Dark Knight Trilogy, I liked V for Vendetta, I liked some X-Men movies, etc...
Naturally, I would really like to enjoy the enormous amount of movies made as part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Especially due to the absolutely mad critical reception and fan reception they receive... However, when I watch the movies, I can't help but feel that I'm watching children's movies. There is basically no story and there is very limited wisdom behind the story there is. This, of course, wouldn't be a problem if I found the movie entertaining in other ways. For example, if I liked the action. But the action is extremely censored and nonbrutal, I feel like watching one of those old Ninja Turtle cartoons in which they jump toward their enemies, swords raised, only to kick the enemy so it doesn't become too brutal with lost limbs... What's more, I like a good fantasy fight, I don't mind the wild fights in Matrix, the wars in Lord of the Rings, the duels in Star Wars, etc... But this all just seems too chaotic. Big green guy jumping around, guy growing and shrinking, guy with wings, guy with arrows, blue latex guy with a shield, flying robot armor guy, etc... It's so chaotic that it feels damn near insulting to me. As if to make kids think "wooow, all of the superheroes are going wild at once!!" (by wild, they basically mean "as violent as a cartoon")... What's more, the jokes are bad and the dialogue is... well... non-interesting? The villains are boring, there is very limited character development and it feels like one big insult to the viewers. Now, I do not know of any educated or mature people (except one) who enjoy these movies, but they're rated extremely high by both critics and fans, so yeah... What's your take on this? BTW; looking forward to Venom, R-rated is the way to go. |
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I'm not the biggest fanboy of MCU films, but I don't think they deserve such disparaging remarks. Occasionally, I find memorable bits of creativity thrown into the action sequences. For example, the climatic bridge fight in Thor: Ragnarok, which also featured Led Zeppelin's The Immigrant Song, felt exhilarating, fresh, and made think, "Wow, that must have took some balls to pull off." But here's the kicker: without the financial security an MCU entry brings, that scene would have probably been scrapped. So while MCU films can be a bit inane at times, I think they are a great outlet for talented writers and directors.
One more thing: I actually think the need for a family-friendly atmosphere leads to creative and funny set pieces. Writers can't just gruesomely kill off a character, so they let Hulk bash Loki into a building floor multiple times, for example. Batman v. Superman, on the other hand, felt tiresome. Why? Because while the film is more 'mature', it lacked the joy a film about, I dunno, Batman fighting Superman could have potentially brought. |
Originally Posted by Gatsby (Post 1930619)
I'm not the biggest fanboy of MCU films, but I don't think they deserve such disparaging remarks. Occasionally, I find memorable bits of creativity thrown into the action sequences. For example, the climatic bridge fight in Thor: Ragnarok, which also featured Led Zeppelin's The Immigrant Song, felt exhilarating, fresh, and made think, "Wow, that must have took some balls to pull off." But here's the kicker: without the financial security an MCU entry brings, that scene would have probably been scrapped. So while MCU films can be a bit inane at times, I think they are a great outlet for talented writers and directors.
One more thing: I actually think the need for a family-friendly atmosphere leads to creative and funny set pieces. Writers can't just gruesomely kill off a character, so they let Hulk bash Loki into a building floor multiple times, for example. Batman v. Superman, on the other hand, felt tiresome. Why? Because while the film is more 'mature', it lacked the joy a film about, I dunno, Batman fighting Superman could have potentially brought. I think Logan and the Dark Knight are examples that MCU should (hopefully) learn from in the future. Seen the Daredevil Netflix series? It's a great series and I hope that MCU will keep making such content later on (Iron Fist and, to a lesser degree Luke Cage and Jessica Jones, was quite a drastic fall from Daredevil's glory)... |
Originally Posted by Morton Belgram (Post 1930617)
the action is extremely censored and nonbrutal,
WARNING: spoilers below
…and its Magneto v Apocalypse battle – I wanted it to be a lot more violent and dynamic, as briefly entertaining as it was. However I do get the idea that Erik's powers come from sitting between two emotional extremes, which seems to be why Michael Fassbender often plays him in that quite detached-looking state.
Originally Posted by Morton Belgram (Post 1930617)
BTW; looking forward to Venom, R-rated is the way to go.
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Originally Posted by Morton Belgram (Post 1930623)
I think Logan and the Dark Knight are examples that MCU should (hopefully) learn from in the future. Seen the Daredevil Netflix series? It's a great series and I hope that MCU will keep making such content later on (Iron Fist and, to a lesser degree Luke Cage and Jessica Jones, was quite a drastic fall from Daredevil's glory)...
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Re: MCU Movies = for kids?
I'd say they're for everyone, which makes them generally less interesting than cinema that isn't work shopped and means tested and carefully calculated. Winter Soldier is my favorite precisely because it appeals to my specific upbringing with 90s action flicks and pays homage to a bygone genre. I think kids overwhelming enjoy Marvel mostly because they haven't been exposed to alternatives.
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Originally Posted by Gatsby (Post 1930630)
Unfortunately I haven't seen the Daredevil series; I am admittedly not too keen on TV. I might check it out sometime, though I do have prejudice against heroes with an unappealing name and goofy aesthetic.
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Re: MCU Movies = for kids?
Disney does have a target audience...
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Originally Posted by SeeingisBelieving (Post 1930629)
One of the things I was slightly disappointed by in X-Men: First Class was the sanitised violence in the South America scene. The earlier scene in the bank held back a lot less. Sometimes I do think if Erik's angry then let him be angry. I could say the same about X-Men Apocalypse:
WARNING: spoilers below
…and its Magneto v Apocalypse battle – I wanted it to be a lot more violent and dynamic, as briefly entertaining as it was. However I do get the idea that Erik's powers come from sitting between two emotional extremes, which seems to be why Michael Fassbender often plays him in that quite detached-looking state.
Me too – I like the look of it :). And I think Tom Hardy's going to add a great deal to its success. And yeah, Venom is exciting. Just the kind of superhero movie we need. |
Originally Posted by Morton Belgram (Post 1930657)
I really liked Xmen 1, Xmen 2, The Wolverine (the Japan one, not the origin story) and most of all Logan. I could actually take them seriously, as just straight out good movies, not just "good for superhero movies". But the rest of the Xmen movies just didn't capture me in the same way... The Quicksilver slowmotion scenes, the Beast's weird look (Mystique was forgivable), etc., it was just not as good an experience as the previous ones and the Wolverine/Logan.
And yeah, Venom is exciting. Just the kind of superhero movie we need. They lost me with Days of Future Past – too much science fiction too soon I think. It didn't seem like the film that should have followed First Class, which I really liked. |
Re: MCU Movies = for kids?
For illegit normies, yes.
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One thing I don't understand is how come everyone hates the 2003 Daredevil movie? I thought it was a decent and perhaps better than average superhero movie, and do not understand all the hate it gets.
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Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 1930780)
One thing I don't understand is how come everyone hates the 2003 Daredevil movie? I thought it was a decent and perhaps better than average superhero movie, and do not understand all the hate it gets.
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Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 1930780)
One thing I don't understand is how come everyone hates the 2003 Daredevil movie? I thought it was a decent and perhaps better than average superhero movie, and do not understand all the hate it gets.
The hatred is gets is ridicolous, especially when you consider that certain Marvel movies are met with love despite being far worse than Daredevil... Spider-Man Homecoming, anyone? |
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I think Marvel movies have taken a dive with the MCU actually, because superheroes are interesting when the story can concentrate solely on them and their stories. By throwing a whole group into the pot and just keep adding more and more characters, the quality suffers I feel and the last great Marvel movie was probably the first Iron Man in my opinion. There was a little MCU in there which could have been taken out, but it wasn't much.
The Amazing Spider-man was (2012), was pretty good as well, and even though it gets a lot of bashing, at least it was a straight up superhero story on it's own, without any MCU in it. |
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The best superhero film is The Toxic Avenger :)
Or if I had to go with an actual comic book based superhero film id go with Tim Burtons Batman films. I liked tge Sam Rami Spiderman moview when I was younger but I doubt id be impressed ifI watched them again. Most of these MCU films just bore me. |
Originally Posted by Morton Belgram (Post 1930617)
So, I generally like superhero movies. I really liked Logan, I really liked the Dark Knight Trilogy, I liked V for Vendetta, I liked some X-Men movies, etc...
However, when I watch the movies, I can't help but feel that I'm watching children's movies. There is basically no story and there is very limited wisdom behind the story there is. This, of course, wouldn't be a problem if I found the movie entertaining in other ways. For example, if I liked the action. But the action is extremely censored and nonbrutal, I feel like watching one of those old Ninja Turtle cartoons in which they jump toward their enemies, swords raised, only to kick the enemy so it doesn't become too brutal with lost limbs... What's more, I like a good fantasy fight, I don't mind the wild fights in Matrix, the wars in Lord of the Rings, the duels in Star Wars, etc... But this all just seems too chaotic. Big green guy jumping around, guy growing and shrinking, guy with wings, guy with arrows, blue latex guy with a shield, flying robot armor guy, etc... It's so chaotic that it feels damn near insulting to me. As if to make kids think "wooow, all of the superheroes are going wild at once!!" (by wild, they basically mean "as violent as a cartoon")...
What's more, the jokes are bad and the dialogue is... well... non-interesting? The villains are boring, there is very limited character development and it feels like one big insult to the viewers.
Now, I do not know of any educated or mature people (except one) who enjoy these movies, but they're rated extremely high by both critics and fans, so yeah... What's your take on this?
BTW; looking forward to Venom, R-rated is the way to go.
I think Logan and the Dark Knight are examples that MCU should (hopefully) learn from in the future. Seen the Daredevil Netflix series? It's a great series and I hope that MCU will keep making such content later on (Iron Fist and, to a lesser degree Luke Cage and Jessica Jones, was quite a drastic fall from Daredevil's glory)...
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From my own point of view, The MCU is really a mix.
Yes, they are high-production glossy, colourful CGI kids movies. And I can see the OP's point on how the violence is toned back to the TMNT thing he mentioned. I can see that... ... but, there are scenes that are a bit more than just kid friendly. They have death, destruction, and there are scenes with limbs being ripped off... albeit with the actual removal of limbs being off-camera. The whole point being: If you show the head, arm, leg, whatever, being removed in slow motion and in extreme close up, you may as well stick to watching crap like Hostel or one of the 27,000 Saw sequels. There's been a couple miss-hits. Thor Ragnarok is super fun, but is basically a remake of Guardians Of The Galaxy... and the first two Thor movies were weak as hell. Black Panther was boring. The Incredible Hulk was a CGI mess and Edward Norton is a total tool as well. The rest though I will say, are cleverly toned, and, apart from a couple continuity issues they're very well written to intertwine with each other and lead into Infinity War. Which is the whole point of the MCU. They work together, and lead to bigger things. Not a fan, but after giving them a go, yeah, I do like them... and the series in itself made movie history, which I respect. |
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I don't get why a lot of moviegoers want R rated Marvel movies.
An R movie that is based off a comic book movie for KIDS, is like having a PG-13 Sesame Street movie. |
I think I get what he's saying about an R rating being a good choice for Venom because he's been a violent character and not for kids though he started in Spider-Man comics, which have normally been for all ages. The same could apply to Wolverine, who has claws for weapons.
But I think there's been too much of a push for "realistic" violence in superhero movies and comics when that's not what superheroes are about. If you like that sort of thing, there are other movies that have it. I think "The Amazing Spider-Man" and "Daredevil" are better than they've been credit, too. |
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