The Buffy Thread
 

Too much miscellany in your Miscellaneous Chat? Can't say anything more about porn names and Viking names and the sexiness of Sades, which goes without question? :D Enjoy Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the celebrated television program?

Well, then, young man/lady, step right up and have a say in the brand-new, never-before-seen (until Holden tells me different :D) BtVS Thread, wherein you can talk your little head off about anything and everything related to the hit TV show! Wanna talk about Xander? Go ahead. Need to gush over Buffy's new hair-do? This is the place. Want to lament about Oz missage? I'm here to listen. Want to dish about Spike? Well, who doesn't?

Want to talk seriously about Buffy issues, like Joss Whedon and storylines and intellectual sorts of thingies? I say to you, "Come on it, fellers, the water is fine."

Don't like Buffy and wish to issue a complaint? Well... I guess you can... :laugh:

So, hurry, hurry, hurry! Don't all rush in and try to speak at once--there's plenty of room for everyone here at the BtVS Thread, one post at a time. I know you're out there, Buffy fans. It can't just be me and Monkeypunch... Can it? :D

Okay, you KNEW I had to get in on this. I can't wait until next season. I really want Spike to be the "big bad" of next year. I was watching the season 2 DVD set and I miss him being an evil sh*t. And they need to bring back Dru, and put out a "Once More, With Feeling" soundtrack CD. I loved Spike's song in that episode, and Amber Benson is a really talented singer. Who Knew?

That's interesting, especially considering



Every Buffy fan in my little coterie is itchin' for the CD of the Musical. Why in God's name are they keeping it from us? I finally just downloaded most of the songs from audiogalaxy, but I'll definitely buy the CD if they will put it out.

The Season 2 DVDs are really, really great. It's lovely to see the episodes again in their entirety, especially after all the cuts they made for FX. I'll steal Chris' term: bleh. :sick: Bastard editor people.

So what did you think of Season 6, Monkey Man? :D I thought it was very well-done, although with a distinct lack of Joss.

I liked season six a lot more than other people I've talked to. A few really great episodes came out of this season. Obviously the Musical, but I also liked the Double Meat Palace episode, and Xander and Anya's botched wedding was pretty brilliant. Maybe it's because I'm a guy, but I really sided with Xander on that one. He was afraid that he'd end up like his abusive father and didn't want to put Anya through that. I just wish he could have just told her as such, maybe she wouldn't have screwed Spike...but I digress. It was depressing and dark, and I wish they hadn't killed Tara, but I genunely liked season six.

We might have to be careful on giving stuff away... just in case people haven't seen the last few eps yet. Maybe use the Spoiler taggies, to be on the safe side. Me, I'm a spoiler fiend--I read everything I can find--but some people aren't. ;)



Xander and Anya... I dunno. I felt for both of them, but I have to fault Xander more than Anya. He got scared, and he couldn't handle it. And he was the one who proposed in the first place, and then he handles the aftermath badly, too... not that Anya was any too great with it, herself.

I've had my ups and downs with Xander as a character. He goes from being quirky funny geek to total a*shole and then grows up a bit and then reverts. These are season-type moves I'm talking about. :D But all in all, he is one of my favorites.

D'oh! I'll have to remember the spoiler thing next time.

I also fall into the liking Xander category, though I do know people who don't. I like how the writers aren't afraid to make him unlikeable and immature at times. It makes him a more realistic character. I hate shows where all the characters are just perfect and always do what's right or socially acceptable.

(They need to make a D'oh! smiley face! Who is in charge of making those things?)

Tell Chris. He's the Smilie Master. I think there's a thread on the Site Stuff forum. :)

Well, take Season Three, where he was the king of all a*sholes for a good long while. But after the Willow fling, he got it back together, which led the way to one of my all-time favorite episodes, The Zeppo.

The Buffy writers aren't afraid of anything, it seems. When they were finally able to actually do something with the Willow/Tara relationship, they did it in a big way, and it was handled very well, without a bunch of fuss. No Very Special Buffy where the characters all learn that It Is Okay To Be Gay And To Be Friends With Gay People. Willow and Tara just got together, and it was natural.

Okay--best villain. I say the Mayor, hands down.

If any person says, "Glory," I shall take it upon myself to slap that person. :laugh:

I thought the evil Angel was the best villain, myself. He just f*cked with everyone hardcore! It was such a shock!

Okay, here's a weird thing I noticed. Is it just me, or does Sarah Michelle Gellar seem kind of like she thinks she's too good for Buffy? I recently saw photos of the premiere of the musical episode, and everyone in the cast and crew was there...minus SMG. Same with a recent charity show they did with Joss Whedon, Alyson Hannigan, Nicholas Brendan, Michelle Trachtenberg, Amber Benson, the entire trio of nerds...and no Sarah Michelle Gellar. She didn't even do her own voice for the upcoming Buffy Xbox game, while everyone else did theirs, and won't be appearing in the Buffy Animated show when it comes out, even though they have the rest of the cast lined up. She didn't even talk about Buffy at all in recent interviews in Entertainment weekly or on Jay Leno. What is up with THAT?

Hmm... I've thought the same thing, although, in her defense, she has been pretty busy lately, while the other cast members probably have less demands on their time. But, still, Buffy was her springboard to real fame. She could be a little more invested in it.

I dunno. I'm not the biggest SMG fan, and, when it comes right down to it, Buffy herself is not my favorite character on the show. But there you go.

Evil Angel was a great villain, it's true. Although I would put him (and our girl from this season) in the "Temporary Insanity" Villain category. :D Better, perhaps, than the straight-up baddies... but the vamp triumvirate he had with Spike and the wonderfully crazy Dru was well-nigh perfect.

But the Mayor was just so great, so wholesome in his evilness. Some of my favorite one-liners are from him. And his father-daughter relationship with Faith... he was just a very well-written character. :yup:

The Mayor was a really great villain, I agree. Recently, Jane Espenson wrote a Buffy comic book that took place after the mayor was killed, but his soul could't die as long as Buffy was alive. He found he could possess dead things, and after being a bird and a vamp, He took over the body of a monster that was created by the.....What was the name of that group Riley belonged to in season 4? It's totally slipped my mind. Anyway, it was a really cool story and it featured Faith who was still in a coma at the time, but could talk to Buffy through her dreams. It was called Haunted, and It's well worth looking for if you like comics.

Riley was in the Initiative. :)

That sounds interesting. I've checked out some of the Buffy comics, and I liked what I read, but not enough to plunk down the cash. Mostly, I've just loitered in the bookstore and read them while I'm standing there. :D

Thanks. My brain was freezing up last night. The weird thing is, nobody really talks about season 4 all that much. I got into the show kinda late, and I haven't seen much of season 4 at all. I've seen the entire seasons 1, 2, most of 3, about two episodes of 4 (The ones where Spike got his chip put in), almost all of season 5, and the entire season 6. (I got hooked midway through season 5, and played catch up with the reruns on FX). I was just thinking about the episode where Cordelia wishes that Buffy never came to sunnydale, and the entire town was vamps, and Willow tortured Angel with a pair of scissors and a book of matches. This is one of my all time favorite episodes. Is that in season 3? I think it has to be, since it's not in the season 2 box set, but Faith isn't in it, so I'm confused.

Yup--that would be Season Three.

The episode is "The Wish," and it comes in directly after Lover's Walk (where Spike returns to Sunnydale, after Dru leaves him for a chaos demon, to get revenge on Angel). And it is a great, great episode. The absence of Faith was supposed to be partly because of what happened in "Revelations," with the evil Watcher lady and the bada*s glove--she got out of town for awhile, but came back in "Amends," the Christmas ep.

Thanx for clearing that up. You totally rock. Most people I know don't really like Buffy. This is my new favorite thread. Here's a question: I just started watching Angel, and I think it's pretty good so far, having seen only one episode, and reading two comix...What's your take on it?

I've been watching Angel since the beginning, and I like it a lot. It's gone through some so-so periods, but the first half of the first season was great, and most of the second season rocked. This last season was the best, though--it really found its feet as a stand-alone show. :yup: No longer is it Buffy's Bastard Stepchild. Well worth the watching, although I was supremely pissed off by the season finale. :furious:

Not disappointed, but pissed. It's hard to explain... but I'll attempt it by saying that I have no freakin' clue how the hell they're gonna start off next season. Too much of the cliffhanger, you know?

How are the comics?

I just saw this show for the first time ever. I don't watch TV, but I was / am housesitting and there's really nothing to do, and they have a nice entertainment system, so I was watching some TV and there was Buffy.

And I don't get it. By which I mean I don't get the appeal of the show.

I don't think I'm cut out for modern pop culture.

I only read 2 Angel comics, issues one and four, so I couldn't really follow the story too well, but since Joss whedon wrote them they seemed pretty consistant with the show, or what I've seen of it. My friend Jeremy was the one who told me to check the show out, and he knows more about it than I do. The episode I saw was good, and I liked the character Fred, she's just so hyperactive and cute. I guess I'll have to catch up with the reruns this summer.

You may have gotten ahold of a mediocre episode, Sully. Unbelievable as it seems, there are a few not-so-great ones. :D I curious to know which one you saw... Do you remember anything of the plot?

I, too, like Fred. :D She and Wesley are two of my favorite characters on the show. You should, definitely, catch the re-runs, and hopefully we'll see a DVD of Season One soon.

I wish this thread hadn't died. Let's get this thing up and running again, huh?

any favorite episodes, lines, characters, comix, etc?

Hmm... some favorite eps:

The Zeppo
The Wish & Doppelgangland
Becoming I & II
Once More With Feeling (the musical)
Prophecy Girl
Phases
The Prom
A New Man
Lover's Walk

Lines... cripes, there are so many good ones:

"I laugh at danger. And then I hide until it goes away."

"Good God, man, she's eighteen. You have the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone."

"Fire bad. Tree pretty."

"The Slayer. Look it up. Slayer comma The."

"That's me as a vampire? I'm so evil, and skanky, and I think I'm kinda gay."

"Ours is a forbidden love."

Spike: "Why don't you just rip her lungs out and get it over with?"
Angelus: "It lacks... poetry."
Spike: "Doesn't have to. What rhymes with 'lungs'?"

"No, this is a great place. All the big windows. They'll be great when we want the sunlight to kill us!"

Joyce: "Haven't we met before?"
Spike: "You hit me with a shovel. You know. 'Get the hell away from my daughter!' and all that."

"That's a big rock. I can't wait to tell all my friends. They don't have a rock this big."

Oh, there are so many more...

Tag! You're it! :D

Yes. Buffy was battling this other girl for the Homecoming Queen position, or some student body election. Then their mutual friends bought them a limousine, which turned out to be driven by some hell-spawned lackey who drove them into the woods and left them in an ambush zone. They holed up in a convenient cabin and talked about life while bad guys crawled around in the bushes outside. Eventually, the cabin blew up. That's as much as I saw.

Oh, and then I saw another episode where all the adults ate candy that made them immature. Novel idea ;) And then Buffy went into the sewers and lit a demon on fire before it could eat some babies.

Then, a few nights later, I caught an episode or two of Angel.....apparently Angel impregnated some vampire chick and there was some prophecy about her child and a collection of other events. They went to a hospital, got an ultrasound, beat up a vampire cult, and then went back to the hotel where Angel ran into what was apparently a bad guy with a sword and absolutely horrible facial hair. I thought it was mildly entertaining....moreso than either of the Buffy episodes I saw.

Ah. "Homecoming," with Slayer Fest '98, and "Band Candy." Yeah, those are pretty mediocre, as Buffy eps go, although "Band Candy" is damn funny if you know the show's history.

The Angel ep you saw was part of the big "Angel's child" story arc this past season. Good stuff. :yup:

Okay, Fave Lines:

"I don't like to brag, but....Who am I kidding, I LOVE to brag!"

"THAT'S what that song is about?"

"I think I actually heard Giles polish his glasses over the phone.."

"You play for Kittens?" "Yeah, they're delicious!"

"You're so amped about Hell...Then go there."

There are more, but I can't remember them at this exact moment....

Here's something I just found out. Amber Benson, despite Tara's death, will still be part of Buffy next year. She's writing a few episodes for the upcoming season. This is way cool, because she wrote 3 Buffy comics, "Willow and Tara," "Willow and Tara II," and "Tales of the Slayers #1" (all very good), and Joss Whedon gave her a job.

I'd heard that she was under contract for next season. I'm glad it's as a writer and not as Tara.



More good lines:

"All these people just walking around, like Happy Meals on legs."

"A werewolf. It's one of the classics. I'm sure my books and I are in for a fascinating evening."

"It seems that when Angel lost his soul, he regained his sense of whimsy."

"If the Apocalypse comes, beep me."

That ponce Riley practically ruined my Buffy lovefest from Season 4 on :furious: .
And I hate the fact that it took till midway season 5 for his ass to be shown the door!
I hated that guy soooooooo much!
I also don`t like the way Willow`s character has developed over the last few seasons either,(this is begining to sound like a rantathon...maybe I should head to the `Shout box` instead :scream: ).
I much prefer the Vulnerable,computer nerdy Willow of early seasons...She`s just ridiculous now.
I`m so happy I won`t get to see her and Tara fat arse tonsil-tickling again anytime soon too. :kiss: What a mess that was.
And what is happening to Xander? Did you see how Fat he looked in that wedding suit? :eek:I thought it was Pavarotti getting hitched!
Giles is missed big time for me.

On the plus side, I`m glad Spike will be back to evil form next season.

I do think Angelus was the best of the bad bunch to date.

Favourite characters: Anya & Spike

I can`t see this show going much longer though...It`s been on a downward spiral ever since season 4.

Ach. I liked Riley okay, but he definitely has to be one of the weakest main characters of the show. I wasn't heartbroken when he left--he got awful damn whiny in Season 5. "Oh, Buffy, you don't need me, blah ditty blah..." :rolleyes:

I have to disagree with you about Willow. I think she's one of the best characters on the show, especially in terms of development. We've seen her go from shy technophobe to (too) powerful witch, not to mention her interesting love life. And Season 6, I felt, was her best season yet. I'm very, very interested in how they're going to handle her next season--rumors are running rampant, as they say. Should be cool. :D

:laugh: Are you obsessed with weight issues or what? ;D With Xander, though, I have to say, it's a kind of Tommy Boy thing:

"Does this suit make me look fat?"
"No, your face does."

Ol' Boy has kind of a broad face. Although he's got nothin' on David Boreanaz. :D

I missed Giles, too--and f*cking loved him in the series finale. He kicks so much a*s. And he'll be getting his own series in the near future, although unless BBC America is kind to me, I won't be seeing it anytime soon. :(

I'm glad to see it's more than the Monkey and me who like Buffy. :) We need more Buffy fans to post on this here thread! :YUP:

:laugh: Sorry, but I can only put that down to the fact I`m a Personal Trainer...maybe I notice Flab more than most ;) .

Any clue when this all kicks off and what`s it gonna be called?

I am surprised more people haven`t kicked into this thread.
I`ll certainly chip in when the times right Mary.

P.S...Still prefer old Willow ;)

It'll be called either Ripper or The Watcher, and hopefully it'll be on the air as soon as early 2003. I've heard rumors about a late 2002 pilot, but that's doubtful, 'cause Tony Head's got a full plate right now with Manchild. Which I also will probably never get to see. :frustrated:

Well, you go right ahead and prefer her. We all know who's better--THE NEW AND IMPROVED WILLOW! :laugh:

Should be a blast whatever.
How much more do you about it Mary?
Is it a Joss Whedon vehicle...Any other characters stretching their wings over to this one...Is it set before the days of Buffy Sommers or present day...set in U.K.or U.S?

Like I said, should be a blast whatever. :)

I LOVE BUFFY!
 

I have watched every single episode of BUffy that has been on British TV. I love it. Funny, Good Storylines the characters everything.

Plus I happen to think Sarah Michelle Gellar is the best looking woman in the world ever. As my website shows.

Check it out if u wish.
http://lameroad.topcities.com

Lewis.

I JUST LOVE THE SHOW!

The Brits are so lucky to be able to buy the first 5 seasons of BtVS on DVD. They are also way lucky to get to see Tony Head in anything.

I loved the musical ep (even though some of them cans sing and some certainly can't dance). BTW, at a Trek convention I saw some Musical ep soundtrack CDs for sale that had been given away at the premiere, I think. And later I saw one for sale on eBay. These discs looked like a promo item, not a bootleg CD.

Season 3 Angel was really good, and finally Fred is growing on me. Captain Cardboard never did. (Riley was a cute hunk o' beef, but so boring, IMO.)

Cannot wait for season 7 and more of Spike. :love:

Here's what I know:

Joss Whedon will be in the pilot's seat in terms of producing and whatnot, although I'm not sure how much of it he'll actually be doing writing- and directing-wise. There's a possibility of cross-overs with Buffy, but I'm not holding my breath (although I would love to see such a thing). And it will be set pretty much in the current continuity--Giles living in England after he leaves Sunnydale, trying to get his own life back on track, that sort o' thing. It looks to be pretty dark, and I'm certain we'll be seeing more of Ethan Rayne, a minor character that I love who is part of Giles's "dark past."

And I agree--it should kick a*s. :D

I want it, I want it, I want it! :D I've got almost all the songs downloaded off the 'Net, but as soon as they put a CD out, I'm buying it.

And BTW, for those who loved the Musical (otherwise known as "Once More... With Feeling"), there's a great little mini-doc of it up somewhere on the UPN site that has behind-the-scenes moments and some talk with the stars and with Joss himself. Pretty cool stuff. :yup:

You said it, my friend. There's gonna be some interesting stuff happening in Sunnyhell for William the Bloody Awful Poet. :D

I had read somewhere that the mini series Ripper was only going to be on the BBC, which I hope is NOT true, because us poor people here in the states would have to wait for the DVD. I can't afford to move to the U.K.! Also, anyone know when the Buffy Xbox game is out? I'm dying to play it...

The X-box game should be out later this month. :)

Unfortunately for us, it will be a BBC production. And since BBC America seems to be allergic to airing newer British shows (although I'm not knocking my Brilliant! and Father Ted re-runs, no sir), we will most likely have to wait for VHS or DVD.

And, yep, that sucks big hairy balls. Sucks 'em right straight to hell. :(

Cheers ML, still sounds like a blast...I`d put money on Ethan`s mug showing up too (wouldn`t be surprised if he`ll be a regular).

Yup, that`s pretty much suck`s for ardent fans such as you.
Maybe, I`ll be a Gent and send you out some Videos ;)

If it comes to that (which it probably will), I've some connections in the UK I'll be hitting up for tapes. :D But thanks for the offer! :)

And if Robin Sachs isn't given a regular berth on the show, then there is no justice.

From IMDB:

Just FYI. :)

Thanks for the news, Chris! :D

Yeah, I figured as much, although I hadn't heard this particular news. She's way too big to stay on the show much longer. All contracts for the series regulars will be up at the end of the coming season, so who knows what will happen? If enough of them stay, they'll probably find a way to keep it going, and I'm sure I'll be a'watching. Unless it blows, and then I'll stop. :D

'Tis depressing, but that's the way it goes, I reckon. And frankly, Sarah Michelle Gellar herself leaving the show doesn't really bother me, although I'll probably get reamed by the other Buffy fans here for saying that. She's the title character and the center of the show, sure, but it's the supporting players that keep me tuning in more than anything. If they stay, and she goes, then there's still hope for Buffy (the show, not herself), as far as I'm concerned. :yup:

Although, as titles, "Dawn the Vampire Slayer" or "Dawn the Vampire Slayer's Younger Sister" don't have quite the same ring to them... ;)

I'd still watch the show without Buffy herself appearing. They could call it "Sunnydale" or something, and make it more of an ensemble piece. If the writing was still top notch, I know I'd be there. (Buffy was always my least favorite character anyways.)

I love Buffy The Vampire Slayer! seriously the best show. Can't wait: Buffy the Musical is coming out on CD September 24th!

Cool. I need to get that cd. Most of those songs will not get out of my head.

Aargh! Double Posting!!!! But the Buffy XBox game is out now, and it's unbelievably cool. some of the vamps even yell D'oh! when they get dusted! Almost the entire cast except for SMG (big Surprise there) appear in the game doing their own voices, and you even get to fight Spike, who is a tough bastard and impossible to kill in the game. If you have an Xbox, get this game!

New season's a'coming! New season's a'coming!

I'm so ready for Tuesday night. So, so ready. So ready you wouldn't even believe it if I tried to describe it in more detail.

Seriously.

What's unfortunate is the two weeks left of waiting for the Angel season premiere...

I don`t believe you...try.

Can someone tell me why this show is such a big deal? I've seen it, I like it, but it ain't the best I've ever seen.

Why do you people like it? What's special about it?

What's the deal? It's Buffy! It's just good! I can't explain to people why it's great tv, you either get it or you don't. I, for one, will be front and center on tuesday for the season premiere. And I will be getting the "Once more...with feeling" CD. (in stores on the very same day...JOY!) Buffy is the only show I really watch anymore. Once I start working again, it'll be the only show I watch at all.

I dig Buffy for many, many reasons. The snappy, insightful writing, which is some of the best on TV. The characters, who've evolved so far by now that they're as real as you can get in fiction. The drama and the humor. The monsters. The many comings of the Apocalypse. The bad guys--again, some of the best on TV.

I dig the way it feels like real life, with real problems and real emotions--and, sure, the things that go bump in the night. There've been a lot of shows on TV that have dealt with the paranormal, and some of them are great. But it's damn hard to maintain a balance between the character's lives in the "real" world and their lives as evil-thwarters, and Buffy has maintained that balance consistently and believably for six years--and it still manages to make me laugh during every episode, and cry during more than a few.

This, I think, is as close as I can get to an explanation of why I like the show. I think there's an element of Monkey's "you either get it or you don't" in there--but then, there's an element of that in just about everything, yes? :)

Thanks for answering Monkey and Mary... oooohh cool alliteration...Monkey and Mary sittin' in a tree..HeeHee


I digress


I think I've watched the show maybe three times. I like Sara Michelle Gellar, I think she's an awesome actress. I'm going to give it more of a chance this season, I mean all you Buffy lovers can't be wrong.

(sings in Adam Sandler whine)

Twenty million Buffy fans can't be wrong...

This season would be a good one to get into, Toose--it's to be a return to the funny, with less of the angsty. And the last two seasons have been most angsty and dramatic, what with death, lust, evil, addiction, etc., figuring heavily into the storylines... and that's just the good guys.

Cripes, I'm ready for more. More, more, more. The season opener was a rockin' good time, with a nice glimpse of what looks to be this season's Big Bad. It's a doozy.

Hey, anyone else see the season opener? Any theories, conjectures, for what's to come? I've got a few, but I need company if I'm going to put my lame ideas out for public consumption... ;)

Yes oh loquacious one... I'm on it. I'll let you know if i can dig or not.

New season of Buffy: Most excellent.

I loved the vamp getting stuck in his grave and asking Buffy to help him out. "I think my foot is twisted around a root..":laugh:
I loved Dawn getting Slayer Lessons.
Xander helped build the new Hellmouth High? weird.
I still wonder if Spike's going to be good or evil. (I choose evil, but I don't get to choose.)
and I hope both Giles and Willow return to sunnydale soon.

As for the new big bad? WHAT IS GOING ON? is it a combo of all previous villains, is it using Spike as it's minion, is it tormenting him because he's so weak and unable to stop it? It's all very intriguing. I can't wait to see how this turns out.

Time to rev this thread back up again. This post is for the fans--Monkey Man, I'm talking to you. :D And, of course, any other big fans here (Jonny Goodboy, Dante, etc.).

I got an e-mail from a friend who subscribes to an online spoiler fan site (she's a very, very bad girl for loving the spoilers, but I digress). She was sent a survey for BtVS fans that's being used as the basis for a pop culture study on fandom, and, while it is fairly lengthy, it looks pretty neat. And, hey, if you're a Buffy fan, you should support any and all academia that recognizes the phenomenon that is our beloved show.

The link:

http://home.earthlink.net/~buffysurv...fy/Survey.html

Check it out, won't you?

And I've seen the Buffy CD, but haven't gotten it yet. Arg! :frustrated: I hate being poor. And white. And trash.

Just took the survey. It's very thorough. :yup:

Anyway....I finally get what's going on with Spike. As a result of getting his soul back, he's getting bombarded by the voices and faces of everyone he's wronged as well as random flashbacks of his human life. Psychic feedback, if you will. I'm starting to like Dawn more this year. I think she's coming into her own as a character, and I wouldn't be surprised if she was to become the next Slayer after Buffy, who, I'm thinking is toast at season's end. I may be wrong. She may sign on for another season, I don't know. I read somewhere Faith is coming back by the end of the year. Now SHE has a higher chance of meeting her maker at year's end, I think. I hope they can get Angel to appear in at least one Ep if this is the last year. Last thing, I hope things turn out happy for Willow. She deserves it after last year. Tara getting capped was the single most disturbing thing I've seen on tv ever. (It's a tie with Anya getting Impaled against the wall on last week's Ep, actually...).

Yeah, my friends and I have noticed the Dawn-coolage this season--definitely a gear-up for Dawnie taking center stage once Sarah moves on. No one'd want to watch the show if was all about whiny, bratty, klepto Dawn. And I think they've done a creditable job with the attitude adjustment--she's getting more power and more responsibility, so she's becoming much more cool and mature.

You think they'll kill Buffy again? I dunno... I read somewhere (wish I could remember) that Sarah's signed a deal to appear in a handful of eps next season, rather like what Tony Head's got going this season. Of course, it could be flashback material, but I doubt it.

And I'm definitely liking the Spike stuff, and I think you're right. However, I do think we're going to be finding that there's even more to it--the multi-facial Big Baddie, for instance...

Just watched the new Buffy ep. A few things: The Breeders are just....ROCK. One of my all time favorites. Almost as good as when Joey Ramone's "Stop Thinking About it" was playing at the Bronze in the recent giant worm episode. Dawn takes center stage again, she's starting to seem like a mix between Buffy and first season Willow, confident, yet....not. Spike and Xander teaming up actually worked...But for how long? Will trying to turn Mr. Football Hero into a girl.:laugh: Liked the 1970's "Starsky and Hutch" music, too.

Off topic a little, but not really. I was watching the movie S.F.W. today. Amber Benson was in one scene as a high school student who....well, not like anyone but me would watch such a bizarre flick, but I don't want to give away the ending. Anyway, It just made me laugh. I just saw her and said, out loud, no less, (Nobody was home) "Hey! It's Tara!" this got me thinking:

What are the best movies featuring Buffy cast members, and on the flip side, what are the worst?

My picks for best:

S.F.W. (Amber Benson)
Cruel Intentions (Sarah Michelle Gellar in her only watchable big screen role!)
American Pie (Alyson Hannigan)

Worst:

American Pie 2 (Alyson Hannigan)
Scooby Doo (Sarah Michelle Gellar)
I Know What You Did Last Summer (Sarah Michele Gellar)

(honestly, the list of bad SMG movies just goes on and on...)

Damn!!!...Too..............many...............spoilers....:frustrated: ...........must.................refrain.............from..............reading...............any..... ......more.............new.............season............not............yet.................started. ...........here......................yet. :frustrated:

;)

Anyway, where`s that survey.

If you don't wanna see any spoilers, even vague as hell ones, avert your eyes, children....

Just watched the new Buffy Ep. I was wondering when our morphing big bad would come back. It was back hard-core tonight. Liked Dawn doing spells to cast whatever the hell it was out of her house, the two surviving geeks are back, so's Cassie (sort of....Evil Laugh), and Spike is back to his old ways, which I don't get, or was HE our morphy pal too? (I want spike to be evil again so bad. He was funnier that way.) This was a fantastic episode all around.

Something I need to know: Who was the singer at the beginning of this ep? It's going to bother me if I don't know.

Okay. Let's discuss Buffy some more, eh?

And, of course, the new season of Angel. :D See the "Buffy on Angel" thread for my single solitary bit of spoiler knowledge... if you dare...

:devil:

Oh yes! I love the Buffy thread! Thanks for bringing it back!

New Angel eps start wednesday, but I gotta work! :bawling: I'll have my bro tape em for me. Spike shoulda stayed deceased, but I'll give them the benifit of a doubt. Hell, Ben Edlund, one of the producers of Angel went to HS with a guy I know, and he made up the tick, so....

At least you'll have the taping of it.

Oooo, and I just realized something. Now that I'll be working days, I'll be able to watch Angel without the taping.

I'm very, very ready for the new season. Angel has seriously come into its own in the last two seasons--as much as I love Season One for its many great moments, it really did suffer from being in the shadow of Buffy. But Seasons Two and Three were consistently in top form--with the kicker being that holy-sheep-sh*t season ender.

And, no, I ain't talkin' about Connor's boring-but-loving new life. I'm talking about the Angel gang taking over at Wolfram & Hart.

I seriously don't think they could have made a bolder or more intelligent move. It introduces so much internal conflict for the characters--and the possibilities are endless. Mind-boggling, even. I am all agog. :D

It is with great, great interest that I'm going to tune in on Wednesday night. And now that two of the greatest Buffy writers are going to be scribbling for Angel now--Drew "Continuity Man" Goddard and the great god Joss Himself--as well as having people like Ben Edlund (!) and oldie-but-goodie David Fury on the writing team, I foresee great things to happen.

And there's that Spike guy, too. And some Buffy guestings.

Bring it on, folks. And, for God's sake, bring back Lindsay! Mr. Goddard, I believe I am talking to you. :D

Yeah, I'll see every ep about two days or so later, but I'll see 'em, so don't post any spoilers!

Fun Buffy Stuff:

Reading the latest Buffy comic series, a three part trilogy set after the ill fated Movie, and leading up to Buffy's parents divorce and to the first episode. This is some cool (and Joss Whedon approved) stuff. It features the story of Buffy's stay at a mental institution, AND just how Wolfram and Hart first found out about Angel! Plus, a conjoined twin Vamp, which is pretty funny.

yep, totally agree there...the directions it cold go in now are limitless...CAAAN'T WAIT (it won't aire here in Oz for another 6 months at least :bawling: )

i had never watched Buffy until Angel started...and then my eyeballs got a load of Spike and i started to watch both shows just to perve on him...3.5 years later, i'm Buff-dicted (hey, i just made a new word :D )

i never got to see the Buffy/Angel lovestory unfold so when Buffy and Spike started to get it on, i was hooked - unlike die-hard fans of the show who loved the Buffy/Angel saga so much they "hated" the Spuffy bits....what about you guys? love or hate Spuffyness??

i know i'm not the only one on the planet who Spuffys (cause i can google and i've found heaps of Spuffy fansites :D) but i am beginning to think i'm the only one in Australia...i know not ONE person agrees with me...i used to talk Buffy every Tuesday morning with a girls at work (about the previous night's episode)...sometimes she had taped it and hadn't seen it yet, so if i told her there had been Buffy/Spike sex scenes the night before, she refused to watch the episode

anyway, thanks Mary for bringing up this thread :) would love to read your opinions about the new Angel shows seeing as i won't be watching them for ages yet

Oh, that you haven't seen the B & A saga... It truly is wonderful, in a completely tragic kind of way. :D

However, I don't mind the Spuffy--I actually thought it was a good plot development, especially the way they handled it this last season. Although I always held a secret hope, even when she turned gay, that he and Willow would hook up. :blush: It's dumb.

But thank God he got rid of Dru. As funny as she was, there's only so much you can take.

"I'm naming all the stars..."
"Can't see the stars, love. That's the ceiling. Also, it's day."
"I've given them all the same name, and there's terrible confusion. I fear there may be a duel..."

Oh, I feel so bad for you. That's unfair in the unfairest sense of the word. I'll keep the spoilers to a minimum... unless you like them. ;)

My feelings, in brief, on the season opener of Angel:

I'm feeling good things. The episode itself, as so many season openers were, was good--and so very enjoyable--but not great. I'm not disappointed, though. It seems to be a tradition for both Buffy and Angel to start off as merely good (or even a tad subpar--anyone remember "The Freshman"? No? Exactly. :p ) and then pick up steam around the fifth-ish episode.

And thanks to Mr. Whedon, there is much of the great and quotable in this ep. :D

Peon Marine-type: "Whatever happened to mercy?"
Angel: "He just saw the last of it."

I've got more, but I'll add them later. This post is approaching its maximum velocity as it is. :p

Lots of stuff for the season set up, though:

I like Fred's new role--she seriously gets a take-charge girl kind of attitude--and while there's a smidge of sexual tension between her and Wesley, it's not being played up much as of yet. Very nicely done.

And Gunn. Hooo, boy. We got some hints that W & H were going to attempt to use him in some way--he met the new Conduit last season, remember--and we find out at least a bit of the company's plans for him. And things look... interesting. :D I'm ready for a Gwen Raiden ep, and I'm ready for it now.

Arg. I want to post more specifically, but this post is huge already and I don't know how much to tell. And the spoilers tags are just too much for me to handle right now. So, I'll leave it at this, and post more later. :yup:

I've had a rather disturbing and horrifying thought.

What if Dawn and Conner end up getting together? :scream:

Imagine the spawn of hell that would arise from this pair. :eek: shudder

Ah, God--don't give the writers any ideas!

A whiny, homicidal, klepto kid with a serious inferiority complex and straight hair...

Kill it before it grows. That's all I've got to say. :eek: :sick:

oh pleeeeease don't limit your spoilers...WHAT WILL I HAVE LEFT?????

:laugh: The cry of the desperate fan. I feel your pain. And thus I shall soon post a quite spoiler-heavy--with tags, never fear, for those who don't want to be spoiled--review of eps one and two.

I cannot wait for Wednesday. I just freakin' can't. :D

you're a doll :D

Ack. Sorry about the lateness--I've been meaning to post for days now, and I still haven't quite got the energy for a real review. :p

However, I'll put in a few thoughts whilst I'm here.

Again, I must say I'm digging on the new dynamic. Adding Spike into the mix has been good for the show: giving Angel someone he truly can't stand, and yet can't get rid of, for verbal jousts while spicing up the lives of the still-new, still-quite-uncomfortable-with-their-new-jobs Angelettes.

Spoilers below. Beware!

Spike as a ghost is almost as good as Spike with a chip. Once again, he's rendered incapable of doing the one thing he can do fairly well: kill, punch, kick, etc. And the writers are keeping up with the introspection that has come to our boy in the last few years, and not just because of the soul. He doesn't want to be alive, because he wants to have died a hero. A true hero. And yet he's afraid of "moving on" (something the writers are playing up with his frequent "fuzzing out" of the material plain) because he's afraid he'll go to Hell--and, as he says to Fred just before asking her for help, "That's not where heroes go."

And, funny thing about Fred: she and Spike have an interesting chemistry, different from but akin to the one he had with Faith. She's the only Angelette who seems to fully sympathize with him, and she's also the only Angelette who has the scientific know-how to possibly help him in his ultimate goals: either to live again (so to speak) or to make it to Heaven.

Hmm... ;D

And, of course, lest we forget that prophecy--the one about the "vampire with a soul"? Well, Angel ain't the only vamp-kid on the block with a soul now...

GOSH did anyone see the previews for the next episode whoa totally creepy and Icant wait.. I hope fred can help spike

hey BlackQueen, good seeing ya finally. fred and spike seem like are really hitting it off, not in a romantic thing, but as friends. She just all of a sudden feels for him and spike isit pushing her away (maybe cause he knows shes the only one who WILL help him). These two are going to be very tight i feel.

MARY: thanks so much for that review...there' sno one i'd rather hear it from...kiss kiss (and keep em coming pliiiiiiiizzzzzzzzz) :)

I totally will. In fact, I'll post some more thoughts on last week's ep right this very minute. :D

Werewolves on Buffy shows: there must be something written down in the Book of Joss that states, "Thou shalt make certain that any werewolf costume must appear to be lame."

Seriously, folks. First we get Oz's terrier-wolf, then we get Veruca's Gwar-wolf, and now we get what appears to be... well, I just don't know. The Angel crew must have seen Dog Soldiers at some point, and while the look is much better--taller, less hairy--it's still so freakin' obvious that it's a costume. Surely they could spend more money, couldn't they, to make their werewolves scarier?

Ah, well. It's a beef I've had with them for a long time. Another beef with me is that they must always throw blonde women at Angel for potential love interests, and werewolf girl seems to be most definitely that. Another recurring character, another blonde love interest... Which reminds me: where the hell is Gwen Raiden, who of course is neither blonde nor an Angel love interest? I seriously want to know what she thinks of the Wolfram & Hart deal, not to mention Gunn's transformation to gansta lawya.

And, since I'm on the shallow end, I might as well throw this in, as well. :D Angel's hair this season makes me shudder. It's longer now, and gelled back. And yuck. :sick: ;)

http://home.iprimus.com.au/n7of9/ind...smileyJump.gif


but its ok...we've got Spike now...hubba hubba

"Guess what i wanna do now you prissy son of a b@itch"
Spike (Angel 5x04, Hellbound)

quote of the season so far!!

i am mysteriously getting my hands on copies of season 5 :D

YAY! See, now I'm glad I wasn't posting spoilers all over the place--now you get to see it all happen new and fresh-like.

And now we can compare notes. One of my favorite moments:

"Spike."
"Spike?"
"Blondie Bear?!"

:laugh: Harmony's mix-and-match metaphors have been lovely, too. :D

Harmony has minions? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Another classic line.



She had so many good scenes.

I also loved the bitch-slap fest between her and Xander. :D

Okay. Finally need to start posting again. I like Angel, but don't love it in the same way I did Buffy, but it's all we got left, so...I'm never home to watch it, but my girl tapes it religiously for me so I get to see it. :love: (I am so her b*tch..)

First, I do like the addition of Spike. Brings a nasty sense of humor to the show that I think it needed. But I hope they don't hook up Spike with Fred. Amy literally screamed "NO!" when they started looking too chummy. Neither of us thinks spike has a chance with Buffy, but he should not hook up with Fred.

I like what they're doing with Lorne and Gunn, but they need to give Wesley something to do. He really hasn't done anything yet.

Angel is like a chick magnet this year! Eve, that werewolf girl who's name escapes me... ahh, just as long as cordelia doesn't come back. Angel/Cordelia was just wrong.

Lastly, am I the only one who thought Spike/Faith coulda worked? They so should have done that, but like Evil Spike and Faith. That would have made some kick-ass eps.

Spike and Fred...no no no no no no nooooo..it HAS to be Fred and Wesley...a jealous Wes would just sulk [eeewwwww] but a jealous Spike can be evil and do stupid things, in that oh-so-lovable way of his, always messing up and then trying to redeem himself

y'know, i hadn't noticed until you said that...i was still all excited that Spike was there...but yes, Wes needs a job!!! i liked him and Leila and we saw the naughty side of him (although i didn't like Leila, i thought she was too weak an actor)

"this year"..the man is a WALKING chick magnet...he is daaaamn fine!!
and what is the story with Cordelia...she still in a coma?? anyone know if she has signed on for any more episodes??

spot on!!! that would have been cool

i'm a bit of a wallpaper-ho and this is the best new Angel wallpaper i have found which includes Spike
http://home.iprimus.com.au/n7of9/ind...el%20small.jpg click here for the desktop size

From the "Charisma Carpenter" website: "We are able to confirm today that, as per the WB cast listing, there are no plans at the present time for Charisma to return to the show. However, if the opportunity presents itself, the possibility exists that she could return as a guest star or in a series recurring role (similar to Lorne). For the fifth season, Andy Hallett and James Marsters join the cast as series regulars."

This was posted in June of this year. Yep, still in a coma.

And yes, I agree, Wesley needs a little more attention. I did enjoy the "bad" Wesley and like the way his character has evolved. I think they ought to bring back Willow for a couple of guest spots.

Seems like this thread is dying.... Does anyone here have the Buffy video game (any of them) and do you like it and how far are you?

I have both of the xbox games. I like the first one better, but there is this one point I can't do without dying. I am progressing a bit more in the second one... but I want to kill the girl who does the voice of Willow.

For Christmas I am asking for a Gameboy Advance so I can get the Buffy Gameboy Advance game. That looks good and I don't know anyone who has played it. There is also a Buffy Gameboy Color game (which also plays on Gameboy Advance) out there, but it is out of stock. You can find it on www.half.com. I want to get that as well.

The games are the only way "Buffy" can live on.

I played the first Xbox Buffy game and was pretty impressed. As far as TV game adaptions go that was most impressive.

Hey I still haven't seen the last six ever episodes, as I'm cheap and don't have cable. So I'll um read this topic later. Oh yeah the Buffy game. I'd buy it but erm I'm short of cash and am going to get Counter-strike anyway ;)

Buffy related goodness:

I just got Joss Whedon's comic book "Fray," which is just fantastic so far. It's a THICK comic book, but it's well worth it for $20 bucks. It is about a future Slayer, named Fray, obviously, set way after Buffy and Faith's time, when the whole Slayer mythology has pretty much been forgotten and nobody even remembers what vampires are. Plus, it introduced the Slayer weapon that Buffy got in the last few eps of the last season! Much coolness. Every Buffy fan should pick it up, I think, and it should be made into a movie directed by Luc Besson! (Natalie Portman should play Fray. It is so obvious!!!)

Being a comic fan and a massive buffy addict, I will have to check this out! Thanks for the heads up :)

i'm a newbie!
 

ok well I've never done this thread stuff but i saw this one and couldn't resist. To start I'm the biggest Buffy and Angel fan ever. all the character's are cool except Riley and Cordeila. they were just annoying. Riley and buffy were just YUCk. Especially after Buffy and ANgel :) Willow was Awesome especially in seasons 1-3. Dawn was kind of annoying afetr a while though. I am SO sad buffy is over and am now reduced to watching trailers for the next episode of angel on thewb.com and buying old seasons on dvd ( I just need seasons 1, 6, and 7!!!)

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Hi people i am a massive buffy and angel fan i love it and ive been hooked since season 1!

Xander is my fave-he has the best lines, 'Maybe it's a vampire bat'

*Bump*

Angel finale last night was quite good.

Ciao Buffy-verse shows, we will miss you!!


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i can't beleive two of the greatest shows ever are finished it sucks a$$

*Bump*

Been watching Season 6 again... Most don't like this season but I think it's great...

Season Six was like a train wreck in so many ways for our beloved characters. I mean, it ain't no coincidence that two of the pivotal episodes were "Smashed" and "Wrecked." The whole season is just painful--I remember watching them going through their various breakdowns and thinking, "Oh, my God. I wish I could help them in some way, or at least give them each a hug and some hot chocolate." This doesn't in any way negate its quality (in fact, it was probably the ballsy-est season of them all, which is saying something) but I think it definitely adds to the not-likey factor for a lot of fans.

As for where I'd put it in my rankings... I can't say yet. I need to watch all the eps again. Cripes, I haven't seen any of them since their original airings...! And I call myself a fan. :nope: :blush:

But I've got Season Five on divid as we speak (borrowed, of course, as I'm poor as hell, and currently up to "I Was Made to Love You," which I'm very excited to see again) so hopefully I'll be moving on to Six within a month or so. :D That makes me happy, that thought.

I'll be posting my second-time-around thoughts on Season Five as a whole once I'm finished... not that this is, like, amazing news or anything :rolleyes:... but I gotta say that I'm surprised at all the stuff I didn't remember--little details that really make a difference when you know how it's all gonna end. Very cool stuff. Anyway, more on that later.

I agree with you somewhat, but the second time around, I didn't find season 6 as depressing as I did the first time watching it. Probably cause I knew what was going to happen, but still. It was intended to provoke the fans, i think, but I ended up liking it more for all of it's "let's just torture the hell out of the characters" bravado. Honestly one of the reasons I like buffy so much is the constant turmoil the characters' relationships go through. If it was just buffy fighting the monster of the week, it wouldn't have been as addictive. Still not loving the tara killing, cause tara was one of my favorite characters, but I still love the whole season.

Oh, absolutely. But there was something so much darker in all of the downward spirals in Season Six--they'd been in bad places before, but this time around all those bad places were rooted in themselves. Willow's addiction to magic, Buffy's resentment of being alive again and inability to adjust, Giles's debate over leaving (again), the sadness that was Xander and Anya's breakup...

This definitely ain't Monster of the Week, but it isn't your typical Buffy Big Bad-centric drama, either. The previous seasons were much more black-and-white--and even more innocent--but six is nothing but shades of grey. "We have seen the enemy, and it is us" (I'm mangling the quote, but the sentiment is the same): the real badness--Warren aside--of which there was plenty, was inside the characters. Season Six took all the turmoil that could possibly have been and twisted it into dark reflections of all the core Scoobies--without creating doppelgangers or robots. Nope. All of them screwed themselves up right and proper without it being the fault of a spell or the machinations of anyone--the way we all do, only in the Buffyverse people tend to die or get maimed more often. And this theme has been used in other seasons, o' course, but it hadn't before been so completely realized.

That's why Warren works well as a villain for this season: he's just a bad guy. Maybe he could have been an all right person under the right circumstances, but he's just an ordinary, everyday a*shole with two willing and useful lackeys--he's a human monster. And Willow as the real Season Six Big Bad is so perfect, and fits so well with everything that had been unfolding/set up during the last few seasons: one of the inner circle goes haywire and becomes everything they've been fighting for the last six years. We saw it with Angel, but it got perfected with Willow.

Ack. I feel like I'm blabbing in circles here, so I'm going to stop. But I just had to let some of my ideas out, 'cause your comment really got me thinking, MP... :)

Okay, here's something that I noticed because it is something I have first hand experience with, unfortunately, but watching season 6 again, i became painfully aware that Buffy's resentment of being alive again was a thinly veiled way to address what it's like suffering from depression. I mean, as I watched the eps again, i was like "Oh my god, I have felt like that!" or "I have said that!" Just the idea that you're not really living, you're just "going through the motions," That being invisible and not really existing would be better than having to deal with the pain of your every day life, shutting yourself off from those who are your closest friends, indulging in self destructive behaviour, and the intense guilt and self-loathing that comes from it....I recognized these as things i have done or felt in the past 8 or 9 months, and it really woke me up! Buffy as therapy...who would have known? Season 6 had finally turned Buffy herself into my favorite character because for the first time, I understood what she's going through. If I ever met Sarah Michelle Gellar, I would just give her the biggest hug that anyone has ever gotten, i swear. (she'd then call the police, I'm sure, but I mean, i haven't been touched that deeply by a TV show before or since....) Wow, I am just rambling on and on....but now I am really thinking about this a lot. I love having someone to talk Buffy with again! :)

Same here. :)

And I know exactly what you mean about the depression thing, although at this time last year, I don't think I would have understood it so well. I've only been through one period of real, major, can't-eat-can't-sleep-can't-pull-myself-out-of-it depression, but that was enough--and I couldn't just let myself shut down. Instead, I just pretended everything was okay and that I was fine... which of course made it all that much worse (pretty much like Buffy). Before that, I'd never truly understood (or truly sympathized) with people who suffered from it--including Buffy during Season Six.

Now I do. And I just realized that re-watching Season Six is going to be a helluva lot more painful on a personal level now than it was two years ago. Is it sick that I'm kind of looking forward to some cathartic misery?

Hmm... I say no. Even when I was feeling my worst, I didn't try to destroy the world or flay anyone alive magically. So I've got that going for me, which is nice. :p

Yeah, I didn't understand it at all the first time I saw it either, but it wasn't till the second time around that I broke down crying during 90% of the episodes. (That and all the episodes about buffy's mum in season 5 just tear me up BIG TIME.) I just saw so much of myself in Buffy, even though I'm a guy...lol. Honestly, the first time I watched the eps, I sympathized with spike more, him being a man so madly in love with a girl who won't tell anyone about their relationship because she cares more about what other people will think than she actually cares about him...but I don't wanna talk about that...

But yeah, it's cathartic. I think that I have watched Season 6 more times than any other season for that reason. I mean, the final episode of that season is just a revelation, honestly. I mean, no, i really don't have friends who will stick by me through the bad times as many of them have so wonderfully demonstrated on many occasions, but that Buffy's and Willow's friends did not give up on them was just this awe inspiring thing.

Nicely said. And that point is driven home so perfectly by the fact that it isn't superpowers that save the world this time. Instead, it's Xander, and his pure, unwavering friendship and love.

Kinda warms those cockle-thingies in your heart, whatever they are. :D And the most validating way to end a season that was built on all-consuming emotional and psychological suffering.

Once again, I totally agree. it was nice that Xander got to save the world for once, too. I've always rooted for him. when I first started watching Buffy, he was the character i identified with most, and not just because he was the only guy. haha.

I think I need to just have a Buffy Marathon on my next day off.

Oh, any idea when season 7 dvd comes out?

Season 7 should come out in OCTOBER!!!! :) :) :) :) :)

(sorry for that random burst on energy)

Anyway, been reading your discussion on season 6 and, yeah, I have to agree with you. When I first saw it for a while I was like, wow Buffy's being such a b*tch. But then I realized why she was acting the way she did. Took me a little while, lol. Then I was taken to a whole new understanding. I was a little younger when I first watched it, so I think rewatching the DVDs now has definitely had an impact.