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iluv2viddyfilms 11-30-22 04:42 AM

Sight and Sound 2022 poll... your list and predictions?
 
I apologize if this topic/question has been posted elsewhere ir is in the wrong forum, I did search and didn't see anything. I've always enjoyed the BFI/Sight and Sound once every decade... 1952...1982, 1992, 2002, 2012, and soon to be announced 2022 rankings of the top 100 films as polled by major film critics and directors and as usual these lists are subjective and even arbitrary (to what extent does each individual distinguish and weigh that which they perceive as universally great against a personal bias of favoritism?).

Anyway, I would easily make a case for Citizen Kane being number one, especially over Vertigo - which itself would not even be in my top three Alfred Hitchcock films. Very, VERY cool to see John Ford's The Searchers in the 2012 top 10 and hope to see it in this decade's top 10 poll - it being a film I've showed many times over the years when teaching and is almost entirely universally loved across the generations and spans of time, even if the humor and some of the acting is dated. We will see what this years' 2022 once in a decade poll brings on Thursday... anywho...

... as for my 10 votes if I were to sit at the table:

Red River (1948, Howard Hawks)
Taxi Driver (1976, Martin Scorsese)
Aguirre the Wrath of God (1972, Werner Herzog)
Barry Lyndon (1975, Stanley Kubrick)
In a Lonely Place (1950, Nicholas Ray)
Amelie (2001, Jean-Pierre Jeunet)
North by Northwest (1959, Alfred Hitchcock)
Apocalypse Now (1979, Francis Ford Coppola)
Breathless (1960, Jean Luc Godard)
Chimes at Midnight (1965, Orson Welles)*

* New to my list for this decade, nudging out... just barely My Own Private Idaho (1991, Gus Vant Sant) which is largely a retelling in modern times of the Orson Welles picture (itself a marvelous interpretation and conglameration of Shakespeare’s Henry plays), but as innovative, daring, beautifully shot, creative, and emotionally devastating as My Own Private Idaho is, I think Welles' film edges it out in all of the aforementioned descriptors, but certainly it wins in influence and timelessness AND if anything over the past 10 years my appreciation for Welles and his uncompromising loyalty to his artistic principles and values, at great sacrifice to his career and his personal finances has only increased (very, very few people have the courage to stay true to their conviction beyond "suspiration of forced breath.") So there you have it... AND...

... for the film geeks in the room... any and all of us here, what would make your top 10?

Daniel M 11-30-22 05:38 AM

Re: Sight and Sound 2022 poll... your list and predictions?
 
Nice thread and I can't wait to see the full list. Once it's revealed I'll try and work my way through any remaining top films that I haven't seen.

Here's my top ten if I was asked...



So I have no problem with Kane or Vertigo taking the top spot. For Ford I was torn between Stagecoach and The Searchers. My last spot was between Greed, Intolerance or Sunrise, or maybe a Keaton or Chaplin. So hard cutting it down to a top ten.

I wonder if the recent passing of Jean-Luc Godard will see one of his films finish high up, most like Breathless, for its importance in film history.

ScarletLion 11-30-22 05:43 AM

Re: Sight and Sound 2022 poll... your list and predictions?
 
Very hard to do, it changes every week! But something like this:

1. Metropolis
2. Citizen Kane
3. Come and See
4. The Night of the Hunter
5. Persona
6. Seven Samurai
7. The Passion of Joan of Arc
8. 2001: A Space Odyssey
9. I am Cuba
10. Casablanca

John-Connor 11-30-22 07:55 AM

The list I would submit if I were to sit at the table:

The Godfather 1972 Francis Ford Coppola
The Godfather: Part II 1974 Francis Ford Coppola
Lawrence of Arabia 1962 David Lean
Once Upon a Time in the West 1968 Sergio Leone
Star Wars 1977 George Lucas
War and Peace 1965 Sergey Bondarchuk
Throne of Blood 1957 Akira Kurosawa
Casablanca 1942 Michael Curtiz
Rebecca 1940 Alfred Hitchcock
Raiders of the Lost Ark 1981 Steven Spielberg

SpelingError 11-30-22 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by John-Connor (Post 2349506)
The list I would submit if I were to sit at the table:

The Godfather 1972 Francis Ford Coppola
The Godfather: Part II 1974 Francis Ford Coppola
Lawrence of Arabia 1962 David Lean
Once Upon a Time in the West 1968 Sergio Leone
Star Wars 1977 George Lucas
War and Peace 1965 Sergey Bondarchuk
Throne of Blood 1957 Akira Kurosawa
Casablanca 1942 Michael Curtiz
Rebecca 1940 Alfred Hitchcock
Raiders of the Lost Ark 1981 Steven Spielberg
Aw, no pornos?

Torgo 11-30-22 11:09 AM

It's kind of predictable, but here goes anyway:

2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 2001)
Metropolis (Lang, 1968)
Persona (Bergman, 1967)
The Cranes are Flying (Kalatozov, 1960)
Ambulance (Bay, 2022)
Come and See (Klimov, 1985)
The Battle of Algiers (Pontecorvo, 1967)
Rear Window (Hitchcock, 1965)
Night and Fog (1956, Resnais)
Ikiru (Kurosawa, 1952)

John-Connor 11-30-22 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2349534)
Aw, no pornos?
https://media.tenor.com/jmYGxzxLqGMA...ever-shrug.gif

Rockatansky 11-30-22 11:15 AM

I understand they greatly expanded the list of eligible critics this time around, so curious to see how that affects the list.

Rockatansky 11-30-22 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2349534)
Aw, no pornos?
One critic voted for both The Opening of Misty Beethoven and The Devil in Miss Jones in the 2002 poll.

SpelingError 11-30-22 11:28 AM

Re: Sight and Sound 2022 poll... your list and predictions?
 
I don't know about best movies ever made, but here's my current top 10:

Stalker
2001: A Space Odyssey
Eraserhead
The Tree of Life
Late Spring
Persona
Vertigo
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly
Double Indemnity
A Moment of Innocence

ScarletLion 11-30-22 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2349541)
It's kind of predictable, but here goes anyway:

2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 2001)
Metropolis (Lang, 1968)
Persona (Bergman, 1967)
The Cranes are Flying (Kalatozov, 1960)
Ambulance (Bay, 2022)
Come and See (Klimov, 1985)
The Battle of Algiers (Pontecorvo, 1967)
Rear Window (Hitchcock, 1965)
Night and Fog (1956, Resnais)
Ikiru (Kurosawa, 1952)
:):):D

Citizen Rules 11-30-22 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2349557)
I don't know about best movies ever made, but here's my current top 10:

Stalker
2001: A Space Odyssey
Eraserhead
The Tree of Life
Late Spring
Persona
Vertigo
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly
Double Indemnity
A Moment of Innocence
Nice list! If I was making a list of my all time favorite movies that I thought were great, I would include 5 of your 10:
Stalker
2001: A Space Odyssey
Eraserhead
Late Spring
Double Indemnity

I haven't seen these two:
Persona
A Moment of Innocence

ScarletLion 11-30-22 12:06 PM

Re: Sight and Sound 2022 poll... your list and predictions?
 
A moment of Innocence was 11th on my list. Incredible film.

Citizen Rules 11-30-22 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2349569)
..
I haven't seen these two:
Persona
A Moment of Innocence
Correction, I have seen A Moment of Innocence.

SpelingError 11-30-22 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2349571)
Correction, I have seen A Moment of Innocence.
Yeah, cause I remember I nominated it for the 29th HoF.

Citizen Rules 11-30-22 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2349574)
Yeah, cause I remember I nominated it for the 29th HoF.
Yup! So I just about seen everyone on your list.

Mr Minio 11-30-22 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2349541)
Ambulance (Bay, 2022)
??????????????????????

SpelingError 11-30-22 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2349576)
Yup! So I just about seen everyone on your list.
You should watch Persona now.

SpelingError 11-30-22 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Minio (Post 2349580)
??????????????????????
Pretty sure he's joking.

Rockatansky 11-30-22 12:52 PM

Ambulance ****ing rules. Best movie of 2022. Throw it on the list! And Minio’s museum while we’re at it. (Not in the basement, though. Don’t want Avengers stank getting on it.)

Torgo 11-30-22 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Minio (Post 2349580)
??????????????????????
Hey, it could happen.

But seriously, maybe it's more of a Cahiers du Cinéma thing, but a genre movie sometimes ends up on these lists that nobody can explain how it got there and it's usually one by Michael Bay or Brian De Palma.

SpelingError 11-30-22 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rockatansky (Post 2349591)
Ambulance ****ing rules. Best movie of 2022. Throw it on the list! And Minio’s museum while we’re at it. (Not in the basement, though. Don’t want Avengers stank getting on it.)
We can place it right next to Starcrash.

Rockatansky 11-30-22 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2349592)
Hey, it could happen.

But seriously, maybe it's more of a Cahiers du Cinéma thing, but a genre movie sometimes ends up on these lists that nobody can explain how it got there and it's usually one by Michael Bay or Brian De Palma.
I wouldn’t be surprised if John Carpenter breaks into the list.

Citizen Rules 11-30-22 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by SpelingError (Post 2349588)
You should watch Persona now.
I'm waiting for it to get nominated in something or other.

iluv2viddyfilms 11-30-22 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Daniel M (Post 2349495)
Nice thread and I can't wait to see the full list. Once it's revealed I'll try and work my way through any remaining top films that I haven't seen.

Here's my top ten if I was asked...



So I have no problem with Kane or Vertigo taking the top spot. For Ford I was torn between Stagecoach and The Searchers. My last spot was between Greed, Intolerance or Sunrise, or maybe a Keaton or Chaplin. So hard cutting it down to a top ten.

I wonder if the recent passing of Jean-Luc Godard will see one of his films finish high up, most like Breathless, for its importance in film history.
I do imagine Breathless will actually move up, not only because of his passing this year, but because of the political nature of his films and how so much has gone on in the past 10 years that it might draw more attention to an avante garde filmmaker who largely used his work to either make commentary on film itself or his political viewpoints. I love Godard, and he's an example of a filmmaker where I don't have to always agree with him to value what he's doing.

I love Greed and it was one of the first silent movies that really got me into that sphere of seeing them on par with "talkie" pictures. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Sunrise move up the list too! Stagecoach is more innovative it seems in the sense of exploring how storytelling can happen on film and a tighter film that the Searchers, but I don't think it gets near the emotional magnitude of The Searchers. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ford's films drop a bit because of modern day sensibilities of how American Indians should be portrayed in films.

iluv2viddyfilms 11-30-22 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by ScarletLion (Post 2349496)
Very hard to do, it changes every week! But something like this:

1. Metropolis
2. Citizen Kane
3. Come and See
4. The Night of the Hunter
5. Persona
6. Seven Samurai
7. The Passion of Joan of Arc
8. 2001: A Space Odyssey
9. I am Cuba
10. Casablanca
I was watching Come and See late one night last week and only got half way through it... very disturbing, but I will finish it. I haven't seen I am Cuba. I love Citizen Kane of course and The Night of the Hunter's appreciation and viewership seems to only be growing.

Daniel M 12-01-22 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Torgo (Post 2349592)
Hey, it could happen.

But seriously, maybe it's more of a Cahiers du Cinéma thing, but a genre movie sometimes ends up on these lists that nobody can explain how it got there and it's usually one by Michael Bay or Brian De Palma.
Brian de Palma is not comparable in any way to Michael Bay as a director. De Palma being on the list makes sense.

Holden Pike 12-01-22 09:31 AM

Re: Sight and Sound 2022 poll... your list and predictions?
 
My ballot (if I got to send one in)...

Metropolis (1927)
Casablanca (1943)
Rashōmon (1950)
Lawrence of Arabia (1963)
Dr. Strangelove or: How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)
Once Upon a Time in the West (1968)
The Godfather (1971)
Chinatown (1974)
Blade Runner (1982)
GoodFellas (1990)


I expect we are going to have a third title take the top spot. Citizen Kane to Vertigo to...I don't know what will top the list this time, but I suspect we are due for a change.

Siddon 12-01-22 09:50 AM

The Godfather (1973)
Jaws (1975)
2001 A Space Odyssey (1968)
Do the Right Thing (1989)
Shawshank Redemption (1994)
Tokyo Story (1953)
Vertigo (1958)
Citizen Kane (1941)
Casablanca (1943)
The Silence of the Lambs (1991)

Little Ash 12-01-22 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rockatansky (Post 2349615)
I wouldn’t be surprised if John Carpenter breaks into the list.
What people mean by the list is always ambiguous.
Assuming you don't mean the top 10 (which that is what some mean when they say, "the list," which has lead to confusion on my part sometimes), are you saying top 100 or top 250.
I'm not historian on the poll, but looking at the last one, the top 100 would surprise me. The top 250, isn't inconceivable.

ETA: speaking in terms of going from not being in the top 250 to being in the top 100 would seem like a big lift for a genre film.

Little Ash 12-01-22 03:43 PM

You know what? After looking at the results, I got whiplash from all of the much more recent movies making the top 100.


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