Who Do You Choose?
 

For Action Movies

arnold schwarzenegger or sylvester stallone

and also
For Westerns

john wayne or clint eastwood?


i pick wayne and stallone both them guys took their genres to the top and stallone is still doing it

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Action Movies: Stallone.

Westerns: Eastwood.

I'm definitely not going with John Wayne... so for Westerns, give me Clint ... as for action, gotta go with Arnuld... even though I do like Stallone...

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Wayne & Eastwood both had different takes on the western genre.. so it's really difficult to compare.

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I was thinking the same thing. Their western movies were so much different. I like them both -- maybe giving Eastwood the nod. Don't you think this would be real dependent on the age of the reviewer? With an older person (even older than me, if you can believe that) going with Wayne over Eastwood?

i think some of the best westerns ever made were the dollars trilogy but for as for who i like to watch play different parts in westerns i love the way wayne portrays his characters

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I don't think it's got anything to do with age..

My main problem with Wayne was his political views & the way he kept slamming other western films & actors, just cause of their political alignment.
I am well versed with US Politics, but had read something about his reaction towards High Noon.

Was it Gary Cooper he was after? Or the movie itself?

I think it was both.

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henry fonda and james stewart was friends but duked it out over politics once, back then they took tht stuff to heart

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Ah-nuld. Clint.

Opposite for me. Sylvester and John!

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Sylvester Stallone and Clint Eastwood!

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yeah i dont know who won but they stayed friends afterwards

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Yeah, but be honest: are those also the two guys you find more attractive?

Ha ha. In the case of Sylvester and Arnold, definitely Sylvester. But Clint Eastwood is hotter than John Wayne. Actually, John Wayne does nothing for me. Arnold used to be kinda hot, too - especially in the first Terminator and during his 1970's weight lifting, Pumping Iron days.

I found references to a fist fight between Fonda and Stewart but I also found this in wiki. So, it's likely there was never a physical fight.

I think the 10 gauge Winchester shotgun is what gets my vote.

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yeah i dont remember where i read they did maybe its folklore

Well, the arguments over politics aren't folklore. Fonda was a liberal Democrat and Stewart was a conservative Republican. I was just reading that Jane's estrangement with her father was partly because of his friendship with several conservative Republicans.

but i did find this "A political argument in 1947 resulted in a fist fight between them, but the two apparently maintained their friendship by never discussing politics again."

i also found that henry was said to have won. stewart was sittin in a chair and fonda came runnin at him or something. anyways its a interesting tale

Yes, but that has a footnote in wiki.

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yeah so idk i wish if they did they would have caught it on tape haha

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BTW just asking, What was the point of this thread??

Yes. Sorry. Back on topic. (Like g_p has never hijacked a thread -- sure! ;))

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just wanted to see peoples perspectives on which actor they perferred im studying the history of film in school right now

I wasn't interrupting, in fact was just curious what the original poster wanted out of this thread.

Me & hijack a thread... I don't think that has ever happened.. :nope:

May I ask, why you limited the choice to these 4 actors...
Why not Lee Marvin or Charles Bronson as an Action Star?

And I guess it really wasn't a hijack since the OPer introduced the new topic. All is well. Life is good.

How does that make life any good?
But am still curious about his choice of actors?

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well in my opinion those 4 each had the biggest involvement in the expansion of their genres so that was my basis

Interesting... you think Bronson & Marvin didn't expand the genre in anyway..
What about Bruce Willis, they say when Die Hard people's view of an action hero changed a great deal.

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yeah of course they did its jus die hard got played out after the 2nd one in my opinion and bronson is right up there with those 2 its jus the fact that eastwood and sergio leone invented their own style and wayne even tho he acts mostly the same in many movies his presence and teamin up with john ford made him even better alot of my decisions are made from the actors their movies and the choice of director that they work with. such as with arnold and cameron im more of a director type.

I think your missing a word in Pumetih's response to your question: "biggest":

Interesting...

But actors like Steve McQueen, Bronson were used regularly by directors. (maybe not more than 2 films).. but Cameron used Arnold only 3 times.

I think Pumethih made his/his point a bit more clear now, I don't think he implied that they were the only biggest stars...

Lee Marvin, James Coburn, Charles Bronson were pretty much as big as Arnold & Stallone.

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yeah i understand where your coming from its jus a personal perference of thinkin those actors expanded their genres the most.

So Charles Bronson & Lee Marvin's contribution to the action genre is just my own personal preference??

As much as I liked those three actors, I'm not sure they were as big as Arnold and Sylvester. That would be a hard statement to prove.

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not their contribution/ no1 can deny they all paved the way for actors of the modern day genres that pay homage to their services but if u really think they had a bigger impact as wayne eastwood arnold or ss then that would be a personal preference. not a right or wrong answer

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I don't think Arnold can act as much as any of the other actors I have mentioned...

Arnold has 6 major hits in a 40 year career... Lee Marvin & Bronson are certainly not as popular as Arnold, but they have influenced the action genres far more than you think.

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its like i think pacino and deniro expanded the gangster genre.. give credit to cagney and muni but pacino and deniro expanded it

I am not comparing these guys to Wayne & Eastwood?.. those 2 are perfect choice for their genre.

But I don't get the limitation for action stars to Stallone & Arnold?.
Can you please list their so called "BIG" influence on the genre.

Yes. Agreed. But that's changing the topic.

Ah, you dropped one out: James Colburn. :)

Wait a second. I take that back. Now, I really liked Charles Bronson but do I think he was a better actor than Arnold? Not sure about that.

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Ohh Come on.... It's Bronson, ofcourse he is a better actor..
We're not talking about Seagal here.

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death race 2000
rocky
cobra
lock up
cliff hanger
judge dredd
the specialist
cop land
assassins
get carter


terminator
true lies
the last action hero
eraser
predator
commando
collateral damage
conan


compared to

the magnificent seven
the great escape
bullitt


the dirty dozen
death wish
once upon a time in the west
violent city
death hunt

charles and mcqueen have them on westerns.. but im talkin action.. their is no comparison

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Let's not even get Seagal in the picture here, my apologies for mentioning his name.
BTW after watching Machete, I think Seagal is finally learning to act.... if he keeps up the good work, we might have a breakthrough.

Regarding Bronson, his acting in Great Escape, Mechanic, Mr Majestyk, Death Hunt were all far better than any acting Arnold has ever done.

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and action stars arnt suppose to be the best actors.. u just have to be built, be a badass and blow **** up.. in which them two do the best.. thats why football players r becomin action heroes.. i think arnold and ss blew more **** up and kicked more ass

My main argument was with Marvin & Bronson.

Bronson had far more better movies than the ones you stated:
Mr Majestyk
Mechanic
Valachi Papers
Red Sun
Chato's Land
Telefon
Raid on Enteebe


Marvin had a 35 year long career (till his death) & Arnold had a 40 year old career (still alive).

i agree cb has way better acting skills i just still dont think he expanded it like arnold or ss they took the 1980s and 90s and turnt the action genre into the modern day action movies that we watch now.

cb paved the way for those stars yes but expanded as widely as them 2? no

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I stopped watching action movies in the 1980's. They just seemed too silly. So i have no opinion about Stallone vs. Ah-nold. Wait that's wrong. I have watched Schwarzennegger's sci-fi movies and I prefer his on screen persona to Stallone's but then all I know of Stallone is a couple Rocky movies.

As for westerns, I prefer the Duke. I guess that's because his films were less nihilistic than the Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns. I also think his on screen persona had a little more emotional depth that Eastwood's

What do you mean by expanded?? Do you mean Global releases??

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I think he means they starred in films which took special F/X and MTV-style editing to the level where many of their releases were massively popular (with both sexes) and paved the way for the modern CGI action flick (and almost every trailer too, unfortunately).

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None of Stallone's movies had a really good action director and Arnold worked with that Cameron guy so AS wins.

I'm not a big John Wayne fan, but he made a million westerns compared to Eastwood's few hundred and the best of them are among the best Westerns ever made. Eastwood did good, but Wayne wins the numbers game.

If so, I better run from here before someone says Keanu Reeves is the ultimate action star.

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According to Victor Jory, who had been some kind of amateur fighter or something and liked to brag about it, when Errol Flynn first got to the states, Jory had a party and Flynn kept hitting on other guy's wives. Jory told him to cut it out, Flynn refused, they had a fist fight, and after getting whomped good, Flynn decided to take up Jory's offer to be introduced to some of the single women.

I can't choose between Wayne and Eastwood...that's like voting beween my dad and husband. In my younger days, I used to watch Wayne westerns with my dad. He doesn't sit and watch movies too much, so it's a nice fuzzy memory for me. And my husband gets a kick out of the Eastwood westerns. He'll call me in when a big shoot out is about to happen...he tickles me with "You gotta see this". So, both Wayne and Eastwood are equal to me as far as who I'd prefer to watch.

Action.....for big and beefy action I'd definitely go with Arnold. ;)

Not mentioned though are the scrappy fast action guys....Jackie Chan would get my vote if he were included. :D

I don't care much for John Wayne as a person, but as an actor he was better than Eastwood, having starred in several classics, so it's more than just the numbers. I liked him best when he played against type--the suitor and former fighter who's afraid to fight again in The Quite Man; the "ancient pelican" pilot who fell from grace when one civilian aircraft crashed and who is challenged by a pending disaster in another airliner over the Pacific in The High and the Mighty; The Angel and the Badman where, after the opening credits over scenes of him from other movies firing pistols and rifles, he doesn't fire a shot in virtually the rest of the movie. Plus he deserved his Oscar nomination for his tough non-com in Sands of Iwo Jima. And then there's also Red River with its unusual story line and screenful of great character actors; and Stagecoach, after building through most of the film toward a showdown with three gunmen, the actual gunfight occurs off screen!

As for Eastwood, I think his best work was as Rowdy Yates in the TV series.

Lee Marvin and Bronson had fans of their films back when Arnold was still pumping iron for a living. I used to go to Randolph Scott Westerns just to see Marvin as a hard-ass villain. Marvin was great in Westerns, war movies, and crime films, including film noir, a wider range of better roles than Arnold ever tackled. He also pushed beyond those roles to dramas like Ship of Fools and The Iceman Cometh (playing one of the most unusual characters ever on stage or screen). And then won an Oscar for a role spoofing his Western characters in a Western musical comedy. Go figure! (Did Arnold ever win an Oscar?)

I'm not a big Bronson fan myself--he did some gawd-awful films in his later years. But he had his day and legions of fans and again a bigger range or roles than Arnold.

Each generation assumes the world they know is bigger and better than anything that ever came before--it's only as one ages and develops a sense of history that one begins to see the value of what came before. Meanwhile, some think Arnold hung the moon simply because they saw all of his films as kids, with few previous examples by which to judge him.

Lee Marvin is the best thing in that turgid melodrama Ship of Fools.

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/\ Thank you!!.. finally someone that proved my point..

The only thing Arnold might have done that Marvin & Bronson never got to do was to play a cyborg.

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If we are talking about old time action stars, what about Steve McQueen with the motorcycle chase in The Great Escape and the car chase in Bullitt?

I'm not a big fan, but Burt Reynolds made a fair amount of action movies.

There were second stringers also who made one or two good low budget ones like
Peter Fonda and David Carradine.

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I "liked" Lee Marvin in Ship of Fools talking about not being able to hit a curveball and trying to rape Vivien Leigh, but I didn't think he was any better than Michael Dunn (see the above avatar), Jose Ferrer, Simone Signoret or Oskar Werner. I also didn't find that flick "turgid".

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Stallone - Rambo and Rocky

Eastwood - Mostly because I'm too young for the Wayne era of Westerns.

Eastwood for westerns;
I like John Wayne too, but always thought of Clint as a little less blustery.

Schwartzeneger for action:
If I gotta choose between an Italian Stallion vs Teutonic Titwillow,
Arnolds' gonna have to win that one.

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At this point in time in my movie-watching career, Arnold and John.

Arnie movies I think are more, um, action-y most of the time while he still gives a good performance. I like Stallone a lot too, but I find his dramatic moments more impressive. Not to mention, Arnie always throws in more comedy, which I prefer.

John Wayne is like the quintessial cowboy. Eastwood I still see more as playing a variety of characters and genres.

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sylvester stallone for action and for Westerns john wayne

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The Governator & The Preacher over Tango & The Duke any day.

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Schwarzenegger/Eastwood.

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At least Schwarzeneggar has proved himself to be somewhat sentient. Sometimes I see absolutely nothing behind those eyes of Stallone's.

Eastwood is a badass where Wayne is an *******.

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So you guys have seen Wayne in The Quiet Man and Island in the Sky?

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No.

TQM, yes. And I like that movie but it's not a western. Never seen IITS.

I watched The Searchers last night and didn't like it that much. The occasional comedic scenes just didn't jive with the tone of the rest of the movie -- and weren't very funny either. I don't know. Not even sure why Wayne's character hated Indians so much -- well at least the Comanches.

My favorite John Wayne movie is Donovan's Reef , with Lee Marvin and Jack Warden . It's one of my guilty pleasures. Love the scenery (of course) and the music. A good romantic comedy with a serious moment or two. Elizabeth Allen is a doll too. It's a goofy movie.

Trailer for Donovan's Reef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG8-q498_jI

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For me the worst John Wayne movie has to be Green Berets.

Favourite John Wayne movie is either Rio Lobo or Rio Bravo?.. I have seen both of them, but can't remember which is the one I liked the most, confused just coz of the similar titles.

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stalone and eastwood

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Stallone and Eastwood

My all time favorite.

Stallone and Eastwood.