Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1936034)
Responses like this are why I voted yes.
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Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1936034)
Responses like this are why I voted yes.
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 1936036)
Not really sure how that makes sense. Unless you were using the poll as a proxy for broader issues and not answering literally.
Originally Posted by jiraffejustin (Post 1936037)
Make sure you address your white privilege before you respond to him/her, please.
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Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1936038)
*them
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Re: Are You SORRY You're WHITE?
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Re: Are You SORRY You're WHITE?
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Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1936038)
I can do both. I'm sorry that being white means I share something in common with the kind of person who gets this upset over having to acknowledge the concept of white privilege.
I'm also not sure where you're getting the idea that they were upset over "having to acknowledge the concept of white privilege." The question was about being "sorry" for being white. Seems to me this is another proxy fight, where people say things they don't mean because they understand it to be a signal for a broader disagreement. So "I'm not sorry for being white" is treated as a stand-in for rejecting the entire concept of privilege, and "I am sorry for being white" is just a way to acknowledge it exists. I think very little is served by having these discussions through so many obvious layers of abstraction--either in terms of simply speaking truth, or persuading others. |
Re: Are You SORRY You're WHITE?
Now I'm just sorry I posted in this thread.
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Originally Posted by iank (Post 1936015)
Um, no. I'd love to actually encounter someone in real life trying to pull this kind of crap, just for the look on their face when I put my foot up their ass.
It's always kinda funny when people use the Internet to imply others are only talking tough because they're on the Internet. |
Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1936051)
Now I'm just sorry I posted in this thread.
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Very well...
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 1936050)
Do you literally think people are responsible for the actions of other people of their race, and should express remorse for them, or were you just looking for a way to push back on that sentiment in a way that seemed like it related to the poll question?
I'm also not sure where you're getting the idea that they were upset over "having to acknowledge the concept of white privilege." The question was about being "sorry" for being white.
Seems to me this is another proxy fight, where people say things they don't mean because they understand it to be a signal for a broader disagreement. So "I'm not sorry for being white" is treated as a stand-in for rejecting the entire concept of privilege, and "I am sorry for being white" is just a way to acknowledge it exists.
I think very little is served by having these discussions through so many obvious layers of abstraction--either in terms of simply speaking truth, or persuading others.
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 1936058)
Why? You got your dig in. You expressed the obligatory pithy disdain. You can now disregard my attempt to draw a discussion from it until it comes up again, as is our inexplicable tradition.
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Since I'm guessing no one looked up the nurse's code in question, here's some context on that link at the start of the topic.
Here's a link to the code, http://www.nursingmidwiferyboard.gov...standards.aspx Here are the two applicable portions as far as I can discern, the first is in the glossary and it's the singular spot where "white privilege" appears:
Cultural safety concept was developed in a First Nations’ context and is the preferred term for nursing and midwifery. Cultural safety is endorsed by the Congress of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Nurses and Midwives (CATSINaM), who emphasise that cultural safety is as important to quality care as clinical safety. However, the “presence or absence of cultural safety is determined by the recipient of care; it is not defined by the caregiver” (CATSINaM, 2014, p. 9 ). Cultural safety is a philosophy of practice that is about how a health professional does something, not [just] what they do. It is about how people are treated in society, not about their diversity as such, so its focus is on systemic and structural issues and on the social determinants of health. Cultural safety represents a key philosophical shift from providing care regardless of difference, to care that takes account of peoples’ unique needs. It requires nurses and midwives to undertake an ongoing process of self-reflection and cultural self-awareness, and an acknowledgement of how a nurse’s/midwife’s personal culture impacts on care. In relation to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health, cultural safety provides a de-colonising model of practice based on dialogue, communication, power sharing and negotiation, and the acknowledgment of white privilege. These actions are a means to challenge racism at personal and institutional levels, and to establish trust in healthcare encounters (CATSINaM, 2017b, p. 11 ). In focusing on clinical interactions, particularly power inequity between patient and health professional, cultural safety calls for a genuine partnership where power is shared between the individuals and cultural groups involved in healthcare. Cultural safety is also relevant to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health professionals. Non-Indigenous nurses and midwives must address how they create a culturally safe work environment that is free of racism for their Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander colleagues (CATSINaM, 2017a ).
Second is the code around Culturally Safe Practice:
3.2 Culturally safe and respectful practice
Culturally safe and respectful practice requires having knowledge of how a nurse’s own culture, values, attitudes, assumptions and beliefs influence their interactions with people and families, the community and colleagues. To ensure culturally safe and respectful practice, nurses must: a. understand that only the person and/or their family can determine whether or not care is culturally safe and respectful b. respect diverse cultures, beliefs, gender identities, sexualities and experiences of people, including among team members c. acknowledge the social, economic, cultural, historic and behavioural factors influencing health, both at the individual, community and population levels d. adopt practices that respect diversity, avoid bias, discrimination and racism, and challenge belief based upon assumption (for example, based on gender, disability, race, ethnicity, religion, sexuality, age or political beliefs) e. support an inclusive environment for the safety and security of the individual person and their family and/or significant others, and f. create a positive, culturally safe work environment through role modelling, and supporting the rights, dignity and safety of others, including people and colleagues.
What is ‘cultural safety’ and why is it a requirement in the codes?
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples experience poorer health outcomes than non-Indigenous peoples. Cultural safety is a proven way for nurses and midwives to contribute to better health outcomes and experiences for Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander peoples. Cultural safety is about acknowledging the social, historical and structural factors that can have an impact on the health of Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander peoples. Rather than saying ‘I provide the same care to everyone regardless of difference,’ cultural safety means providing care that takes into account Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander peoples’ needs. Many nurses and midwives will already be practising cultural safety, even if they have not heard of the term. The new codes of conduct guide all nurses and midwives on a cultural safety.
Maternity systems have failed to incorporate the evidence provided by Indigenous women on the impact of social risks that include cultural risk...Recent empirical work in Australia reconfirms that these risks are still valid, highlighting that they not only cause distress to women and families, but also increase clinical and medical risks...
We acknowledge the importance of clinical and medical risk, but suggest that the definition of risk needs be broader, to incorporate the social (cultural, emotional and spiritual) risks as valid and important dimensions of risk assessment requiring risk management processes. The disconnection between social, cultural and spiritual risk and western clinical and medical biophysical risk is a critical and understudied phenomenon that needs further work. |
Originally Posted by Sexy Celebrity (Post 1935975)
Do you ACKNOWLEGE your WHITE PRIVILEGE, whitey?
Are you SORRY for being WHITE?
Should white people be sorry and acknowledge their white privilege to those who are not white?
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Re: Are You SORRY You're WHITE?
I was writing up a post that was going to answer the direct topic question, but d_chat beat me to it and probably did a better job.
You owe it to yourself to acknowledge unearned benefits in your life, if only for the sake of calibrating which forces were responsible for the shape of your life. If someone says you need to do it in a public shame sort of way, yeah, I'd probably be against that. But when people encourage you to do it out of self-reflection, I think it's completely healthy. That said, I still answered Yes out of the pettiest instinct because the poll was made in bad faith. |
Originally Posted by Sexy Celebrity (Post 1936012)
https://www.movieforums.com/communit...1&d=1534296889
Nothing showed WHITE DOMINANCE like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in Ghostbusters. Tell me that's not a secret KKK scene. |
Originally Posted by Sexy Celebrity (Post 1935998)
This thread is in serious need of Aretha Franklin and George Michael.
I would prescribe this for every thread with an ailment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBCWLhlJV0Y |
Originally Posted by Slappydavis (Post 1936078)
That said, I still answered Yes out of the pettiest instinct because the poll was made in bad faith.
Sure, white privilege exists. But privilege of all kinds exists, and the benefits of just being white are incredibly slim. I live in rural Oklahoma, and I can tell you, white privilege hasn't done sh*t for all these white people out here. |
Re: Are You SORRY You're WHITE?
I'm sorry i ever joined this site, that's for sure.
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Originally Posted by Camo (Post 1936085)
I'm sorry i ever joined this site, that's for sure.
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