Movie Forums (http://www.movieforums.com/community/index.php)
-   General Movie Discussion (http://www.movieforums.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Movies that are just over hyped. (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=61578)

Thunderbolt 05-21-20 05:43 AM

Movies that are just over hyped.
 
Which movies do many people rate highly which you just couldn't stand?

Chypmunk 05-21-20 05:54 AM

Not an uncommon topic on here - you might be interested in this thread which is along similar lines.

Citizen Rules 05-21-20 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt (Post 2093050)
Which movies do many people rate highly which you just couldn't stand?
I don't know, hmm let's see...which movies do you rate highly?:p

hell_storm2004 05-21-20 01:23 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
Yeah there was another thread about the same topic.

But mentioning mine here again... Star Wars, Marvel/DC stuff etc etc.

Olivier Parent 05-21-20 01:51 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
Parasite is an excellent movie but it was clearly over hyped the proof is that the guy was famous among cinephile for almost 20 years and suddenly with one movie that is not necessarly is best is knnown by everyone. And not everyone has even seen the film

Gideon58 05-21-20 05:06 PM

Personally, I don't feel Parasite was overrated at all.

hell_storm2004 05-21-20 05:35 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
^^Yup. It hit the sweet spot!

AgrippinaX 05-21-20 05:49 PM

Second that. I thought it was brilliant.

skizzerflake 05-21-20 06:26 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
I'll go with Citizen Kane. It generally seems to be near or at the top of lots of "greatest ever" movies, but, I have to admit that I thought it was "pretty good", no where near my greatest. Part of it was how I also thought that Orson Welles was an overblown Hodgepile more than a genius.

Olivier Parent 05-21-20 07:27 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
I am not saying that parasite is bad im only saying it's over HYPED not over RATED. The guy has made brilliant movies for 20 years without even being nominated in cannes. Then suddenly it's like people compensated the 20 years of sleeping on him with the hype of parasite.

GulfportDoc 05-21-20 08:14 PM

The recent stand out to me was Joker. It was a good film, not a great film, with a great performance by Phoenix. But it was so over hyped, it would be almost impossible for the movie to be as towering as the hype.

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was also insanely hyped. I really liked the movie, but I had my suspicious doubts due to the over publicity.

Thunderbolt 05-22-20 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2093129)
I don't know, hmm let's see...which movies do you rate highly?:p

Check out my profile. :D

hell_storm2004 05-22-20 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Olivier Parent (Post 2093265)
I am not saying that parasite is bad im only saying it's over HYPED not over RATED. The guy has made brilliant movies for 20 years without even being nominated in cannes. Then suddenly it's like people compensated the 20 years of sleeping on him with the hype of parasite.

Welcome to showbiz! Every dog has its day. He has been a fine director over the years. Let him get hype he deserves whether it's via Parasite or some other means. Okja was in Cannes. Didn't win. Parasite did. And let's face it, Okja is just "very good". 20 years is little time in the movie industry. Many directors go through a lifetime without winning any. Scorsese got an award when all his hair was white. At least Ho got one before hehhad to dye his hair!

Citizen Rules 05-22-20 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt (Post 2093359)
Check out my profile. :D
Nice choices! And not a single over hyped movie! Glad to see a couple of Bogart films in there.

Gideon58 05-22-20 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by skizzerflake (Post 2093253)
I'll go with Citizen Kane. It generally seems to be near or at the top of lots of "greatest ever" movies, but, I have to admit that I thought it was "pretty good", no where near my greatest. Part of it was how I also thought that Orson Welles was an overblown Hodgepile more than a genius.

I've never even seen Citizen Kane and never had any desire to.

Citizen Rules 05-22-20 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Gideon58 (Post 2093393)
I've never even seen Citizen Kane and never had any desire to.
:(

Gideon58 05-22-20 11:48 AM

I know Citizen, I was hoping you might not see this post, but it's true.

Citizen Rules 05-22-20 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Gideon58 (Post 2093403)
I know Citizen, I was hoping you might not see this post, but it's true.
You really should check it out sometime, you watch a lot of movies so if you don't like it, it will be just another movie you didn't care for. You liked The Assassination of Jesse James, Parasite & Ad Astra... which are a western, a foreign and a sci fi (stuff you normally don't like)...so who know you might end up liking Citizen Kane:)

Gideon58 05-22-20 11:56 AM

I will check it out someday, Citizen, I poromise.

skizzerflake 05-22-20 02:59 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
Originally Posted by Gideon58 (Post 2093393)
I've never even seen Citizen Kane and never had any desire to.
Definitely see Citizen Kane. It's such an icon that numerous Hollywood cinematic devices were copied from it. It's also one of those Film 101 movies that you missed if you didn't take a college film course. In my case, something similar was Birth of a Nation (the old one), a movie that one needs to see for the sake of cinematic literacy. The content is reprehensible, but much of what Griffith did nearly defined what we see as a movie today. Not seeing Citizen Kane is somewhat like being an English Lit major who didn't read any Shakespeare.

Iroquois 05-22-20 03:03 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
The Birth of a Nation would probably be a good pick for an over-hyped film anyway.

aronisred 05-22-20 04:08 PM

All of Paul Thomas anderson movies. Even Coen brothers/Wes anderson movies I can understand the hype but PTA movies are just overrated.

Overrated movies tend to be from filmmakers who started out as indie darlings and grew into Hollywood...they tend to have a lifetime pass from a lot of critics as long as they stay in their weird little indie style.

hell_storm2004 05-22-20 04:18 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
Citizen Kane is probably a lesson for a lot of directors at the time for set design, cinematography and the likes. The movie had a slow, meandering plot. But the story is little bit more nuanced than that. It was a satire and it was done really nicely. I am not in awe of the movie, but I do like it a lot.

hell_storm2004 05-22-20 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 2093496)
The Birth of a Nation would probably be a good pick for an over-hyped film anyway.
Yeah. It was probably "THE" benchmark. But I think it has lost its place due to changing times. I don't think anyone now considers it to be something amazing!

ironpony 05-22-20 06:02 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
Pulp Fiction. Saw it later on. It's good but do not get why it's so great or one of the best.

A Clockword Orange. I really didn't think much of this movie and felt it really went downhill in the last half, but do not see what others saw in it.

skizzerflake 05-22-20 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by hell_storm2004 (Post 2093542)
Yeah. It was probably "THE" benchmark. But I think it has lost its place due to changing times. I don't think anyone now considers it to be something amazing!
In today's world, BOAN doesn't work well for a lot of reasons, the worst of which is its horrific racism, but what they did do was make a long movie rather than a one-reeler, have a large cast, large sets, dolly shots, action shots, horse back chases, multiple camera angles, editing, etc. I've seen it end to end, mainly so I could say that I've seen it and appreciate its technical advances, but yeah, it's a dose, even in 1915. Griffith, stung by criticism about a level of racism that was seen as extreme even at that apex of the Klan, set about a bigger project, Intolerance, which was supposed to put him back in good grace. I've seen some of that and it was grandiose beyond anything in its era. I have heard that the sets were sitting in a warehouse for decades and were re-used in a bunch ancient world epics.

Captain Steel 05-23-20 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2093409)
You really should check it out sometime, you watch a lot of movies so if you don't like it, it will be just another movie you didn't care for. You liked The Assassination of Jesse James, Parasite & Ad Astra... which are a western, a foreign and a sci fi (stuff you normally don't like)...so who know you might end up liking Citizen Kane:)
Rules - you've been Orson to me for so long that when I see that photo of Dan Duryea, I keep thinking it's a photo of young Orson from some western I never heard of. ;)
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but Orson never made a western, did he?)

I'm gonna put up Casablanca (1942) for this thread as I heard of it my whole life (as one of the greatest films ever) then watched it for the first and only time maybe 10 years ago - it wasn't bad, but it just didn't leave an impression on me (mostly because I was expecting something so much more spectacular). Maybe I'm due for a re-watch.

Citizen Rules 05-23-20 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 2093623)
Rules - you've been Orson to me for so long that when I see that photo of Dan Duryea, I keep thinking it's a photo of young Orson from some western I never heard of. ;)
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but Orson never made a western, did he?)
Ha, nope he never made a western, but if he did it would've been one helluva film:p

I'm gonna put up Casablanca (1942) for this thread as I heard of it my whole life (as one of the greatest films ever) then watched it for the first and only time maybe 10 years ago - it wasn't bad, but it just didn't leave an impression on me (mostly because I was expecting something so much more spectacular). Maybe I'm due for a re-watch.
I actually had the same experience. The first time I seen Casablanca I thought to myself, 'that was it?' I liked it OK, but I guess I was expecting something else or something more. But now that I've seen it a couple more times I can see a lot of depth to the performances, especially Bogart's, and I hadn't seen that before. My review of Casablanca

gbgoodies 05-23-20 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 2093623)
Rules - you've been Orson to me for so long that when I see that photo of Dan Duryea, I keep thinking it's a photo of young Orson from some western I never heard of. ;)
I'm starting to get used to it, probably just in time for it to be changed back to Orson again.


Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 2093623)
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but Orson never made a western, did he?)
Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2093625)
Ha, nope he never made a western, but if he did it would've been one helluva film:p
Actually, I found one western movie with Orson Welles that I watched for the countdown. Man in the Shadow (1957). He didn't direct it, but he was one of the stars. (Maybe if he had directed it, it would have been a better movie.

Citizen Rules 05-23-20 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by gbgoodies (Post 2093631)
I'm starting to get used to it, probably just in time for it to be changed back to Orson again.
I'm not sure if I will ever change it back to Orson. I got the feeling people thought of me as the old Orson and that's not me! not at all. Though I don't look like Dan Duryea I can relate to him. In real life he was an all around nice guy, devoted family man and all that good stuff! But who knows I might have to go with Alex Baldwin next:eek:


Actually, I found one western movie with Orson Welles that I watched for the countdown. Man in the Shadow (1957). He didn't direct it, but he was one of the stars. (Maybe if he had directed it, it would have been a better movie.
I've not seen that one though I do want to watch Support Your Local Sheriff.

gbgoodies 05-23-20 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2093634)
I'm not sure if I will ever change it back to Orson. I got the feeling people thought of me as the old Orson and that's not me! not at all. Though I don't look like Dan Duryea I can relate to him. In real life he was an all around nice guy, devoted family man and all that good stuff! But who knows I might have to go with Alex Baldwin next:eek:
Please don't change it to Alex Baldwin. I find him very annoying in almost everything he's in, (with 1 or 2 exceptions).


Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2093634)
I've not seen that one though I do want to watch Support Your Local Sheriff.
Support Your Local Sheriff. is a much better movie. Don't waste your time with Man in the Shadow unless you just want to see it for Orson.

Iroquois 05-23-20 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by hell_storm2004 (Post 2093542)
Yeah. It was probably "THE" benchmark. But I think it has lost its place due to changing times. I don't think anyone now considers it to be something amazing!
There is a user on here who lists it as his #1 movie.

hell_storm2004 05-23-20 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 2093651)
There is a user on here who lists it as his #1 movie.
Wow! Is it??!!!! That is a surprise.

hell_storm2004 05-23-20 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by skizzerflake (Post 2093619)
In today's world, BOAN doesn't work well for a lot of reasons, the worst of which is its horrific racism, but what they did do was make a long movie rather than a one-reeler, have a large cast, large sets, dolly shots, action shots, horse back chases, multiple camera angles, editing, etc. I've seen it end to end, mainly so I could say that I've seen it and appreciate its technical advances, but yeah, it's a dose, even in 1915. Griffith, stung by criticism about a level of racism that was seen as extreme even at that apex of the Klan, set about a bigger project, Intolerance, which was supposed to put him back in good grace. I've seen some of that and it was grandiose beyond anything in its era. I have heard that the sets were sitting in a warehouse for decades and were re-used in a bunch ancient world epics.
I watched it for the same reason. Just to see the technical stuff involved in the 1910s. In that regard it doesn't disappoint. But the obvious racism, becomes vomit inducing and a pain to sit through!

Iroquois 05-23-20 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by hell_storm2004 (Post 2093656)
Wow! Is it??!!!! That is a surprise.
Considering which user it is, not really.

AgrippinaX 05-23-20 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2093625)
Ha, nope he never made a western, but if he did it would've been one helluva film:p

I actually had the same experience. The first time I seen Casablanca I thought to myself, 'that was it?' I liked it OK, but I guess I was expecting something else or something more. But now that I've seen it a couple more times I can see a lot of depth to the performances, especially Bogart's, and I hadn't seen that before. My review of Casablanca
‘Casablanca’ is great at building up the atmosphere of nostalgia, it’s a postmodern film from before postmodernism began. But I think quite a few people find it underwhelming the first time around. That’s part of the problem: when something is a classic, your expectation builds up from every raving review out there, and in the end, it doesn’t live up to the hype. It’s probably ideal to come into these films knowing nothing, but that’s not possible, is it?

hell_storm2004 05-23-20 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 2093679)
Considering which user it is, not really.

I am not asking you to name drop! But I will leave it there! But now I will probably have to check everybody's favourite list! :)

Tugg 05-23-20 11:18 AM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
White is superior.

skizzerflake 05-23-20 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by AgrippinaX (Post 2093686)
‘Casablanca’ is great at building up the atmosphere of nostalgia, it’s a postmodern film from before postmodernism began. But I think quite a few people find it underwhelming the first time around. That’s part of the problem: when something is a classic, your expectation builds up from every raving review out there, and in the end, it doesn’t live up to the hype. It’s probably ideal to come into these films knowing nothing, but that’s not possible, is it?
Casablanca looks nostalgic today because its look has been copied so many times and because it's Time Past now, but when it was made in 1942, it was the present and fictionalized a moment in time that nobody alive then would ever forget. Anybody in my older generation family who had been an adult at that time had some sort of story parallel to that, a moment in time when the world changed and personal life was overtaken by events. Casablanca was light on horrific details because audiences were confronted on a daily basis by reality and wanted some sort of escape that was personal, romantic but not graphic. I can easily imagine a plot line from some peripheral spin-off stories of the refugees who occupy the background in the plot line.

Tugg 05-23-20 11:59 AM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
When blood was being let in the East, West was nearly a spectator.

GulfportDoc 05-23-20 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by skizzerflake (Post 2093708)
Casablanca looks nostalgic today because its look has been copied so many times and because it's Time Past now, but when it was made in 1942, it was the present and fictionalized a moment in time that nobody alive then would ever forget. Anybody in my older generation family who had been an adult at that time had some sort of story parallel to that, a moment in time when the world changed and personal life was overtaken by events. Casablanca was light on horrific details because audiences were confronted on a daily basis by reality and wanted some sort of escape that was personal, romantic but not graphic. I can easily imagine a plot line from some peripheral spin-off stories of the refugees who occupy the background in the plot line.
That's a very intuitive and thoughtful post. Casablanca is a classic of patriotism, lost love, altruism, and clever humor-- qualities that are in relatively short supply in modern times.

There is a tendency to gauge old movies through the lens of today's fashion and mores. Using that yardstick most older films are going to seem a little silly, irrespective of the high quality that went into many of them.

Imagine if audiences from prior eras were somehow able to see the films being made today. I think they'd be confused and often repulsed.

Personally when I look at truly old films, e.g. the silent films and the earlier talkies, I try to consider the techniques and artistry of the time. Sometimes there were subjects and opinions presented by the filmmakers that went against my own beliefs, just as there are today, but I try to put those aside so as to appreciate the film in its totality. But Casablanca is not one of those. I enjoy every minute of it...;)

hell_storm2004 05-23-20 02:27 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
I remember Casablanca fondly because of its subtle humour. A dialogue here, a dialogue there! I still think it's one of the best romantic movie ever made. And I am not even a fan of the genre!

Bretfromhope 05-23-20 03:44 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
Anything that starts with "50 Shades . . ."

hell_storm2004 05-23-20 04:23 PM

Re: Movies that are just over hyped.
 
Are they over-hyped? They are ridiculed across the board!


All times are GMT -3. The time now is 01:47 AM.

Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright, ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © Movie Forums