Originally Posted by gandalf26 (Post 1996500)
Just asking a question? I Don't agree with his parts of his statement, yes parts.
Anytime any anti Islam statement is made it is generally dismissed or labelled without actually being able to argue specifics. Islam is the religion of stupidity and death, I've said that before. That doesn't mean I condone the shooting. The shooting is a disgrace and the shooter a wacko coward. Those were his words. He's blamed Islam for 49 muslims being killed. It is abhorrent. That's just one sentence. The whole statement is vile. As far as your post saying "Islam is the religion of stupidity and death" - that is just as vile and misrepresentative. There is stupidity and death in every single walk of life. Your viewpoints are bigoted, out of touch and dangerous. |
Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1996504)
Then you should be able to specify exactly which parts you disagree with because so far it looks like you're just paraphrasing the same shooting-was-bad-but-Islam-is-still-worse gist of the letter.
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Originally Posted by ScarletLion (Post 1996509)
"The real cause of today's bloodshed is immigration policy"
Those were his words. He's blamed Islam for 49 muslims being killed. It is abhorrent. That's just one sentence. The whole statement is vile. As far as your post saying "Islam is the religion of stupidity and death" - that is just as vile and misrepresentative. There is stupidity and death in every single walk of life. Your viewpoints are bigoted, out of touch and dangerous. I dislike that sentence also, posted above in reply to Iro. The entire statement isn't vile, the timing of it is. |
Originally Posted by gandalf26 (Post 1996514)
Such viewpoints are a cold uncomfortable reality for the left, and not bigoted or racist.
I dislike that sentence also, posted above in reply to Iro. The entire statement isn't vile, the timing of it is. |
Originally Posted by ScarletLion (Post 1996521)
You are vile.
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Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
Let's lock up the personal attacks, or this thread will get locked up.
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Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
Apologies.
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Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
Originally Posted by Cynema De Bergerac (Post 1996507)
Okay, I'm gonna have to say it, since I'm afraid nobody else will. And I know I'm gonna get a lot of crap for it, but... this is what happens when you force multiculturalism upon a nation’s people. This is what happens you let keep borders wide open. This is what happens when you try to impose Islam on the west. This is what happens.
I’m very certain the cultural left and Anderson Cooper on CNN will probably say this all comes down to nothing but “Islamophobia” (which, it technically is - I mean, I don't think anyone in that Mosque was planning on raping kids in Rotterdam or decapitating women). They'll just find a way to spin this into sympathy for open more borders, and make Europe more “multicultural”; “those POOR innocent Muslims are being oppressed by bigotry! The European whites are uh-so afraid of them just because they’re brown and have a religion that isn’t christianity or paganism! They're innocent, and nothing terrible is happening!” In Europe, societies are being destroyed, some neighborhoods are being turned into trash dumps, and a lot of these places might not ever be the same. I don't think that's a good thing, or a healthy thing - to take people who build statues, create wealth, invent science, and replace them with people who murder and rape in the name Allah. I'm sorry. I just don't think that's good. I know it's insensitive. But it's too late now to tiptoe around it, or use a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to explain it differently. This is just the way it is: Europe is being invaded. We're putting Western Civilization on the altar as a sacrifice to white guilt because we're worried some frizzy-haired Afro transsexual will wag his finger at us. The Muslims that have been invading Europe are not innocent, exceptional individuals. There are a good portion of exceptions, but the majority of them have been doing the same crap to the people that let them into their countries for years now. I’ve been waiting for a mass shooting in Sweden (well, aside from the ones done by Jihadists) for I don’t know how long now, because someone in that god forsaken shell-of-a-once-great-country is going to snap eventually. This dude was probably thinking "They rape our women and kill us, so we should sit back and do nothing? How can we kick them out? Killing is not a good solution, but what other solution is there?" Also, this doesn’t exempt him from this. There’s no justifying this behavior. However, we can’t let this be an example for the wrong reasons. People like this will continue to do these things in retaliation. More innocent Muslims and foreigners will be murdered. Stuff like this is going to continue unless we act right freaking now. I hope this is a wakeup call for the EU, multiculturalists, and everyone on the left. But, it probably won’t (much like all the terror brought upon by Islam extremists went unnoticed, so much so that you could get sent to jail for even reporting it). And no way this is getting memoryholed. So, congrats a-hole, not only did you fail to beat a group of people at their own game (which is stupid, because you became nothing but an exponent of their violent pathology), but you also murdered a bunch of innocent people and gave the liberal globalists the best thing they could ask for. https://i.redd.it/lzvh3u41gko11.jpg Anyway, can't wait for the hot takes on how Trump is somehow responsible for all of this. There's a difference between talking about minority appeasement, demography change and blaming an entire community. Unfortunately you just did the latter, even though I like to believe that you wanted to do the former. |
Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
What Sedai said: target the view (preferably in a substantive and thorough way), not the person expressing it, or the thread will be locked.
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Originally Posted by gandalf26 (Post 1996511)
The real cause of bloodshed sentence and quoting the Bible at the end. Also the timing of the whole statement, him looking to capitalise in the aftermath.
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Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1996532)
So it's a couple of minor (practically trivial) details
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Originally Posted by ScarletLion (Post 1996521)
You are vile.
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 1996537)
The first thing doesn't seem trivial. Saying it was the "real cause" is probably the most objectionable thing in the whole letter.
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Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
Ah, might have been talking past each other a bit then. Got it.
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I've deleted several posts. This thread is not the place for you to air your general dissatisfaction with issues of terrorism or Islam, particularly given some people's propensity to try to turn every thread into a discussion of those things. This is about a specific event, and if it strays beyond that again, I'm locking it.
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Originally Posted by WrinkledMind (Post 1996526)
I just read the 74 page manifesto of that terrorist, and I am afraid you sound hauntingly similar to him.
lmao, this statement from you actually chuckled me up a bit. The very thought of me eventually becoming a neo-nazi who starts randomly killing non-whites is so hilarious due to how bafflingly absurd and awful it is. I can't help but feel that's one of my many crazy Twilight Zone endings.
Originally Posted by WrinkledMind (Post 1996526)
There's a difference between talking about minority appeasement, demography change and blaming an entire community. Unfortunately you just did the latter, even though I like to believe that you wanted to do the former.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/72...fghan-migrants A Group Of Swedish Girls Were Sexually Assaulted By A Group Of Men From A "Foreign Background" At a Music Festival At Malmo's Pildammsparken Park https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/tva...rgrepp-i-koln/ Hundreds of Women attacked in front of the railway station in Cologne. Among other things, they were subjected to thefts, threats and sexual abuse. http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten...ande-i-kalmar/ Large Groups Of Muslim Men Sexually Assaulted Swedish Girls On New Year's Eve In The Cities Of Kalmar And Malmo http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22368770.ab A Poll By The Inizio Polling Institute Found That 46% Of Swedish Women Feel Unsafe When They Go Out Alone At Night http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22404429.ab Local Police In Ostersund Issued A Warning That Women Are Not Safe Outdoors After Dark Preliminary 2016 stats: http://www.bra.se/bra/nytt-fran-bra/...statistik.html
https://i.ibb.co/L09kqtg/1487707779564.png Not to mention the European countries that label crime statistics as “hate speech” in order to shut down anyone who opposes them, and you also get in big trouble for reporting crimes committed by immigrants too (because we sure don't wanna be racist). I don't know why so many immigrants to Europe seem so stalwart against assimilating into the culture that has shown them the grace and generosity of accepting them within their own borders. And if I was routinely encountering foreigners who pretended not to understand me when I speak just to get under my skin, or had no respect for hygiene concerns and cleanliness-concerned laws, or if there were rape gangs stalking about and I legitimately had to consider the foreigners as a primary factor when I was trying to keep my female friends and relatives safe from violation, then the problem would feel a lot closer to home for me. That's not even mentioning the rest of the atrocities they commit. The sweeping under the carpet of racial/ethnic identities of rapists when it doesn't suit the leftist's narrative is by far the most galling aspect. As if innocent girls deserve to get raped just to preserve the lie that culture clash is at unacceptable levels and that the home culture does not deserve to have its freedoms and security respected because it's their own turf that immigrants are coming to (and bringing nothing of value to earn it) in the first place. And who do you think I'm blaming? The immigrants? No. Although, what they have done to Europe is pretty terrible (although with a plethora of other migrants from other countries), I don't hold anything aganist them personally. The fact that there's a group of high-end officials who (supposedly) represent the people and the well-being of the nation, who then allow these third-worlders to grab their balls and yank them off... I can't really be mad at the third-worlders for that. Nor am I blaming them. But I guess you're just okay with tragedies such as the shooting being part and parcel of living in a large, enforced, crime-ridden multicultural wonderland then. Welcome to your future, I suppose. |
Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
Apologies if it seemed I was getting off track. Not my intention. Nor am I trying to vent any frustration (although I do have plenty that I would normally LOVE to share).
It's just about going over the current state of Europe, and how it plays into why this shooter did what he did. Considering the nature and the motive behind the shooting, it's clear these things evidently go together hand-and-hand. |
Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
I agree some general discussion about the larger issue is inevitable and reasonable. I'm just precluding the script some people have in their head that they basically copy-paste any time anything related to these issues takes place, regardless of the specific circumstances.
Part of the rationale here is that I've tried to draw a number of people out of these scripts and into actual discussions, and it tellingly never works. Some people like to use a forum as a way to force others to listen to their opinions under the guise of wanting a discussion that somehow never materializes. To them I always say: go start a blog. |
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Re: Mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand
What happened in Christchurch is a terrible tragedy. Today it was mosques. Maybe on Sunday it will be my Roman Catholic cathedral. Or an African-Methodist church in NYC. Maybe Mormons in Salt Lake City. Or Episcopalians in Maine. Maybe a Church of England service.
Nobody is safe. |
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