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Citizen Rules 09-16-20 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2125252)
Well I feel like people should not be allowed to judge a movie before they see it in context.
How are you going to enforce that? The Thought Police? or maybe the Dream Police:p

...some comments say that one of the movies bad scenes is when an 11 year old, shows another character her breast.

But do we actually see a breast or is it just implied. Things like that make a huge difference...
Yes it does, and you make a good point. (I haven't seen the movie so I don't know what is or isn't shown)

Also, the movie did get a 90 on rottentomatoes, so that must mean something.
It means nothing, at least to me.

But some people online have pointed out that the only reason why the filmmakers are praising the movie, is because the director is a female, and that if the filmmaker was male, they would tear it apart.
Yup, if a man directed it, he would be called a pedophile by social media types and the film wouldn't have gotten released (IMO of course, cause I'm not psychic🙂)...Image if Roman Polanski had directed!

cricket 09-16-20 09:11 PM

I only saw a quick clip on the news and I didn't like what I saw, but that's just how my mind works. I won't watch it, and given my taste, why would I? Someone else might view it differently, so if someone else wants to watch it, I don't care. Why would I?

ironpony 09-16-20 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2125263)
How are you going to enforce that? The Thought Police? or maybe the Dream Police:p

Yes it does, and you make a good point. (I haven't seen the movie so I don't know what is or isn't shown)

It means nothing, at least to me.

Yup, if a man directed it, he would be called a pedophile by social media types and the film wouldn't have gotten released (IMO of course, cause I'm not psychic🙂)...Image if Roman Polanski had directed!
Oh I'm not going to do anything to enforce it of course, I am just giving my opinion :).

But let's say the breast is not shown and it's just implied that one kid showed another her breast.

In the movie Jersey Girl (2004), two kids show each other their private parts to compare what they look like. And that hardly got any controversy, and you don't see Kevin Smith being called a pedophile for people for putting that in one of his movies, to compare...

Mesmerized 09-16-20 10:44 PM

If I can't even pronounce the director's name, I'm not watching the movie. Especially since the director is probably a child molester who searches the internet for child porn.

Mesmerized 09-16-20 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2125263)
Yup, if a man directed it, he would be called a pedophile
There are female pedophiles too. Sex offender registries are full of them.

Citizen Rules 09-16-20 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mesmerized (Post 2125281)
There are female pedophiles too. Sex offender registries are full of them.
No doubt that there is, but that wasn't my point.

Citizen Rules 09-16-20 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2125278)
Oh I'm not going to do anything to enforce it of course, I am just giving my opinion :).
I know:)

You ought to watch Cuties and post back on what you think of it, I'd like to know what you thought of it.

Wyldesyde19 09-16-20 11:17 PM

A lot of judgement considering none have watched it yet.
Social media types have indeed attacked the film, and by extension the director, although they have stopped short of calling her a pedophile, they are accusing her of Sexually exploiting Young girls. They’ve absolutely called for Netflix to remove it or risk being “canceled”.
It seems the message behind it is being overlooked, and although it pushes it the envelope from what I’ve read, one must remember that depiction doesn’t necessarily equal endorsement.*
Until I watch it, I can’t render a verdict.


*final line stolen from a critics review

ironpony 09-16-20 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2125285)
I know:)

You ought to watch Cuties and post back on what you think of it, I'd like to know what you thought of it.
Oh thank you :). Well I might get a Netflix free trial and check it out, it's just haven't had much time lately because of work. So hopefully it will stay on long enough for me to.

On another note, the title also sounds like it's in poor taste, which probably hasn't helped the controversy. I read in French the title means cute. I am not sure how the title comes off in their culture, but a movie is about 11 year old girls coming to terms with their sexuality, calling the movie 'Cuties', is probably not the best idea.

Another thing is, the movie does not seem to have been submitted for an MPAA rating, at least not that I could find so far. So I wonder, does the movie have NC-17 probable material in, and that is why they didn't want to submit, since audiences do not like seeing that rating. Could that be why...

Powdered Water 09-17-20 12:05 AM

Re: Cuties
 
Cuties isn't even the name of the film. America is quite possibly the dumbest country in the world. There is exactly one t*t in the film. One. And it's not clear how old the girl was because she was in a video the main girls were watching. All I can say is... if this is what it's like for kids today. Especially girls? Wow.

Wyldesyde19 09-17-20 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by ironpony (Post 2125293)
Oh thank you :). Well I might get a Netflix free trial and check it out, it's just haven't had much time lately because of work. So hopefully it will stay on long enough for me to.

On another note, the title also sounds like it's in poor taste, which probably hasn't helped the controversy. I read in French the title means cute. I am not sure how the title comes off in their culture, but a movie is about 11 year old girls coming to terms with their sexuality, calling the movie 'Cuties', is probably not the best idea.
You make it sound like this very thing doesn’t exist in the real word. This film represents something that seriously is already out there, and is in all likely hood satirizing it.
I’m pretty PC, but not for the sake of being PC. If people are going to criticize it for its risqué theme and demand it be removed , then we’re dangerously close to censorship.

CiCi 09-17-20 12:17 AM

Re: Cuties
 
Well the French title is Mignonnes which means cute/cuties.

But yeah, I think at least some of the reason this has gotten so big or why people have such a hatred of it is because people don't/won't realise that there is an uncomfortable truth to it. Makes me very glad I grew up just before stuff like Snapchat and Instagram really took off. Although I don't miss my Blackberry

mark f 09-17-20 12:18 AM

"Cuties" is the name of their dance troupe. There's a flash of a girl's breast. IMO, no possible NC-17 content and no reason to submit it for reasons discussed here concerning other films.

Powdered Water 09-17-20 12:32 AM

Re: Cuties
 
The definition I saw just said it meant cute or pretty. But I guess it can mean cuties too. I retract my statement. America is way smarter than I give it credit for. Sorry about that.

ironpony 09-17-20 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by mark f (Post 2125298)
"Cuties" is the name of their dance troupe. There's a flash of a girl's breast. IMO, no possible NC-17 content and no reason to submit it for reasons discussed here concerning other films.
Oh okay, so they show a breast for like a third of a second basically?

ironpony 09-17-20 12:42 AM

Re: Cuties
 
Well as far as the idea is that the audience is uncomfortable with the movies truth, a couple of reviews for it, said that they have no problem with the subject matter and the story, it's just why show the dirty dancing and twirking butts in close up shots... Could that be it then? If they decided to show it in a wide shot, and not move the camera in close, that would have made all the difference?

TheUsualSuspect 09-17-20 01:23 AM

Re: Cuties
 
If the filmmakers wanted to explore the sexualization of children, why not make a documentary on the topic instead of...sexualizing children in your fictionalized story? It's not like these are older girls playing younger kids like they usually do, these are simply 11 year old kids. I dunno. I haven't seen the flick, doubt I'll watch it though.

sarahwinget 09-17-20 01:26 AM

Re: Cuties
 
Very Nice

MovieMeditation 09-17-20 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by TheUsualSuspect (Post 2125302)
If the filmmakers wanted to explore the sexualization of children, why not make a documentary on the topic instead of...sexualizing children in your fictionalized story? It's not like these are older girls playing younger kids like they usually do, these are simply 11 year old kids. I dunno. I haven't seen the flick, doubt I'll watch it though.
My opinion exactly.

I looked up the final dance scene on YouTube. And even if what they want to say is important it just doesn’t work the way they do it. A doc would be much more powerful and they wouldn’t have to recreate these scenes because there’s already plenty of beauty contests and the likes out there for young children, which you could easily cover without having to make a weird music video set pieces thingy with 11 year olds dancing like that.

Wyldesyde19 09-17-20 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by MovieMeditation (Post 2125309)
My opinion exactly.

I looked up the final dance scene on YouTube. And even if what they want to say is important it just doesn’t work the way they do it. A doc would be much more powerful and they wouldn’t have to recreate these scenes because there’s already plenty of beauty contests and the likes out there for young children, which you could easily cover without having to make a weird music video set pieces thingy with 11 year olds dancing like that.
So you’re saying you’d rather see actual footage of it rather then fictional footage......


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