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Omnizoa 04-03-16 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by The Rodent (Post 1488615)
I'm a stalwart hater of pirated movies. Pirated films are the reason ticket prices are so high, and quality is so low in the movie business (along with corporate greed of course).
Do you blame airport food prices on pirated movies too?

Naisy 04-03-16 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Omnizoa (Post 1488727)
Do you blame airport food prices on pirated movies too?
No, but if millions of people were stealing first class tickets and flying for free every day that as with any business there would be a need to try and recoup those losses in some way to keep the planes flying.

Omnizoa 04-04-16 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Naisy (Post 1488953)
No, but if millions of people were stealing first class tickets and flying for free every day that as with any business there would be a need to try and recoup those losses in some way to keep the planes flying.
But that's not the case and airport prices are beyond ridiculous. That's my point.

Mandwa Mona Rudao 06-03-16 02:44 PM

Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
 
There is an oppurunity cost to piracy. i pirate super rare stuff usually and DVR/rent other stuff. Tv series is an exception, but i watch more on tv than i ever did.

TONGO 06-03-16 02:56 PM

Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
 
They need to stop making DVDs for critics or award judges unless its a movie already released to the public on DVD. That indulgence theyve granted themselves has cost them hundreds of millions of dollars in ticket sales overall.

Omnizoa 06-04-16 01:37 AM

Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
 
Originally Posted by TONGO (Post 1526527)
They need to stop making DVDs for critics or award judges unless its a movie already released to the public on DVD. That indulgence theyve granted themselves has cost them hundreds of millions of dollars in ticket sales overall.
Maybe they just shouldn't do pre-screenings/pre-release copies period.

But not because of piracy, because they make no sense.

Guaporense 06-28-16 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by The Rodent (Post 1488615)
I'm a stalwart hater of pirated movies. Pirated films are the reason ticket prices are so high, and quality is so low in the movie business (along with corporate greed of course).
Don't forget the jews!

Omnizoa 06-28-16 04:32 AM

Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
 
Originally Posted by Guaporense (Post 1538601)
Don't forget the jews!
I hope you're joking.

Marlon Brando 06-28-16 08:44 AM

Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
 
I usually buy at least half the movies I like, but there is no good reason I should pay for everything I see when all I gotta do is download a torrent and have it in front of me within minutes.

Omnizoa 06-28-16 09:00 AM

Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
 
Originally Posted by Marlon Brando (Post 1538662)
I usually buy at least half the movies I like, but there is no good reason I should pay for everything I see when all I gotta do is download a torrent and have it in front of me within minutes.
It's justified because it's convenient can be used to excuse any manner of crimes.

Marlon Brando 06-28-16 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Omnizoa (Post 1538663)
It's justified because it's convenient can be used to excuse any manner of crimes.
I don't have to justify it.

Omnizoa 06-28-16 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Marlon Brando (Post 1538810)
I don't have to justify it.
You are justifying it when you say "there is no good reason I should pay for everything I see when all I gotta do is download a torrent".

Your argument is based entirely on convenience.

Marlon Brando 06-28-16 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Omnizoa (Post 1538824)
You are justifying it when you say "there is no good reason I should pay for everything I see when all I gotta do is download a torrent".

Your argument is based entirely on convenience.
Okay then. No one is being hurt when I do this so it doesn't really matter. All I'm doing is grabbing a free movie that someone else put on there. Shouldn't even count as a crime.

TONGO 06-28-16 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Marlon Brando (Post 1538830)
Okay then. No one is being hurt when I do this so it doesn't really matter. All I'm doing is grabbing a free movie that someone else put on there. Shouldn't even count as a crime.
The movie theater industry may have been destroyed by the price increases the studios laid out to cover the losses. Big tobacco did the same thing when they had to pay billions in restitution, and the studios arent hurt because they raised their prices accordingly (not that they first did anything wrong to cause their problem).

No I dont consider someone a criminal if they download a movie and watch it. Honestly I think thats more on the studios for not really trying to correct the problem. I do think it goes to a criminal act if youre making money off it by selling copies.

Yoda 06-28-16 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Marlon Brando (Post 1538830)
No one is being hurt when I do this so it doesn't really matter.
Of course they are: there's an entire industry of people producing incredibly expensive movies at a very high rate precisely because people pay to see them. Anything which lowers the amount of money paid to see these movies hurts the people in the industry. Or do you think people would still be making $200 million blockbusters if everybody just torrented them? :skeptical:

Originally Posted by Marlon Brando (Post 1538830)
All I'm doing is grabbing a free movie that someone else put on there. Shouldn't even count as a crime.
First, we're talking about creative property, which means it's the viewing that causes the harm, not the mere uploading.

Second, this is a legalistic argument, not a moral one. "They shouldn't be able to charge me" is not the same as "this isn't wrong."

Third, it's not even a valid legalistic argument, because there are already laws against receiving stolen property.

The Rodent 06-28-16 05:57 PM

Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
 
That's like saying "I drive without insurance, and if I crash my car into a supermarket it doesn't matter because nobody was hurt. It's just the building"

Marlon Brando 06-28-16 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by TONGO (Post 1538838)
The movie theater industry may have been destroyed by the price increases the studios laid out to cover the losses.
The movie theater industry is not destroyed. They are making more money than ever. And it isn't just ticket prices, people are going to see movies more than ever.

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 1538840)
Of course they are: there's an entire industry of people producing incredibly expensive movies at a very high rate precisely because people pay to see them. Anything which lowers the amount of money paid to see these movies hurts the people in the industry. Or do you think people would still be making $200 million blockbusters if everybody just torrented them? :skeptical:
Well people have been torrenting these blockbusters for years now. They still make many of them every year, people still see them and they still makes tons of money. So far, it doesn't seem to be having a huge negative effect on them.

Originally Posted by The Rodent (Post 1538844)
That's like saying "I drive without insurance, and if I crash my car into a supermarket it doesn't matter because nobody was hurt. It's just the building"
That makes no sense.

Omnizoa 06-28-16 06:18 PM

Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
 
Originally Posted by Yoda
Of course they are: there's an entire industry of people producing incredibly expensive movies at a very high rate precisely because people pay to see them. Anything which lowers the amount of money paid to see these movies hurts the people in the industry. Or do you think people would still be making $200 million blockbusters if everybody just torrented them?
Copyright law is a busted system in more countries than one, especially when it comes to digital media which I feel shouldn't be held to the same standards as physical media.

Originally Posted by The Rodent's Signature
"This evasive, ageist, nonspecifically absolutist, fearmongering knee-jerk fatalism is so far beyond ridiculous it comes across as diehard contrarianism. And if you're just gonna do that, there's no point talking to you." - Omnizoa
I'm flattered.

Omnizoa 06-28-16 06:22 PM

Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
 
Originally Posted by Marlon Brando
That makes no sense.
I agree.

Originally Posted by Marlon Brando
Well people have been torrenting these blockbusters for years now. They still make many of them every year, people still see them and they still makes tons of money. So far, it doesn't seem to be having a huge negative effect on them.
SO FAR, but consider the extremes as Yoda implied. Just because something's working "so far" doesn't mean it'll always work or is even justified to begin with.

You gotta put more thought into this if you intend to contend with copyright law.

TONGO 06-28-16 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Marlon Brando (Post 1538856)
The movie theater industry is not destroyed. They are making more money than ever. And it isn't just ticket prices, people are going to see movies more than ever.
No, hardly. Youre confusing how much money the movies are making to attendance, and since prices are higher, MUCH higher, theyre making money. Less people go to the theaters though than ever before.


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