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FilmBuff 03-16-24 10:40 AM

3 Body Problem (Netflix)
 
This is starting to sound like it might be something. Maybe not something everyone will like, but something everyone will be talking about. :p


Netflix’s big gamble, “3 Body Problem” – created by “Game of Thrones” masterminds David Benioff and D.B.Weiss with Alexander Woo – opened Lille’s Series Mania on Friday, immediately dividing the viewers on a series well reviewed by Variety.

“It’s a very ambitious show and it has a great scale, but I wonder when all the hooks they got into me will reward me with knowledge. I see a lot of potential, but I don’t see a clear path,” actor Malick Bauer told Variety after the screening. One of this year’s International Competition jurors, he is known for the first German Disney+ series “Sam – A Saxon.”

“It can be a great thing, but I do worry if the audience will be given their time. It’s one of the biggest problems in today’s shows: You need to capture people right away, otherwise they will find something else. Is it too slow? For a media consumer in 2024, yes. For an artist, no. It’s a bit like watching ‘Lost’ all over again. I am willing to wait, but I am not sure if the market will follow.”

Director Bertrand Desrochers, behind miniseries “Les Oubliettes,” added: “It reminded me of ‘Dune,’ where the first movie served as a trailer for the second one. ‘Oh look, Zendaya! If you give me money for another one, I will show you more of her.’ It’s all about building this suspense.”

With several industry players opting to go off the record, calling the first two episodes “slow,” “overcomplicated” and “cold,” and quite a few walkouts after the pilot, “3 Body Problem” might not be able to follow into “GoT’s” crowd-pleasing footsteps. It might, however, earn cult status.

“I am very surprised this is their next step after ‘GoT,’ but it’s great that they are taking a chance. They could have done whatever they wanted, especially something similar. Instead, they said: ‘We are going to grab that cult book, which is considered to be unfilmable,’” laughs journalist François Busnel, praising the show’s cliffhangers.

Adapted from the Chinese science-fiction saga by Cixin Liu, “3 Body Problem” dives into humankind’s first contact with an alien civilization. “This is a story of what happens when laws of the universe start to break and what it means for all humanity, but particularly for a tight-knit group of friends and colleagues solving the mystery before time runs out,” explained Woo in a short video introduction.

“This show is really all about literature. It’s choral: You have so many characters and they are well-written, but it’s also slow and very intellectual. Personally, I love the fact that we have all this time. It’s a little too much, it’s true, but it doesn’t matter,” adds Busnel.

“Can I tell you something? I haven’t seen ‘GoT’. I feel like an alien right now,” says Camélia Jordana, singer and star of Disney + series “Irrésistible,” also set to deliver a masterclass at the fest.

“I left the screening wanting to know more. About everyone! How did it start, what’s the idea?! The way it’s structured, there are really two options: Either you don’t get it at all and move on, or you try to follow these different timelines. I am actually surprised I want to find out more, because there was so much I didn’t understand. Usually, if that’s the case, I am done. Now, I need to know what’s going on!”

Influencer Louise Aubery, known as MyBetterSelf, echoes the sentiment.

“I do have a lot of questions, but I am eager to finally connect these dots. This show is a constant enigma,” she notes.

“It’s sci-fi, but I feel like they have mastered the art of making it realistic and that’s always the difficult part. I was hooked. Sometimes, we watch shows just to chill and have a good time, but this one will create some debates. We are definitely missing some information, but I liked that it was touching upon the subject of mental health. It’s great it’s becoming a recurring topic these days.”

With some SeriesMania guests comparing the show to the ambiguous and often emotionally distant works of Christopher Nolan – “You don’t get it and you get a feeling they don’t really care if you do” – others revelled in its lack of answers.

“I don’t like it when things are too simple. It’s boring,” says novelist Delphine de Vigan, behind “Based on a True Story” adapted by Roman Polański.

“I don’t like ‘easy,’ so I enjoyed these two episodes. I had to work for it and try to catch all the connections between the characters. I have two kids and they are the same: Simple is not what they are looking for these days either.”

Before the screening, stars John Bradley and Jess Hong presented the show.

“Luckily for me, when I first read the scripts, I hadn’t yet read the books and their writing speaks for itself. It’s enthralling and it captures you. They are incredible when it comes to writing characters and relationships. I was crying, laughing and gasping. I was so captivated,” admitted Hong.

“We had a physicist consultant and he introduced us to his students. We went to Oxford University to talk to these two students, 18 or 19 years old and smarter than I’ll be in 100 years, but what struck me was that they are just… people. They go to a bar to have a drink after a long day, they have relationships, friendships and fights. That’s what I held onto.”

Eiza González, Benedict Wong, Rosalind Chao, Jovan Adepo and Jonathan Pryce are also in the cast, alongside Benioff and Weiss’ regular Bradley – praised by Series Mania general director Laurence Herszberg for the fact that unlike so many others, his character in “GoT” “never died.”

“The great thing about their writing in ‘GoT’ and ‘3 Body Problem’ is that it takes these huge swings and creates these huge worlds, but they are very careful to put real characters in them. They know that if you don’t care about these people, you won’t care about the stakes,” he observed. His character, Jack Rooney, wasn’t in the novels.

“This show is based on books, which is a blessing and a curse, because there is a group of people that can be disappointed if we don’t get the adaptation right. But because he isn’t in the books, it’s not my fault,” he joked.

“‘GoT’ was huge when it came to the scope, but this is probably even bigger. Part of our show takes place in China in the 1960s, part takes place in the here and now, part takes place in the VR video game. We started shooting nearly three years ago, so it has been a long road, but we are very confident and we hope people will like it. It feels like it will be something you have never seen before.”

“3 Body Problem” premieres on Netflix on March 21.

Yoda 03-16-24 10:44 AM

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I read the books over late 2022/early 2023, and I'm not surprised, if they even sort of do them justice, they've gotta pack a lot of very heady concepts in to a relatively short runtime. So this is maybe bad news for more casual fans and good news for people who read and enjoyed the books, maybe? Should be a spectacle, regardless, that everyone can appreciate on that level, at least.

Pretty excited for it.

chawhee 03-16-24 10:56 AM

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I havent read the books, but the trailer piqued my interest enough to give this a shot.

Austruck 03-17-24 06:46 PM

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Aww, I'd been scrolling right past this one anytime Netflix tried to throw it at me.

Now I'm gonna have to give it a watch. :D

FilmBuff 03-18-24 02:32 PM

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Sedai 03-19-24 09:18 PM

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Chris Gore of Film Threat said this:

"I loved Lost, but Lost kept opening these mystery boxes, and none of them ever paid off!! Like, none of them! 3 Body Problem is the show Lost wanted to be, but couldn't become due to the writing. 3 Body Problem also opens lots of mystery boxes, but they all pay off!"

Also: "The show doesn't talk down to it's audience..."

I like Chris and I think he has a pretty good bead on quality these days. This gives me hope the show will be at least pretty good.

Have read all the books, and I agree they will be hard to adapt.

Also: No Obama, so: :up: :up: ;)

pahaK 03-20-24 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Sedai (Post 2447520)
Have read all the books, and I agree they will be hard to adapt.
I have a dilemma about whether to start watching the show tomorrow or try to get the books somehow and read them first.

Yoda 03-20-24 04:14 PM

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That's a tough call, really down to what you enjoy. If you're the kind of person who really enjoys the reveals in shows rather than the execution, then maybe best to hold off reading. But if you can, for example, know a story already and still really enjoy watching it unfold, then go for it.

The best argument for reading the books first is that there's some fairly complicated stuff going on and it's not clear how well that will come across in the show alone.

FilmBuff 03-20-24 05:34 PM


The “Game of Thrones” creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss were finishing off their hit HBO series after an eight-season run and wondering what was next. That was when the Netflix executive Peter Friedlander approached them with a trilogy of science-fiction books by the Chinese novelist Liu Cixin called “Remembrance of Earth’s Past.”

“We knew that it won the Hugo Award, which is a big deal for us since we grew up as nerds,” Benioff said of the literary prize for science fiction. Barack Obama was also on record as a fan.

Benioff and Weiss dipped in and were intrigued by what they found: a sweeping space invasion saga that begins in 1960s China, amid the turmoil of the Cultural Revolution, and involves a superior alien race that has built a rabid cultlike following on Earth. A heady mix of science and skulduggery, featuring investigations both scientific and criminal, it felt utterly unique. “So much content right now feels like, ‘Oh, here’s another forensic show, here’s another legal thriller,’ it just feels like it’s a version of something you’ve seen,” Benioff said. “This universe is a different one.”

Or, as Weiss added, “This is the universe.”

Those novels are now the core of “3 Body Problem,” a new series that Benioff and Weiss created with Alexander Woo (“True Blood”). It premiered on opening night at the South by Southwest Film Festival and arrives Thursday on Netflix. The setting has changed along the way, with most of the action unfolding in London rather than China (although the Cultural Revolution is still a key element), and the characters, most of them young and pretty, now represent several countries. But the central themes remain the same: belief, fear, discovery and an Earth imperiled by superior beings. Among the heroes are the gruff intelligence chief Thomas Wade, played by the “Thrones” veteran Liam Cunningham, and a team of five young, reluctant, Oxford-trained physicists played by John Bradley — another “Thrones” star — Jovan Adepo, Eiza Gonzáles, Jess Hong and Alex Sharp. Can they save the world for their descendants?

In an interview in Austin the day of the SXSW premiere, the series creators discussed life after “Thrones,” their personal ties to “3 Body Problem” and the trick to making physics sexy. These are edited excerpts from the conversation.

The series is quite different from the books, particularly the settings and characters, both of which are a lot less Chinese. How did this come about?

D.B. WEISS Once the long process of acquiring the rights to the books was finished, we ended up with the rights for an English-language adaptation. So if we had kept all the characters Chinese in China, then we would’ve had a whole show set in China in English. We also thought it was really important to the nature of the story that the group of people working together to solve this problem look like the world. Obviously, there’s going to be an American involved. There’s a Chinese person who was born in China, but also the Chinese diaspora. There are people from Southwest Asia. There are people from Latin South America. It just made fundamental sense to us to broaden the scope of it, because if this happened to the world, it feels like that’s what would happen in the process of dealing with it.

“Game of Thrones” was a cultural behemoth. How did that experience inform how you approached this show?

WEISS I thought we were making a show for a lot of Dungeons and Dragons players. Of which I am one.

DAVID BENIOFF And it wasn’t a behemoth out of the gate. In case anyone from Netflix is listening: It took years for that show to become big, and they had faith in it and stuck with it. But one of the things I think we learned on “Thrones” was to hire really good people who know what they’re doing, and then make sure they understand what you’re looking for.

We’ve been talking a lot about Ramin Djawadi, our composer from “Thrones,” who’s also the composer on this show and hopefully the composer on everything we ever do. Nine times out of 10, when he delivers a cue to us, we’re like, “That’s great, Ramin.” And then the 10th time — sometimes we don’t even know exactly what’s wrong with it, it’s like, “I don’t know.” And he’ll think about it for a second and say, “Let me just take another shot at it. I get it.” And that’s rare, I think, to find someone who’s such a high-level artist who’s also that open and doesn’t get easily offended. We have a number of people like that we worked with on “Thrones” that we brought with us to this show.

How about having such a fervent fan base that wasn’t shy about what they wanted, especially down the stretch of the series?

BENIOFF It was interesting. We live in interesting times.

WEISS You want people to watch what you make, but you don’t get to control people’s reactions to what you make.

BENIOFF Not yet.

WEISS We’re working on a device. I’m sure somebody’s working on it, anyway. But until they make the device, you make the story that you want to make, if you’re lucky enough to have the backing necessary to do that, then let what happens happen.

You don’t see a lot of series that look at Mao’s Cultural Revolution. The opening struggle session sequence is terrifying.

ALEXANDER WOO It’s a part of history that is not written about in fiction very much, let alone filmed. And my family lived through it, as did the family of Derek Tsang, who directed the first two episodes. We give a lot of credit to him for bringing that to life, because he knew that it had not been filmed with this clinical eye maybe ever. He took enormous pains to have every detail of it depicted as real as it could be. I showed it to my mother, and you could see a chill coming over her, and she said, “That’s real. This is what really happened.” And she added, “Why would you show something like that? Why do you make people experience something so terrible?” But that’s how we knew we’d done our job.

Austruck 03-20-24 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by pahaK (Post 2447828)
I have a dilemma about whether to start watching the show tomorrow or try to get the books somehow and read them first.
Same dilemma. :)

Yoda 03-22-24 11:22 AM

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It's here. I watched the first two episodes last night.

I'm genuinely surprised and kind of impressed at how much they managed to fit into two episodes...and that they did it without things feeling especially rushed. Really leaning into the mystery aspects, which I think is smart. So many times reading the books I thought "oh man, in the hands of a good showrunner, there are so many great points at which to end an episode on a huge reveal, or a huge decision," and so far they're delivering on that really well.

Austruck 03-22-24 12:09 PM

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Just bought the Kindle edition of the first book. Sometimes I prefer to at least start watching a series before reading the book(s). It was that way with Game of Thrones. I'd started the first book three or four times, but I always had trouble figuring out what was going on and who was who. I kept giving up. By this point the first episodes of the series were available, and Yoda suggested I watch an episode or two, just to give my brain images to cling to. I was skeptical, but that worked, and I then went back to the books and read them straight through, finishing before the end of the first season of the TV series.

So, I'll start by trying to read the first book and will wait to watch. I think I prefer things that way (generaly speaking), so maybe it'll work this time. But at least I know I can watch an episode or two if I need to get grounded in the story's universe a little better. I might have to avoid this thread here, though, so I avoid spoilers. :)

Yoda 03-22-24 12:17 PM

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Okay, so, mixed response:

First, yes, that's an incredible shortcut, it works so well it almost doesn't make sense. I do it whenever I can. It actually makes such a difference that I know, for a fact, I heard a lot of major spoilers from the books and completely forget a lot of the specifics about them, but I know if I'd heard them after watching even a single episode I'd have locked them right in.

Second, unfortunately that won't work as well here, because they've basically taken one character and made them into three. It'll still help, but not as much.

Austruck 03-22-24 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2448282)
Okay, so, mixed response:

First, yes, that's an incredible shortcut, it works so well it almost doesn't make sense. I do it whenever I can. It actually makes such a difference that I know, for a fact, I heard a lot of major spoilers from the books and completely forget a lot of the specifics about them, but I know if I'd heard them after watching even a single episode I'd have locked them right in.

Second, unfortunately that won't work as well here, because they've basically taken one character and made them into three. It'll still help, but not as much.
I'll try harder to rely on the books first then.

Frankly, much of the GoT problems arose because I really hadn't read much fantasy at all at that point (if any). And Martin just throws you into the world with a lot of characters at once and no solid foundation to start from. Well, that was MY experience, anyway, as a noob fantasy reader. I've read more fantasy since then, and it's gotten easier over time.

So since that first book is loading onto my Kindle even as I type this, I'll start there and hope for the best. :)

ynwtf 03-22-24 12:30 PM

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Trying hard to resist desires to reference another series that comfortably only started with TWO characters! The world grew around them.... but I won't do that. I won't.

I am sowwy, but it's so hard to feel sowwy.
:(

lol I WILL apologize for the fact that I've just realized: my time here seems to have fallen between random shouts and harassing AU over this one friggin show. I feel bad for that. Kinda. Not really, but enough to recognize the annoyance potential. Me = sowwy for that at least. I will try to rein that in. I'll try, just so many times I feel I HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO GO!!!

kk. gotta go study up on ELO a bit with Spotify as we just ordered tickets to their final tour. I have no idea who this band is.


*EDIT*
I was actually here to read the thread as this show does interest me.

Yoda 03-22-24 12:34 PM

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This is your solution: get caught up in a new show with a big twisty mythology! Sort of. It probably won't scratch that surreal itch, but it does go to some wild places. There's stuff in the books I thought "okay, they might have to tone down how weird this is for a show or movie" and the show just...does it. As early as episode 2 you'll have a "what on earth am I watching right now?" moment.

Austruck 03-22-24 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 2448288)
Trying hard to resist desires to reference another series that comfortably only started with TWO characters! The world grew around them.... but I won't do that. I won't.

I am sowwy, but it's so hard to feel sowwy.
:(

lol I WILL apologize for the fact that I've just realized: my time here seems to have fallen between random shouts and harassing AU over this one friggin show. I feel bad for that. Kinda. Not really, but enough to recognize the annoyance potential. Me = sowwy for that at least. I will try to rein that in. I'll try, just so many times I feel I HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO GO!!!

kk. gotta go study up on ELO a bit with Spotify as we just ordered tickets to their final tour. I have no idea who this band is.


*EDIT*
I was actually here to read the thread as this show does interest me.
No need to apologize to ME. I find your posts/comments about The Show That Shall Not Be Named delightful. :) Wrong, but delightful.

As for ELO, I just got tickets to go to this show too, here in Pittsburgh in September. But then again, they were at the height of their popularity when I was in high school and I LOVED them, so it makes sense that I should go see them in this final tour. Start with the two-record album Out of the Blue, and then just go straight to their greatest hits album. That'll school ya.

ynwtf 03-22-24 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Austruck (Post 2448305)
No need to apologize to ME. I find your posts/comments about The Show That Shall Not Be Named delightful. :) Wrong, but delightful.

As for ELO, I just got tickets to go to this show too, here in Pittsburgh in September. But then again, they were at the height of their popularity when I was in high school and I LOVED them, so it makes sense that I should go see them in this final tour. Start with the two-record album Out of the Blue, and then just go straight to their greatest hits album. That'll school ya.

lol, "wrong."

I started with Out of the Blue. Turn to Stone is pretty cool actually. Like, I kinda wanna cover it now for some reason. They're pretty out there for their time, it seems. This is Kelly's favorite band apparently. She texted Wednesday all excited and wanting tickets so we met that evening to look over the venue. We were able to snag two seats, so we are (well, SHE is) pretty excited. I've never had such fancy tickets to anything before. I hope you enjoy the show!!

btw, we're both broke now.

Austruck 03-22-24 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 2448313)
lol, "wrong."

I started with Out of the Blue. Turn to Stone is pretty cool actually. Like, I kinda wanna cover it now for some reason. They're pretty out there for their time, it seems. This is Kelly's favorite band apparently. She texted Wednesday all excited and wanting tickets so we met that evening to look over the venue. We were able to snag two seats, so we are (well, SHE is) pretty excited. I've never had such fancy tickets to anything before. I hope you enjoy the show!!

btw, we're both broke now.
There are four of us going, all of us old enough to have loved them back in the 1970s. My favorites are Mr. Blue Sky (you may have heard that one--it's been used in commercials and other places--Jungle, and Sweet Talkin' Woman. Well, almost the whole album, really...

Okay, wrong thread for this discussion. :D

Austruck 03-22-24 01:34 PM

Also, I assume you know that ELO means Electric Light Orchestra. And yes, they were the only band like this back then.

pahaK 03-22-24 08:01 PM

I decided to start watching the show. After four episodes, it feels, I don't know, disappointing. It's not terrible, but all the rave about the books made me expect something more.

Does it differ greatly from the books (preferably as spoiler-free answer as possible)?

Yoda 03-22-24 08:36 PM

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It's a pretty mystery-heavy show, so it's probably hard to judge smack dab in the middle.

Sedai 03-22-24 10:46 PM

Just finished episode one, which was excellent. About to start the second; I hope the quality continues!

Sedai 03-23-24 10:33 AM

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After two episodes, I decided to stop and go to bed, just to give the first couple of episodes a little time to marinate. While the show pretty much nails the sections in China, I found some of the changes in regards to casting and characterization across the pond to be pretty confounding. I understand why they made the choice to delete a couple of Chinese characters and recast them in order to give the show a broader appeal to Western audiences, but it's the way they did it that has me scratching my head. Why go with a Abercrombie and Fitch CW style group of friends? Not sure I care for that. I think there was a better version of the cast that was still diverse, but didn't come off as such an obvious attempt at box-ticking. Why not have various characters from different scientific institutions from around the globe? I think that may have worked better. The books weren't really super character-driven, so clearly some changes had to happen to draw people into the show, but I have a feeling the way they went about it could end up unraveling and sending the show in directions it doesn't need to go. Hopefully they are able to keep the focus on the high concept stuff in the books while not becoming subsumed in melodrama.

That said, the show still does a lot right. I will watch more and report back afterward!

FilmBuff 03-23-24 01:04 PM

:eek:

https://i.postimg.cc/gJnkwV9w/IMG-0721.jpg

chawhee 03-27-24 08:54 AM

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I started watching a few episodes last night, and I am certainly curious as to where this is going. I don't enjoy the attempts at character drama like Sedai mentioned though. It has an Alex Garland and Devs kind of feel for me so far.

Sedai 03-27-24 10:52 AM

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Still haven't got back to this yet. Splitting the main protagonist into 5 characters is really bizarre and I am still processing it. Will certainly continue watching once I get some time.

Yoda 03-27-24 11:14 AM

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Initially, I thought the character split was just a necessary concession to the switch in mediums (in TV people care about characters more than plot, as a general rule, and the book's characters are exactly as poor as you'd expect from a hard sci-fi novel)...but after the first half of the season, I started to see what they were going for, realize which characters were being "assigned" which things in the story, and it started really working for me. There's a lot of cool allusions in there about things that happen later, or won't happen until next season (or even after that). They did a good job with the meta stuff and symbolism and all that.

I'm pleasantly surprised by the whole thing. I have a lot of criticisms, for sure, but there are a few things it nailed, were more or less exactly as I'd imagined, and some of the changes I can at least see were pretty thoughtful and show a lot of advance planning.

Definitely hope they get to make the whole thing because it gets much crazier, somehow.

John McClane 03-27-24 11:31 AM

like Lost?

fool me once shame on you

fool my twice and i’ll probably still keep watching

:indifferent:

Yoda 03-27-24 11:37 AM

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To me, there's always a big difference between mythology-heavy shows that are being potentially made-up and those drawing from existing source material. The books cohere (whatever my overall issues with them) and so far they've hit all the major story beats, so I expect they'll just keep doing that. The areas where they're putting their stamp on it is with the character stuff, which the books are pretty bad at anyway.

Sedai 03-27-24 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by John McClane (Post 2449530)
like Lost?

fool me once shame on you

fool my twice and i’ll probably still keep watching

:indifferent:
The big different here, at least according to the spoiler-free review over at Film Threat, is that this show delivers/reveals its mystery box stuff, instead of just blowing a ton of it off.

Allegedly!

chawhee 03-31-24 10:06 AM

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Just finished the first season, and I thought it was a bit of a waste after such good introductory episodes. I'll defer to others in terms of how it will improve and develop based on the books, but I felt like the second half of the season was a letdown.

Much more "unnecessary" talking and character drama than desired, and some coincidental events that all seem to happen by good fortune just to move things along quicker. I'm being finicky, but I probably wouldn't have started watching this if I knew the whole thing was just going to set up the next season(s).

ynwtf 04-01-24 11:12 PM

Allegedly.
WARNING: spoilers below
less like Lost and more like Heroes




At least IMHO, watching the show without novel contexts.


:yup:

Austruck 04-09-24 07:30 PM

I'm about one third of the way through the first book. I'm itching to watch some of the series but I keep holding off.


Question for those who have read AND watched: Is this first season incorporating the first book? Then the second book will be the second season, etc.? Will I confuse myself more by watching any of the episodes now, not even halfway through the book?

Yoda 04-09-24 07:34 PM

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The first season mostly incorporates the first book, but moves some things up from the second, and more importantly puts lots of little bits of foreshadowing (usually having to do with the changes they made, character-wise) for the series as a whole.

But no, I don't think you'll find it confusing either way.

Austruck 04-10-24 09:24 AM

For those of you who read the book(s) first: How did you discover them? I realized yesterday that I'm reading them because the Netflix series is getting a lot of buzz. I'd have never found them otherwise, and, frankly, I think I'd have stopped reading by now if it weren't for the series seeming very interesting. Wanting to eventually watch the show is keeping me reading.


If you read the books before even knowing about the series, what kept you reading? I'm not really engaged with the characters, and the plot, while intriguing, wouldn't be enough to keep me going without the show being dangled like a carrot on a stick in front of me.

Sedai 04-10-24 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Austruck (Post 2453503)
For those of you who read the book(s) first: How did you discover them?
I am constantly watching best-of lists and BookTube videos to add books to be To Read list. This got a lot of buzz when it was released. When I finally got around to reading them, only two books were out, so I had to wait a bit for the third to get released.

Austruck 04-10-24 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Sedai (Post 2453508)
I am constantly watching best-of lists and BookTube videos to add books to be To Read list. This got a lot of buzz when it was released. When I finally got around to reading them, only two books were out, so I had to wait a bit for the third to get released.
Thanks for this. I'm now at about 45% done with the first book. The writing seems a tad stilted to me in many sections--too much telling and not showing. The bits that are inside the Three Body world are far more fascinating and far more well written (IMHO), so I've found those parts way more engaging.

Also, I admit (to my shame) that part of my problem is probably getting character names confused. To my Western eye, many of the character names look similar as I read. (To be fair, this is the kind of issue I also had with the first Game of Thrones book...until I watched a few episodes of the then-new series and got the world and some of those early characters straight in my head. Then I breezed through with no problems.)

Now that I'm closing in on the halfway mark, I think I'm going to try to get through this first book before viewing any of the Netflix episodes.

Sedai 04-10-24 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Austruck (Post 2453514)
Thanks for this. I'm now at about 45% done with the first book. The writing seems a tad stilted to me in many sections--too much telling and not showing. The bits that are inside the Three Body world are far more fascinating and far more well written (IMHO), so I've found those parts way more engaging.

Also, I admit (to my shame) that part of my problem is probably getting character names confused. To my Western eye, many of the character names look similar as I read. (To be fair, this is the kind of issue I also had with the first Game of Thrones book...until I watched a few episodes of the then-new series and got the world and some of those early characters straight in my head. Then I breezed through with no problems.)

Now that I'm closing in on the halfway mark, I think I'm going to try to get through this first book before viewing any of the Netflix episodes.
Yea, I think it's sort of universally accepted at this point that the characterizations are the weakest aspect of the books. The author was clearly more interested in the concepts, just sort of using the characters to convey them as he went along. I do recall that stuff improving quite a bit in the second book.

pahaK 04-10-24 01:27 PM

Instead of buying the books, I started watching the Chinese series. While it's technically inferior to the Netflix version, I like its approach more. That's after only five episodes of thirty, so there's lots of time to change my opinion.

The difference I like the most is...
WARNING: spoilers below
...that the Chinese version is very Lovecraftian. It's as close to cosmic horror as any recent science fiction phenomenon.

ynwtf 04-10-24 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by pahaK (Post 2453569)
Instead of buying the books, I started watching the Chinese series. While it's technically inferior to the Netflix version, I like its approach more. That's after only five episodes of thirty, so there's lots of time to change my opinion.

The difference I like the most is...
WARNING: spoilers below
...that the Chinese version is very Lovecraftian. It's as close to cosmic horror as any recent science fiction phenomenon.

Huh. I noticed a "three body" title on Amazon Prime the other night that looks like it just came out this year. Is this what you're watching?

Yoda 04-10-24 01:44 PM

Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
 
There are like three adaptations already, this thread is about the one on Netflix, which is easily the "biggest" version of them.

pahaK 04-10-24 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 2453576)
Huh. I noticed a "three body" title on Amazon Prime the other night that looks like it just came out this year. Is this what you're watching?
It seems to be on Amazon Prime (at least in the US, not here in Finland, though), so I'd say yes.

Yoda 04-10-24 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by pahaK (Post 2453648)
It seems to be on Amazon Prime (at least in the US, not here in Finland, though), so I'd say yes.
That's a different one, lower budget. And that one's from last year; the "big" one on Netflix is from 2024.

Yes, it's confusing that there are both Chinese and American productions of this out.

Captain Steel 04-10-24 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Austruck (Post 2448329)
Also, I assume you know that ELO means Electric Light Orchestra. And yes, they were the only band like this back then.
I love ELO!

Strange coincidence:
I watched the first 2 episodes of Lost (I was hoping for a survival action / drama: kind of like a serious version of Gilligan's Island or Castaway with a larger cast) - then discontinued.

I watched the first episode of Game of Thrones (I had HBO at the time) - then discontinued.

pahaK 04-11-24 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2453664)
That's a different one, lower budget. And that one's from last year; the "big" one on Netflix is from 2024.

Yes, it's confusing that there are both Chinese and American productions of this out.
I assumed ynwtf was asking what I was watching (it's kinda vague as "you" is both singular and plural). I've watched the Netflix version and now I'm watching the Chinese version (which is clearly lower budget and technically flawed but seems to be a more interesting adaptation of the story).

Yoda 04-11-24 10:16 AM

Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
 
Ah, got it. :up:

Austruck 04-11-24 10:27 AM

Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
 
(sigh) I realize my reaction today to reading the first book might be a continued lack of sleep (there are contractors in my house making noise all day starting just before 7 a.m.), but I am rapidly losing interest in reading. I'm at the halfway mark now, and the inordinate amount of info-dump in lieu of story is starting to grate on me. If I cared about these characters (well, the older woman Ye isn't bad, but even Wang Xiamo is starting to annoy me), then maybe it'd be easier to get through this. But it definitely feels, as someone here mentioned, like the author had a science-fictiony idea he's excited about and shoehorned it into a story. I'm guessing the Netflix adaptation is more forgiving in this area.

And still, I am trying to read the whole book first.

Austruck 04-17-24 01:42 PM

Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
 
Well, somewhere past the halfway point I am probably giving up on reading the first book. I've been envisioning how this thing has been adapted to the screen and it's just too much curiosity now. Plus, I was constantly aware that I wasn't enjoying reading this book and was only slogging on so that I'd know I'd read the whole thing before watching it.

That no longer seemed like a good enough reason to keep reading. I have SO many other books I'd rather be reading. So I'm off to start the first episode of the Netflix series. :D

Austruck 04-17-24 01:51 PM

Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
 
By the way, I'm proud of myself that I guessed within seconds of the opening credits and music that it must be the same composer who wrote the opening music for Westworld. :)

Austruck 04-18-24 09:51 AM

Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
 
First episode watched... and frankly, a LOT more of what I was reading makes a LOT more sense now. I was following what I thought was the story just fine in the book, but it wasn't holding my interest for some reason. That first episode of the Netflix series congealed some things for me (that I had tied together but not strongly enough). I can see now where the split of one character into several happens (and making them not ALL Chinese), and I think that happened so that the several characters can talk to *each other* instead of the show trying to get into a single character's thought processes.

I think this is often why Stephen King adaptations fall flat: so much of King's writing hinges on being inside a character's head. That's fabulous in book form but doesn't translate well to a screen. So, in his case, the books/stories are almost always better. In the case of Three Body Problem, I'd say I prefer several characters interacting onscreen rather than being in a single character's head in the book.

Austruck 04-21-24 05:15 PM

Re: 3 Body Problem (Netflix)
 
Finished the eight available episodes. For anyone who's also read the books... how far did this first season get into the story? Based on the 50%-ish of the first book that I made it through before giving up, I'd say these eight episode must have dipped into the second book. I have a hard time imagining that everything that happened in the eight episodes was all from only the first book.

And I had hoped that these eight episodes would have finished out the story, but apparently not. (sigh) Around episode seven, I realized there was no way they'd be wrapping up the storyline in an episode and a half. :) So now I wait.

And now I have to decide whether to watch any of the other adaptations... :D

Yoda 04-21-24 05:37 PM

Not sure if that's what you asked before or if there's something subtly different, but:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2453416)
The first season mostly incorporates the first book, but moves some things up from the second, and more importantly puts lots of little bits of foreshadowing (usually having to do with the changes they made, character-wise) for the series as a whole.
Not only does it not wrap up the story, but the books go to some really bonkers places. Yes, even more bonkers than they already have. This series really "goes there," in all sorts of ways.

Sedai 04-22-24 11:08 AM

I was wondering how...

WARNING: "3 Body Problem" spoilers below
...the series was going to present the sophons, and at first I got nervous when there was a character in the show actually named Sophon (the cigarette smoking invisible-to-cameras chick). While I liked the idea of presenting the inner dialogue of the main character by spitting him into a bunch of new main characters for the show, condensing the sophons into some disaffected millennial was not sitting well with me. So, I was happy when they brought the actual sophons into the mix, and I think they did it pretty well; I enjoyed the reveal and the presentation of it. It's such a cool idea and so integral to the story, and I couldn't fathom how it could have worked in that first anthropomorphized characterization. Glad we got the real thing eventually!


Anyway, I have two more episodes to go, and I will catch up on those this week.I would have gotten through it faster, but we are watching multiple shows right now (Lost and Person of Interest), and my wife isn't watching this with me, although she was asking about it last ight, so maybe I will be watching the entire season again soon!

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