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jiraffejustin 05-21-22 06:34 PM

The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
I wasn't going to do it, but it doesn't look like anybody else was going to do it either. So, here we go.

The usual rules of the hall of fame apply, the only difference is that we are focusing on shorts instead of features. Anything less than 45 minutes is eligible except for previous winners.

Previous winners:

La Jetee (1962)
Harvie Krumpet (2003)
Tale of Tales (1979)
A Dog's Life (1918)
Duck Amuck (1953)
The Great Piggy Bank Robbery (1946)

Six people (Myself and five others) is the minimum number of participants. I won't put a cap on a maximum amount, mostly because I don't think we'll have to worry about that.

I'll bring forward more details about deadlines and all of that once we actually get people committed.

Expect the presentation to be pretty barebones compared to the usual hof presentation by all of those overachievers.

Send me your nomination.

ueno_station54:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

Thief:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

Torgo:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

Captain Terror:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

MovieGal:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

PHOENIX74:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

jiraffejustin:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

Takoma11:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

SpelingError:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

Citizen Rules:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

Allaby:
Brats
Night and Fog
The House Is Black
Hedgehog in the Fog
Malice in Wonderland
The Heart of the World
Nu
A Gun for George
Shell All
Seven
Goodbye Mommy

Spots are still open through Sunday 5/29.

Nominees:

Brats (1930; James Parrott) nominated by Allaby
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Night and Fog (1956; Alain Resnais) nominated by Citizen Rules
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The House Is Black (1963; Forugh Farrokhzad) nominated by SpelingError
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Hedgehog in the Fog (1975; Yuri Norstein) nominated by Takoma11
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Malice in Wonderland (1982; Vince Collins) nominated by jiraffejustin
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The Heart of the World (2000; Guy Maddin) nominated by PHOENIX74
https://directorslounge.net/wp-conte...guy-maddin.jpg

Nu (2003; Simon Staho) nominated by MovieGal
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5b/86...0cea520e14.jpg

A Gun for George (2011; Matthew Holness) nominated by Captain Terror
https://httpschannel4-a.akamaihd.net...=1982751108001

Shell All (2015; Zaven Najjar) nominated by Torgo
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Seven (2018; James Morgan) nominated by Thief
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Goodbye Mommy (2019; Jack Wedge) nominated by ueno_station54
https://www.lecinemaclub.com/wp-cont...019/10/gm1.jpg

Allaby 05-21-22 06:56 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Sounds fun. I'm in.

Takoma11 05-21-22 07:14 PM

Sounds fun! I'm in.

MovieGal 05-21-22 07:54 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
I may be in if that's ok.

ueno_station54 05-21-22 08:20 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
not me thinking about how annoying i want to be lmao.

Captain Terror 05-21-22 08:35 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
This sounds like the kind of low-effort project I can commit to. Isn't there a thread somewhere that explains the rules? I can't find it.

SpelingError 05-21-22 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Terror (Post 2302316)
This sounds like the kind of low-effort project I can commit to. Isn't there a thread somewhere that explains the rules? I can't find it.
Read the first post:

https://www.movieforums.com/communit...ad.php?t=64747

SpelingError 05-21-22 08:46 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Also, I might join.

Takoma11 05-21-22 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Terror (Post 2302316)
This sounds like the kind of low-effort project I can commit to. Isn't there a thread somewhere that explains the rules? I can't find it.
Just nominate anything shorter than 45 minutes that isn't one of the films listed in the first post. Easy peasy.

Citizen Rules 05-21-22 09:00 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Glad to see this happening and yeah first timers should join, as short films are, well....short so easy to participate!

I'll have to think about if I can come up with a good short film, I don't know any of the top of my head, I know some musty old ones🙂

Captain Terror 05-21-22 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2302317)
Thanks buddy

Torgo 05-22-22 12:45 AM

I'm in! I'll send you my pick ASAP.

CosmicRunaway 05-22-22 06:33 AM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
If not a lot of people join, are you planning on having double nominations like last time?

jiraffejustin 05-22-22 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by CosmicRunaway (Post 2302364)
If not a lot of people join, are you planning on having double nominations like last time?
I'm leaning towards no, but I'm open minded if anybody feels strongly about it.

Captain Terror 05-22-22 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by jiraffejustin (Post 2302377)
I'm leaning towards no, but I'm open minded if anybody feels strongly about it.
I've chosen this to be my first HOF precisely because it's so easily accomplished. Any changes that make it more of a challenge are likely to discourage me from joining.
(So now's your chance to get rid of me before it's too late!) :)
But yeah, I'll concede to the majority of course but that's my two cents.

Allaby 05-22-22 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by jiraffejustin (Post 2302377)
I'm leaning towards no, but I'm open minded if anybody feels strongly about it.
I’m content with just one nomination per person.

jiraffejustin 05-22-22 01:17 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Btw, when I get the next person’s nomination, I’ll reveal the six that we have so far and leave the door open for new folks to join until the end of next Sunday. I’ll also try to decide on the best possible deadline for something like this.

jiraffejustin 05-22-22 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Terror (Post 2302401)
I've chosen this to be my first HOF precisely because it's so easily accomplished. Any changes that make it more of a challenge are likely to discourage me from joining.
(So now's your chance to get rid of me before it's too late!) :)
But yeah, I'll concede to the majority of course but that's my two cents.
Trust me, this will be a very simple process. You just choose a film you want everybody else to watch, and you watch all of the films that get nominated. You rank them top to bottom, send me the list. When everybody votes, I tally 'em up. Whichever film gets the most points, that's the winner. These are all shorts, so I don't think the total runtime of all the films combined will even clock over three hours at the rate we are going.

So far:
Five nominations: 74 minutes combined runtime

Captain Terror 05-22-22 06:01 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
I'm definitely in, just trying to decide on a nomination

MovieGal 05-22-22 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Allaby (Post 2302409)
I’m content with just one nomination per person.
I agree. I know more short films but don't wanna watch a lot.

SpelingError 05-22-22 07:25 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
I decided to join after all.

jiraffejustin 05-22-22 08:08 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
I updated the OP to include all of the nominations so far. I was going to include links on the front page, but held off since I don't know how to hyperlink videos from Vimeo without embedding them as it doesn't seem the Youtube trick works for Vimeo.

And I still encourage anybody who sees this who hasn't joined to go ahead and join. I'd be happy with a 10-12 member turnout.

MovieGal 05-22-22 08:14 PM

Mine is on YouTube. Link below:

https://youtu.be/W6tAydFtyKQ

jiraffejustin 05-22-22 08:14 PM

Here are the links I've been sent so far:

Shell Out aka Un Obus Partout: https://vimeo.com/219502856

A Gun for George: https://vimeo.com/264829204

Malice in Wonderland:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2BA...l=VinceCollins

And @SpelingError has a link for The House Is Black as well

MovieGal 05-22-22 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by jiraffejustin (Post 2302506)
Here are the links I've been sent so far:

Shell Out aka Un Obus Partout: https://vimeo.com/219502856

A Gun for George: https://vimeo.com/264829204

Malice in Wonderland:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2BA...l=VinceCollins

And @SpelingError has a link for The House Is Black as well
I found his

Free and legal.

https://archive.org/details/khanehsi...useisblack1963

Allaby 05-22-22 08:21 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Brats is on youtube. Here is a link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHl0Df4YMeM

SpelingError 05-22-22 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 2302508)
legal
This is where you lost me.

MovieGal 05-22-22 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2302510)
This is where you lost me.
National archive had your film.

SpelingError 05-22-22 08:24 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
My nomination is also on the Russian site I've sent some of you in the past, though yeah, archive also works.

SpelingError 05-22-22 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 2302511)
National archive had your film.
Yeah, I know. I'm just being goofy.

MovieGal 05-22-22 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2302512)
My nomination is also on the Russian site I've sent some of you in the past, though yeah, archive also works.
I like watching on my TV. Sites like Archive.org and YouTube work best.

SpelingError 05-22-22 08:26 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Besides my nomination, I've only seen Hedgehog in the Fog, which is excellent. Don't mind revisiting it.

MovieGal 05-22-22 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2302513)
Yeah, I know. I'm just being goofy.
It's ok. You can be with me.

Allaby 05-22-22 08:28 PM

A good diverse selection of nominations so far, spanning 6 different decades.

Allaby 05-22-22 08:29 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Beside my nom, I have only seen The House is Black, which is excellent and I gave a perfect rating to the first time I saw it, so happy to revisit it.

MovieGal 05-22-22 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2302516)
Besides my nomination, I've only seen Hedgehog in the Fog, which is excellent. Don't mind revisiting it.
Well, mine has a favorite actor and one I admire as well. They were in a full length movie together and both were great.

Not sure if many newbies know I'm a huge Mikkelsen fan.

MovieGal 05-22-22 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Allaby (Post 2302519)
Beside my nom, I have only seen The House is Black, which is excellent and I gave a perfect rating to the first time I saw it, so happy to revisit it.
I love early cinema. Have you seen the 1910 Frankenstein?

SpelingError 05-22-22 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 2302520)
Well, mine has a favorite actor and one I admire as well. They were in a full length movie together and both were great.

Not sure if many newbies know I'm a huge Mikkelsen fan.
Haven't seen Mikkelsen in much, so I'm looking forward to it.

MovieGal 05-22-22 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2302522)
Haven't seen Mikkelsen in much, so I'm looking forward to it.
You should watch Valhalla Rising if you haven't. It truly shows his acting abilities.

SpelingError 05-22-22 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 2302524)
You should watch Valhalla Rising if you haven't. It truly shows his acting abilities.
I'll keep an eye out for it.

Allaby 05-22-22 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 2302521)
I love early cinema. Have you seen the 1910 Frankenstein?
Not yet, but it is included as a special feature on the Arrow blu ray of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, which I recently picked up. I plan on checking it out soon.

MovieGal 05-22-22 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Allaby (Post 2302527)
Not yet, but it is included as a special feature on the Arrow blu ray of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, which I recently picked up. I plan on checking it out soon.
It's on YouTube as well.

Takoma11 05-22-22 09:30 PM

What a great range of films! I've only seen two of them. Since I just watched The House is Black a few months ago, I'm reposting my review of it:

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The House is Black, 1963

This short documentary film captures glimpses of the lives of men, women, and children living in a leper "colony" in Iran.

This is a very brief, but moving portrait of the lives of people living with a disfiguring, frightening disease. While there are a few isolated shots of the effects of leprosy, most of the images of the people are in action: children in a classroom, a woman nursing a baby, men smoking pipes or cigarettes against a wall. The drooping eyelids, missing noses, and mangled fingers are all normal in this setting.

Underneath it all, there is narration consisting of religious text and poetry from the woman who made the film. There is an undercurrent of irony as the chanting students thank God for giving them eyes . . . even as leprosy is robbing them of their vision.

The final shots, however, give a call to action. Leprosy is treatable. If the poor are treated well, the disease can be eradicated. It is a push for compassion, to replace fear with love and caring.


ueno_station54 05-22-22 09:31 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
just submitted my nomination. went with something fun instead of being a bitch lol.

Takoma11 05-22-22 10:25 PM

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Brats, 1930

Two fathers (Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy) are looking after their sons (also Laurel and Hardy). The two men are trying to enjoy a quiet game of checkers, but their sons' antics keep interrupting their game with increasingly disastrous results.

I have a real love for practical effects, and I am especially a sucker for the use of oversized props (a la that one sequence in Eternal Sunshine). So a lot of this short was really playing to something that I totally enjoy: the "boys" playing with large blocks, or climbing the stairs, or romping around on the dresser. All of the sets were really well done, especially the oversized bathroom.

If I had things my way, the entire short would have centered on the boys. As it is, we get several stretches of hanging out with the "dads". And it's not bad stuff, but the stuff with the kids is so fun that I found myself a bit impatient whenever we left them.

This was a really fun little romp.


Citizen Rules 05-22-22 10:33 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
What the hell I just joined, what's one more HoF:) At least this one will be fast and easy...so far I'm liking the noms too.

Takoma11 05-22-22 10:43 PM

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Hedgehog in the Fog, 1975

A small hedgehog (Mariya Vinogradova) goes on a journey to visit his friend, and encounters many other creatures along the way.

This is my nomination and I have watched it countless times. I have also used it with my elementary students in a lesson about mood. I absolutely love this film.

For starters, I am totally taken by the visual style of it, which blends two-dimensional figures with "live" and real elements, like water and some sort of sea creature. The short leans heavily into the perspective of the hedgehog, and there are so many beautiful moments that capture his point of view, like when he thinks he sees an elephant only to follow a stick toward the object and find it to be a tree, which slowly rotates above him. I find this to be a really beautiful film, right down to the little details like the way that the hedgehog clasps his hands behind him in the early minutes.

There is a fun little sense of humor that runs through the short, such as the way that the hedgehog knows exactly what the bear will say when he arrives, right down to the "what do you call it . . ." or the way that the owl following him gets so easily distracted by the echo. The unexpected encounter with the dog, and the surprise ending to it, is also up there.

What I love most about this short is its mood. It fills me with a simultaneous sense of melancholy and hope and something else I can't quite name. I am very aware when I watch it that I feel a lot of feelings. Every encounter that the hedgehog has walks a line between fear or sadness and beauty. Obviously the horse is the key example of this, but I also like the seemingly-sinister "Someone" that carries him safely to shore as a favor. There is an atmosphere to this short that just goes right to my heart.

Totally enchanting, and one of my favorite films, period.


Takoma11 05-22-22 10:44 PM

Also, the version that I watched tonight (the top result on YouTube) had pretty funky subtitles. I found one that has much better subtitles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf4G...nnel=Shaunt503

Thief 05-22-22 10:47 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
This is definitely manageable for my busy schedule so I might join in. What's the deadline to jump in?

EDIT: 5/29! Great. I already have two shorts in mind, but I'll give it some thought.

jiraffejustin 05-22-22 11:03 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Added ueno and Citizen's noms to the OP

Takoma11 05-22-22 11:20 PM

Night and Fog is another recent watch for me (and I'm shocked it hasn't won any previous short HoFs!! And I imagine it would win this one!). Here's my review:

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Night and Fog, 1956

This documentary, filmed ten years after the end of WW2, recounts the creation of the concentration camps and the suffering of those unfortunate enough to end up in them.

Despite the mostly sedate tone of the narrator, this film is like a howl against the cruelties that people can inflict on each other.

Watching this film, I felt the way that I often do when confronted with cruelty on this scale and scope---it is almost beyond comprehension, and it's like looking into a nightmarish abyss. My grandfather was present at the liberation of one of the concentration camps (I want to say Buchenwald), and my mother said that he was never the same after what he saw there.

There is almost nothing that I can say about this film. It is heartbreaking in the sense of the the entire scale of it but also down to little details, like footage of a man carrying a nude, emaciated corpse slung over his shoulder. The outraged question at the end of the film--"Who is responsible?" feels like an indictment that reaches far beyond the Nazi leadership.


MovieGal 05-22-22 11:37 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
@Citizen Rules

Great nomination. I have seen several films about the Nazi concentration camps and this was the one that had the most impact on me.

I own the Criterion dvd of this as well as Shoah.

Captain Terror 05-23-22 12:08 AM

BRATS

This is not one that I'd recommend to an L&H newcomer, just because it's a bit gimmicky and therefore an anomaly in the catalog. That said, it's still lots of fun. I actually prefer the moments when Stan & Ollie are their usual selves, so my favorite bit is probably the game of pool, and Stan's attempt at harmonizing on the lullaby. Ollie's ride down the stairway is one of their more memorable sight gags.
As for the kid stuff, the oversized props are impressive, especially considering they were constructed for a 20 minute two-reeler. The animated mouse was fun also.
As a massive fan, this is one that I often neglect so this excuse to revisit it was welcome.
(I almost went with an L&H nomination myself, in fact) :up:

SpelingError 05-23-22 01:24 AM

Since I already have a review for this one, I figured I'd post it now.

The House is Black (1963) -


This short is one of my favorite films of all time. I didn't expect to love it as much as I did when I first saw it considering how poor the quality of the film is (some of the subtitles blend into the background, making them difficult to make out), but by the time I finished it, I was blown away by it.

The line "Leprosy is not incurable" is repeated twice throughout an opening sequence which states facts about leprosy, almost as if to make sure the meaning of that line isn't lost concerning the grisly images we see of the people with the disease. This monologue also indicates that the people we see suffering in the film could be cured of this disease. It's just that the government failed to take care of them as, instead of solving the problem, they herded them into the colony documented in the short, leaving them to further deteriorate. Instead of this scene coming off as preachy, this unspoken message is implied rather than directly stated, making for a powerful scene. Regardless of whether you pick up on this implication or not, it still manages to get under your skin.

Farrokhzad also does a great job at exploring the ironies of the daily lives of the people in the colony, specifically with religion. Multiple sequences indicate that religion is a major part of their cultures. In one scene, a group of kids thank God for giving them hands, eyes, and ears - features which many people in the colony don't have. In another powerful moment, a man holds his withered hands in the air and refers to them while reciting a prayer. This is followed by a sequence which cuts between a group of people practicing religion and several shots of people with deformed body parts, in turn creating tension through the editing. Watching this, you can't help but wonder why all these people thank God for giving them gifts which many of them don't have. It seems likely that religion is an abstract concept in their lives and they don't think much about the words and prayers they say.

In addition, a few sequences in the film stuck out as especially powerful. The first of which shows a couple women putting on makeup and brushing their hair. Seeing this, it's clear that, in spite of their facial and bodily features, many of the women in the colony still make an effort to look beautiful or to find light in their current situations. Another scene shows a group of boys playing ball together. Unlike a number of the older people we see in the colony, their mobility doesn't seem to be effected by their disease. The deformed facial features on a number of them are hard to ignore though and, considering how the shot which immediately follows this sequence shows a man with one leg using crutches to walk down a path, the short seems to suggest that those boys will end up like the old man unless they're cured of their disease (one effective shot which occurs earlier shows a man giving his crutch to a boy to play with). The classroom scene at the end is also worth mentioning. Something about the scene, specifically some of the answers the boys give to their teacher, makes it feel staged. It just seems too suited for the messages Farrokhzad wants to send to have naturally occurred. While I usually find staged scenes like this to be jarring in documentaries, I didn't mind it so much in here as it's still able to make for a devastating critique of religion.

Overall, this is a perfect short. Instead of solely raising awareness for the issue documented in it, Farrokhzad has several artistic points which she incorporates into the dialogue and the visuals of the film quite phenomenally. Sadly, Farrokhzad died shortly after this film was released, making this the only film she ever directed. Who knows what else she could've given us? However, this film will forever stand as a masterpiece to me and, if you can get by the occasional issues with the subtitles, you're in for a great treat with it.

Next Up: Brats

Torgo 05-23-22 01:31 PM

I'm excited to jump into this, which I hope to do later this week. I'm especially excited about the Matthew Holness movie since Garth Marenghi's Darkplace is one of the funniest shows I've ever watched.

I watched my pick, Shell All, at the 2016 Atlanta Film Festival. If you don't like it, you'll at least be able to win Letterboxd contests for least-watched movies since only 18 users have seen it!

CosmicRunaway 05-23-22 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2302659)
If you don't like it, you'll at least be able to win Letterboxd contests for least-watched movies since only 18 users have seen it!
This made me curious to see how many people had seen one of my nominations from the last Shorts HoF, Flankers. Apparently 20 have, so it's only slightly less obscure than yours haha.

Another of the films from that HoF, Bomb, also only has 18 views. Next closest is 49.

Edit: wrote "more" instead of "less" :facepalm:

Torgo 05-23-22 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by CosmicRunaway (Post 2302705)
This made me curious to see how many people had seen one of my nominations from the last Shorts HoF, Flankers. Apparently 20 have, so it's only slightly more obscure than yours haha.

Another of the films from that HoF, Bomb, also only has 18 views. Next closest is 49.
I'm surprised my pick has so few views because it played at many other film festivals. I can only assume that a lot of Letterboxd users don't know they have short films in their database or that they just don't bother to log them.

Oh well. What they lose in completeness, we gain in smugness. :cool:

Captain Terror 05-23-22 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2302659)
I'm excited to jump into this, which I hope to do later this week. I'm especially excited about the Matthew Holness movie since Garth Marenghi's Darkplace is one of the funniest shows I've ever watched.
I still haven't seen that so I can't say how this short compares, but I find it funny.

(Just learned that I can stream Garth for free! Nice. That wasn't the case last time I looked for it.)

Takoma11 05-23-22 10:36 PM

https://external-content.duckduckgo....jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Malice in Wonderland, 1982

[Insert plot summary here, LOL!]

I'm generally not super into the whole trope of taking a child's story or folk tale and making it "adult". Partly because I think it's been done to death (not always poorly, per se) and partly because I've always felt that too often the driving force is just a bit juvenile in trying to be edgy.

But I still quite enjoyed this short, mainly because it manages to avoid a lot of pitfalls that could have easily made it off-putting.

To start with, I appreciated that the women in the film were drawn as adults. Using a child character in a sexual way is kind of iffy, and I was glad that the Alice figures here don't seem to be intended as children (or even teens). Despite the overall gruesome aesthetic, I did have to laugh at one point because they couldn't resist throwing in an extended sequence with a woman with porn proportions. But generally everything is so bizarre that the nudity/sexuality feels like part of the nightmare.

The pace of the film is also unrelenting, which works in its favor. By refusing to linger on anything, it sweeps you up in its momentum. And given the absolute barrage of images and noises, keeping that momentum is key. Fortunately, this is not a short that overstays its welcome, and at 4 minutes it seems like it's just the right runtime. Less would not have felt coherent, but more would have grown tiring.

Despite the whole "but sex and disturbing" aspect that is the dominant vibe, my favorite sequences were the ones that played with recursion or tessellation, such as the "lifting the teacup" sequence or the part where the queen's face is assembled out of tessellated flying birds.


SpelingError 05-24-22 01:07 AM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Would it be possible to have an index of all our reviews in the first post of this thread, btw?

jiraffejustin 05-24-22 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2302799)
Would it be possible to have an index of all our reviews in the first post of this thread, btw?
I don't want to promise that I'll make one, but I'll say I'll try to make one. I did say that this will be pretty barebones compared to other HoFs. Plus all you overachievers have already posted like 30 reviews.

MovieGal 05-24-22 03:48 PM

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Brats
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When I was younger, I remember watching Laurel and Hardy short films on Saturday morning and as time fillers for other films that ran short of the time allowed. They may have been funny back then but not so much now.

This was a bit cute as they starred themselves as children. This was slap stick comedy. I found it a bit silly as an adult and the line " You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" was really lame imo.

I guess I'm not much of a fan now.

Takoma11 05-24-22 05:36 PM

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Nu, 2003

A Jakob (Mads Mikkelsen) marries Lisa (Elin Klinga), but something between them isn't right. While Lisa gets pregnant and cares for their baby, Jakob begins a relationship with Adam (Mikael Persbrandt), which seems to partly explain the lack of sparks between the married couple.

This is a nearly dialogue-free short, with some really lovely compositions and a stark black-and-white look.

Reading reviews about this film online wasn't all that illuminating, because they mainly seem to be "Mads Mikkelsen touch MY face please!", but I think that the story itself is fairly easy to grasp. While usually the tragedy of a gay person shoehorned into a straight marriage is more to do with that person, here it is Lisa who gets the really rough side of things. The baby seems to stand for either her mental state or the state of their marriage, and either way by the end of the short the babies screams have taken on a metallic/demonic tone.

I think that the opening sequence, in which Jakob touches his wife's face with a mix of affection, apprehension, and confusion, is probably the strongest moment of communicating how alienating it would be to be in a marriage in which things just didn't feel right. While Jakob goes through the motions--the marriage and the sexual consummation of their union---it is without real passion. By the time Jakob finds a relationship that makes sense, it is too late. Him finding his happiness means the emotional abandonment of Lisa (and their baby!).

A solid short with good performances.

(Also, this had no impact on my rating AT ALL, but I was a bit irked to see that the most common plot summary around for this one refers to Lisa has "having something up her sleeve" as if
WARNING: spoilers below
her killing of their child is something done as a trick or a way to punish Jakob, when the sound effects and the way she is filmed clearly show that she's having some sort of breakdown or possibly post-partum depression issues.
)

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MovieGal 05-24-22 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Takoma11 (Post 2302920)
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Nu, 2003

A Jakob (Mads Mikkelsen) marries Lisa (Elin Klinga), but something between them isn't right. While Lisa gets pregnant and cares for their baby, Jakob begins a relationship with Adam (Mikael Persbrandt), which seems to partly explain the lack of sparks between the married couple.

This is a nearly dialogue-free short, with some really lovely compositions and a stark black-and-white look.

Reading reviews about this film online wasn't all that illuminating, because they mainly seem to be "Mads Mikkelsen touch MY face please!", but I think that the story itself is fairly easy to grasp. While usually the tragedy of a gay person shoehorned into a straight marriage is more to do with that person, here it is Lisa who gets the really rough side of things. The baby seems to stand for either her mental state or the state of their marriage, and either way by the end of the short the babies screams have taken on a metallic/demonic tone.

I think that the opening sequence, in which Jakob touches his wife's face with a mix of affection, apprehension, and confusion, is probably the strongest moment of communicating how alienating it would be to be in a marriage in which things just didn't feel right. While Jakob goes through the motions--the marriage and the sexual consummation of their union---it is without real passion. By the time Jakob finds a relationship that makes sense, it is too late. Him finding his happiness means the emotional abandonment of Lisa (and their baby!).

A solid short with good performances.

(Also, this had no impact on my rating AT ALL, but I was a bit irked to see that the most common plot summary around for this one refers to Lisa has "having something up her sleeve" as if
WARNING: spoilers below
her killing of their child is something done as a trick or a way to punish Jakob, when the sound effects and the way she is filmed clearly show that she's having some sort of breakdown or possibly post-partum depression issues.
)

+
Mikael Persbrandt plays Mads' brother in "The Salvation", which is a very good western themed film. I will recommend any films of Mads as well.

Takoma11 05-24-22 07:20 PM

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A Gun for George, 2011

Terry (Matthew Holness) is the embattled writer of a series of suburban revenge novels about a man seeking perpetual revenge for the trashing of his prized car. As Terry's attempts to get published (or even placed in the local library) are shut down again and again, his anger brings him closer and closer to the mindset of his violent protagonist.

There's always something pleasing about a parody that reveals a genuine affection or nostalgia for the very thing it's mocking. In this case, it's the glut of 80s "decent guy can't take it anymore!" type stories.

The main thrust of this short is the comedy. From the running gag about how Terry's writing frequently features guys being hit (with a range of weapons) in the balls, to the fact that he's written uncountable stories all stemming from the same incident of car vandalism, to the hilarious and painful montage of Terry trying to get his book into a library or any other place with a shelf. Holness maintains a perfect tone of arrogance atop deep insecurity, something that's highlighted every time Terry runs up against any kind of threat or authority figure. The thriller plots he loves so much are, for me, clearly something that comes out of the desire to face a serious threat so that he would be justified in responding in violent fashion.

But there's more here than just comedy. Some of the fantasy sequences (in which Terry imagines himself as his own protagonist, the "Reprisaliser"--a clear knock-off of the Equalizer franchise) have a really excellent look to them, including a shot from inside the car as a hooligan smashes it while Terry/The Reprisaliser ducks for cover. Obviously the overall context is humor, but true to the fact that they exist inside of Terry's heated imagination, they look good and without the comedy context would be pretty scary. The final moments, in which we watch Terry's imagination and reality collide with what we anticipate will be a bad outcome, is honestly a bit chilling.

I really enjoyed this one!


Takoma11 05-24-22 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 2302925)
Mikael Persbrandt plays Mads' brother in "The Salvation", which is a very good western themed film. I will recommend any films of Mads as well.
He tends to pick really interesting projects, and he's always one of the best things about them.

MovieGal 05-24-22 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Takoma11 (Post 2302940)
He tends to pick really interesting projects, and he's always one of the best things about them.
Yes, Mads is an amazing character actor. I think his best two are The Hunt and Valhalla Rising. Another Round, After The Wedding and Adam's Apples are pretty good as well.

I would have to rewatch his older films to rate them in order. I have seen at least every one once except a few that are a rare find, or at least when I tried to watch them, they were.

ueno_station54 05-24-22 08:54 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
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Hedgehog in the Fog (Yuri Norstein, 1975)

Takoma hitting us with one of the most iconic short films there is and its reputation is very much deserved. Everything about it is perfectly executed. The lighting and environmental effects standout the most for me, with the fog and water adding so much to the vibe and love love love how they play with the speed at parts. Just a beautiful, wondrous and slightly funny little film that's endlessly charming. Clearly an all-timer.

Takoma11 05-24-22 08:56 PM

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Un Obus Partout, 2015

A young man decides to cross a bridge to visit his fiance in Beirut. He takes his best friend along---the two of them hoping that a big soccer game will be enough of a distraction for them to get past a series of snipers guarding the bridge.

This is a sharp little film and very kinetic. I liked the style of having the characters in black silhouette, with the occasional accent of color. The background is patterned with detailed lattice work, something that creates a stark contrast once the two men are on the bridge and the background is mainly various shades of dark.

The film uses a device of cutting between the soccer game and the manic drive across the bridge (giving double meaning to many moments, such as "he shoots!") and for the most part it is very effective.

There is a heaviness that hangs over the film. Even if the men succeed on their mission of visiting the fiance, they are still living in a violent, unpredictable country. And yet, what more can you live for in such a situation except for small victories?

A good short and, like many that have been nominated in this HoF, just the right runtime.


Takoma11 05-24-22 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by ueno_station54 (Post 2302948)
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Hedgehog in the Fog (Yuri Norstein, 1975)

Takoma hitting us with one of the most iconic short films there is and its reputation is very much deserved. Everything about it is perfectly executed. The lighting and environmental effects standout the most for me, with the fog and water adding so much to the vibe and love love love how they play with the speed at parts. Just a beautiful, wondrous and slightly funny little film that's endlessly charming. Clearly an all-timer.
It always surprises me (pleasantly!) how many people have actually seen this film. Maybe it's just because shorts aren't discussed as much as feature length films.

Torgo 05-24-22 09:48 PM

Malice in Wonderland

I enjoyed this short as a phantasmagorical distillation of Lewis Carroll's classic novel. Vince Collins must have been inspired by Ralph Bakshi because it resembles what one of his fever dreams would look like; or better yet, it comes across like what would happen if he directed Tom Petty's "Don't Come Around Here No More" music video. Speaking of Bakshi, the sexual imagery is as raw, unsubtle and striking as it is in his early movies. The surprising ways Collins makes his imagery sexual combined with his use of looping and repetition is what makes the short so hypnotically watchable. The booty-bumping trees are a highlight in this regard, which is also the sequence that made me laugh out loud. Admittedly, I have not read Alice in Wonderland, my only familiarity with the story being the classic Disney movie, which I haven't watched in many years, and course the music video I mentioned. As a result, a lot of the commentary probably went over my head. A YouTube commenter mentioned that it's about the painful process of going from girlhood to womanhood, which I think fits. However, whether I was an expert on Lewis Carrol or not, I still think I'd be more taken with the strength of the craft than the themes the short brings up. With that said, I joined this Hall of Fame hoping I'd see some quality animation - bonus points if it's the kind that messes with your head - and since it succeeds in both regards, I'm glad I watched it.

Takoma11 05-24-22 10:34 PM

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Goodbye Mommy, 2019

A washed up detective is hired by a queen to track down her errant husband and their strange alien baby.

I would never have watched this short on my own, mainly because the type of computer animation that it uses just does not get along with my brain. Sure enough, I started to feel a little seasick about 5 minutes in and had to take a few breaks along the way.

And yet despite the fact that I needed a walk and a big drink of water halfway through it, I did end up enjoying this short and I'm glad it was nominated, as it was very different from everything else I've watched so far.

What really clicked with me here was the humor. "He realized he would do anything for this large, beautiful woman." The voice acting really worked for me, as did the visual gags (like "Killer Speaks" and "Killer Listens"). I think that it takes talent to walk that line of something looking "wrong" while still looking intentionally made, and this short fell on the right side of that line for me.

It also deserves credit, I think, for having a world that feels at once totally bonkers and yet also startlingly coherent.

+

jiraffejustin 05-24-22 10:48 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Just a call to other members who aren't already joined up: we need more people to join up so Takoma11 has more films to watch.

Captain Terror 05-25-22 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Takoma11 (Post 2302939)

A Gun for George, 2011

The final moments, in which we watch Terry's imagination and reality collide with what we anticipate will be a bad outcome, is honestly a bit chilling.
Happy to read this last sentence of yours. The comedy bits are very funny, but it was because of the end that I nominated it. You GET it! :up:


ps- am I expected to review my own nomination?

SpelingError 05-25-22 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Terror (Post 2302990)
ps- am I expected to review my own nomination?
Yeah, everyone is.

As an aside, if the short is still fresh in your memory, you're not required to rewatch it.

ueno_station54 05-25-22 04:09 PM

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Goodbye Mommy (Jack Wedge, 2019)

I know a lot of people don't really dig on 3D animation but being 30 (and also Canadian) I think makes me predisposed to loving it. Growing up with shows from Mainframe Entertainment and 64-bit video games, janky 3D just hits right for me and now that its approachable enough for very small teams or even one person to make weird, cool stuff in the style its even more my bag now.

While this doesn't have the polygonal look of the computer animation of my childhood, I love both the similarities and differences to that style and really adore how much it utilizes whatever workspace it was created in (Blender? Maya? idk), especially in the camerawork. Stretching and distorting characters is pretty standard for animation but I haven't seen a ton of things that apply that idea to the camera. Having the focal length and whatever else squishing and stretching all over the place is such a look and that extremely exaggerated Hitchcock Pull got a good laugh out of me. Just such a good example of taking advantage of the medium you're working in. Like you really couldn't replicate this in even other styles of animation. Its such a visual splendor or nightmare, depending on who you ask and the music matches it perfectly. A lot of it has this ethereal vibe while also being distorted in the exact way the camera and visuals are. The whole vision is so cohesive but doesn't feel like its overly scripted either, which is kind of tough in animation with how much planning has to go into it. Manages to keep that free and open vibe that I love so much. Its just a really fun film. The voice acting adds a lot plus there's a couple really funny lines. I adore this so much.

CosmicRunaway 05-25-22 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by ueno_station54 (Post 2303133)
Mainframe Entertainment
Thinking about ReBoot, Shadow Raiders, and Beasties/Beast Wars makes me instantly nostalgic. :up:

jiraffejustin 05-25-22 05:37 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Have you seen any of Vince Collins' 3D stuff? I think you might like it.

Takoma11 05-25-22 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Terror (Post 2302990)
Happy to read this last sentence of yours. The comedy bits are very funny, but it was because of the end that I nominated it. You GET it! :up:
I mean, I finished watching it a short while before a friend posted something about "what happened in Texas" and I went to Reuters and, yeah . . . .

Originally Posted by ueno_station54 (Post 2303133)
The whole vision is so cohesive but doesn't feel like its overly scripted either, which is kind of tough in animation with how much planning has to go into it.
This is what I appreciated more and more as the short went on--the way that it managed to imbue everything with a sense of spontaneity, even though you know inside that everything has to be planned out.

ueno_station54 05-25-22 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by jiraffejustin (Post 2303156)
Have you seen any of Vince Collins' 3D stuff? I think you might like it.
i think you recommended his stuff to me once before and i didn't watch any lol.

SpelingError 05-25-22 08:44 PM

Brats (1930) -


Eh, it was okay. Slapstick comedy is fine and all, but I found the jokes in this one to be a mixed bag. Some of the gaps, like the ones where Hardy was hit in the head by various objects, for instance, were overused and stopped being funny fairly quickly, while some other gags were rather straightforward and had somewhat predictable punchlines. On the other hand, there were a couple of well-executed gags here and there, like the pool table and bathtub scenes, but I'd say the jokes missed more than they hit for me. I did enjoy the practical effects though. The oversized props were creative and I had a blast watching Laurel and Hardy interacting with them. That the props looked identical to the furniture they were based on further added to my enjoyment of them. This definitely made up for some of the jokes which fell flat for me. Unfortunately though, they only made up for so much and I'd still call the short average.

Next Up: Goodbye Mommy

PHOENIX74 05-26-22 04:14 AM

I might have a better feel for the short film format after this Hall of Fame is completed, but what the hell - nominating a film doesn't hurt, even if it comes dead cold stone withering last. I'm in, and after watching some neat horror shorts from Alter (check out Home Education), Oscar-nominations and winners plus general shorts from the likes of Jim Cummings and Guy Maddin I went with what was on my mind at the start. But I enjoyed my little short film festival, and I reckon I'll enjoy this Hall of Fame.

ueno_station54 05-26-22 04:27 AM

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Brats (James Parrot, 1930)

I don't know anything about Laurel and Hardy but there's not a lot here that would make me want to seek out more and whichever the skinny one is has like no charisma lol. The oversized props are good and there's a couple good bits but nothing really got a laugh out of me. Just kind of came and went.

Torgo 05-26-22 01:14 PM

Goodbye Mommy

This movie made me think about this quote from the movie Henry Fool: "an honest man is always in trouble." I mean, why bother being an investigative journalist, detective, or signing up for any other truth-seeking profession? When you're not watching your back, you're lamenting the breakup with your romantic partner, who probably left you because your job took up all your time. That's the situation in which our hero and hard luck case finds himself in this odd, funny and slightly frustrating short. I mentioned investigative journalist because the detective's city reminds me of the equally distinctive and weird dystopian metropolis in one of my favorite comic books, Transmetropolitan. That this city is ruled by a king and queen instead of a mayor is nice touch because it's funny, obviously, and for how it emphasizes how badly and like pond scum guys like our hero are treated by the very powerful. As for the aesthetic, it's delightfully odd - I'd describe it as looking like the video game Another World, but in 3D and filtered through a kaleidoscope - the highlights besides the city being the detective's constantly changing Memento-like tattoos. I can't say many good things about the sound mixing, however, especially in terms of the dialogue, which like the contrast between YouTube commercials and content ranges from too loud to unintelligible. Other than that, I enjoyed this tribute to the truth-seekers of the world and the strange way it empathizes with the overly tough lives they lead. Hopefully, there will come a day when they won't have to pin all their hopes and dreams on a Close Encounters of the Third Kind-like alien intervention for their lives to improve.

Citizen Rules 05-26-22 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by PHOENIX74 (Post 2303245)
I might have a better feel for the short film format after this Hall of Fame is completed, but what the hell - nominating a film doesn't hurt, even if it comes dead cold stone withering last. I'm in, and after watching some neat horror shorts from Alter (check out Home Education), Oscar-nominations and winners plus general shorts from the likes of Jim Cummings and Guy Maddin I went with what was on my mind at the start. But I enjoyed my little short film festival, and I reckon I'll enjoy this Hall of Fame.
What was your nom?

jiraffejustin 05-26-22 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2303295)
What was your nom?
@PHOENIX74 nominated the great The Heart of the World by Guy Maddin

I'll get the OP updated later today, but just wanted to make sure that it was known what was nominated.

jiraffejustin 05-26-22 02:59 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Also, quick poll for everybody who is participating:

If the film The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes was nominated, would you still participate in this hall of fame? If you don't know what it is, I'd say google it before answering. This is a hypothetical, but if the only choices were to participate or not based on this one film being required viewing.

ueno_station54 05-26-22 03:01 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
i personally love The Act of Seeing with One's Own Eyes but that might be a big ask

MovieGal 05-26-22 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by jiraffejustin (Post 2303311)
Also, quick poll for everybody who is participating:

If the film The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes was nominated, would you still participate in this hall of fame? If you don't know what it is, I'd say google it before answering. This is a hypothetical, but if the only choices were to participate or not based on this one film being required viewing.
I like gore and extreme gore but I know it's fake.

Not into real sh*t.

Citizen Rules 05-26-22 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by jiraffejustin (Post 2303311)
Also, quick poll for everybody who is participating:

If the film The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes was nominated, would you still participate in this hall of fame? If you don't know what it is, I'd say google it before answering. This is a hypothetical, but if the only choices were to participate or not based on this one film being required viewing.
Why do you ask? Just curious.

MovieGal 05-26-22 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2303316)
Why do you ask? Just curious.
Someone probably wants to nominate it.

If it's allowed, I will drop. Reading about stuff like this, I'm ok with. I know films are fake. Documentary like this aren't.

Captain Terror 05-26-22 03:28 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
I've seen enough of it to know that I'm not in the mood to try again.
This is only my first HoF but it would never occur to me to force something like this on others. I mean, you can still nominate it but that doesn't mean I'll watch it. It's not like I'm going to jail for not following the rules. :)

Citizen Rules 05-26-22 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 2303317)
Someone probably wants to nominate it.

If it's allowed, I will drop. Reading about stuff like this, I'm ok with. I know films are fake. Documentary like this aren't.
I totally understand where you're coming from, I won't watch that either. Now, I've seen some gruesome fake stuff (thanks PahaK:p) and while I don't like it, I can watch it...but a real autopsy no thanks. I think that could trigger people in ways that are pretty bad and cause some real mental discomfort & mental issues for some.

jiraffejustin 05-26-22 03:36 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
Nobody is trying to nominate it. I'm just asking to find the line, so to speak. It seemed pretty clear to me that is past the "do not nominate" line, but I wanted to hear what the actual responses would be to the question. I don't know where the line is for what I wouldn't watch, but I would like to sniff out the general line.

Torgo 05-26-22 03:37 PM

I'm not crazy about seeing something like that either, I'm afraid. Besides, based on what I've seen of Brakhage, I feel like I'd struggle to write anything about it.

MovieGal 05-26-22 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2303322)
I totally understand where you're coming from, I won't watch that either. Now, I've seen some gruesome fake stuff (thanks PahaK:p) and while I don't like it, I can watch it...but a real autopsy no thanks. I think that could trigger people in ways that are pretty bad and cause some real mental discomfort & mental issues for some.
At least when I read the biography about Armin Meiwes, I could put the book down at times to let my stomach settle. Also, my own visualization is different than someone projecting what I have to see.

ueno_station54 05-26-22 04:05 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
i do find it fascinating that we can all watch docs about the most horrendous things in human history no problem but the human body in a strictly medical context is way too much.

SpelingError 05-26-22 04:32 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
I could probably watch it, but since a bunch of other people are hesitant to watch it, it might be a good idea to avoid it.

SpelingError 05-26-22 04:34 PM

Re: The 5th Short Film Hall of Fame
 
I mean, we do have Night and Fog though, which is about as disturbing as you can get with real-life footage of dead bodies.

MovieGal 05-26-22 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2303351)
I mean, we do have Night and Fog though, which is about as disturbing as you can get with real-life footage of dead bodies.
I have seen Night and Fog and even shared my dvd with ppl who enjoy WW2 stuff like that. I have seen several documentaries about the war camps but that one, for only being 32 minutes, hits the hardest.


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