Hollywood Blockbusters Are Masterpieces; Art Is Pretentious
I am too ignorant to understand this. I am so cocky, like a sixteen-year-old kid with a small dick who has parents with money. I wish I could appreciate the simple pleasures in life, but alas, ever since I was a child I've been forced to watch The Color of Pomegranates and things like that. I've never really understood art, I just pretend to because it makes me feel superior to others. My ego is so small that I desperately need to boost it by belittling others. I wish I had a valid opinion like everyone else. The expression, "The ignorant masses," applies more to me than any kind of "majority" of people anywhere who are obviously a lot more cultured than I am. You see, the problem is that my parents never loved me and that's why I've become so insecure. It's almost as if I think I'm, not so much the center of the universe as, the reason why the universe exists.
This isn't an emotional rant against a group of people who've offended me. This is a cry for help. How can I learn to understand why The Lord of the Rings were such great movies? Help me understand why Klaus Kinski is not as talented an actor as Nicholas Cage. Help me understand why movies directed by Jean-Luc Godard merely appear good on the surface, and the real quality comes from Steven Spielberg. Answer me, you plebians. But don't forget to attack my personal character and completely ignore my arguments. Edit: The above post was an emotional rant. I was angry and frustrated and had to sort some things out. I was actually so stressed out that I took a sick day from work, and had to have a chat with a sort of mentor to help get my head straight. It can safely be discarded now, and I'm sorry for being such a douche bag. I'm sorry to the movieforums community for being harsh, critical, and negative towards those who have different tastes and perspectives in film from my own. |
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Subtle. Should do wonders for the reputation you seem hell bent on fostering.
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Thanks for replying seanc. You're a very insightful person who I look up to. Thanks to your input I should be able to grow more as an individual. I really appreciate the support, and the fact that you didn't respond in a superficial manner. I hate it when people just boost their own ego, so thanks for not being one of those shallow people. I can tell you're a real christian.
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Originally Posted by Zotis (Post 1606016)
Thanks for replying seanc. You're a very insightful person who I look up to. Thanks to your input I should be able to grow more as an individual. I really appreciate the support, and the fact that you didn't respond in a superficial manner. I hate it when people just boost their own ego, so thanks for not being one of those shallow people. I can tell you're a real christian.
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You are acting like a petulant child Zotis. You even had to make your point in movie you're watching tonight as well :rolleyes: - http://www.movieforums.com/community...14#post1606014
Real mature. |
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Sean said it best.
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Originally Posted by seanc (Post 1606018)
I haven't seen one person tell you art film has no value.
You have consistently said "Hollywood" films have no value.
Eventually maybe you will see the error in how you present your
There are plenty of people on the forum who come pretty close to your views on this, they don't even come to your defense because you present your argument in such a poor manner.
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Originally Posted by Zotis (Post 1606044)
What argument? You're confused. I am not presenting an argument. I am merely expressing frustration. And I don't need rescuing like some helpless child, thank you very much for that insult.
Stop-personalizing the OPs, thread, & posts. Seriously Zotis, try that, and you will enjoy the results. Drama comes in life, dont paint a bullseye on your own head ;) |
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Some Hollywood Blockbusters are masterpieces and some art is pretentious, yes. It's possible for Hollywood films to be as artistic as "arthouse" films, it's possible for "arthouse" films to be bad or pretentious. It's possible to enjoy Jean-Luc Godard and Steven Spielberg. To enjoy Lord of the Rings and Breathless. The main problem is that you seem to see this forum, or life, as a competition to become the most cultured, and act as if people need to try harder to be enlightened, and once they are, they will realise that the films they liked previously are actually poor, and the new artistic films they are watching are great.
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Originally Posted by Camo (Post 1606025)
You are acting like a petulant child Zotis. You even had to make your point in movie you're watching tonight as well :rolleyes: - http://www.movieforums.com/community...14#post1606014
Real mature. This website, movieforums.com has been instrumental in my personal film growth. I only discovered arthouse films because of this place, hearing about Jodoworsky, Godard, Ozu, etc... And then when I started watching all of that stuff, people turned against me. They stuck with their flashy visuals and inception music and could not take a negative comment about The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Suddenly I feel like an outsider. Suddenly I feel like I don't even belong here anymore. What is going on? I feel like I've been slapped in the face. Shame on me for being upset. I should be a nicey McNiceton Disney animal and eat clovers and never say anything that anyone else doesn't want to hear. I am angry. What do you, movieforums, have to say to me? Shut up? Go away? Stop complaining? Don't criticise? Oh, is it mature to repress my feelings and put on a fake smile and pretend everything is okay when it's not? All I want is for you to be honest with me. Don't insult my intelligence. Please don't tell me that you are actually that shallow, because if that's the case then I will leave. |
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People turned against you because you turned against them. When I first joined I mainly watched mainstream American stuff. Now I watch all sorts of films by all sorts of directors from all sorts of countries. But I don't look down on others or patronise them with condescending language. I get on with loads of people on here and can relate to a lot of movies tastes. There are people on here who have seen all sorts of films and who I would consider to have "artistic" tastes but I have never seen anyone act in such a condescending and superior manner as you.
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Originally Posted by TONGO (Post 1606046)
Listen, youre setting yourself up for ridicule, and when it assuredly comes, then you act shattered. Its a vicious cycle that begins and ends in between your ears.
Stop-personalizing the OPs, thread, & posts. Seriously Zotis, try that, and you will enjoy the results. Drama comes in life, dont paint a bullseye on your own head ;) |
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Zotis, no one is saying your opinions on movies can't change. All of our opinions change. Star Wars slips farther down my favorites list yearly. I have discovered a lot of art film since I have been here. One of the reasons I have stuck around.
You consistently present your opiniins in a factual, dogmatic, and argumentative way. Everyone is telling you so. You need to see that for the discourse around your premise to change. Read your OP in this thread as an outside view point. Tell us what you see. Maybe then the conversation can change. |
Originally Posted by Daniel M (Post 1606049)
Some Hollywood Blockbusters are masterpieces and some art is pretentious, yes. It's possible for Hollywood films to be as artistic as "arthouse" films, it's possible for "arthouse" films to be bad or pretentious. It's possible to enjoy Jean-Luc Godard and Steven Spielberg. To enjoy Lord of the Rings and Breathless.
The main problem is that you seem to see this forum, or life, as a competition to become the most cultured.
and act as if people need to try harder to be enlightened, and once they are, they will realise that the films they liked previously are actually poor, and the new artistic films they are watching are great.
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Originally Posted by Zotis (Post 1606055)
That sadly, many of the prominent members of this site have no interest in their personal film growth, but merely want to be couch potatoes.
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Originally Posted by Zotis (Post 1606059)
That's because I am passionate about art and culture, and I think that life is too short to waste time on anything less. I try to impress upon other people the importance of what I think is extremely important. Why do you seem to think that it doesn't matter, that it's okay to waste your life?
But the fact you think if they don't like the same stuff as you then they are wasting their life. That's the type of attitude that is wrong. Who are you to say that one type of film watching is better than another, and the correct way of living a life? People get happiness from different things, and I think that is the most important thing to me, and some people legitimately won't enjoy certain films the way you do, it's cool that your so passionate but when you start to thing that you're better for it, it becomes a problem.
This is actually accurate. Because that is what I've experienced. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Cheer up Zotis, I like you! And this is the most interesting thread on the board at the moment! If we all thought the same we would be robotic, clones with no personality. Oh...and I don't like or even watch new Hollywood block buster super hero comic book, sequel-prequel-reboot-franchise crap. See! you're not alone.
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Originally Posted by seanc (Post 1606057)
Zotis, no one is saying your opinions on movies can't change. All of our opinions change. Star Wars slips farther down my favorites list yearly. I have discovered a lot of art film since I have been here. One of the reasons I have stuck around.
You consistently present your opiniins in a factual, dogmatic, and argumentative way. Everyone is telling you so. You need to see that for the discourse around your premise to change. Read your OP in this thread as an outside view point. Tell us what you see. Maybe then the conversation can change. |
Originally Posted by Zotis (Post 1606055)
I act shattered? Okay, that's a valid exaggeration of the fact that I'm upset. But when I've had meaningful conversations with you and been a member here for a couple of years, I am a little surprised when you seem to have no faith in me. I feel like I have too much faith in you.
How you say something is insulting now. You have anger built up in you, and its manifesting itself in random posts, threads. If you got a problem with someone then hash it out, throw them on Ignore User if you have to, but dont carry it internally. That makes it worse on you, and the end result worse for us.
Originally Posted by Zotis (Post 1606055)
That sadly, many of the prominent members of this site have no interest in their personal film growth, but merely want to be couch potatoes.
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Tha'ts because I AM childishly sulking in a bad manner. You know what Camo, you are someone who've I've gotten along with in the past. We've had some interesting conversations and good laughs. But then all of a sudden if I say something you don't like all of that just get's flushed down the toilet and you come in with harsh words.
No need for me to derail this thread because there seems to be some discussion going on. I still like you i just think you should watch and post about whichever movies you want to while not criticizing or questioning other peoples motives for watching them. At least not in the manner you have been that has came across really smug and off-putting. |
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