Who'd win: Darth Vader vs. Sauron
 

Okay, the facts...

Sauron
- Has the ring of power which gives himself great powers
- Has an army of orcs

Darth Vader
- Is incredibly strong in the Dark Side of the Force, which gives him great powers
- Has an army of cloned troopers

And since Middle Earth never had good enough technology, we'll forget the entire Death Star scenario.

True, many of you know me to be a Star Wars fan, and I'm sticking by that. I think that Vader who eventually take down Sauron, but it wouldn't be easy, don't get me wrong there. Sauron has that One Ring that enables him to do a lot of sweet things, but in the end I think that Vader would prevail with his amazing strength in the Force, and would choke Sauron or Force-throw his lightsaber at him and lop off the ring finger. But as I said, it wouldn't be easy.

Any one else think different?

I'd say Sauron wins. Don't get me wrong Darth is one strong mofo but Sauron has the ring and a huge arse army so he can do many wicked things. Ir would be a real tough fight I just see Sauron coming out on top in the end.

i say Vader because saurons army has arrows and swords but the clone army has blasters and that can easily take down the enemy

Remember the Battle of Endor and the Ewoks?

YES!!!!!!!!

Yeah, but the Ewoks had help from this guy:




And this guy:




And, of course, these guys:

Vader all the way!!!! Ol' ring wearing Sauron and his gang of Orcs are too weak for the man in black and entire Republic.

They're both dead. Everyone loses.

How do you see this?

Saron Baby he has THE ONE!!!!! plus he is a deceiver and darth vader is easily seduced by things so Sauron could easly win.

They both died at the end of their trilogies, making it impossible for them to ever meet on the battlefield.

If they both happened to come back from the dead, I'd bet all my cookies on Vader.

Vader isn't as easilly seduced as you think... he'd want that Ring as well as anyone else.

which makes him easily vulnerable to the whole point of the ring. the point of it is to Seduce peple until they crumble and die of there own seduction so for me That means that Sauron wins, but then again he was beaten by 3 foot tall hairy footed drunks.

Darth Vader would win. He would go into Mordor and start killing orcs. he is basically invinsible compared to anything Sauron can throw at him. He could force shove Saurons stuff into everything and then chop up Sauron piece by piece with his lightsaber and throw the ring into mount doom without even putting for any effort. Sauron's power is way to limited and Vader's power is limitless, the force is limitless. Brute force can be dealt with very easily.

Need I say more?

3 foot tall hairy footed drunks who got there fingers bitten off, necks bitten, and bodys plunged into lava who else does that happen to???????

Be sure to see Revenge of the Sith and you'll find out.

Exactly my point

Vader lived the first time he fell into the molten pit (Revenge of the Sith) and that was without any protection. I think that he might very well survive another lava fall, considering he'd be wearing armor.

Don't get me wrong; Vader is one bad ass mofo, but he got his ass beat by Mark Hamill for Christs sake. He aint making it.

yes but then he would breathe like he had run around the world and most likely would be DISABLED!!

Vader went soft on Luke... it was his son. And he probed Luke into making him use his hatred against him because he threatned to turn Leia to the dark side. He couldn't kill Luke, therefore he let his guard down on him. But as for Sauron, well, he isn't his son...

Not that simple. Though, if you want to try and make it that simple, Sauron got destroyed by a hobbit. A hobbit for Christs sake!

Maybe Sauron. Jsut make it rain.

Wow this is a hard one.

But I have to say Darth Vader all the way! (hey that rhymes)

Ignoring all the technology of the armies (as somebody said about the blasters vs. axes) I reckon Sauron would win because unlike vader we know very little about his combat ability, although there was that part where he sent about 15 men flying with a swing of his sword. Still he must be some kind of powerful dude to control the Nazgul and manipulate all those great armies to his twisted will eh? so after a brief struggle....Sauron Wins......flawless victory.... :p

Of course Sauron would win. I mean come on, that Vader guy got beat up by a farm boy. Also, one big giveaway here. Vader wears a helmet. He reminds me of that creepy kid in fifth grade that had to wear a helmet. I think his name was Craig. Vader didn't drool and clap as much as Craig, but I don't trust anyone in a helmet after meeting Craig. Damn, that weird hairy mole he had, and the way he rocked back and forth when the bell rang....

Yeah....Sauron would win.

i still say Vader. the ewokes might have beaten the storm troopers but the ewokes are really small and sneaky bastards orcs are bigger and fight in an organized army. so i say Saurons army will be destroyed then while Sauron is fighting off the clones vader will sneak attack him with his Saber.

OK Sauron isnt destroyed by just killing his physical form. The ring would afterwards have to be destroyed and Vader obviously would not destroy it. Vader would wither away into a gollum type creature and when sauron regained his physical form he would whoop vader. There it is end of story.

Why would Vader need the Ring? He's strong enough in the dark side of the Force as it is... I don't think the Ring would be needed for his own uses.

Did Frodo need the Ring??? NO but he still wanted it. People dont use the ring therefore they have no need for it, The Ring uses them

no Vader is too smart for that he will know that he didnt finish Sauron off so then he will destroy the ring with his light saber bam end of story

Well he wouldn't be able to destroy it with his saber, but yeah... I'm liking where you're headed with that response.

I still say Craig would win....

Well Craig, unfortunatley, is not an option but if he was I would go for craig. GO SOCIAL OUTCASTS!!!

i no they said that only throwing the ring in the lava at mt. doom will destroy it but they never saw the power of a light saber. i mean cmon what cant it destroy

The Ring obviously

Yeah, I have to go with Rico here. The saber wouldn't be able to destroy the ring, it'd probably just bounce right off of it. Nice try though... he could, however, pick up the ring with the saber turned on, and fling it into Mt. Doom like he was casting out a fishing line. :D

Ya he could....... If he had the will to destroy the ring which he dosent. But thanks for agreeing with me sorta

How can you know, let alone say that? And none of that "he's easilly persuaded" crap... I know Vader better then you do, and I'm quite assured that he wouldn't keep the Ring. The Force is too wise for them to do that. If you think about it, this really isn't a battle between two physical forms... it all comes down to the Force vs. The One Ring, and who'd prevail at the end.

This thread is fun. Adding to my post before concerning this whole "would vader keep the ring idea?". Firstly he wouldn't know it was dangerous and wasn't Vader/anakin the one with all the fear and hate (random yoda quote "fear leads to anger, anger to hate, hate leads to suffering") so why do you think he wouldn't be tempted by the ring Moviemaker. Just because he's smart doesn't mean he wouldn't try to take the ring for himself, because after all how could he know how much we know about this nasty little ring mmm?

Darth Vader would win by a landslide.....He has far more superior technology than Sauron and his "middle ages" technology. Sure, maybe he has magical powers, but Vader has the force(which I would consider cool magic)
Also.....looking at the Battle of Endor with the Ewoks.....the ewoks were smart, and organized and they had everything sketched out. The storm troopers were surprised from the sudden invasion. With Sauron's army....his orcs are slow and dumb. They also have arrows, and clubs which are going against......rifles and a lightsaber.

Darth Vader in the end.

Hmmm, a lot of interesting responses in this thread. Now there could be a different victor for different circumstances.

What if they were to fight without weapons? (the ring is classed as a weapon)
What if they were to fight with weapons?
The surroundings would affect the fight
What if they were to fight alongside their armies?
What if it was a range fight?

There are too many possibilities to even try and declare a victor in my opinion, and also the characters aren't even from the same time period so the technological advances would be a clear advantage.

And people just keep forgetting the Craig factor, people in helmets can only clap and drool, and ride the short bus. Vader wears a helmet. Sauron has long hair, so he would have the hippy brigade along with him, and would be forced into a non-violent solution, such as throwing a big love-in for Vader, to try and cheer him up, and get him to stop wearing all that grim black all the time, a sure sign of deep depression. Also, I notice Vader spends a lot of time alone, in that little meditation chamber of his. Depressed people like to be alone. Sayyyyyyyy, that old man who hangs out with vader....Why does he dress Vader in that weird black leather suit, ala The Gimp, from Pulp Fiction? Didn't the emporer put vader in black leather when he was still a kid? Yuk. Now that is weird. So, am I to understand that exploiting handicapped children leads to ultimate power? That is the story the emporer is trying to sell anyway. That creepy kid in the helmet bought it, I'm not going to.

I say the battle takes place in Mordor, with Vader and Stormtroopers vs. Sauron and the Orcs.

And I say Weapons are aloud becasue if they werent Sauron would be the clear victor against an old man with bad asthma. Armies are also aloud ( Saurons is much bigger but less technologically advanced)

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No way Sauron's army is bigger!! It takes a whole battlestar to hold all Vader's troops...and who says they aren't making more wehn the three movies are in progress?? Anyways, i just wanted to say, that sauron's is not bigger, they're probably equal in size. but yes, saurons is really less technologically advanced than vaders which is puts them at a disadvantage.

well, then what if there weren't any weapons?? vader would still have his wicked force powers against sauron. Last time i checked, sauron only got his power from the RING(which is a weapon). so check your books again dude.....Vader would beat Sauron anytime without weapons...

Im Sorry DUDE Saurons powers did not all derive from the ring, If you read all the books concerning Lord of the Rings you would know that Sauron was a servant of the first Darklord and surpassed his master in skill and Magic. How do you think he made the ring of POWER if he isnt Powerfull himself??

Oh wait, you guys are talking about Sauron here? Not Saurumon? You are talking abotu an all powerful demon or dark lord or something vs a villain that wasn just a general to the guy with the real power, the emporer. Now, what about the whole, "No man can kill me" that the witch king used as his defense? Does this also apply to Sauron? If that is the case, Vader looses to a technicality.

Re: Stormtroopers - I had assumed that being the massive Star Wars fans that you folks are, you would have read the Heir to the Empire series of Star Wars books, that cover the years following Return of the Jedi. These books were licensed out by Lucas to Tim Zahn, and are supposed to be the "official" events that transpire after the original films. The stormtroopers are all clones, and the clones had a flaw. They were almost human, but a vast majority of them were pretty damn stupid, so we find out that the emporer had to exercise a fair amount of control over the clones using the force, to keep them focused on running all the star destroyers, etc. Now, as soon as the emporer is tossed over the railing, The super star destroyer "Avenger" takes a nose dive into the death star II. They explain these events in the later books as all the clones suddenly losing their cohesive instruction and just sort of going haywire. My whole point is Vader couldn't have any stormtroopers with him if the Emporer wasn't there to control all the clones. Vader just didn't have the power to control the stormtroopers, as he was far weaker than the emporer (all powerful people don't go around kneeling to emporers). Vader was sort of weak in comparison, and like I said before, a damn farmboy beat Vader down. Alas, I am still with Craig winning this.


hat reminds me, could a mod please change the title of this thread to "Sauron vs Darth Vader vs Craig, the creepy kid from 5th grade"?

wait wait wait i feel stupid asking this but which one is Sauron? is the eye or the old white beard guy? i have been thinking it wasn't the eye

Sauron would own Vader.

I think Darth Vader would win.

So Yoda was an all powerful 7 foot monster like Vader, got a hold of the ring and it withered him down to what he is now? Only it didnt drive him crazy, only made him more wise and powerful, and eventually resisted the ring, yet kept his gollum like form? -this has gotten way out of hand.

Well, interesting points, but it would all depend on where they are in their fighting era. Is Sauron a huge ass eye on the top of a tower? Has Vader fought Luke? Is Sauron in prime physical form? Is Vader top notch? All interesting questions that in the end finally play into the result. If Sauron would be in his physical form, Vader and him would most likely fight one-on-one whereas Sauron has a sword, and the ring powers, and Vader has his lightsaber, and his "force." Sauron would crumble under Vader in this match-up. If Sauron was in his eye form he would be atop of his tower5 calling the shots to the orcs, while the stormtroopers would fail miserably under the powers of the dark side of middle earth. So, all in all, it would only depend on the fighting eras the fightees would be in.

Ok Sauron is looking everywhere with the eye, but that's not what he looks like, do you remember in the first one where the king of men cuts the ring off the big black-clad dude, that was Sauron (you don't really see him much). The old white beard guy is Saruman and he was a good wizard turned bad, get the picture Taxi Driver? :)

Come on, there is no way :nope: that the orcs would defeat the Darth Vader's stormtroopers. The orcs have medieval weapons and the stormtroopers have futuristic weapons. It's not even a contest its simple humiliation because the troopers would easily overpower and kill the orcs. :yup:

Not if Mumakills ( the big elephants ) Balrogs, Trolls, wargs, Urukhai, Easterlings (Evil Men) Haradrim (another race of evil men) and Sheloob were involved.

No way, it's still futuristic technology vs. archaic warfare. The is no way Sauron's army could win.

I really think its just down to opinions which all of ours are biased. You either like Star Wars or you like Lord of the Rings, two different movies taking place in different time periods so they cant really be compared. But its fun to do it isnt it?

I love both movies but I'm an even bigger Star Wars fan. :D

I like Star Wars.............. Just not as Much as LORD OF THE RINGS!!!!!!!! But i think they are two GREAT series of movies, but in my honest opinion no biased, if Sauron and vader were to fight Sauron without the ring, vader would win its inevitable but if the Ring was included Vader would be down.

Strange opponents… the Dark Lord of Mordor who was seduced by the very first manifestation of evil… or… the Dark Lord of Sith who was seduced by the dark side of the force… evil against evil... but which would win... hmmm...

I think it's pretty obvious that the real battle would have to be between Darth Vader and Jesus.

HAHAHAHAHAHA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think that I would go for Jesus on that one.

Nitzer, just try to stay on the same subject. thanks. Vader all the way still.

Vader by armbar

sauron for sure...but i'm sure that gandalf and/or yoda would definitely take care of the clean up

Craig

who cares, my god

I don't know...

...futuristic weapons only benefit you if you can hit something with them. Have you seen Stormtroopers in battle? Not to mention, Stormtrooper armor (if you haven't noticed) doesn't really seem to stop anything. :laugh:

Ewoks.

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As for the question at hand, I'll only say this: Sauron was beaten by the lucky swing of a guy laying on the ground holding a broken sword. :rolleyes:

Your really rootin' for this guy arent ya? But anyways Sauron was only beaten by luck, so I still say Sauron. But wouldnt a battle between everything in both worlds be KICK ASS?

like i said befor the storm troopers could easily defeat the orcs. there armor would make it harder for them to die and the reason the ewoks beat them is because they are small they blend in with the forest and they new their surrondings. the orcs fight in an organized army in a straight line and just charge at their enemy. few blasters could easily take them out

My point concerning the armor was that, if you watch the films, it doesn't seem to protect against anything. They get shot, they go down. They get bludgeoned, they go down. Not very effective, if you ask me.

Now, assuming there are more existing Stormtroopers than what we see in the films, I'm not sure the lot of them could still match Orc numbers. It evens out, as you say, given that Stormtroopers have blaster rifles. But again, the Stormtroopers in the films rarely actually hit anything with them. That said, those bumbling Stormtroopers (who really don't use much of anything in the way of tactics, I might add) would still struggle - and possibly lose - to a much larger and much more effective Orc army.

This deviates from the original question at hand, I think - and even that question was ridiculous in the first place. This is all just conjecture, but it's fun to argue (or else I wouldn't even bother).

their armor may be weak but i think an arrow could not break through it so the storm troopers would have the advantage until the orcs get close.

Surely Vader could send for some tie bombers, or maybe just pummel the planet from space with star destroyers.

Anyway, even if storm troopers can't fire straight they can still aim at a mass of orcs. Chances are if you've got thousands of stormtroopers firing at once you'd still anhialate the orcs in large numbers.


We really are going too deep into this...

If Frodo can kill an orc with his little hobbit arms, then my bet is Vader can slice through all of Mordor with his Light Sabre ^.^

One on One, Sauron would win... army to army, Vader

Disagreed, for the very same reason I posted a few days ago.

"Don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side!"

Ugh, I can't believe I just used that quote... :p

jeez i sound like a nerd saying this, If anyone has read the Silmarillion they would know that Sauron is pretty much a god. he can take any form because of his spirit. All vader can do is choke people.

sauron

Guys guys, I have it figured out. Darth Vader would own Sauron, but of course he'd want to become EVEN more powerful so he would out the ring on himself and become Dark Lord Vader.

A god like being would kill mortal vader quite easily.

Of course Vader would have to wait for Sauron to become corporeal before using the Force Death Grip but they would probably end up teaming up together and kicking everyones ass in middle earth and deep space.

One Ring and The Dark Side of the Force could be quite a scary thing.

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I do believe in Sauron's victory.
Starting from this:
Dartyh Vader is extremely powerfull, he has a light saber and the control of the Force, but Sauron is a Maiar, an spiritual creature and for common sence, he is above the force. Even if the lightsaber can cut Sauron's Armour it would not care because a lightsaber is not Narsil. If the lightsaber breaks the armour Sauron would take another shape and would destroy Darth vader. Now the Sauron shown in the movie is the weakest, because the sauron before being brought to Númenor was by far much more powerful, that Sauron (Lord of Lycan) wouldn't need the ring to kill Vaderl, but the one shown in the movie, would.

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Very impressive. You speak Swaheli just like a native.

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Sauron(the yellow green) for sure!!! If the battle is Sitheus and Darth Vader versus Sauron, it might be a 50-50 battle!!!...anyway it just me....

And by the way Cousin Avi, you're so mean...hehehe :D

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Darth Vader is very adept at channeling the power of the Dark Side of the Force. That's mighty impressive to be sure. But Sauron is the Dark Side of the Force. Vader would certainly make a pretty formidable Ring Wraith. In fact he strikes me as the sort of fellow who would have accepted one of the Nine Rings. But this is really no contest- you can't destroy the master's house with the master's tools. Even if Vader got hold of the One Ring, he'd basically become the new Sauron. You can't beat the devil in a fist fight. And Mr. Tends-to-be-corrupted-by-dark-power would most certainly not have what it takes to destroy the Ring.

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Well, all that may be true in the context of TLotR, but what if you turn around and put Sauron in the Star Wars universe? He might end up being someone along the lines of the Emperor, and we all know who beat him...

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In the Star Wars universe, Sauron would basically be the personification of the Dark Side. The Emperor is not a god, so I don't see the parallel there at all. Sauron had a number of emperors as his pawns.
Though Star Wars seems to take place in a sort of a spiritual-atheistic universe, it would cease to be such upon the arrival of a bona-fide god like our good fiend Sauron. In fact Sauron would likely be strengthened rather then weakened in the SW universe as he would have no divine competition there.

Now if you're saying that Vader might stand a chance against Sauron if Sauron wasn't a god, then you might as well say your average orc could whoop Vader's ass if Vader was a housecat.

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No, I just wanted to see what kinda BS you came up with. :cool:

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I think Darth would win, he'd just park up his death star in Middle Earth orbit and destroy the entire planet. Plus he dresses in black and therefore looks a lot cooler:D.

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Bye Bye Sore bum or whatever your name is.

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For: Darth Vader
Winner: Sauron

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i say vader would win for one simple fact...LOTR sucks, and sauron is weak in comparison to vader...not to mention, i agree with the earlier stated fact that without the help of han and chewie and all the other rebels, the ewoks wouldn't have lasted more than a few minutes...so, rebels aside, vader and the empire own all...

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...which would not actually destroy Sauron as Sauron is not tied to his corporal form. Sauron would then just wait for Vader to die of old age and would thus win by default:p

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You guys are actually debating this, way too funny. Of course it'd be Vader though, since they are both dead but Vader has the infinite power of the force on his side.

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I feel tested. ;)

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well technantly sauron isnt dead since he is immortal...hes just in the void. besides there are other books and movies other than the lords of the rings.if you knew more you would fine out my sauron is actually a good who help created middle earth . besides sauron has back up from his master ..morgoth whos bigger and stronger and even more powerful.if he wanted to sauron can make a hole under vaders feet and seal it up. if vader escapes he can send vader to the void. if he somehow escape which you cant unless you remove the void which you cant but if he does escape vader will die of old age or just a massive super mace to the skull.and if your thinking how would souron escape from the void hed just get one of his minions to forge a new ring pour all the power from the ring into his soul and destroy the ring.dont forget the balrog .. he can ressurect every single last one. who will win an army of giant winged fire demons with a double fflame whip and flaming sword vs clones and dont forget dragons he could get those to . and technantly hes untouchable since he isnt exactly corpereal . plus he can give all the clones rings of powers(not the one ring just normal ones) and make them in nazgul.