Oscar's Best Actress 2023
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The five nominees are...
Cate Blanchett, Tár Ana de Armas, Blonde Andrea Riseborough, To Leslie Michelle Williams, The Fabelmans Michelle Yeoh, Everything Everywhere All at Once |
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Blanchett will win and would be a very deserving winner.
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Originally Posted by Allaby (Post 2365301)
Blanchett will win and would be a very deserving winner.
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2365308)
I just saw a short clip of her performance and even that was pretty impressive. Really looking forward to the whole thing.
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She was good in Tar but I think she's had better performances.
Only saw her and Williams this far. I'd still take Blanchett |
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We're gonna look back on Blanchett as being the greatest actress of all time, aren't we?
I know, I know, Streep. Maybe. But... |
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I'll happily say Blanchett over Streep
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Taylor > E'rybody
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Originally Posted by John-Connor (Post 2365417)
Taylor > E'rybody
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Originally Posted by Holden Pike (Post 2365440)
Elizabeth Taylor?
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I've only seen Blonde and Everything Everywhere... so far but both very worthy nominations.
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2365414)
We're gonna look back on Blanchett as being the greatest actress of all time, aren't we?
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Originally Posted by ScarletLion (Post 2365471)
No. I hope not. She's amazing in Tar, really phenomenal. But she's not the best actress of all time!!!
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Definitely one of the best of all time, and assuredly among the best of our time.
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2365472)
Who is?
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To each their own.
I think part of it depends on how much we value sheer range. Blanchett is brave. |
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2365478)
To each their own.
I think part of it depends on how much we value sheer range. Blanchett is brave. Also, if it's brave actresses you're after, then she's not in the same league as Charlotte Gainsbourg who I'd also rate a better actress than Blanchett. But she's never likely to be in one of these threads for obvious reasons. (38 major nominations in her career, not one from the Academy) |
I would also add Deneuve, Adjani, the Hepburns to the list.
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I'll be honest, after four previous nominations, I really thought this was going to be Williams' year, in addition to the fact that Blanchett already has two Oscars, but then I saw Tar. The movie isn't great but Blanchett is nothing short of extraordinary and she's been winning everything so far, so it's really looking like Blanchett could win a third Oscar. BTW, the only one of the above performances I haven't seen is Risenborough.
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I love Ana de Armas but didn't like her in Blonde. Dedicated, for sure, but her voice was quite grating and silly I thought. Felt sorry for what they did to her.
Hated Everything Everywhere but Michelle Yeoh gives a good performance, probably the best performance in the film. Liked Michelle Williams in The Fablemans. Don't know much about To Leslie so will add it to my watchlist. Looking forward to seeing Cate Blanchett in Tar. Definitely one of the most incredible actresses ever. |
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Blanchett has not proven she is great at comedy, yet. To be fair she hasn't taken a lot of swings at the genre, but Where'd You Go, Bernadette? is bad and she is flat in it, so flat that I don't know that she has a light comedy gear. Her best comic performance to date is probably Don't Look Up as the vapid morning show talking head, but it is a supporting role. I know she won her previous Best Actress Oscar for Woody Allen's Blue Jasmine, but that is Woody's specific brand of dramady and frankly I don't think it is one of her best roles anyway, Oscar not withstanding.
Streep does have a comedy gear. Kate Hepburn did, of course. Not that comedy chops are a prerequisite for being deemed "best of all time", but it is a deficit I see in her. Thus far. But Daniel Day-Lewis isn't much of a comedian, either (ever seen Stars & Bars? Yowza) and surely he must be in the conversation for the best of the best. |
Originally Posted by rauldc14 (Post 2365401)
She was good in Tar but I think she's had better performances.
Only saw her and Williams this far. I'd still take Blanchett What Blanchett performance do you think is better than Tar? |
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I know I'm of the minority, but I think Grace Kelly and Naomi Watts deserve some props too.
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Also wanted to mention that I think Risenborough's nomination should have gone to Danielle Deadwyler for Till
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Originally Posted by Daniel M (Post 2365487)
I love Ana de Armas but didn't like her in Blonde. Dedicated, for sure, but her voice was quite grating and silly I thought. Felt sorry for what they did to her.
Hated Everything Everywhere but Michelle Yeoh gives a good performance, probably the best performance in the film. Liked Michelle Williams in The Fablemans. Don't know much about To Leslie so will add it to my watchlist. Looking forward to seeing Cate Blanchett in Tar. Definitely one of the most incredible actresses ever. Ana de Afrmas works very hard in Blonde, but my white hot hatred for the film has colored my feelings about her performance. |
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I couldn't finish Tar. Too slow and boring for my taste. I voted for Yeoh, even though I did not like Everything Everywhere.
Cate has already won twice before. This is the year they award an Asian actress. It's politics as usual. |
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Would swap De Armas and Riseborough for V.Davis and D. Deadwyler easily.
Riseborough's nomination and the actions surrounding it has the potential to overshadow the ceremony and potentially derail Andrea's career...maybe....possibly...sort of. Not a good look at all. |
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Deadwyler should have gotten a nomination.
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Originally Posted by mojofilter (Post 2365577)
I couldn't finish Tar. Too slow and boring for my taste. I voted for Yeoh, even though I did not like Everything Everywhere.
Cate has already won twice before. This is the year they award an Asian actress. It's politics as usual. |
Originally Posted by Gideon58 (Post 2365893)
Don't be fooled that the fact that she already has two Oscars is going to count against Blanchett. She's already won the Globe and the BAFTA, not to mention the fact that it's an extraordinary performance.
Don't get me wrong, I think Cate is a brilliant actress, possibly the second best actress of all time behind Meryl Streep. But I think the Academy wants to make history by awarding the Asian actors this year. |
Originally Posted by Gideon58 (Post 2365891)
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Deadwyler should have gotten a nomination.
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Originally Posted by mojofilter (Post 2365894)
If she wins, wouldn't that make her the first actress in history to win 3 Oscars?
Don't get me wrong, I think Cate is a brilliant actress, possibly the second best actress of all time behind Meryl Streep. But I think the Academy wants to make history by awarding the Asian actors this year. |
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Straight shootout between Cate Blanchett & Michelle Yeoh. Michelle is probably the fav given the wave EEAAO is on, but don't discount Cate as she was pretty fantastic in Tar... then again, when isn't she?)
Apart from those 2 though, strange picks for the other noms, and some glaring omissions IMO. |
I know it was more of a supporting role, and it probably won’t happen here, but Michelle Williams is due as well.
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If you haven't seen Andrea Riseborough s performance Im here to tell you to go see it. Simply one of the best performances I've seen in quite some time.
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Just finished watching To Leslie so I have now seen all five Best Actress nominees. As good as Riseborough was, I still think Deadwyler was better in Till
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I've seen 4/5 of the performances here - haven't seen To Leslie. Personally, I thought Michelle Williams in The Fabelmans was the best, and I want her to win, but this is another contest between two - it's Michelle Yeoh vs Cate Blanchett for the Oscar. I gravitate towards Cate Blanchett because she's Australian and she was terrific. The only other notable is in a negative sense - Ana de Armas was terrible in Blonde.
Originally Posted by Daniel M (Post 2365487)
I love Ana de Armas but didn't like her in Blonde. Dedicated, for sure, but her voice was quite grating and silly I thought. Felt sorry for what they did to her.
Originally Posted by Gideon58 (Post 2365486)
I'll be honest, after four previous nominations, I really thought this was going to be Williams' year, in addition to the fact that Blanchett already has two Oscars, but then I saw Tar. The movie isn't great but Blanchett is nothing short of extraordinary and she's been winning everything so far, so it's really looking like Blanchett could win a third Oscar. BTW, the only one of the above performances I haven't seen is Risenborough.
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I watched To Leslie today. I thought Andrea Riseborough was good, but not exceptional or Oscar worthy.
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While Cate Blanchett is not the oldest of the five nominees she is definitely the most nominated. Tár is her seventh nomination and she has two wins (for Woody's Blue Jasmine in this category and for The Aviator's Kate Hepburn in the Supporting category). Had she not won an Oscar, or not won Best Actress before, I'd say she was due the way Glenn Close is way overdue. With a couple Oscars at home already I don't suspect Tár, while a good performance of course, is so overpowering that it will get her a third. But obviously barring getting hit by a bus she is going to be back here many more times. She won't ever catch Meryl Streep's number of nominations (quite possibly nobody ever will), but she will surely get into double digits. The one who may well win chiefly because she hasn't won before is Michelle Williams. This is her fifth nomination (Blue Valentine and My Week with Marilyn as Best Actress and Brokeback Mountain and Manchester by the Sea as Supporting). She plays essentially Steven Spielberg's eccentric mother in his thinly-veiled The Fabelmans, and while she is good and has a couple showy scenes it hardly feels like a meaty lead role and after all the impressive work she has done, including unnominated turns in Kelly Reichardt's Wendy & Lucy, Meek's Cutoff, and Certain Women, it would be a little hollow to win Best Actress for a solid but not-much-more role. Yet stranger things have happened. Speaking of playing Marilyn Monroe, while the film itself was incredibly divisive (and understandably so) you can't really fault Ana de Armas or her performance. I can't and her fellows in the Acting Branch of the Academy didn't, anyway. I like what director Andrew Dominik was going for in Blonde, even though I don't think he hit his target very often. But I was mesmerized by de Armas, and not just because she is nude for seemingly about a third of the flick. The Cuban-born beauty seemed to come out of nowhere when she flickered seductively in Blade Runner 2049 (2017) and then shined so very brightly at the center of Knives Out (2019). At only thirty-four she should continue to see her star rise. Blonde is so derided by its detractors I can't see her winning, but I will not be shocked to see her back again as a nominee more than once in the next couple decades. And for those keeping score at home, that makes two actresses who have been Oscar nominated for playing Marilyn (Williams & de Armas) while Monroe herself was never nominated. And speaking of controversy, the brouhaha over Andrea Riseborough's nomination was much ado about nada. For those who have now taken the time to find and watch To Leslie there is no doubt it is an Oscar-worthy performance. Playing a Texas woman who once won a couple hundred thousand dollars in the lottery only to blow it all on booze and excess over the years, alienating her friends and most crucially her son, Riseborough is sad and tragic and absolutely magnetic. The performance is all the more impressive if you are just learning that Andrea is English. Mike Leigh's Happy-Go-Lucky (2008) was probably the first time I noticed her and you may have seen her in Battle of the Sexes (2017), The Death of Stalin (2017), Mandy (2018), The Electrical Life of Louis Wain (2021), or last year's disappointing Amsterdam (2022). She is heartbreaking and fully committed in To Leslie. While she has long odds of actually winning her odds of even making the Best Actress cut seemed long, too. Michelle Yeoh is somehow sixty-years-old and started acting in film almost forty years ago! After becoming an action star in Hong Kong she hit the international stage, first as a Bond girl in Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) and then in Ang Lee's worldwide phenomenon Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2000). Since then she has moved back and forth between the Asian and English film businesses and I am sure had no idea that agreeing to do The Daniels' weird, funky little script would land her with her first Oscar nomination. It may lead to a win, both for the fun and dexterity of her work in Everything Everywhere All at Once and for her long career. If she were to win Malaysia-born Yeoh would be only the third Asian woman to win an acting award, following Youn Yuh-jung (Korean) for Minari a couple years back and Miyoshi Umeki (Japanese) for Sayonara (1957), both in the Supporting Actress category. |
This is a really strong group, but Blanchett is a fave and we don’t get to see her absolutely kill it often enough.
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I voted Yeoh, but it could easily be Williams or Blanchett. As usual there are so many performances almost at the same level, it's a tough pick.
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I've been thinking about this for a couple of weeks now and I was wondering if anybody else thought that Michelle Williams would have had a better shot if she had gone supporting instead of lead?
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Originally Posted by Gideon58 (Post 2375739)
I've been thinking about this for a couple of weeks now and I was wondering if anybody else thought that Michelle Williams would have had a better shot if she had gone supporting instead of lead?
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I agree...if she had been in supporting, the award would have been no contest.
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I am in the camp that say good on her for going for Lead Actress.
Bravo to Michelle Williams for Resisting Category Fraud for The Fabelmans
She might have hurt her own awards chances, but Williams deserves credit for acknowledging that her role in Steven Spielberg’s movie is a lead Joe McGovern | January 16, 2023 Michelle Williams must have laughed, at least a little bit, that this was even a news story. Back in September, two weeks after Steven Spielberg’s The Fabelmans premiered at the Toronto Film Festival, it was revealed in big headlines that the film’s studio intended to push Williams in the Best Leading Actress category for awards consideration. Awards pundits were shocked. Because at that point, even though the film wouldn’t open for two months, it seemed a safe bet that Williams’s acclaimed performance as Mitzi Fabelman, the protagonist’s kooky, withdrawn mother, was a lock to be nominated for and even win the Best Supporting Actress Oscar. But what was that assumption based on? It wasn’t the performance itself, but instead an expectation that the studio, Universal, would take advantage of the ever-common practice of category fraud, where a lead or co-lead role is pushed in the supporting category for a better shot at a nomination. Whether her role and performance qualified as a lead – it is and she does – was irrelevant to pundits. "Why isn’t she gaming the system,” they were saying, “since everybody else does?” Williams later revealed that she personally asked Universal to campaign her in the lead category, which of course is where she belongs. Her roles in Brokeback Mountain and Manchester by the Sea were genuine supporting performances and were nominated for Oscars accordingly. The scope of her role in The Fabelmans is simply too important to the plot, both in terms of screen time and story arc, to be marked down to the lower category. It is a lead role. And so bravo to Williams for insisting on a Best Actress push, even if her chances at the gold hardware might have been better in the other category. As of now, about a week away from the Oscar nominations announcement, she is not considered a lock to be nominated. She missed out on a Screen Actors Guild Award nomination, a key precursor. But her decision marks a refreshing, wonderful resurrection of common sense in Oscar campaigning. If Williams is not nominated next week, she deserves even more credit. To be clear, it is up to the 1,302 members of the Academy’s acting branch to decide in which category to place an actor or actress (the rules specifically tell them to make up their own minds). And for sure, Williams could be nominated in the supporting category after all. But the studios spend a lot of time and money to set the compass for everybody else. And in the face of basic logic, one of the biggest propaganda tricks in recent decades has been the studios’ weird, cynical redefinition of what a leading role is. For example, a few years ago, when Once Upon a Time in Hollywood opened, any sentient moviegoer understood that it was a movie with two male leads: Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio. Like Midnight Cowboy or Amadeus or Giant or Network or Sleuth or The Dresser. All of which, rightfully, scored two nominations in the Best Actor category at the Oscars. But even before Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was released, in the summer of 2019, this narrative had gotten into the water supply: That Pitt was a supporting actor and DiCaprio was a lead. Who knows what that was based on? The two are equally important as protagonists in the story and have almost exactly the same amount of screen time. Perhaps it was propelled by the fact that Pitt had not won an Oscar for acting at that point, and stood a better chance of winning a supporting prize? Which he ultimately did. Well, there is a very long-standing tradition of that gamesmanship. Timothy Hutton won a supporting Oscar for a huge role in Ordinary People. Ditto Benicio del Toro for Traffic. And Haley Joel Osment was nominated in the supporting category for a film, The Sixth Sense, in which he appeared in practically every scene. Each case, even those three, can be taken on its merits: Hutton was a co-lead, del Toro was part of an ensemble, Osment was a child actor. But how in the world can they explain what happened with Best Supporting Actor in 2021? In one of the oddest things ever to occur in the Oscar universe, the two leading actors from Judas and the Black Messiah, Daniel Kaluuya and LaKeith Stanfield, were both nominated in the supporting category. That indicated a level of mass befuddlement at the very notion that a movie can have two leading actors. What were they thinking...or drinking? This sounds crazy at first, but after the Kaluuya and Stanfield situation, I believe that if Thelma & Louise was made today, the Academy’s acting branch would nominate Susan Sarandon and Geena Davis both for Best Supporting Actress instead of, as they did in 1992, for Best Actress. Or maybe, like the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood example, they would put the two actresses in different categories – probably Sarandon for supporting because, like Pitt, she might stand a better chance of winning there. Thelma & Louise is an instructive film in this history because it marked the last time, 31 years ago, that*two performers were nominated in the same lead category for the same film (the last time it occurred in Best Actor was for Amadeus in 1985). Slick studio campaigns and Academy acquiescence have essentially made it impossible for such a thing to ever happen again. Because now, even pundits and critics just believe whatever the studio tells them: Sure, Rooney Mara is a supporting actress in Carol (ridiculous, she is obviously the co-lead); and oh yeah, why not, Emma Stone and Rachel Weisz are supporting actresses in The Favourite (they are absolutely co-leads). Of course, there is not one person to blame for this situation where the Academy – and Oscar pundits – have brainwashed themselves into believing that leading roles are supporting roles. As in the case of Michelle Williams, pundits just sometimes get too caught up in a performer’s perceived chances of winning the award. That horse race odds-making isn’t really at the root of the problem. But, actually, if we are searching to find someone to pin this problem on, there is perhaps one individual who is most culpable for the lead-versus-supporting landscape as it currently looks. He’s rotting away in a Los Angeles jail cell nowadays, but Harvey Weinstein was once the most cunning and ruthless of Oscar campaigners. The classic Pulp Fiction, distributed by Weinstein’s Miramax Films in 1994, was a film, unambiguously, with two leading performances by Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta. That simply would not do for an Oscar race. Travolta was promoted as the film’s lead actor and Jackson as a supporting actor. And the Academy’s acting branch went along and nominated the two in those categories. Neither man won, but each got nominated, which was the fundamental strategy. However, it should be remembered that Jackson was a finalist for Best Actor prizes among*that year’s critics awards and ultimately won the Best Male Lead statuette at the 1995 Film Independent Spirit Awards. And irony of all terrible ironies, there was a film from 2022 with two leading roles where one has been campaigned as lead and the other as supporting. That would be She Said, starring Carey Mulligan and Zoe Kazan as the New York Times journalists who investigated the truth of Harvey Weinstein’s monstrous crimes against women (the film’s cast structure is, in the best way, reminiscent of All the President’s Men, with its co-lead characters at the top). Who could possibly watch She Said and think that co-lead Mulligan was a supporting actress and Kazan was the film’s sole lead? Inconceivable. But according to Universal Pictures, the movie’s distributor, which also released The Fabelmans, that decision does not rest with the studio. Instead, it is always the actors themselves who decide which category they are to be campaigned in. And in the case of She Said, Mulligan’s choice to go supporting has sort of worked, with the actress netting a Golden Globe nomination in the lower category. And surely it is possible that both Mulligan and Michelle Williams could be Oscar nominated this year for Best Supporting Actress. That would be a recognition of their rich, complex performances. Even if, as we’ve so often seen, in the incorrect category. https://www.thewrap.com/michelle-wil...elmans-oscars/ |
Originally Posted by Gideon58 (Post 2375739)
I've been thinking about this for a couple of weeks now and I was wondering if anybody else thought that Michelle Williams would have had a better shot if she had gone supporting instead of lead?
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Yeah I remember when poor Kate Winslet could have won two Oscars for Revolutionary Road and The Reader but the voters put her in lead for The Reader and thus Revolutionary Road got screwed over. The article also clearly omits the biggest fraud for the category...black women. 4 of the black females who have won Oscars in the last 20 years were either clearly leads (Lupita Nyongo, Viola Davis, or co-leads Jennifer Hudson and Monique) and yet controversy because it's been 20 years since a black woman has won an Oscar in this category.
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I guess Michelle Williams
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Michelle Yeoh did win the Oscar for Best Actress, the first performer of Asian descent to win in the category. |
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Where's her Oscar for The Heroic Trio?!
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im happy that michelle yeoh won an oscar i loved some of her martial art movies
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I had Blanchett here, but was glad to see Yeoh win it.
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I really thought Blanchett was going to win, but I have no problem with Yeoh's win...the woman's been in the business for a long time, it was her first nomination as opposed to Blanchett who already has two Oscars, and the performance was strong.
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