Is Hollywood afraid of the female form nowadays?
 

I don't mean nudity, it's just lately it seems in movies, that actresses are being chosen more of they are very skinny and not voluptuous at all, compared to older movies.

The Bond women seem more skinny and flat now compared to before it seems. I was watching Desperado, and noticed how voluptuous Salma Hayek was and was thinking, you never see a female character in movies today, that looks that voluptuous in the body.

But that's just a couple of examples, and there are others, I'm seeing. It's almost as if Hollywood is afraid or ashamed of a woman having womanly features that stick out so they feel they have to either conceal it more, or just hire skinnier actresses.

Not sure if this is going on with the male form as well, but I haven't noticed a change there, just the female form it seems. I mean as far as male action stars, go, you could argue they are not as muscular as before for example, but not sure if this is part of the same trend. It seems to be happening a lot more with Hollywood being not comfortable with the female body as much as before.

Unless I'm wrong?

Maybe there are just more naturally skinny women nowadays? :P Or actresses feel pressured to maintain a certain look.

I also see a lot of "chubby" women in major roles.

So people who look like Marilyn Monroe... where they aren't super skinny, nor chubby, but have curves, perhaps there aren't as many of them anymore.

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Do you have non-Bond girl examples? I can't think of any movies that fit your question.

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Hmm well I mentioned how no actress nowadays seems be as voluptuous as Salma Hayek, or at least none of the new big names. You just don't see any Jane Russell types being cast anymore.

I don't think it has do with women looking different nowadays though. I see women all the time, and I feel that the casting directors, would have be picking the skinniest, flattest ones intentionally.

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Desperado is a very specific movie within a very specific period of movies in which certain cast members were quite popular.

I watched Commando the other day and noticed Schwarzenegger was a very large and muscular man. I was thinking you don't see many large and masculine men in movies anymore like Stalone in Rambo. I wonder if Hollywood is trying to feminize that heroic male physique?

It's all anecdotal.

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I was also thinking this for male as well, but maybe a lot of actors do not want to be bodybuilders, or are they actually being rejected for being too muscular? One who has gotten away with it is Dwayne Johnson, but hardly any others it seems now.

So your answer is no. No, you don't have any examples to give.

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Well what's wrong with Hayek and Russell as examples? Which kind of examples were you looking for?

Movies with "skinny and flat" women. You say there's no "voluptuous" women in Hollywood anymore. I haven't noticed any such trend. So name popular movies that you think demonstrate that Hollywood is "afraid of the female form."

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I was gonna say it's been trending the other way if I had to choose, but it's all pretty anecdotal.

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Oh well as far as modern movies go, I mean where do I start. I mean most of them seem to cast non-voluptuous women it seems.

Random example off the top of my head, the new actress in the new Tomb Raider movie, is not as voluptuous as the previous Angelina Jolie Tomb Raider, nor is she as voluptious as the video game animated depiction from back then.

In fact, even the animated Lara Croft is less voluptuous now in the games, compared to the original games, so there definitely some kind of movement going on here it seems.

I'd say more actresses today have larger breast thanks to breast augmentation surgery, than they did years ago. However in the 80s and 90s you'd see mainstream movies that would zoom in for close ups on actresses asses and cleavage. Films today, don't seem to do that as much. I'd guess it's because the producers are afraid it would look like women are being treated as objects in their movie. I was surprised when I watch The Mule (2018) it had plenty of t & a close ups, just like films use to be. That's probably because of old man Clint Eastwood, but I'm not complaining:p

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Oh okay I didn't think they closed up on them I was going by regular master shots and over the shoulder shots, of the actresses.

As far as actresses having surgery to make their breasts larger, are their any examples of any actresses doing this nowadays?

I don't have an example but I heard it was plenty common. Meghan Markle who was an actress had her breast implants removed when she married and became a royal.

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Oh did she have implants when she was in Suits then?

You mean a real life woman is not as voluptuous as a CG video game character designed by men? :eek: Surely you jest. :rolleyes:

Tomb Raider isn't exactly my cup of tea so I had to watch the trailer to know what you're talking about. The actress they cast is neither skinny nor flat. She has an athletic build - you know, a body that might actually be capable of doing all the running/jumping etc. that the character does - but she's still looks very much like a woman.

Also, speaking as a woman, big boobs bounce around and are uncomfortable - even painful - to have when doing these things. That's why sports bras exist - to flatten and secure the damn things down.

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I guess, but since when do action characters worry about proper get up. Rambo doesn't wear much for a shirt in Rambo 2 and 3, and his hair is long for going through barb wire fences. So I thought they could take artistic license with being voluptuous today, as well.

How exactly does a woman's body type equate with what Rambo wore or how he did his hair? We're not talking about her "get up," we're talking about her body. Big breasts, assuming they're not prosthetic, are full of fat. Athletic bodies tend to be low in fat, ergo athletic women tend to have smaller breasts. If Stallone was running around with a bubble butt and man boobs, would he be believable as Rambo?

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Oh well the debate was that a woman wants to tuck her breasts in for combat, so I thought well heroes do things all the time that aren't combat smart, like Rambo, so why should tucking in breasts be an exception to the rule? Bad analogy I guess :).

:facepalm:

I didn't talk about sports bras or "tucking in" breasts (dude, what? That's not how breasts work) in relation to the depiction of Lara Croft. I was talking about why a body like the ridiculously exaggerated one in the original game wouldn't be found on a woman who would actually be capable of doing what she does.

Someone draw this, please. :laugh:

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Ok, so I love Salma Hayek... but her body doesn't look "natural" at all. She's skinny with a huge chest.

I wish people would stop judging women according to this "plastic surgery" standard. The majority of slim women also have small chests. That's the way nature designed us, deal with it and don't complain.

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Oh okay, in my observation I'd say about at least 30 percent are more voluptuous.

I don't see that very often unless it's clear the woman is heavier looking than your average supermodel... nothing wrong with that, of course, and if you're saying that "thicker" women should be casted, then sure, why not. Doesn't matter to me if they're still pretty, haha.

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Yeah true the woman usually has a more heavier appearance usually, but I find that in James Bond though, the woman were more voluptuous in the older ones, unless they just stuffed their clothing or something like that?

This thread would be more on point, and I actually thought the same thing during the terrible Keira Knightly's glory days..
But nowadays I see voluptuous and chubby are (coming) back especially in tv land..

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C'mon. Keira Knightley is beautiful. Both on screen and in real life (I've seen her).

It's definitely not her fault if she was so skinny people accused her of being anorexic, which she wasn't. That's just genetics.

It's fine if someone has a preference for heavier or curvier women, though. I do like slender girls but chubbier types are attractive to me too if they have a nice figure.

Gemma Arterton did say once that Hollywood didn't know what to do with her. I'm also thinking of Jennifer Lawrence and how she slimmed down over time.

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But Jennifer Lawrence was a big star after the first Hunger Games, so did she have to slim down for Hollywood to accept her, if that was the case?

It's a good question. I'm just thinking of the times she was a bit more curvy early on, especially something like House at the End of the Street.

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Maybe some of the big-breasted got into porn?

I did think it was pretty sad that Jennifer Lawrence was being "fat-shamed" because she wasn't at all.

Taylor Swift, who was always slender, lost weight until she was rail-thin, but now it seems she has been intentionally gaining a few pounds. Good for her, she looks healthy.

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But...
You already said this. In that other thread. In another life. I think you meant to mention Gattaca and the likelihood of UTIs when stock-piling fluids like that.

*leaves a bit of food on the ground*

My only contribution to this thread would be:

A resounding thank you to whichever God created this-

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How did this reply get into this [wrong] thread? :D

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIlsmK_FqFM

33:00
LMAO

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The "I reject your hypothesis" part?

Yes.

Terminator: Dark Fate (2019):


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Yeah the new Terminator seems like an example so far.

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Some Bond girls (will have to take your word for it as I don't watch Bond movies) and a Terminator movie (though that girl is NOT flat) do not equate to "Hollywood being afraid of the female form."

i don't know if that's true or not, i mean, i don't pay much attention to it
i think that if you are an actress and the audience don't want to have sex with you the changes they'll cast you are low, at least in terms of commercial movies where the young people are the major target. is the typical culture of fear that is going on for a long time

Sad but definitely true.

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Yes, it's true that actresses frequently get cast based on sex appeal, but how is that relevant to Hollywood's supposed fear of the female form?

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Depends on what you think most men find attractive, I suppose, at least on aggregate. Anyway, just saying that particular part is true, whether it has applicability to the OP's claim or not.

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Somebody help me out here...is Ironpony meaning larger sized women when he says voluptuous? As in 20-30 extra pounds? Or is he meaning thinner women with large breast? Or is he meaning the way the movies present the female form I.E. tight fitting revealing clothes?

Sorry, that was directed more at JoaoRodrigues.

I think it goes without saying that sex appeal is a huge factor in the casting of many, even most, female roles. It's just not clear what relevance, if any, JoaoRodrigues's statement has to do with the subject of the thread.

I'm not sure even he knows what he means when he says "voluptuous."

like a good boy i decided to make a google search: fat female actresses
i mean, call things by there name, i'm fat, obviously i occupy more f- volume
the names were nikki blonsky, gabourey sidibe, chrissy metz and queen latifah
i don't know about you, but the only one i knew was queen latifah, that isn't fat is heavy, and she didn't even appear in the google search, i knew her name, and i knew her name for a reason, and that reason is the reason i know her and the reason hollywood cast her in some movies

Rebel Wilson is a "curvy" girl as well who was in a Valentine's Day movie. I was actually really happy to see that a person with a "normal, everyday" appearance was the leading heroine for a romantic comedy. Plus, where I live, ladies who look like that are much more likely to find a lasting relationship or get married than women who look like me. (And maybe that's why I'm single. Ha.) And yes, they date good-looking guys, just like in the movie.

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It seems like everyone is afraid. I hear or read "You could NEVER make that today" at least once a day, while those same people will say how much they love "Blazing Saddles" and yet, will say something innocuous about a (fake) controversial comment. I guess I don't believe that they believe - its waiting for everyone else to answer, and follow suit (like Joe Biden on that debate stage). I'd like to tell them all they'd have almost nothing if there weren't guys with guts and talent. You wouldn't even have the chance to enjoy or even talk about the controversy of a movie in question. I wish Hollywood wouldn't condescend their audience - we aren't that bad. AND, when given a chance, people acknowledge great movies most of the time, and its a triumph for good taste.


Not to worry - Spielberg will make sure everything is a-ok.. How dare Netflix try and compete?!?

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My wife and I were watching a horror movie some eight years ago. There was a young lady on the screen in her underwear who maybe, maybe weighed 90 pounds. (For comparison, my wife weighs about 180.) My wife couldn't help herself and she blurted out "For Heaven's sake, eat a cheeseburger!"


It was sooooo funny.

Not sure I'd agree with the OP's Bond girls examples, most of them in the Craig era have tended to be quite "voluptuous".

That said Hollywood as a whole does often seem to be guilty of the media obsession with ultra slim women seemingly picked up from haute fashion, there are exceptions but actresses being asked to slim down dispite not carrying much fat has come up quite a few times.

These days of course you could argue the body part that gets played up for sex appeal most is at the other end, for both genders.

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Oh well I thought that the Craig era is the skinniest era so far, accept for Monica Belucci, but she is only in the movie for like 10 minutes, where as the more skinny and petite girl got the lead love interest role.

Is Lea Seydoux that skinny? I'd say she's an example of someone who's avoided having to comform to that look and her, Belucci and indeed Eva Green are some of the actresses with some of the most famously sex heavy roles in recent years so it really doesn't seem like a case of Bond flms being "afraid of the female body" even if being non R there not going to show a great deal of it.

Elsewhere as mentioned having more female action stars is going to mean pushing towards more athletic builds but I wouldn't call them unsexy, if anything the reverse as superhero fllms feature a lot of idealised bodies female and male.

Going back to some of your earlier threads I would personally say Hollywood doesn't have an issue with "casual sexuality", if anything it tends to overuse it. What its much more afraid of is cinema were sex is a driving force of the story, as in something like Lost Highway. Whilst he might not show nearly as much I find the sex in Michael Bay's films more offensive and out of place than in Lynchs films.

Why so?...I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just curious as I've only seen 2 of his films: The Rock and Pearl Harbor and I don't remember anything odd about the sex in those films. But it's been years since I seen them.

That's who I thought of straight away.

I noticed that too :shifty:;).

I'm thinking more of the Transformers films that had female characters who seemed to exist to do little other than wear cut off jeans. I mean in terms of what it was showing yes it was very mild compared to films some of the above actresses have done but things like The Dreamers or Blue is the Warmest Colour actually had sex closely bound up to the characters/plots. In Bay's films a lot of the women tend to barely even exist as characters, more trashy sex objects.

Again I think it seems to be a feature of US(and UK) culture generally that you get an overuse of sex in a casual fashion in the media to sell some other product. By comparison you could argue sex itself as a real focus is arguably under presented in cinema relative to its importance in society.

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OK thanks, that's what I kinda thought you meant. I haven't seen any of the Transformer movies, so can't commit directly, but I can see what you're saying.

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Yeah I agree on the Transformer movies that the female form is shown in too much close up and too exploitative there maybe.

It's hard to explain what I mean maybe, but it just seems that way for me that Hollywood is afraid of the female form now. What about the new Terminator movie as an example?

The female Terminator in T3, they weren't afraid to make look feminine and more voluptuous, but the new female Terminator is completely flat chested, and looks boyish compared to the T3 one. Is that a better example?

Hollywood is just afraid of being even more exposed for being the evil it's always been. It's a simple answer. Cater to the feminists to avoid picket lines on opening weekend.

Why do you think it's called Holly-wood;) If they would've named it Edwood things would be so much different!

Its not really what he shows but just how tacked on it feels and indeed how trashy it looks. I'd like to think I'm not prudish at all, some of my favourite films have significant amounts of sex in them but it tends to be in aid of something other than just titillating the audience.

The Terminator sequel I spose you might have a point there, hard to know exactly but without having seen it(not sure I will at the cinema given how bad it looks) yeah I do get the impression they may have made Mackenzie Davis character look as masculine as possible to try and score clumsy political points. The whole film just screams low effort/talent cash in to me just as the last couple have(which ironically it seems to steal a lot from despite disregarding them) so I can well believe they'd do that.

As far as Terminator 3 goes I actually think the female Terminator was a bit of a missed opportunity. We get a couple of pretty inconsequential scenes playing up Loken being attractive for some titillation but it doesn't really focus on the idea of her being sexually manipulative very much that I think that could have been more interesting/scary. Johansson in my avi for example plays up a similar kind of character very effectively IMHO.

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Oh okay, I didn't think she needed to be very sexually manipulative though, since she probably gets the answers she wants out of torturing or killing people with her powers, but the fact that she looks feminine and voluptuous is good I thought.

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I just watched The Outlaw (1943), and read about how when making the movie, they invented special bras, to emphasize Jane Russell's breasts. Is this one of the reasons you don't see more voluptuous depictions of women in movies nowadays, is a lot of filmmakers don't want to ask women to do that maybe?

What would have really made it would be if Quentin had shushed Margo as soon as she started to speak! :D

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Another example I noticed is the new Batwoman TV series. If you look at photos of it, the new Batwoman actress, looks as boy-ish as possible.

That has absolutely nothing to do with being "afraid of the female form" and is more of an appeal to feminism and to the LGBT+/GRSM community.

Also, you seem to have a pretty messed up notion of what the "female form" actually is and seem to think it must be the shape that appeals the most to cis-het men. Or, at least, the one that appeals most to you. Women come in all sorts of forms.

That said, having just watched the trailers, I think the show looks like crap. :shrug:

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That's true they come in all sorts of forms, but its seems like it's becoming more masculine in action thriller entertainment as the years go on, for some reason. So it's still driving towards a certain form.

I agree with that. But why is that happening? I don't know.

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Well it just seems kind of contradictory, cause they want more female action roles, but they make the characters look as manly as they can with Batwoman and the new Terminator it seems. But why?

I mean people say they want more people who are non-white in movie roles too, but if you watch a movie like Black Panther, they don't make the black actors as white looking as possible. If they can embrace non white actors, non-whiteness, then why can't they embrace female actors, feminine form, so to speak?

Maybe it has nothing to do with the female form being more masculine. I mean men in action movies are all buffed and muscular too. So it might be that male or female leads in action films are always tough-kick ass-muscular types, just because that's what people want to see in those type of movies.

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You’re still stuck on the ridiculous notion that a woman looks one particular way. And diversity and representation aren’t just about skin color or how many X chromosomes a person’s cells have. Go back and read my previous post. Also try watching the trailers.

Also, I strongly disagree that Ruby Rose looks “manly.” Androgynous, sure. Not manly.

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But it seems to be more common now then before, like it's becoming a trend. When I say manly, I don't mean successfully manly, but like they are still trying, if that make sense.

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It doesn't.

MV gave you a reasonable answer in her post that you replied to but seemed to have overlooked what she actually typed.

Also, action flicks need a certain physicality, no?

lol no matter how many times I see your avatar, it always makes me smile. And reading your caption just brightens my mood rofl. No pun intended. Gizmo is the greatest. I whistle his melody at work, from time to time. Ok. I'm done being a dork. Still a great av tho!

https://youtu.be/tD2W4B5o8sg

Expect a similar post from me yearly as that's around the time I forget that I probably already said this before.