Originally Posted by Holden Pike (Post 2422286)
WARNING: spoilers below
High & Low - Point Blank
In the Heat of the Night - The Naked Kiss The Driver - The Conformist Chinatown - The Long Goodbye Night Moves - Straight Time Blow Out - Body Heat XXXXX - XXXXX (I recognize this, but can't remember from which film) Thief - Blade Runner LA Confidential - SE7EN Romeo is Bleeding - The Hot Spot XXXXX - XXXXX The Grifters - Dead Again Memento - Sin City Collateral - No Country for Old Men XXXXX - Inherent Vice Drive - Nightcrawler |
Re: The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread
@Cobpyth - in addition to the five you didn't answer, one of those was wrong. Otherwise, spot on.
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Originally Posted by Holden Pike (Post 2422294)
Plenty of obvious ones there, but anyone want to take a shot at identifying all thirty-two of 'em?
WARNING: spoilers below
???? — Point Blank In the Heat of the Night? — ???? ???? — The Conformist Chinatown — The Long Goodbye Night Moves — ???? Blow Out — Body Heat ???? — ???? Thief — Blade Runner L.A. Confidential — Seven Romeo Is Bleeding? — Dark City? ???? — Devil in a Blue Dress? ???? — ???? Memento — Sin City Zodiac — No Country for Old Men ???? — Inherent Vice Drive — Nightcrawler How did I do? |
Re: The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread
@Thief - other than the ones you didn't answer, two wrong. Twenty correct.
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Re: The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread
Now that Holden brought those images, I have some questions that I think would be beneficial for everybody, but I'm gonna let some more people take a crack at it.
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I will wait for the answers, but think I only got ten
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Re: The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread
Finally! Thanks for running this, Thief. With you here and CR in the Classic Noir we're in for a great dual/duel Mofo countdown experience!
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Re: The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread
And then a movie needs to be tagged on at least two of the three...
Does High and Low count? I see it on Letterboxd. Not in the first paragraph on wiki but I do see it at the bottom tagged categories (which I think should count): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_and_Low_(1963_film) And then not genre tagged on imdb but keyword tagged: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057565/keywords/ I await your verdict. Alphaville, Blade Runner? |
Originally Posted by Harry Lime (Post 2422330)
...Alphaville, Blade Runner?
It's a classic noir story of a burnt out, jaded detective-cop who's down and out. He's left the police force. His wife has left him and he lives alone, drinking way too much. He's called back into duty to track down some dangerous killers and ends up falling in love with the femme fatale. He then risks his life by illegally sheltering her and finally running away with her to kept her safe. That's a noir story if I ever seen one. Harry, are you saying it's not tagged noir on the sites listed in the rules? I haven't checked myself. Seems Alphaville would be neo noir too. |
Re: The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread
Yeah so far ones in question, for me at least are: High and Low, Blade Runner, Alphaville, Taxi Driver, Le Cercle Rouge, The Conversation, Takeshi Kitano films like Sonatine and Hana-bi, The Big Lebowski, Pulp Fiction, Fargo, The Limey, No Country for Old Men, Serie Noire, Bad Lieutenant, Fallen Angels, Sexy Beast, A History of Violence
I guess it's a matter of clarifying a few things. 1) Do keywords on imdb count or only genre? 2) How about those tags at the bottom of the wiki page? I think these should be considered. |
Re: The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread
The answers for my 32 pics are...
High & Low, Point Blank, In the Heat of the Night, The Naked Kiss, The Driver, The Conformist, Chinatown, The Long Goodbye, Night Moves, Straight Time, Blow Out, Body Heat, Angel Heart, To Live and Die in L.A., Thief, Blade Runner, L.A. Confidential, SE7EN, Romeo is Bleeding, The Hot Spot, Shallow Grave, One Flase Move, The Grifters, Dead Again, Memento, SIN CITY, Zodiac, No Country for Old Men, Blue Ruin, Inherent Vice, Driver, and Nightcrawler |
Originally Posted by Harry Lime (Post 2422346)
1) Do keywords on imdb count or only genre? 2) How about those tags at the bottom of the wiki page? I think these should be considered.
The example picture shows IMDb keyword tags. "Alternatively, it could be on a "neo-noir" category at the bottom of the page." |
Re: The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread
Generally I am just following the tagging rules, but I am going to ask for an appeal on Victoria (2015).
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Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2422198)
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Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2422208)
Jackie Brown and Drive are both eligible because they are included in a "neo-noir" category in Wikipedia (see bottom of their Wikipedia articles) and they both have a "neo-noir" tag on IMDb.
I still haven't seen The Killer (might watch it tonight or tomorrow), but it has a "neo-noir" tag on IMDb. As far as Wikipedia or Letterboxd, nothing yet, and it needs at least two. Considering that it's a film that just premiered on Netflix today, let's give this one some time before we decide. |
Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2422196)
ELEGIBILITY So what films can break through this glass door to get in our countdown?
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Originally Posted by KeyserCorleone (Post 2422390)
Firstly, Wikipedia is bull. Anyone can go in and change it, so the system is already broken. Someone can even erase the tag to keep a film they disagree with from getting in. Secondly, why do we need two out of three? The members here have proven time after time that they'll vote based on what they feel is accurately while also following the rules, so for two instead of one would be a bit strict. You should keep it to just Imdb and Letterboxd and allow for only one out of two to allow the film in.
Besides, although I would say it requires a couple more hurdles, anybody can join and edit IMDb and TMDb (and by consequence, Letterboxd). I know because I am an editor in both. Third, the need for two out of three comes precisely to address your main concern about Wikipedia, or any of the other sites. The fact that we're requiring two places means that anybody with those intentions that you mention has to "sabotage" two websites, not one. Finally, the floor is open for any question of eligibility about any film that might not fit those criteria, like Vicky did yesterday. If there's any film you'd like to vote for that doesn't fit, let us know. |
Originally Posted by Harry Lime (Post 2422330)
And then a movie needs to be tagged on at least two of the three...
Does High and Low count? I see it on Letterboxd. Not in the first paragraph on wiki but I do see it at the bottom tagged categories (which I think should count): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_and_Low_(1963_film) And then not genre tagged on imdb but keyword tagged: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057565/keywords/ I await your verdict. Alphaville, Blade Runner? Alphaville applies via Wikipedia (described as such in intro) and IMDb ("neo-noir tag"). It doesn't have a "Film Noir" theme on Letterboxd, but it does have a "neo-noir" keyword on TMDB. Not necessary cause it already qualified, but just saying... Blade Runner applies via Wikipedia (neo-noir category at the bottom), and IMDb (both "neo-noir" and "tech-noir" tags). Didn't see anything on Letterboxd, but although it's not needed, I'm sure if I go to TMDB, It would have a "neo-noir" keyword like Alphaville. So all three are good to go. |
Originally Posted by Thief (Post 2422399)
I appreciate the concerns, but I disagree. First, as someone who has been a frequent editor on Wikipedia for more than 15 years, I can acknowledge that it's not without issues, but there are hundreds and thousands of editors and moderators behind the curtain self-policing changes to articles. So it's not as easy as just "erasing a tag" and nobody will notice.
Besides, although I would say it requires a couple more hurdles, anybody can join and edit IMDb and TMDb (and by consequence, Letterboxd). I know because I am an editor in both. Third, the need for two out of three comes precisely to address your main concern about Wikipedia, or any of the other sites. The fact that we're requiring two places means that anybody with those intentions that you mention has to "sabotage" two websites, not one. Finally, the floor is open for any question of eligibility about any film that might not fit those criteria, like Vicky did yesterday. If there's any film you'd like to vote for that doesn't fit, let us know. I've tried those edits on Imdb and Tmdb before, one got me nowhere and I had to fill out a FORM just to get nowhere in the first place, and the other got me verbally abused by a mod because I expressed polite concerns for a mistagged porn movie. |
Originally Posted by Harry Lime (Post 2422346)
Yeah so far ones in question, for me at least are: High and Low, Blade Runner, Alphaville, Taxi Driver, Le Cercle Rouge, The Conversation, Takeshi Kitano films like Sonatine and Hana-bi, The Big Lebowski, Pulp Fiction, Fargo, The Limey, No Country for Old Men, Serie Noire, Bad Lieutenant, Fallen Angels, Sexy Beast, A History of Violence
I guess it's a matter of clarifying a few things. 1) Do keywords on imdb count or only genre? 2) How about those tags at the bottom of the wiki page? I think these should be considered.
Originally Posted by LAMb EELYAK (Post 2422377)
The example picture shows IMDb keyword tags.
"Alternatively, it could be on a "neo-noir" category at the bottom of the page." |
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