The Bat Movies
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The Bat Movies Went and read over a lot of threads here on this series of movies, and there are plenty including such topics as "favorite film." After contemplating these stories recently, which have a take hold of our movie human psyche- I want to start a new one to approach the question I arrived at - How would you like to see a Bat movie look? Feel free to discuss the existing films, as well as exercising your own imagination as well (include visuals too if you want, you know I love good visuals mixed with cool ideas). I'll get further into the one thing we all have in common- each other, in my next post, and inviting everyone who wants to join in the fun. |
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Nostromo's Bat Movie (2018) After watching some of the material from Arkham Asylum on youtube earlier, a visual story began to form in my imagination. In some ways it is a mix of elements from previous films, with fresh ideas peppered in. Before going any further, I want to approach what in some ways may actually be the biggest problem with these movies- Batman. Yea we get it. There's a guy who dresses up as a bat and goes around the city saving citizens of Gotham by fighting wretched slum criminals. In some movies he's meant to be taken seriously doing that, in others the silliness of the whole thing comes shining through. I've dealt with that dilemma, which I'll get into again shortly, but first I'll set the tone. It's a melodramatic horror story, and we're all there- trapped in the Arkham Carnival. I'm not going to name which MoFos are there, because I'd leave someone out, so I'll just say we're ALL there. There's some clowns, scarecrows, ventriloquists, tough brawler thugs, and harlequins there too, who haunt the place with sadistic games to enhance their grip over the carnival. Their power over us. To condense this opening paragraph- we're all inside the Arkham carnival horror story. Next step- I want to get rolling on some of the existing Batman films, with the aside that I've never read a Batman comic so I don't know how any of it fits into "lore" or whatever. Which Batman movies do I like and why? Let's see. Batman (1989) has pull, a terrific soundtrack by Danny Elfman, the Jack Nicholson factor, and the plus that it doesn't take itself too seriously. The 1989 installment's honestly a mix of scenes I enjoy quite a lot along with ones I'd rather fast-forward through. A mixed bag. I'd scrap that scene where Bruce Wayne and Joker show up at Kim Basinger's apartment during the day- the one where Bruce breaks a vase with a firepoker, saying "Let's get nuts!" I don't know maybe it's kind of funny, since I remembered it. Regardless, moving on- the first Batman is good but flawed to me. Batman Forever- another I enjoy. Val Kilmer as azzhole Batman works really well for me, Nicole Kidman was pretty great- and they both nail the whole melodramatic Bat-guy thing. It's a funny movie, but obviously goes straight over the top bc mid-90s Jim Carrey is in it with Tommy Lee Jones basically doing the exact same thing. Robin's in it too as a cheesy motorhead runaway teenager, which is fun. Also, there's a carnival in it. So it touches on my idea from above. It's a fun movie that just goes too far. I'm not gonna review all these movies right here, maybe I'll elaborate more on them if this goes anywhere. But I want to move along. Nolan's Bat films. I like Batman Begins best of the three, it's a strong origin story, and also kind of feels like a horror movie at times with Scarecrow and the toxin drug that brings out everyone's worst fear. I don't feel much like engaging The Dark Knight right here, and The Dark Knight Rises has a quite touching closing few minutes. After throwing some of those existing flick thoughts down, remember, all the MoFos are trapped at the Arkham Carnival with clowns, thugs, and sideshow attractions. Also, I mentioned that whole dilemma of Batman. Is he here with us to fight the carnival slums? Is he to be taken seriously, or is he running around with bat nipples poking out? .... Actually no. Batman is not alive in this story. All the sadistic clowns are running around the carnival playing games, letting loose horrific toxins, torturing the guests, and running the carnival. Batman's just a statue. He can't run around and fight the clowns. Rather, he represents an ideal of true justice. That the clowns LOVE to mock and throw rotten junk at. Laugh, spit at, and ridicule. Harley Quinn, Scarecrow, and Bane are there, laughing at the big idiot rock dressed like a bat. Setting loose the fear gas. That's all for the first part of my Bat vision tonight. To the Batmobile, Let's Go! Atomic Batteries to Power Turbine to Speed Roger, Ready to Move Out |
Originally Posted by nostromo87 (Post 1932516)
I like Batman Begins best of the three, it's a strong origin story, and also kind of feels like a horror movie at times with Scarecrow and the toxin drug that brings out everyone's worst fear.
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Batman gassing Crane, when he turns into a monster before Crane's eyes.
I like Batman when it's dark. I like the gritty realism of The Dark Knight but I also like what they did in Batman and Batman Returns. It was interesting especially to see how they mixed time periods up, with police and reporters evoking the Thirties even though it was supposedly modern day. I think Seven (1995) did the same. It's also good when they can bring in colourful villains like the Joker and the Riddler but maintain that scariness. A friend of mine used to say of Frank Gorshin in the TV series that even with all the crazy humour he was believable as a dangerous criminal. Gorshin did of course base his version on Richard Widmark's Tommy Udo in Kiss of Death (1947) – and he even looks like Widmark. |
Originally Posted by SeeingisBelieving (Post 1932517)
I absolutely loved that part of it, because in a way they were able to bring fantasy into the mix just because of the hallucinations. My favourite one is
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Batman gassing Crane, when he turns into a monster before Crane's eyes.
I like Batman when it's dark. I like the gritty realism of The Dark Knight but I also like what they did in Batman and Batman Returns. It was interesting especially to see how they mixed time periods up, with police and reporters evoking the Thirties even though it was supposedly modern day. I think Seven (1995) did the same.
It's also good when they can bring in colourful villains like the Joker and the Riddler but maintain that scariness. A friend of mine used to say of Frank Gorshin in the TV series that even with all the crazy humour he was believable as a dangerous criminal. Gorshin did of course base his version on Richard Widmark's Tommy Udo in Kiss of Death (1947) – and he even looks like Widmark.
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I really only like the Burtons. None of the others have ever worked for me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0osGZGwFNkkBatman The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 Official Trailer (2012) Just make this. No hyper-stylized version like Snyder. No cartoon like Burton. No grounded in reality like Nolan. They copied the comic nearly panel-by-panel and it is arguably the best DC animated out of a strong stable, better than Flashpoint Paradox :eek: . Just make a movie copying the animated with a no ego director that realizes he is nowhere near as important as the material or lore. |
Originally Posted by nostromo87 (Post 1932793)
Cool tie-in about the 40's film noir, I didn't know that. :up: @SeeingisBelieving
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Originally Posted by doubledenim (Post 1932930)
Just make this. No hyper-stylized version like Snyder. No cartoon like Burton. No grounded in reality like Nolan. They copied the comic nearly panel-by-panel and it is arguably the best DC animated out of a strong stable, better than Flashpoint Paradox :eek: . Just make a movie copying the animated with a no ego director that realizes he is nowhere near as important as the material or lore. Jason Statham http://image.ibb.co/jktX6U/Jason_Statham.jpg Chris Pratt http://image.ibb.co/eWxQRU/Chris_Pratt.jpg And of course, the "King of the B-Movie" and "The Chin" himself, Bruce Campbell http://image.ibb.co/fmrwY9/Bruce1.jpg |
Originally Posted by nostromo87 (Post 1933304)
Some bros I just thought of to fill out that distinguished chin from your video
Jason Statham http://image.ibb.co/jktX6U/Jason_Statham.jpg Chris Pratt http://image.ibb.co/eWxQRU/Chris_Pratt.jpg And of course, the "King of the B-Movie" and "The Chin" himself, Bruce Campbell http://image.ibb.co/fmrwY9/Bruce1.jpg Campbell could so do it. Lose the weight, complete deadpan, close to age of the comic. You're on to something. :highfive: |
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One Publicity Still from each live Bat world film
Justice League Original Release Date: November 17, 2017 http://image.ibb.co/e0Sqd9/Justice_League_2017.jpg Suicide Squad Original Release Date: August 5, 2016 http://image.ibb.co/ezXj5p/Suicide_Squad_2016.jpg Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Original Release Date: March 25, 2016 http://image.ibb.co/mWbYy9/Batman_v_Superman_2016.jpg The Dark Knight Rises Original Release Date: July 20, 2012 http://image.ibb.co/gpG0d9/The_Dark_...Rises_2012.jpg The Dark Knight (2008) Original Release Date: July 18, 2008 http://image.ibb.co/ggPHrU/The_Dark_Knight_2008.jpg Batman Begins Original Release Date: June 25, 2005 http://image.ibb.co/kiXWJ9/Batman_Begins_2005_img.jpg Batman & Robin Original Release Date: June 20, 1997 http://image.ibb.co/hbRfBU/Batman_Robin_1997.jpg Batman Forever Original Release Date: June 16, 1995 http://image.ibb.co/dR9Ty9/Batman_Forever_1995_img.jpg Oh look, @honeykid 's girl Batman Returns Original Release Date: June 19, 1992 http://image.ibb.co/bVCbkp/Batman_Returns_1992.jpg Batman Original Release Date: June 23, 1989 http://image.ibb.co/gGPp5p/Batman_1989_img.jpg Batman: The Movie Original Release Date: July 30, 1966 http://image.ibb.co/fDNsQp/Batman_The_Movie_1966.jpg Batman and Robin Original Release Date: June 26, 1949 http://image.ibb.co/b8qOWU/Batman_and_Robin_1949.jpg Batman Original Release Date: July 16, 1943 http://image.ibb.co/igfJy9/Batman_1943.jpg CAROL OF THE BELLS: BATMAN RETURNS |
Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1933616)
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
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LOVE the idea that Batman isn't real ...or isn't alive ....or just isn't there for whatever reason. The history and legend exist but surely people in that situation would have doubt if he was ever there. If so, why not help them (us)?
That could breed divide in the different personalities of the group. Some might keep the faith, so to speak, and try to emulate what they believe is the good of Batman. Other more angry types would resent batman for not being there. For being a fraud, then resenting those of the group That do still believe. That could create interesting conflicts within the group as few, more extreme, personalities rise to leadership roles. Think Lord of the Flies. Maybe throughout the trials and survival of the outside carnival evils, a new hero could be born. Mad Max style and exaggerating holding onto a broken memory of what batman was (if he was ever anything). Highlight the horrific reluctance in knowing that if he or she doesn't stand up, then others will die. Too, a new villain would come from the same group because the more focused this hero's character becomes, the more the villain must compete. If nothing else then from mockery, spite, and jealousy because he, in his way, only wanted to protect the group while this other Kat gets all the praise. That would be fun to explore and totally parallels current politics and religious divides. |
Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1933998)
LOVE the idea that Batman isn't real ...or isn't alive ....or just isn't there for whatever reason.
WHERE IS THAT GLOVE? https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/M_HY8c.gif |
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1934002)
Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1933998)
LOVE the idea that Batman isn't real ...or isn't alive ....or just isn't there for whatever reason.
WHERE IS THAT GLOVE? https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/M_HY8c.gif |
Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1934007)
Hey hey HEY now! I'm just pinging off Nostromo's original idea! Go slap him with that glove!
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Found the glove.
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You've really thrown down the gauntlet, @ynwtf! ;)
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Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 1934011)
You've really thrown down the gauntlet, @ynwtf! ;)
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Originally Posted by doubledenim (Post 1933307)
Campbell could so do it. Lose the weight, complete deadpan, close to age of the comic. You're on to something. https://image.ibb.co/kOGHAp/EE8_CFA6...40353102_E.jpg https://image.ibb.co/ho0cAp/E69_CC66..._F769_D1_B.jpg I’m dead serious too. It could be done. Set it in the same universe as B&R, years after the neon light of Schumacher has faded and Gotham has circled back to the monolithic aesthetic of Burton. I’m sure some of you are looking at me weird right now, but Clooney reciting this is the correct way of doing what Batman v Superman tried and failed at -
This should be agony. I should be a mass of aching muscle - broken, spent, unable to move. And, were I an older man, I surely would ... ... but I'm a man of thirty - of twenty again. The rain on my chest is a baptism - I'm born again ...
Edit: and you can call this me backing out of an odd suggestion if you like but if it were up to me I'd drop the Frank Miller angle that Warner Bros. just loves all together and have Clooney back as Batman Beyond Bruce Wayne. Stern father Bruce Wayne, not aging psychopath looking for a "warrior's end" Bruce Wayne. |
Originally Posted by Saunch (Post 1934017)
Perfect DKR Bruce Wayne? ...
https://image.ibb.co/kOGHAp/EE8_CFA6...40353102_E.jpg https://image.ibb.co/ho0cAp/E69_CC66..._F769_D1_B.jpg I'm with you on the first part, but I need the TDKR treatment. Batman has always been a psycho, but they always skirt it in the films. I would like to see the character done justice, but with a mass appeal marketing film, it will never happen. |
Originally Posted by Saunch (Post 1934017)
And the chin? No problem.
Edit: and you can call this me backing out of an odd suggestion if you like but if it were up to me I'd drop the Frank Miller angle that Warner Bros. just loves all together and have Clooney back as Batman Beyond Bruce Wayne. Stern father Bruce Wayne, not aging psychopath looking for a "warrior's end" Bruce Wayne. I'm sorry, but it's Ben Affleck for older Batman or GTFO. I pull rank b ecause I'm a girl and i've loved Batman SINCE I WAS 12. SO! I'm sorry but Ben Affleck has SUPERIOR CHIN to Goeorge Clooney. I like Clooney in general but compared to Batfleck? Girl, bye. Batfleck is perfect. It's the material that sucks. An that's FRUSTRATING. I'll be SO pissed if Affleck leaves the role before they manage to match PERFECT BATMAN and decent script. |
I guess I’m alone on this but “digging deep” into the psychology of Batman is boring and counter intuitive. I mean, it’s kind of fun to hint at the inherent silliness of it all, sure, point out how he needs The Joker to function narratively but at some point the whole thing starts to fall apart. That’s one of the things that does not work in Batman vs Superman and, well, at some point Batman becomes gross, unlikeable caricature.
https://image.ibb.co/dRqNvp/9027_FC4...B655313_DE.jpg > https://image.ibb.co/nuLcT9/120_B3_D...CDAAFD1072.jpg
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1934050)
I'm sorry, but it's Ben Affleck for older Batman or GTFO.
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I think the best actor to potentially play Batman would be Bruce Wayne. Great actor.
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Oh, and my ideal casting for the Joker would be Jared Leto. He would be so good, and wouldn't overact at all.
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Originally Posted by Saunch (Post 1934060)
I guess I’m alone on this but “digging deep” into the psychology of Batman is boring and counter intuitive. I mean, it’s kind of fun to hint at the inherent silliness of it all, sure, point out how he needs The Joker to function narratively but at some point the whole thing starts to fall apart. That’s one of the things that does not work in Batman vs Superman and, well, at some point Batman becomes gross, unlikeable caricature.
https://image.ibb.co/dRqNvp/9027_FC4...B655313_DE.jpg > https://image.ibb.co/nuLcT9/120_B3_D...CDAAFD1072.jpg Affleck’s not on your side. I say this as someone who really did like him in BvS, it’s super weird that they decided to have Affleck as DKR Batman in his early 40’s. But. Perfect. Batman. I couldn't get past that. It was almost painful to see how perfect her is as Batman. I'm also not sure why they aged him up for this, unless they're gong for older Batman to tie in with a certain line of graphic novel storyline, ' BUT THEN I HEARD THAT THEY'RE THINKING OF CASTING JAKE GYLLENHAAL AS NEW BATMAN AFTER AFFLECK AND I AM LIKE WAT...that means either reboot or going back in time for another Batman adventure set in the past. IF THIS HAPPENS AND JOAQUIN PHOENIX IS STILL THE JOKER then...THEN... **** gets interesting again. BUT. DCEU has to commit to dark and adult. None of this trying to play both sides or not being able to decide. |
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@Saunch - Forgot to say...I read The g*ddamn Batman, as it's somtimes referred to. I recognised a slight element of that in Batman v Superman in how certain things were handled.
Oh my god that graphic novel. I was SO mad reading it and half way I just started laughing. It was psychotic. By the end I was so glad I read it but still wanted to punch Frank Miller. |
I was pretty cool with a needless Joker movie as long as Phoenix was in it but from the sound of it... either Joaquin’s decided that, after a decade of great performances, he’s earned a paycheck gig or it’ll be a good turn buried under Scorsese wannabe, dude-bro nonsense.
(Also, ‘cause its me and I gotta be the worst: the perfect Batman was Tyrone Power.) |
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Yeah, you are the worst. The world knows Conroy is the one true Batman.
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Fool.
Batman is Zorro. :D |
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Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1933998)
LOVE the idea that Batman isn't real ...or isn't alive ....or just isn't there for whatever reason. The history and legend exist but surely people in that situation would have doubt if he was ever there. If so, why not help them (us)?
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1934002)
Pretty much had an instant fannywobble at this comment and couldn't read further.
Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1934007)
Hey hey HEY now! I'm just pinging off Nostromo's original idea! Go slap him with that glove!
http://image.ibb.co/c6gnBU/gargoyle1.jpg http://image.ibb.co/icYpQp/crnvl1.jpg http://image.ibb.co/igUPrU/crnvl2.jpg As the odd combination of visual imagination guy who is direct/brief in conversation, I need an interpreter. I'm customarily awful at explaining if I can't use visuals and music. @Saunch We're primarily having fun here, exercising imagination, and in zero place to actually make a film, I'm not troubled with whether any of this actually works as far as some kind of psychology study story. Thanks. Really dug what ynwtf said, so I'm leaving the rest here.
Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1933998)
That could breed divide in the different personalities of the group. Some might keep the faith, so to speak, and try to emulate what they believe is the good of Batman. Other more angry types would resent batman for not being there. For being a fraud, then resenting those of the group That do still believe.
That could create interesting conflicts within the group as few, more extreme, personalities rise to leadership roles. Think Lord of the Flies. Maybe throughout the trials and survival of the outside carnival evils, a new hero could be born. Mad Max style and exaggerating holding onto a broken memory of what batman was (if he was ever anything). Highlight the horrific reluctance in knowing that if he or she doesn't stand up, then others will die. Too, a new villain would come from the same group because the more focused this hero's character becomes, the more the villain must compete. If nothing else then from mockery, spite, and jealousy because he, in his way, only wanted to protect the group while this other Kat gets all the praise. That would be fun to explore and totally parallels current politics and religious divides. Haunted Carnival ♪♫♬♫♪♪♫♬♫♪ This thread could use the great MoFo clown @Captain Spaulding |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sHbKlYFcw0Carnival of Carnage |
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"The music in his films come across as a bit playful and fantasy. Strike that part of it. More atmospheric, ambient sound, and feeling more like a pure horror show. I mentioned that the Bat exists only as a statue, you could bring the gothic-style physical representation of that and make him like a gargoyle, only more "batty.""
Quoting @Nostromo87 Interesting timing, eh @cat_sidhe? |
Originally Posted by Saunch (Post 1934017)
Perfect DKR Bruce Wayne? ...
https://image.ibb.co/kOGHAp/EE8_CFA6...40353102_E.jpg https://image.ibb.co/ho0cAp/E69_CC66..._F769_D1_B.jpg I’m dead serious too. It could be done. Set it in the same universe as B&R, years after the neon light of Schumacher has faded and Gotham has circled back to the monolithic aesthetic of Burton. I’m sure some of you are looking at me weird right now, but Clooney reciting this is the correct way of doing what Batman v Superman tried and failed at - And the chin? No problem. Edit: and you can call this me backing out of an odd suggestion if you like but if it were up to me I'd drop the Frank Miller angle that Warner Bros. just loves all together and have Clooney back as Batman Beyond Bruce Wayne. Stern father Bruce Wayne, not aging psychopath looking for a "warrior's end" Bruce Wayne. He was a good Bruce Wayne - he captured the aloofness & arrogance of Wayne's faux ego. But the compliments end once he took on his true persona of the Batman. Given a better bat-suit (sans nipples of course) he could have easily pulled off the look as well. But, it seems the actor had little interest in the character (I heard him on a talk show say he knew little about Batman beyond the 60's TV show and had never read a Batman comic book - he seemed disinterested in what made the character tick) and, like everyone else in the film, was a victim of the movie's writing. |
Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1934160)
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Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1934170)
"The music in his films come across as a bit playful and fantasy. Strike that part of it. More atmospheric, ambient sound, and feeling more like a pure horror show. I mentioned that the Bat exists only as a statue, you could bring the gothic-style physical representation of that and make him like a gargoyle, only more "batty.""
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Vincent Price was in the 1960s TV show??? GTFO, Must investigate
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Originally Posted by TheUsualSuspect (Post 1935661)
@Nostromo87 ballpark when do you want to start watching the movies? :) I'm always excited to watch Batman. :D |
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Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1935643)
Vincent Price was in the 1960s TV show??? GTFO, Must investigate
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Originally Posted by Saunch (Post 1935687)
Egghead should make a cinematic come back.
(Since both Marvel and DC had a character named Egghead - in Marvel he was the enemy of the original Ant Man: Hank Pym.) ;) |
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Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1935666)
@Nostromo87 ballpark when do you want to start watching the movies? :) I'm always excited to watch Batman. :D
http://image.ibb.co/jwwT6U/Batman_v_Superman.jpg Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Anyone else who wants to join is welcome too. More of an independent casual viewing than full commentary, with casual and relaxed exchange in Cat_sidhe's Cat's Flap thread, and arrive back here with brief or extended write-ups as wanted. I'm excited, I haven't seen this and really know pretty much nothing about it. Training / Research |
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I want to make a thread that consists of extensive research into the history and making of a movie, then I watch the movie, and then talk about it some more. Then move on to another movie. Inspired by Nostromo: A Thread on Movies.
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http://image.ibb.co/ebE42e/b_v_s.jpg Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Ultimate Edition) Ya in for a relaxed view and chat today? Anyone else who's interested, give it a go too! |
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Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1936656)
@cat_sidhe
http://image.ibb.co/ebE42e/b_v_s.jpg Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Ultimate Edition) Ya in for a relaxed view and chat today? Anyone else who's interested, give it a go too! |
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Define Ultimate Edition from theatrical release? What can I expect?
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Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1936666)
Define Ultimate Edition from theatrical release? What can I expect?
As an aside, it's a casual viewing bash. Be spontaneous, watch at your own convenience, preferably today, no requirements, and enjoy it! And post about it if you want! |
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Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1936666)
Define Ultimate Edition from theatrical release? What can I expect?
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@cat_sidhe and I are going to start watching here shortly, I'll start at 12:40 PM Eastern Time.
To clarify, this isn't a full-synced up commentary. Casual viewing, chime in with thoughts here and there if you want while you're watching in Cat's Flap thread. Then we'll head back here later for more finalized thoughts on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice! |
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Stuck in office. Wish I could make it! But looking forward to the comments.
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Right. And here we are to dissect Batman v Superman.
http://www.nerdandtie.com/wp-content...5442874475.jpg THE AUTOPSY How did everyone feel? It's about the 4th time I've watched it :blush: what can I say...Batffleck just does it for me. Some thing I think weren't necessary, like, for example, we didn't really need to be introduced to both Wonder Woman and Aquaman in the same film, the reference to Aquaman was so cursory, and it's already kind of hard to get excited about him. One, or the other, than Wonder Woman made more sense. Lex Luthor. Oh my god, a bit of an irritating Lex Luthor, and that's disappointing because Jesse Eisenberg is ok in my book. I can kiiiinda go with this Lex Luthor but I have trouble disconnecting from my idea of Lex Luthor, something Jared Leto's Joker suffers a bit from in Suicide Squad. I'm not anti that Joker, but it...kinda doesn't go there. I must say with multiple watched, Eisenberg's Lex Luthor becomes more tolerable. I wasn't as irritated this time around, but hey, it is the 4th time. :lol: It's a tad on the long side. As @Nostromo87 pointed out, (and I was about to post something similar), it's Batman v Superman V SuperViciousBloodButtDemon and kid of went on a little longer than necessary. I, of course, have NO PROBLEM with that as I could watch Batffleck all day. But I can see how some might go "oh hey now, this is a bit long toothed". Let's talk about the Martha moment. I actually get it. I'm not a naysayer there, the name snapped Batman out of kill mode (and that's another issue, Batman in killmode...) and broke through. A lot of scoffing over that, but I wonder if any of the scoffers put themselves in either Superman's or Batman's shoes there. It's actually not so far fetched that the mention of Batman's mother's name, which happens' to be Superman's earthly mother's name, breaks through to Batman in violent mode. If you've ever been in a violent mode, you'd know, sometimes a word does snap you out of it. For a moment Batman was confused, he thought it was a trap or something, hence the repetition of WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME? And in his repetition you can hear pain. Batman killing. Some scream it's against canon, but it's not really. Batman has killed in the comics, too. I'm not even going to discuss that, because Batman as a character is basically slave to whoever's writing him at the time, and Frank Miller showed a powerful, funny, RAGE INDUCING lesson in "don't worship your heroes too much". He have us both modern day Batman, and The ******* Batman. Let's see, what else? Apart from Ben Affleck knocking it out the part for me as Batman. Also, liked Jeremy Irons as Alfred although I did find myself missing Michael Caine in that role. Jeremy Irons is a good fit for Ben Affleck, though, and neither one of them is to blame for any of this film's shortcomings, if I'm to be asked. I'll see what the replies say before writing more. |
My main thought the whole time, I'd have very much enjoyed seeing how a pure Affleck Bat flick would've gone down. However, since they didn't give that here, maybe that shakes everything up, and one will come down the road.
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Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1936847)
Some thing I think weren't necessary, like, for example, we didn't really need to be introduced to both Wonder Woman and Aquaman in the same film, the reference to Aquaman was so cursory, and it's already kind of hard to get excited about him. One, or the other, than Wonder Woman made more sense.
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1936847)
Jeremy Irons is a good fit for Ben Affleck, though, and neither one of them is to blame for any of this film's shortcomings, if I'm to be asked.
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Originally Posted by Saunch (Post 1936856)
The whole set up for Justice League and the actual team coming together in the respective movie would make a lot more sense or, at least, would down more smoothly if it were Diana in charge. I mean, I get that everyone loves Batman and they want him to be center stage for all of this but why is he the one informing the decades old Amazonian, who’s faced down literal gods, that there are super powered beings out and about in the world?
:affleck: :lol:
I liked them both in BvS as well but I can’t help but notice that they most closely bonded over who gets to raid the Wayne family minibar first.
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Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1936855)
My main thought the whole time, I'd have very much enjoyed seeing how a pure Affleck Bat flick would've gone down. However, since they didn't give that here, maybe that shakes everything up, and one will come down the road.
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I wonder if anyone apart from me has read The ******* Batman All Star Batman & Robin, The Boy Wonder, but it's an abomination you'll be glad you read. If you're a Batman fan, you will be offended. But it's so psychotic it's awesome. It's also really terrible, don't read it.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....4,203,200_.jpg If my nonrecommendation confuses you, well...so does the comic. :lol: |
btw, heard buzz a while ago that if Ben Affleck hangs up the cowl, Jake Gyllenhaal will take over.
Like.. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...46/678/5cd.png I would **** myself, though. Like, if Ben is hanging it up, and yanno, Joaquin Phoenix is taking the Joker, it's like WHY THE **** NOT. Although...while he has enough chin for Batman, he's got a bit of a sensitive face for Bruce Wayne. |
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You heard it here first, folks. Cat will **** her pants if Jake Gyllenhaal picked up the cowl.
https://i2.wp.com/theopenman.com/wp-...17/09/bull.gif |
http://image.ibb.co/nviFQz/btmn_v_spmn.jpg Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Original Release Date: March 25, 2016 A crazed speech by Lex Luthor brings two contentious figures together, reporter Clark Kent from The Daily Planet and billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne from Gotham. Clark accuses Bruce's city of enabling a vigilante watchdog who tramples on civil liberties. Bruce fires back that every time Clark's city's hero saves a cat out of a tree, The Daily Planet writes a puff-piece editorial idolizing a destructive alien. Two cities, Metropolis and Gotham, BOYS BOYS. Who's gonna win? Openly, since they didn't do a total Bat film, I'd have liked to see that rivalry hammered out more- delving into the legend of the two cities. The way it went down, I saw much of the film as a total setup that Superman was gonna get got. That meant amplifying the Man of Steel's women, his girl Lois Lane and his Mom, Martha (Diane Lane, who was great btw). I'd say that's elevated to the heart of the film, it had to be, considering the ending chosen. Bruce's bat and Alfred (Jeremy Irons) are there, yet not really given their just central attention, unfortunately. Then the story's complicated further by the hassle of introducing Lex Luthor, as well as Gal Gadot as the hideously frightful Wonder Woman. *Gasp* oh gawd, FRIGHTENING! I'd like to say, going into a viewing where I actually know nothing about the movie, read nothing, watched no trailers, I love that. It was EXCITING to watch bc of that. Eisenberg's Luthor creating a savage monstrosity, not crazy about that. As established, with Superman and his girl and mother as the centerpiece of the movie... We don't get pure Bat, Alfred, and Gotham. The whole movie seemed to be set in Metropolis anyways. So even though Batman wins by LIVING ON, I'll go down as saying this is a Superman movie. He bagged the monstrosity, sacrificing himself, in his city, so who really wins this? Nostromo's decision, the film as made goes to Superman. Even though what I really want is Bat, Alfred, and some playboy billionaire machinery. Straight-forward, uncomplicated, simple. Okay fine, throw some Gal Gadot in too. http://image.ibb.co/ePoh5z/btmn16.jpg |
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Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1936869)
You heard it here first, folks. Cat will **** her pants if Jake Gyllenhaal picked up the cowl.
https://i2.wp.com/theopenman.com/wp-...17/09/bull.gif (hides from rage filled demon cat army) |
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The fact that you've not already jumped on this has me worried. Very worried.
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Off topic - but I really didn't like that heavy metal guitar riff (or whatever you call it) that was given as Wonder Woman's theme.
Nothing about it said "Wonder Woman" to me - it was just some grating-sounding techno grunge rock that felt as referential to Princess Diana as... oh, I don't know... maybe Prince music is to Batman! I know it's cheesy, but I would've preferred something instrumental (symphonic) based on the old WW TV show theme - it was always catchy! ;) |
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Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1936866)
I wonder if anyone apart from me has read The ******* Batman All Star Batman & Robin, The Boy Wonder, but it's an abomination you'll be glad you read. If you're a Batman fan, you will be offended. But it's so psychotic it's awesome. It's also really terrible, don't read it.
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Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1936914)
The fact that you've not already jumped on this has me worried. Very worried.
=/////// lol I gave Batman v Superman a fair shot. I like at least challenging myself with the fresh and the new, & I'll always be open-minded. Feel good about the write-up, 6.5 outta 10 isn't exactly earth-shattering either way, and I don't see why Affleck shouldn't get a shot at a pure Bat flick. I like the guy. Much Bat material at our disposal. Sure, I could have led off with an easier look like a Nolan or a Burton, but that could've been... expected Molossus - Stay Calm http://image.ibb.co/hUbV8K/153433761579446576bs.gif |
Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1936936)
Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1936914)
The fact that you've not already jumped on this has me worried. Very worried.
=/////// lol I gave Batman v Superman a fair shot. I like at least challenging myself with the fresh and the new, & I'll always be open-minded. Feel good about the write-up, 6.5 outta 10 isn't exactly earth-shattering either way, and I don't see why Affleck shouldn't get a shot at a pure Bat flick. I like the guy. Much Bat material at our disposal. Sure, I could have led off with an easier look like a Nolan or a Burton, but that could've been... expected Molossus - Stay Calm http://image.ibb.co/hUbV8K/153433761579446576bs.gif And I totally agree that he should have a dedicated Batman flick. Affleck that is!! |
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Um, OK. I just got back today planning on reviewing all 5he Burton/Schumacher movies, and I had no idea about this thread. Whoa.
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It was destined to be!
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@Nostromo87, have you seen either of these by any chance?
https://youtu.be/_v_XCMuufTQ https://youtu.be/6RppxhOdby4 I’m not insinuating anything negative, btw, I was just wondering, if this is indeed the first time you’ve seen these videos, if there’s anything in them that approximates your vision? I think, side-by-side, they illustrate what I think I interpreted correctly from your pitch in the first page. Not a literal translation but the gist of it - The Batman as a literal idea, a pure symbol, the world of Gotham reworked as a kind of fun/mad house and the use of the colorful rogues gallery as sensory attack on the audience/protagonist. I think you also mention the Danny Elfman score as your favorite and I do love how the Batman Returns track, with it’s sad and/or ominous notes preceding the heroic fanfare, match with the tone of the Arkham book. All of that and, of course, leaning much more heavily into the horror elemts of the character (btw, I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Inception started out as a horror movie. Hmm...) |
Originally Posted by Saunch (Post 1936948)
@Nostromo87, have you seen either of these by any chance?
I’m not insinuating anything negative, btw, I was just wondering, if this is indeed the first time you’ve seen these videos, if there’s anything in them that approximates your vision? I think, side-by-side, they illustrate what I think I interpreted correctly from your pitch in the first page. Not a literal translation but the gist of it - The Batman as a literal idea, a pure symbol, the world of Gotham reworked as a kind of fun/mad house and the use of the colorful rogues gallery as sensory attack on the audience/protagonist. I think you also mention the Danny Elfman score as your favorite and I do love how the Batman Returns track, with it’s sad and/or ominous notes preceding the heroic fanfare, match with the tone of the Arkham book. All of that and, of course, leaning much more heavily into the horror elemts of the character (btw, I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Inception started out as a horror movie. Hmm...) |
Originally Posted by ynwtf (Post 1936914)
The fact that you've not already jumped on this has me worried. Very worried.
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Originally Posted by Saunch (Post 1936926)
“I’m the ******* Batman and i can call my ******* car whatever the hell I want!”
- Batman’s pillow talk. |
I am dedicating this post to Gotham City, a place notorious for high crimes, corruption, and its unusual residents. Being really into vivid graphics, here's the ambiance and surroundings for the world of the thread, to be filled up with intriguing and fun personalities. Somedays I may post about some of the definitive star personalities of the Batworld. I know I want to do Harley Quinn, at some point. Below is the city's taxi service, the slums, and flashy lit skyline horizon. A practically boundless realm full of mist and haze to explore and enjoy through all variant styles of broadcast and home entertainment.
http://image.ibb.co/dYvbYK/gotham2.jpg http://image.ibb.co/bRHODK/gotham1.jpg http://image.ibb.co/mirN7e/gotham3.gif http://image.ibb.co/eVKW0z/gotham.jpg http://image.ibb.co/dsdDDK/gotham4.jpg Redecorating Ivy's Turkish Bath |
Whatever the next look of Gotham is, I just hope that there’s at least one police blimp.
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Bane, darling, what IS this floor?
http://image.ibb.co/i8Bsqz/Ivy1.gif It took God seven days to create paradise, let's see if I can do better http://image.ibb.co/cUzTVz/Ivy2.gif Good babies, grow for Mommy http://image.ibb.co/g7RxOK/Ivy3.gif |
Strangely I feel like watching Batman & Robin (1997) RIGHT NOW
http://image.ibb.co/cDTrYK/br1.gif http://image.ibb.co/bu4R0z/br2.gif So many people to kill, so little time http://image.ibb.co/hz3atK/br3.gif We're gonna need a bigger cave http://image.ibb.co/jPBvtK/br4.gif Just What I Had In Mind :randy: |
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I'll watch too, but I have to find it first. I have a mountain of DVDs and in a mad bid to make space for vinyls, I piled a lot in a corner, unsorted.
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I’d do a watch-along of Batman Returns but i don’t know where’d I’d get access to it in time. I do own the Nolan movies so there’s that (Begins would be fun, since it’s the most comic book-y of the 3.)
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Stream and cast? I'm going to try that because I don't appear to have that Batman...but I do have the time and want the distraction.
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Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1937463)
I'll watch too, but I have to find it first. I have a mountain of DVDs and in a mad bid to make space for vinyls, I piled a lot in a corner, unsorted.
(I've chosen to replace the word "work" with "win" recently) |
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Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1937478)
Wish I actually could, have to go do some winning here shortly (I've chosen to replace the word "work" with "win" recently) But it was a valiant thought. |
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I actually follow BatDad on FB
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Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1937480)
And I'm probably in no state to be able to deal with the Batnipples tonight anyway.
But it was a valiant thought. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr6gACml4h0 |
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This this thread is kind of dedicated to Batman.. I thought I would post my friend dressed as Batman
and if you are a true horror fan of cheesy horror.. you might know him http://i67.tinypic.com/wkfw40.jpg and here is a regular pic of him http://i67.tinypic.com/54ywat.jpg Nostro and Cat_Sidhe.. you better know who it is! |
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Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1937486)
It's a date. |
@MovieGal That guy does look familiar... I guess I'll have to kick my own ass when you reveal. :eek:
Edit: btw, awesome Batman cosplay by your friend. |
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1937491)
@MovieGal That guy does look familiar... I guess I'll have to kick my own ass when you reveal. :eek:
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Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 1937493)
I have known Todd Sheets for over 15 years...oit taste in horror is so different. He says I'm sick for being a fan of Salo. Salo? Awesome. It's not the movie I bust out at parties, though. :D |
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1937496)
That's pretty cool. You ever get to go on set? Big bro style teasing is always great.
Salo? Awesome. It's not the movie I bust out at parties, though. :D |
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Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 1937498)
I know Todd through a mutual friend. He lives in the same city I do. I see him at Comicon or at stores around. We talk but we are not buddy buddy. I wouldn't mind helping him write... I can be pretty wicked and gross.
Why not? :) |
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1937503)
Then DO IT. i know you have it on you, and he sounds like he would want to work with you.
Why not? :) |
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Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 1937504)
Todd is an arrogant a$$. |
Originally Posted by cat_sidhe (Post 1937512)
In a fun way or....you'd want to kill him?
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Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 1937489)
This this thread is kind of dedicated to Batman.. I thought I would post my friend dressed as Batman
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Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 1937489)
This this thread is kind of dedicated to Batman.. I thought I would post my friend dressed as Batman
and if you are a true horror fan of cheesy horror.. you might know him http://i67.tinypic.com/wkfw40.jpg and here is a regular pic of him http://i67.tinypic.com/54ywat.jpg Nostro and Cat_Sidhe.. you better know who it is! Question: how did he fit all that hair in there? |
Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 1937549)
That cowl is pretty excellent!
Question: how did he fit all that hair in there? |
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@cat_sidhe and @MovieGal you two don't look half bad getting along together 👍
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Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1937572)
@cat_sidhe and @MovieGal you two don't look half bad getting along together 👍
http://image.ibb.co/jWx5vz/c_mg.jpg |
Originally Posted by MovieGal (Post 1937575)
Ok I'm a blonde and she's a red head....and I'm into guys anyway.
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Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1937584)
Funnin with ya, brief break from the comic films
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Originally Posted by Nostromo87 (Post 1937584)
Funnin with ya, brief break from the comic films
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