Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery
Due in theaters December 23 this year-- a sequel to 2019's Knives Out, starring D. Craig and stellar cast:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11564570/ |
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Loved the first one, so I will probably give this a shot...
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Was a fan of Knives Out 1, plus Craig's entire tenure as Bond. Looking forward to this one.
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Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery | Official Teaser Trailer :fire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xR_lBtEvSc |
Originally Posted by John-Connor (Post 2331097)
Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery | Official Teaser Trailer :fire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xR_lBtEvSc |
I watched this today on Netflix. I enjoyed this for the most part. Screenplay was pretty good and I liked the performances. There were a couple things that didn't completely work for me, but overall this is an entertaining good time.
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I watched it today, and it's a good fun movie. The first one was far better, though.
And I still think Johnson likes to be believe he is smarter than what he actually is. On a side note, as a fan of 'The Room' game series, I wish someone could make those puzzle boxes for me. There's nothing like it. |
Originally Posted by WrinkledMind (Post 2355726)
I watched it today, and it's a good fun movie. The first one was far better, though.
And I still think Johnson likes to be believe he is smarter than what he actually is. On a side note, as a fan of 'The Room' game series, I wish someone could make those puzzle boxes for me. There's nothing like it. |
Originally Posted by xSookieStackhouse (Post 2357117)
do i need to watch the first one? cause kathryn hahn is my favorite actress and shes only on this one not the first one
There is no connection between first & the second. |
Originally Posted by WrinkledMind (Post 2357119)
Nope.
There is no connection between first & the second. |
Loved the first one.
This one was no good unfortunately… |
Just watched it yesterday...here's a link to my review:
https://www.movieforums.com/reviews/...t-mystery.html |
Originally Posted by xSookieStackhouse (Post 2357120)
oh okay good cause im going to watch it tomoroww night
I thought that it was okay as a movie, but I much prefer the first film Knives Out. |
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Knives Out was better but I enjoyed Glass Onion a lot. Frankly I am glad Rian did something a bit different rather than try to repeat the formula of the first one, like most sequels. I'd definitely watch further adventures of Benoit Blanc.
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I was disappointed in the film. Over complicated the plot. Went on longer then it should have. Craig, Norton and Monae are standouts.
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Originally Posted by Holden Pike (Post 2357178)
Knives Out was better but I enjoyed Glass Onion a lot. Frankly I am glad Rian did something a bit different rather than try to repeat the formula of the first one, like most sequels. I'd definitely watch further adventures of Benoit Blanc.
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Every murder mystery is two films: the one you see the first time, where you respond to the surprise and see how well you can follow along, and the one you see the second time, when you get to simply admire the foreshadowing (or not).
Knives Out was pretty good the first time I saw it, but didn't reach the heights I was expecting based on the stellar word-of-mouth. I watched it again a few days ago in anticipation of the follow-up and liked it a lot better. It was nice to see all the glowing breadcrumbs this time to better appreciate the craftsmanship. Anyway, should be watching Glass Onion soon. It'll be interesting to see how it lands given how different the expectations are this time. |
Originally Posted by Takoma11 (Post 2357220)
I also appreciated that it didn't just do a retread. But I wish that it hadn't veered so far into parody territory. It made me feel very disconnected from the characters and the story.
Very much this. I think the root idea was a good one. And I'm glad he veered off from just a reboot (even though in this case I'm sure it would have ultimately been preferable) But the flat yet still superficially showy execution and the horribly broad and uninteresting characters and all the jokes that don't land and all the subtext that is boringly obvious and toothless...nah....doesn't work. |
Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (Post 2357207)
I was disappointed in the film. Over complicated the plot. Went on longer then it should have. Craig, Norton and Monae are standouts.
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Originally Posted by WrinkledMind (Post 2357119)
Nope.
There is no connection between first & the second. |
Originally Posted by crumbsroom (Post 2357226)
Very much this. I think the root idea was a good one. And I'm glad he veered off from just a reboot (even though in this case I'm sure it would have ultimately been preferable)
I actually quite like the idea of the
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fugue, a melody that overlaps with itself. So we see large stretches of the film, then see it again with new understanding. As soon as she started drinking the kombucha, I was like "Oh, THAT'S why she leaned against that wall earlier!" It was a satisfying moment.
Unfortunately, the way that the film is structured (and the TIME it takes setting up and then executing that structure) did not yield nearly enough rewards to be worth it. It really doesn't help that
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the murder victim is a total goober. Someone who we have learned sold iffy supplements to underage kids, rants against feminism, and is willing to overlook a murder just to boost his YouTube numbers.
I'm not fundamentally opposed to a murder victim being an unlikable character. At this point it's a very established trope. But to have no one else be likeable--bar a single character--simply did not work for me. I would have loved if this film had gone the whole Murder on the Orient Express route and fleshed out the characters via their relationship to the victim. But in the end they are all just selfish and dumb. And the worst part is that the REAL mystery (who killed Andi) gets like 12 real minutes of screentime. |
Originally Posted by Takoma11 (Post 2357149)
Hahn is great in it! Whatever you think of the film, I'm sure you will enjoy her performance.
I thought that it was okay as a movie, but I much prefer the first film Knives Out. i respect ur opinion :D |
This was okay. It's definitely not as good as Knives Out (which got a boost, at least from me, after a second viewing).
Things I liked:
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1. The central conceit, the flashback-to-redefine-everything, is a solid one. I'm a sucker for that kinda thing.
2. I'm down with the Bond villain, over-the-top setting, for the most part. Some of it works, some of it's just weird, but I enjoy the extravagance. 3. The idea of solving the murder but not proving it is interesting. Blanc promises the truth and nothing more. It's a nice little wrinkle that allows us the mental satisfaction of finding out what happens without having everything wrapped up in a little bow. The mystery genre is inherently formulaic, and that's fine, but I thought this was a nice way to tweak the formula a little. 4. The cast is really good. Duh. Things I didn't, so much:
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1. It was kind of weird how most of what the flashbacks "redefined" were minor interactions that didn't feel particular germane to the plot. Half of them were guessable at the time. And man, even in a really over-the-top film, the idea of a world-famous person that nobody knows has an identical twin sister is still really pushing it. I'm a big believer in the idea that you have to try to grant each film its premise, but the wilder the premise the more it has to deliver on it, and I think the delivery was a little lackluster relative to the absurdity.
2. Miles being stupid. It was vaguely amusing but...what did it matter? I don't see how it factors into the solution. The only reason to do something like that, mystery-wise, is to establish that he couldn't have done such-and-such. Instead, it just feels like an inelegant digression to take a shot at someone. For the record I noticed Miles messing up all those words but couldn't fathom what it could possibly mean for the mystery, so I thought little of it. So it was a weird mix of gratifying and frustrating to have it referenced later, even if it didn't seem to matter. 3. Too many other, smaller digressions. I love a good cameo (more than is reasonable, probably), but I have no idea what Hugh Grant was doing there. I really like Johnson's work overall but it feels like he's just shoving in every fun little flair that occurs to him sometimes, particularly if it means squeezing more famous people into the production. Also, boy does Johnson love his red herrings. There's a veritable sea of them. Sometimes I can appreciate it, but you can go too far with it, to the point where the audience is just kind of guessing which things will or won't end up mattering. The key to a good mystery is that it has to seem a little obvious in retrospect, and while I like both Blanc efforts in a binary sense, I think this is one thing they mostly lack (this film more than the first).
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I mean, come on, if you're gonna name a character Whiskey, and poison a drink, and have everyone's names on their glasses...
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2357494)
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3. Too many other, smaller digressions. I love a good cameo (more than is reasonable, probably), but I have no idea what Hugh Grant was doing there. I really like Johnson's work overall but it feels like he's just shoving in every fun little flair that occurs to him sometimes, particularly if it means squeezing more famous people into the production.
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Speaking of cameos, Ethan Hawke too... I sat there thinking when is he going to show up again?
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that! I said to Courtney "I didn't know he was in this." And after a few minutes, he wasn't.
I sometimes appreciate the "everybody's involved!" vibe but it got kind of ridiculous. |
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We started this last night, but a comedy of interruptions involving everything from my cat, to family phone calls, to my daughter who kept waking up and wandering out to the living room prevented us from getting very far into it. Will try again tonight!
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2357494)
Things I didn't, so much:
WARNING: "Glass Onion" spoilers below
1. It was kind of weird how most of what the flashbacks "redefined" were minor interactions that didn't feel particular germane to the plot. Half of them were guessable at the time. And man, even in a really over-the-top film, the idea of a world-famous person that nobody knows has an identical twin sister is still really pushing it. I'm a big believer in the idea that you have to try to grant each film its premise, but the wilder the premise the more it has to deliver on it, and I think the delivery was a little lackluster relative to the absurdity.
2. Miles being stupid. It was vaguely amusing but...what did it matter? I don't see how it factors into the solution. The only reason to do something like that, mystery-wise, is to establish that he couldn't have done such-and-such. Instead, it just feels like an inelegant digression to take a shot at someone.
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I think that you can take two things from the "twist" about the sister. The first is that people are less tuned into Andi (who is a more subdued personality) and more tuned into Miles who has the charisma. But also, the other characters wouldn't have a reason to suspect it's her sister because they don't know that she's been killed. Even if they knew she had a sister (and it's only Duke and Miles who would even be wondering "How is Andi here?!"), it seems just as likely that Andi survived and is playing some sort of mind game with them. I have several times discovered that an actor/actress I liked had a sibling or even a twin I had not previously known about. As for Miles being stupid, it matters because it goes to the heart of Blanc's solution. Miles has someone write a murder mystery for him that involves rigged crossbows and all that jazz. But Miles himself is not creative or smart in that way. So the killing of Andi wasn't some complex conspiracy. Miles found out that Andi found the original napkin, it would have sunk him, so he went and killed her in a pretty basic manner. Miles is good at showmanship, but not the actual planning/thinking. He's very good at getting people to do those things for him, but obviously it's a lot harder to outsource an actual murder I agree, though, that both of the above elements don't feel like they have as much splash or impact as they should considering they are a major part of bringing the whole conclusion together. |
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I saw this recently. I thought that it was decent, but nowhere near as good as the first film. To me, the first film had a much more interesting story, which flowed better, and which was more cohesive. I also preferred the first cast to this one, missed Ana de Armas, and thought that the first movie had better writing and execution overall.
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Saw it couple of days ago.
I'd say: skip it. I like Edward Norton and Daniel Craig as a whole but all of the rest: acting, screenplay... are rubbish. Just a colorful video for selling tickets to the masses. (one star more because of Norton and Craig) |
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Discussion Question: Why on Earth did they pay Rian Johnson, the director, $400 million to make two more movies in this series? Who has thoughts on that? I know the first movie was very commercially successful, but that seems incredibly excessive to me given the type of movie that this is. The first film was reported to cost $40 million to make, and this isn't a particularly demanding series to produce. It's a simple story, with likely not particularly costly special effects, etc. This isn't James Bond!
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