Forums Separated By Genre?
has this idea ever been proposed or discussed??
I think it would spark some activity...especially a horror forum! |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 368835)
has this idea ever been proposed or discussed??
I think it would spark some activity...especially a horror forum! |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
It's not like there's an influx of genre related threads that warrants the General or Upcoming Movie forums to be divided up. Would be like 15 forums with about 10 threads.
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Yeah, this is a good idea in theory, but I don't know if there are enough threads on most genres to support it. As you pointed out, horror would be the most viable, but even that would be fairly inactive, I think, and would also require that we find a new way to display them all, I think.
It's definitely something I've considered in the past, though, and will strongly consider if the ebb and flow of the topics on MoFo warrant it. |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
It immediately raises problems as what genre each film falls in, especially as many can be considered as more than one. It also precludes the topic from branching out from whatever its original narrow focus may have been originally.
Nah, not necessary or practical. If you can't find a thread on Horror flicks or Sci-Fi or whatever, you must not be looking very hard. I think. |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 369691)
Yeah, this is a good idea in theory, but I don't know if there are enough threads on most genres to support it.
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
How about a best script forum?
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 369877)
I hear ya...but I would think a horror genre forum may actually spark activity...I don't know, it may be worthy of a test run :)
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah (Post 370263)
Dividing forums into sub-topics reduces activity, because it reduces interaction with the casual reader/poster and inhibits people from happening upon topics they might not think to go in search of.
Spectacularly bad idea, I think, even though there are a number of genres that I'd like to see any posts relating to hidden from my sight on the board. It could, however, breed a new subspecies of MoFo Gollum - 400 posts in the half light of the Which Superhero Movie Is Most L33t section without ever venturing as far as General Movie Discussion. This might be an interesting experiment, but only if we're allowed to suddenly lift the lid and watch them scurrying around, looking for the nearest crack in the floorboards. ;) |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
the theory of it reducing activity is completely ludicrous...the general discussion forum is dead as it is...only 7 threads rec'd responses yesterday...dead
...sub-forums would allow genre lovers to talk amongst themselves in smaller and more contained discussions... |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by Tacitus (Post 370327)
It could, however, breed a new subspecies of MoFo Gollum - 400 posts in the half light of the Which Superhero Movie Is Most L33t section without ever venturing as far as General Movie Discussion.
I really thought more people would have an open mind about this idea... |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by Holden Pike (Post 369715)
It immediately raises problems as what genre each film falls in, especially as many can be considered as more than one. It also precludes the topic from branching out from whatever its original narrow focus may have been originally.
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 370961)
the theory of it reducing activity is completely ludicrous...the general discussion forum is dead as it is...only 7 threads rec'd responses yesterday...dead
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 370961)
...sub-forums would allow genre lovers to talk amongst themselves in smaller and more contained discussions...
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Some broader thoughts on the matter
Some broader thoughts on the matter:
More forums inevitably thins thread distribution out. If you're unimpressed by 7 threads having replies in a given forum on a given day, that number will only go down if several of those threads find their way to a genre-specific sub-forums. The general rule with forum creation is that it's employed to deal with topic overflow. If there were tons of Horror-related threads in the General Movie Discussion forum, to the point where people uninterested in horror had to comb through them to get what they wanted, then it would make sense for a Horror Forum. But as it stands now the General Movie Discussion forum has a good cross-section of topics and isn't flooded with any one thing; which is the goal with any "general" forum. Another thing to consider is the possibility of fracturing the user base. It may hard to be imagined now, with this fairly eclectic group, but the clique mentality was a huge issue a few years back. Many new users felt they were shut out by the regulars, and that they had to post hundreds of times and visit regularly for months to feel "accepted" by the community. More forums and more topics, while they would have some benefits, carry with them this possibility, albeit in smaller doses. Anyway, I don't want to give off the impression that I'm dismissing this out of hand. I'm not even ruling the possibility out. But my first instinct is that MoFo has struck upon a pretty good balance of forums and hasn't had topic overflow problems for quite awhile as a result, which is no small feat. That said, there is one big exception to all this: section moderators. Mods around here help cleanup spam and the like, but on many forums it's very different. On most forums (especially very large ones), moderators essentially run a specific forum or category, and are sort of in charge not only of keeping it clean, but also keeping it active. If members here revealed that they wish to run a genre sub-forum, and have been actively holding back threads and posts because they didn't feel they had a place here, that'd be another story. I'm certainly open to sub-forums in that scenario. If this is the case, let me know. In conclusion, this is a very tricky business. There's an ebb and flow to communities like this and it's very hard to pick up on. I don't want to play the experience card too blatantly, but I've been doing this for a very long time and have taken on every role in the forum hierarchy on various sites, and even I wouldn't pretend to know how it all works. So while it may sound "ridiculous" that activity would be reduced by this idea, JB, it's honestly not absurd. I have my theories about why this might be, but community building is more art than science. |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
thanks Y...I'll reply with some further dialogue over the weekend, when Im not being paid at work for doing nothing :D
but...you make good points...and make them by speaking honestly...cheers |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 370981)
thanks Y...I'll reply with some further dialogue over the weekend, when Im not being paid at work for doing nothing :D
but...you make good points...and make them by speaking honestly...cheers Ironically enough, in addition to there not always being a "right" answer in regards to things like this, the best answer one year isn't always the best answer the next one, either. So the possibility of genre-specific sub-forums should be raised from time to time even if it's not something we end up doing right away. |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
This could be a fun idea and make thread posts increase. Something about the expansion, the chaos of movie categories... it's alluring to me. Things are a little too neat and compact here. I think that's a good thing and I've certainly experienced the place quite OK the past five years with genre-less forums. But I think more movie forums might strengthen the focus of movie posts.
I agree that movies can fall into different categories, but there's usually a default label attached to each one, usually. If not, we could make a "????? Genre" forum. |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 370962)
not really sure what that means, but if you mean the specific genre lover wouldn't check out the General Movie Discussion forum is also ridiculous...it would be like someone going to blockbuster and not drifting between their genre sections
I really thought more people would have an open mind about this idea... There were posters in some of them that had never ever ventured out of their comfort zone in all the time I was there. Consequently, those places became so insular that they evolved/mutated into seperate communities of their own (and didn't welcome interlopers, heh). It's all very well having an open mind but mine tends to close when I've experienced exactly what you're proposing. ;) |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
well, I have a little time now to respond now, so I'm going try and get some of my thoughts down...
I understand your (Yoda and Tacitus) concerns with the development of segregation/cliques/grouping that may arise as a direct result of adding sub-genres, and my rebuttal is simple, these cliques are already present on this board and widespread in cinema/film in general...I know the former maybe hard to swallow for the vet's on this board but it is true...I know from being a newbie not too long ago anyway, I know you thoughts and intentions are good natured but I must say, just because a forum is of general discussion, it will not prevent any cliques from forming...Tacitus mentioned "comfort zones" and this is a key point...if someone ventures onto this board and can not immediately find a comfort zone, why would they stay?? he also mentioned one site had so many that it was overwhelming, but it does not need to be so divided...I'm not suggesting we make so many divisions that we end up with a crime-drama, a period-drama, and a docu-drama forum...but the main ones would be nice: drama, comedy, horror, sci-fi fantasy... |
Re: Some broader thoughts on the matter
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 370969)
If members here revealed that they wish to run a genre sub-forum, and have been actively holding back threads and posts because they didn't feel they had a place here, that'd be another story. I'm certainly open to sub-forums in that scenario. If this is the case, let me know.
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 371386)
well, I have a little time now to respond now, so I'm going try and get some of my thoughts down...
I understand your (Yoda and Tacitus) concerns with the development of segregation/cliques/grouping that may arise as a direct result of adding sub-genres, and my rebuttal is simple, these cliques are already present on this board and widespread in cinema/film in general...I know the former maybe hard to swallow for the vet's on this board but it is true...I know from being a newbie not too long ago
anyway, I know you thoughts and intentions are good natured but I must say, just because a forum is of general discussion, it will not prevent any cliques from forming...Tacitus mentioned "comfort zones" and this is a key point...if someone ventures onto this board and can not immediately find a comfort zone, why would they stay?? he also mentioned one site had so many that it was overwhelming, but it does not need to be so divided...I'm not suggesting we make so many divisions that we end up with a crime-drama, a period-drama, and a docu-drama forum...but the main ones would be nice: drama, comedy, horror, sci-fi fantasy...
The notion that people aren't posting things here because there isn't a forum dedicated is utter horseradish, too. There are very general forum topics here. If you're too timid to post your thread about bullet wounds in Tarantino films outside the Bullet Wounds In Tarantino Films Forum, then odds are you aren't going to post one anyway. |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Something like this only works with forums that have 15,000+ active members. We have no where near that and, as such, should not be done.
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 371386)
well, I have a little time now to respond now, so I'm going try and get some of my thoughts down...
I understand your (Yoda and Tacitus) concerns with the development of segregation/cliques/grouping that may arise as a direct result of adding sub-genres, and my rebuttal is simple, these cliques are already present on this board and widespread in cinema/film in general...I know the former maybe hard to swallow for the vet's on this board but it is true...I know from being a newbie not too long ago anyway, I know you thoughts and intentions are good natured but I must say, just because a forum is of general discussion, it will not prevent any cliques from forming...Tacitus mentioned "comfort zones" and this is a key point...if someone ventures onto this board and can not immediately find a comfort zone, why would they stay?? he also mentioned one site had so many that it was overwhelming, but it does not need to be so divided...I'm not suggesting we make so many divisions that we end up with a crime-drama, a period-drama, and a docu-drama forum...but the main ones would be nice: drama, comedy, horror, sci-fi fantasy... If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And this place ain't broke. ;) |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
lol...well...my only hope for this thread was to open a simple discussion about a simple idea...if I knew some people would be so defensive about the thought of change, so offensive for a debate, or so unreceptive, I wouldn't have posted anything
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 371433)
lol...well...my only hope for this thread was to open a simple discussion about a simple idea...if I knew some people would be so defensive about the thought of change, so offensive for a debate, or so unreceptive, I wouldn't have posted anything
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah (Post 371440)
It would have gone over better in a "Bad Ideas For Forum Improvement Forum". Pity.
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Hmmm, i've become quite curious to the idea now. Can't help thinking it would encourage more posting. Either way, i wouldn't say no to giving it a go, considering of late, i've not seen that many lively threads bar the Nolan v Fincher one where i actually got insulting for contributing.
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
C'mon, guys. Let's all chill.
I really don't think it was a terrible idea. It's the kind of thing that sounds like a great idea, but which doesn't work as well in practice, is all. Anyway, it's the thought that counts, and I appreciate the fact that you were thinking of how to improve the site, JB. Now, we're all gonna be little Fonzies, right? :D http://imagecache2.allposters.com/im.../039_13616.jpg |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by Pyro Tramp (Post 371449)
Either way, i wouldn't say no to giving it a go, considering of late, i've not seen that many lively threads bar the Nolan v Fincher one where i actually got insulting for contributing.
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 371451)
Ah, don't forget the Shakycam thread, where I got yelled at for being nauseous. :D
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 371450)
It's the kind of thing that sounds like a great idea, but which doesn't work as well in practice, is all.
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by SamsoniteDelilah (Post 371471)
He's determined to take things personally that weren't intended that way, and is now resorting to personal swipes in response. Just sayin'.
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 371481)
personally? how else am I supposed to take it? you turned a discussion into a direct attack...
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Woah peeps! What's with all da hate? :D
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Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 371481)
personally? how else am I supposed to take it? you turned a discussion into a direct attack...
I've said not a word about you. I've said only that I think your idea is a bad one, for the reasons given multiple times, above. If you can't post an idea without getting bent if people don't think it's a good idea, then you might want to take up softball or something, because this is where people post ideas and, quite often, others disagree. |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
Originally Posted by JBriscoe (Post 371433)
lol...well...my only hope for this thread was to open a simple discussion about a simple idea...if I knew some people would be so defensive about the thought of change, so offensive for a debate, or so unreceptive, I wouldn't have posted anything
If you still can't get it through your head that people said what they said from the point of view of experience (and not because they just want to start an argument for the hell of it) then I don't see the point in continuing this. See? I can take my ball home too! :D |
Re: Forums Separated By Genre?
I'm still for the 'Horror' genre to have an area of it's own. Personally, that is the one genre that has always seemed to stick out on it's own.
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