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the.dudermensch 06-27-19 08:29 PM

Before you see the new Tarantino movie
 
Top 10 Reasons why Charles Manson is Fake:

10. The trial was a media circus lasting a year, with gross violations:

-Manson wasn't on the scene at either of the killings instead he was
essentially found guilty of remote mind control.
-President Nixon's involvment should have forced a mistrial and Bugliosi (the prosecutor) met privately with Manson DURING the trail.
-The Helter Skelter story (Bugliosi's bestselling book) was plagiarized from the story of Krishna Venta. Ed Butler was fronting the same race-war propaganda before Bugliosi was.
-High profile JFK/RFK lawyers are involved along with documented/declassified MK-Ultra institutions .
-The defense rested without calling a single witness.

9. 25 finger prints around the crime scene were never identified along with the pair of eye glasses. The gun used was found by an 11 yo and was put into evidence for 3.5 months, then an identical gun in evidence before the police remembered they had the first. They discarded the second and went with the original which was a prop from an old Ronald Reagan western.

8. Manson had a spook for a parole officer. Dr. Roger Smith who was not a parole officer at all. He was a research criminologist known as "the friendly fed" working at the Haight-Ashbury free clinic. The clinic was funded in part by the Folger family (the step mother of victim Abigail) and the Merrill Trust which is on the list of CIA fronts. The "Manson Family" was being studied and written about before hand, Manson an ex-con on parole, was arrested repeatedly without consequences (including rape).

7. Manson was given a Hollywood facility, the Spahn Ranch, to operate his sex/drug commune (plus the Barker Ranch as well) and the police were warned to leave Manson alone as testified in court.

6. Dozens of high profile interviews with Manson from prison including Charlie Rose, Tom Snyder, Diane Sawyer, Geraldo...where he is wearing jewelry, long beards, long hair, sunglasses! and is entirely unrestrained and dominating the interview or in a straight jacket. The constant media reinforcement of the Manson mythos for decades is evidence of the agenda. Manson is releasing music, audio tapes, and books from prison and so are the other 5 convicts. Interview where they are wearing makeup and street clothes, some producing and starring in films (Bobby Beausoliel) others having children from maximum security prison (Tex Watson had 4).

5. Lynette Squeaky Fromme was a drama major at the suspicious El Camino College and had previously dated Doors manager Bill Gibbons. She starred in the "Manson family" films from the Spahn Ranch and was a media darling during the trial. Then a couple years later: she staged the assassination of President Ford in a Phrygian hat, and then she escaped from prison in 1987.

4. A black propaganda illumninati/satanic film called: Mondo Hollywood was released 2 years earlier (1967) and it is predictive programming/psychic driving for the end of the hippies. It features the convicted Manson killer Bobby Beausoliel (the 3rd alleged murder of Gary Hinman) and the alleged victim Jay Sebring (real name: Thomas Kummer) has a whole segemtn dedicated to him. Also featuring is Angela Landsbury (as "Minerva") who in RL had her children join "mr. manson's ministry" also future Governor of California Mike Curb and Vito Paulakas who is the brother-in-law to Winston Rockefeller and an impossible litany of superstars and royalty with scenes like Paul Newman flirting with Queen Margaret and witnessing the controlled opposition at John Birch meetings. This rated X film which was banned in many countries. It preaches sex, psychedelics, hippie rock, and open satanism! directly from the deranged illuminati elites. Beware it is full mk-ultra psyOP violence and at one point the narrator says "we want turn the whole world into Hollywood" and then he says they are going to use "horror" to do it. This actor narrating the scene is aka Ted Charach (who also does voice overs for homosexual porn) can be found a few years later pretending to be an independent journalist discovering conspiracy research about who really killed RFK (The Second Gun) and too much evidence to list that this is CIA made. Both found on YT.

3. Manson was associated with spooks, famous criminals, and high profile lawyers even BEFORE being released in 1967…evidence that he was groomed, trained and funded to play his role, knowing that he would return to "prison" where he would receive special status and privileges (when actually there) for the rest of his life as long as he played the part. This is the logical explanation.

2. The Social Security Death Index does not list any of the Tate/La Bianca victims as dead in 1969...except for Leon LaBianca who was in debt to the mafia.

1. The 1960's counter-culture was engineered by intelligence agencies/secret societies, including the manufacture and distribution of psychedelics (causing hyper-suggestibility) while simultaneously developing the fashion, media, superstars, and messages. Timothy Leary (admitted CIA) was placed in the prison cell next to Manson before he escaped with the help of The Weather Underground. Leary admits working for the CIA. The end of the 60's is attributed to the Manson massacres (the day the music died) and this was on the week preceding Woodstock. Lesson to the world: this is what happens to hippie communes who turn on, tune in. and drop out. Altamont was also part of this.



---All the worlds a stage--- appears to be the agenda on this planet. This linked video below contains audio clips from Mae Brussell (radio show in the 70's) documenting many of the anomalies with pertinent images and documentation included. And now we have a superbudget Tarantino movie, with the biggest actors possible. And there is also a new Mondo Hollywood being released which I won't be assaulted by anytime soon. The propaganda is far more powerful than we ever imagine
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see the video on YT


/watch?v=b5t2yGPSNTg

Citizen Rules 06-27-19 09:54 PM

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Miss Vicky 06-27-19 10:29 PM

Re: Before you see the new Tarantino movie
 
You know the movie isn't about Charles Manson, right?

MijaFrost 06-28-19 03:06 AM

Re: Before you see the new Tarantino movie
 
I don't understand the original post. Are you saying that the "cult" Charles Manson was involved in was funded by Hollywood, and that he was put in prison so that other members of the cult could continue doing their thing undiscovered?

I wouldn't doubt that weird stuff goes down amongst millionaire celebrities and influencers and CEOs and company owners, etc., but it's probably best not to wonder about it too much...

Holden Pike 06-28-19 05:31 AM

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SFMZone 06-28-19 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by the.dudermensch (Post 2020786)
Top 10 Reasons why Charles Manson is Fake:
see the video on YT


/watch?v=b5t2yGPSNTg
I clicked on your link above, but nothing happens.

Yoda 06-28-19 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2020796)
I was going to reply, but I'm not going to be able to improve on this.

the.dudermensch 06-28-19 08:52 PM

Re: Before you see the new Tarantino movie
 
Originally Posted by MijaFrost (Post 2020820)
I don't understand the original post. Are you saying that the "cult" Charles Manson was involved in was funded by Hollywood, and that he was put in prison so that other members of the cult could continue doing their thing undiscovered?

I wouldn't doubt that weird stuff goes down amongst millionaire celebrities and influencers and CEOs and company owners, etc., but it's probably best not to wonder about it too much...
Not quite, what I am saying is this is an agenda to create a mythology. Charles Manson and the unibomber and timothy mcveigh are invented to create laws and narratives for repression

the.dudermensch 06-28-19 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by SFMZone (Post 2020839)
I clicked on your link above, but nothing happens.
Its not a link, paste that the standard YT address with the normal preceding characters

Yoda 06-28-19 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by the.dudermensch (Post 2020977)
Not quite, what I am saying is this is an agenda to create a mythology. Charles Manson and the unibomber and timothy mcveigh are invented to create laws and narratives for repression
So the dead people's families are in on it or...?

The Rodent 06-28-19 09:19 PM

Re: Before you see the new Tarantino movie
 
I was watching Ancient Aliens with Giorgio Tsoukalos the other day and he said the only way the Loch Ness Monster could exist, a creature of that size for such a long time, in such a small lake... is if was an alien... using alien cloaking devices and alien food replicators like in Star Trek.


After reading this thread... I now believe.

Stirchley 06-28-19 09:36 PM

Wonder how long it took the op to type all that.

The Rodent 06-28-19 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2020984)
Wonder how long it took the op to type all that.


Must be aliens if you can't figure it out.

Chypmunk 06-29-19 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 2020984)
Wonder how long it took the op to type all that.
Far, far, far longer than it did for me not to bother reading beyond the opening few words I reckon :)

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going back to my bowl of these:
http://www.everythingcounts.com/Talk...s/ec-loops.jpg

the.dudermensch 06-29-19 08:43 PM

Re: Before you see the new Tarantino movie
 
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2020979)
So the dead people's families are in on it or...?
Both Tate and Ffolger's fathers were high level military intelligence, check wikipedia. Mansons father was also a Army Colonel.

Yoda 06-29-19 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by the.dudermensch (Post 2021072)
Both Tate and Ffolger's fathers were high level military intelligence, check wikipedia. Mansons father was also a Army Colonel.
Leaving aside how comically inadequate it is to just cite military connections as a reason to disbelieve everything they say (and have maintained for decades, amazingly), this applies to just two victims out of more than half a dozen, if I recall correctly. So I'm afraid you'll need a glib, superficial reason to disbelieve those families, too, at minimum.

Captain Steel 06-29-19 10:51 PM

Re: Before you see the new Tarantino movie
 
Manson killed Kennedy.

the.dudermensch 07-02-19 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2021077)
Leaving aside how comically inadequate it is to just cite military connections as a reason to disbelieve everything they say (and have maintained for decades, amazingly), this applies to just two victims out of more than half a dozen, if I recall correctly. So I'm afraid you'll need a glib, superficial reason to disbelieve those families, too, at minimum.

I like getting responses like this because it is a rational intelligent argument. Am I really saying that all the people involved are complicit and keeping an impossible secret? Just because military intel is involved I am jumping to wild conclusions? Well...first of all there are pre-requisites for even considering such a implausible scenario. Outrageous claims requires outrageous proof. So clearly you still think it must be possible for modern skyscrapers to fall like controlled demolitions and ignore 100's of other anomalies, like missing trillions and insider trading...and you might think there is no precedent for such a enoromous hoax. But don't you find it just a mild bit interesting that the original astronauts (and astronauts to come for 4 decades) stated over and over as fact that: the stars are not visible in space. /watch?v=A3rhjJfRMec
And if you actually fact check it, and see who is saying what, you can see they are lying about the moon landings, no question, 100%. And because the lies are so huge every person must actually use their reason and logic (if they can) do come to these conclusions, and that takes time and work and has all sorts of punishments associated. So I suggest downloading the video anonymously with a service like youTUBnow.com.


Anyhow, I doubt anyone has actually read carefully what I wrote or even watched my video, even if you have you would have to fact check it and not believe anything.As a reward I will probably die young and alone with no friends but without the truth we are slaves anyway. One factoid I didn't even include in any of my analysis is the last photos of manson, which is clearly not him. Compare his last photos with the real manson at his parole hearing in 2012, (I would post links but it won't allow me to do that)

Yoda 07-02-19 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by the.dudermensch (Post 2021552)
I like getting responses like this because it is a rational intelligent argument.
Thanks. Yes, I imagine most people just mock it. I kind of understand that, too, though, for reasons I'll explain later in this post.

Originally Posted by the.dudermensch (Post 2021552)
Am I really saying that all the people involved are complicit and keeping an impossible secret? Just because military intel is involved I am jumping to wild conclusions? Well...first of all there are pre-requisites for even considering such a implausible scenario. Outrageous claims requires outrageous proof. So clearly you still think it must be possible for modern skyscrapers to fall like controlled demolitions and ignore 100's of other anomalies, like missing trillions and insider trading...and you might think there is no precedent for such a enoromous hoax.
Yeah, I've had arguments with people about the "controlled" demolition 9/11 stuff, and against my better judgment I've actually educated myself about why it's wrong. More importantly, I've found most conspiracy theorists have never even heard the more technical explanations, which means they can spend hours watching YouTube videos with ominous background music but can't be bothered to spend 30 seconds Googling the debunking.

And that by itself is usually a reason (the first reason, alluded to above) not to bother responding with rationality or intelligence: because if somebody's skepticism is so highly focused, and contains such massive blind spots, then the only reasonable conclusion is that they believe in the conspiracy for emotional reasons and won't respond to rational arguments. They much adopt the cloak of rationality and skepticism, but if they were really after the truth, they would be intimately familiar with pretty much every substantive counterargument already. They almost never are.

It also isn't helping that I asked a simple question and, though you expressed some appreciation for it, you actually invoked another, completely unrelated conspiracy before even attempting to answer it. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

Originally Posted by the.dudermensch (Post 2021552)
But don't you find it just a mild bit interesting that the original astronauts (and astronauts to come for 4 decades) stated over and over as fact that: the stars are not visible in space. /watch?v=A3rhjJfRMec
Aaaaand now we have another conspiracy invoked, apropos of nothing, in lieu of a response to the question.

Originally Posted by the.dudermensch (Post 2021552)
And if you actually fact check it, and see who is saying what, you can see they are lying about the moon landings, no question, 100%.
Ya' know, I wasn't convinced when you said "no question," random dude on the Internet, but then you said "100%" and I, being a sensible numerate person, know that percentages can't get higher than that. So now I'm convinced.

If you want more serious responses, sticking to the topic, and not bothering to make "arguments" that are just sheer insistence and repetition, would probably go a long way towards getting them.

Originally Posted by the.dudermensch (Post 2021552)
And because the lies are so huge every person must actually use their reason and logic (if they can) do come to these conclusions, and that takes time and work and has all sorts of punishments associated. So I suggest downloading the video anonymously with a service like youTUBnow.com.
And here's the second reason not to respond seriously: the sheer tonnage of material conspiracy theorists force people to sift through in order to have a conversation. If you want to make an argument, make it. Summarize it. Distill it to its most important points. Don't just try to get me off your back by giving me highly curated documentaries or books.

Originally Posted by the.dudermensch (Post 2021552)
Anyhow, I doubt anyone has actually read carefully what I wrote or even watched my video, even if you have you would have to fact check it and not believe anything.
See above. If I link you into articles, videos, and essays, are you prepared to delve into them and address them point by point? Nevermind that, again, you should have seen most of them already, if your skepticism is genuine and not selectively applied.

Originally Posted by the.dudermensch (Post 2021552)
One factoid I didn't even include in any of my analysis is the last photos of manson, which is clearly not him.
You must realize what a bad argument this is. If you don't then there's little point in continuing.

Also, we appear to have come to the end of your post, and you somehow managed to write several hundred words without addressing the question you were apparently appreciative of. That seems telling.

the.dudermensch 07-03-19 11:21 PM

Well, as I have detailed the Manson psyop to the best of my ability here and in my video already...there isn't much point in repeating what you probably didn't read the first time. Yes the families are in on it, freemasonic secrets are held closely around the world, yes people do keep massive secrets. I bring up the biggest proven conspiracies because those are far easier to understand, albeit still very difficult. If you believe the explanations why bldg 7 can freefall, after being announced first, when hit by nothing....well I have to point out that siding with the overwhelming majority of authority loving obedient academics isn't thinking for yourself. These are crucial for anyone with a conscious mind to evaluate for themselves and while my adjectives aren't going to convince you of anything, they are accurate, but most believe in impossible magic instead of conspiracy. Seriously what other explanation is there for neil armstrong telling us that the stars in space were not visible from the moon or on the way to the moon? You don't find that interesting? And it is not unrelated at all, this happened the very same year and is part of the same CIA fabrication of reality that began in earnest after WW2. Now you can't hide a billion dollars in insider trading, only smear the facts with disinformation.


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