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Sexy Celebrity 05-12-16 03:50 AM

Re: Rocky Horror Picture Show (Movie Analysis/Interpretation)
 
So you're basically like an atheist in some ways -- no free will, no afterlife -- yet you believe in gods that test us and ruin us. Gods that basically mess with us to destroy us.

foster 05-12-16 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 1512249)
Foster, we should get together sometime to take in an old Steve Reeves movie! ;)
Never heard of him.

Sexy Celebrity 05-12-16 03:51 AM

Re: Rocky Horror Picture Show (Movie Analysis/Interpretation)
 
Originally Posted by foster (Post 1512248)
the new testiment is meant to contradict the old one. With jesus things have changed and the old ways have changed with him.
Well, I think he's saying Jesus is bull. Jesus is all a lie. The Old Testament was the truth. The New Testament corrupted the truth and turned it all into lies.

Captain Steel 05-12-16 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Leviticus (Post 1512244)
Haha it is messed up that he plays with our heads but really the story is quite beautiful. He tested Job so that Job could finally know for sure he is alive and true. For Job didn't know that G-d existed before only heard rumors but now he actually saw. And Jobs mission after realizing this was to enlighten the world of the Lord.
What about Job's children? God murdered them. What did they do to deserve that? What happened to their souls?
And how did Job reconcile faith in a God that would murder his children just to test his faith (and he passed the test, yet his children were murdered anyway - it wasn't like God brought them back to life).

Leviticus 05-12-16 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 1512254)
What about Job's children? God murdered them. What did they do to deserve that? What happened to their souls?
And how did Job reconcile faith in a God that would murder his children just to test his faith (and he passed the test, yet his children were murdered anyway - it wasn't like God brought them back to life).
In the book, it's said that the children may have cursed G-d in their hearts and so Job had to do some repenting for them....

This is the result of sin without repentance. We are forgiven as long as we seek repentance and we're given many chances to repent...

Captain Steel 05-12-16 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by foster (Post 1512251)
Never heard of him.
Is that a joke?

foster 05-12-16 04:03 AM

Re: Rocky Horror Picture Show (Movie Analysis/Interpretation)
 
no

Captain Steel 05-12-16 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by foster (Post 1512260)
no
So you dressed up as Frank-N-Furter, but don't know the songs in the movie?

Captain Steel 05-12-16 04:13 AM

Just for fun... (Steve Reeves is mentioned in the 2nd stanza - Reeves, btw, was a professional body builder who played Hercules in some old Italian movies)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDKyj35ew0E

foster 05-12-16 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 1512261)
So you dressed up as Frank-N-Furter, but don't know the songs in the movie?
I just did it to pick up chicks.

Sexy Celebrity 05-12-16 04:23 AM

Re: Rocky Horror Picture Show (Movie Analysis/Interpretation)
 
Originally Posted by foster (Post 1512274)
Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 1512261)
So you dressed up as Frank-N-Furter, but don't know the songs in the movie?
I just did it to pick up chicks.
Just like a man... turning gay just to impress the ladies.

Captain Steel 05-12-16 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by foster (Post 1512274)
I just did it to pick up chicks.
Fair enough.

(Now that you know the Steve Reeves line, you can pick up more than just chicks!) ;)

foster 05-12-16 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by Sexy Celebrity (Post 1512275)
Just like a man... turning gay just to impress the ladies.
Step 1: Steal their man
Step 2: Dump the man
Step 3: Get the lady!

AboveTheClouds 05-12-16 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Leviticus (Post 1512236)
G-d creates and destroys.
Woah, woah, woah there friendo. That sounds very familiar to me, in fact you seem to have me a tad confused here.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...9709aefb90.jpg

The image above has indicated something in red circles, but seems to lack text pertaining to it, I speak of the red circles around the arms. The words on the arms of Baphomet are "Solve" and "Coagula" and when translated from Latin equates to.

Solve = Seperate
Coagula = Join together/Bind

So this would also make Baphomet a creator and destroyer? So would Baphomet equate to some strange iteration of the christian god then? Or would that be heresy, and would Baphomet be considered a separate being from god? And if that's the case then wouldn't Baphomet be considered omnipotent as well, because it also has the powers of creation and destruction, and would having two omnipotent beings ruin the concept of monotheism? I mean you could still pick a single god to worship, but there is a visible alternative who's just as powerful.

idoneus1957 05-12-16 11:27 AM

Although straight, I have 3 excellent reasons for liking this movie:
l. Susan Sarandon
2. Some great musical numbers.
3. An endless stream of allusions to other movies.

Leviticus 05-13-16 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by AboveTheClouds (Post 1512283)
Woah, woah, woah there friendo. That sounds very familiar to me, in fact you seem to have me a tad confused here.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...9709aefb90.jpg

The image above has indicated something in red circles, but seems to lack text pertaining to it, I speak of the red circles around the arms. The words on the arms of Baphomet are "Solve" and "Coagula" and when translated from Latin equates to.

Solve = Seperate
Coagula = Join together/Bind

So this would also make Baphomet a creator and destroyer? So would Baphomet equate to some strange iteration of the christian god then? Or would that be heresy, and would Baphomet be considered a separate being from god? And if that's the case then wouldn't Baphomet be considered omnipotent as well, because it also has the powers of creation and destruction, and would having two omnipotent beings ruin the concept of monotheism? I mean you could still pick a single god to worship, but there is a visible alternative who's just as powerful.
Great observations and I'm happy to explain my thoughts on the matter.

G-d and satan/baphomet/lucifer/jesus (the christian god) are very similar true but there are some major things that separate them.

G-d is the creator of everything and has the power either bless or curse us. Satan on the other hand has no power to bless us. He is a false god that wants worship and to destroy people for his own personal gain. G-d just wants what's good for us.

Satan has been trying to deceive people for as long as anyone can remember... He's depicted as the serpent in the book of Genesis who tells people that they can be their own gods by knowing good and evil. But the truth is we are NOT god. We don't have the power to create worlds because we are the creation and not the creator.

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Leviticus 05-13-16 12:14 AM

Re: Rocky Horror Picture Show (Movie Analysis/Interpretation)
 
In that above verse you'll find his objective: "I will be like the most High."

But he get's cast down in the end because he's not G-d.

While we're on this topic let me just relate this to Frank in the film.... People look up to his "genius" but then they come to realize in the movie that he's just out for personal gain. He just wants worshipers and to get people to sin by having sex with him. He wants to be worshiped and to be an extreme hedonist.... What happens to him in the end? The same thing that happened to lucifer or the serpent of knowledge of good and evil. G-d smote them.


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