Just how influential was Se7en?
I've finally gotten this movie on DVD and I'd forgotten how AWESOME it is. I haven't been able to watch it for quite some time, and from what I can tell, it's a pretty popular movie around here. So just how influential was it to other movies and stuff. I think the diary in Red Dragon was based on the one in Se7en, or atleast had some of the same elements.
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Long time no type. I think Se7en was quite influential as far as set design was concerned. The detailed, dark sets in the film were top notch. |
I loved Se7en, but it was influential in a very BAD way. Now we will never see an end to dark, depressing "serial Killer" movies. I mean Se7en was genius, all of its rip-offs are just sort of depravity presented as "entertainment," or worse, failed attempts to be clever about it....looking right at YOU, Saw....
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In terms of things like style and theme I think it was one of the most influential movies of the 1990's. The neo noir concept is perfected in every detail in Se7en. The opening credits alone set the agenda for so many other movies that would follow. The combination of christian fundamentalist values with the typical postmodern existentialist questions (depicting life through death, "What's the point? Is there a point?") I would say was something that Hollywood and others really picked up on.
I love Se7en. It's my favourite Fincher movie. |
Originally Posted by Piddzilla
In terms of things like style and theme I think it was one of the most influential movies of the 1990's. The neo noir concept is perfected in every detail in Se7en. The opening credits alone set the agenda for so many other movies that would follow. The combination of christian fundamentalist values with the typical postmodern existentialist questions (depicting life through death, "What's the point? Is there a point?") I would say was something that Hollywood and others really picked up on.
I love Se7en. It's my favourite Fincher movie. |
Originally Posted by blibblobblib
Its like you took little bits of brain out of my ears and then shmushed them into the words expressing how i feel about this film. Brava :)
Se7en is one of my favorite movies too, but whoever said something about the rip-offs being pretty sh*tty is right. im sick of all the movies that come out now. They all try to have this weird twist at the end. lame! |
Very. I plan all my murders with a theme, now.
Er... yeah, the titles were nifty! |
Piddzilla nailed it dead on.
The only thing I could stack on top of that statement is that it illustrated to Hollywood that viewers are ready for and appreciative of painstakingly detailed films. Though Hollywood didn't actually learn that listen too well. I think one of the most important things that Se7en proved was that audiences crave eccentricity in film. I think it also distingushed a big line between respect for a film and ticket sales and solidified the ignored lesson that respect equates to film/buyer loyalty. No to mention throwing numbers in the middle of titles. Though nerds were doing that long before... |
My whole point is in bold so you can skip all the mumbo' jumbo'.
Two penny's for dat' ass from my noodle which is also known as my brizzain'.
Se7en. Hmm. Some heads are bout' to roll is right. Right into a brown box at the end. Booya. Anyways, the movie's off da' chain like a granny in a motorcycle gang. Set design, set design, set design + Brad Pitt means this movie couldn't go wrong. I will point out the over used detective stereotypes. Coffee, old papers, stressed family life, so-on and so-on. You see what I'm saying about that? I'd understand if I didn't explain it right and you were angry for it. Influence? Maybe not so much influence but rather raising the already existing bar of detective movies. That's what I was getting at. Yes. I made it bold just in case you wanted to skip everything and go straight to it. I should write that at the beginning. |
Not very.
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I'm glad you agree. I was getting nervous.
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Remind me not to go near Delilah anymore :)
I think it's pretty much been said already, so I'll simply agree and save Chris some bandwidth. |
Se7en is definitely a classic, and you just can't avoid other movies copying the classics.
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Originally Posted by blibblobblib
Its like you took little bits of brain out of my ears and then shmushed them into the words expressing how i feel about this film. Brava :)
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The problem with Se7en being such an influence is that it influenced a lot of film makers to consider style more important than substance.
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Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
The problem with Se7en being such an influence is that it influenced a lot of film makers to consider style more important than substance.
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Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
The problem with Se7en being such an influence is that it influenced a lot of film makers to consider style more important than substance.
I think just as well as style you can see this when it comes to trends in certain themes. I have no stats to back this up but I'm guessing that Silence of the Lambs must have started some kind of mass murderer trend in films. Not to mention what Scream did to the slasher genre. I must admit that I am hopelessly unhip and unaware of what's going on today in new american cinema and Hollywood, but has anyone of you guys seen anything that might have been caused by Donnie Darko? Oh, and hello era of american remake of asian horror flick |
Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah
Do you feel that's true of Se7en?
There are a number of films that have come out since Se7en did that may not have tried to replicate the noir-ish element of the storyline, but have indeed tried to emulate its style...to little effect. It reminds me of when Pulp Fiction came out. Shortly afterwards, films like Two Days in the Valley, and the like followed it. Yet, none of them could capture the essence of style and substance that made Pulp Fiction so good. Not that any of this is uncommon. Producers follow whatever is making the big bucks and has the most water cooler conversation. Meh...that's my opinion anyway.
Originally Posted by Piddzilla
...anyone of you guys seen anything that might have been caused by Donnie Darko?
Oh, and hello era of american remake of asian horror flick I can't think what may have influenced Donnie Darko other than the insight that introspective and complicated plotting was popular at the time. Perhaps M. Night Shyamalan could be accused of recreating that trend in Hollywood. It's funny that you mention the Asian horror remakes. A lot of people I talk to gush on and on about the remakes, so I suggest giving the originals a go...but most of them balk at that. What r u gonna do? |
Make them watch them... I know you've got your own special ways to do that... ;D
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I know too many people who just refuse to watch subtitled movies. Oh well...they don't know what they're missing unless they've at least had a taste...and most of them won't even bother doing that. They can go ahead and live on Big Macs while I dine on Walnut, Arugula, and Gorgonzola Crostini, Greens with Goat Cheese Croutons, and Chocolate Jalapeno Cake.
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Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
I wouldn't have said it if I didn't. What are you...new? ;)
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Of course. I knew that.
*whistle-whistle-whistle* |
I love David Fincher Fight Club was better but Seven is really cool too. I love his style like in The Panic Room how he swops over counter tops through key holes. He's a great director.
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Originally Posted by loopie
Se7en is definitely a classic, and you just can't avoid other movies copying the classics.
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Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
I know too many people who just refuse to watch subtitled movies. Oh well...they don't know what they're missing unless they've at least had a taste...and most of them won't even bother doing that. They can go ahead and live on Big Macs while I dine on Walnut, Arugula, and Gorgonzola Crostini, Greens with Goat Cheese Croutons, and Chocolate Jalapeno Cake.
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No I haven't.
I've seen a lot of foreign films, tho' If you're interested seeing member's listings of their personal favorites, check out this thread. |
Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
I dine on Walnut, Arugula, and Gorgonzola Crostini, Greens with Goat Cheese Croutons, and Chocolate Jalapeno Cake.
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I'm watching Hannibal right now (it's a break for commercials). I see a lot of Se7en-like stuff.
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Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
I can't think what may have influenced Donnie Darko other than the insight that introspective and complicated plotting was popular at the time. Perhaps M. Night Shyamalan could be accused of recreating that trend in Hollywood.
Se7en was definately influential in both style and substance. Stylistically the cinematography, the dark-gritty sets, the tough detectives, the religious undertones and Kevin Spacey as one of the most frightening killers i've ever seen. The latest rip-off of Se7en which was so blatantly a rip-off it was laughable was Taking Lives with Angelina Jolie, just from the opening credits you can tell that the director had seen Se7en one too many times. In terms of substance, I think Se7en saw the revival of serial killer movies and the movement away from gangster, mafia films. However, one can definately see a correlation between the two sub-genres in Se7en, the lighting, the gritty sets and the expose on the seedy underbelly of society is definately a trait most often associated with mob movies. |
Originally Posted by the_wanderer
I think Donnie Darko was one of those "one every 5 year movies" that really stand out without having been influenced by a particular trend. I've never seen anything like Donnie Darko and doubt we will for a very long time. M. Night Shyamalan certainly revived the essence of the "twist" movie, however, in terms of filmaking he is just another replicator of Alfred Hitchcock only he does it better than any other filmaker i've seen.
Se7en was definately influential in both style and substance. Stylistically the cinematography, the dark-gritty sets, the tough detectives, the religious undertones and Kevin Spacey as one of the most frightening killers i've ever seen. The latest rip-off of Se7en which was so blatantly a rip-off it was laughable was Taking Lives with Angelina Jolie, just from the opening credits you can tell that the director had seen Se7en one too many times. I have nothing more to say then just Agree, and say that was well put.......... very well put! In terms of substance, I think Se7en saw the revival of serial killer movies and the movement away from gangster, mafia films. However, one can definately see a correlation between the two sub-genres in Se7en, the lighting, the gritty sets and the expose on the seedy underbelly of society is definately a trait most often associated with mob movies. |
The Best movie love it, i also think it influenced saw on the whole teaching a lesson way to kill, i have a question does anybody know the name of that movie where i think 4 guys rob a bank and they are wearing the nixon masks or something like that i saw it a long time ago and cant remember the name
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I still don't understand, what is this movie trying to prove?
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Originally Posted by capncrunch69
The Best movie love it, i also think it influenced saw on the whole teaching a lesson way to kill, i have a question does anybody know the name of that movie where i think 4 guys rob a bank and they are wearing the nixon masks or something like that i saw it a long time ago and cant remember the name
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Originally Posted by PimpDaShizzle V2.0
Point Break.... I think.
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Originally Posted by Nitzer
I still don't understand, what is this movie trying to prove?
However, the message I myself got out of this movie was summed up in the very last line of Morgan Freeman's when he said: "Earnest Hemmingway once wrote.......'the world is a fine place and worth fighting for'.......I agree with the second part." |
Originally Posted by Nitzer
I still don't understand, what is this movie trying to prove?
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