Originally Posted by Sedai (Post 1888661)
Comparing him to The Rock is just silly. Sorry, but Leo's performance in The Revenant is excellent, as is his performance in The Aviator. The guy can clearly bring subtlety and nuance to his roles. He does have some roles that are perhaps a bit phoned in, but he has done plenty of work that is quite a bit above average, and again, comparing him to Rock is pretty ridiculous.
Speaking of performances in revenant or aviator...the problem starts right from the casting..he doesnt fit both the roles genetically..he is a man baby..revenant needs ddl or bale..you are talking about a role that needs a warrior kind of person not a man baby...even in aviator you need a charming man and not an angry teenager..his fights with cate blanchett were laughable because she looks more mature than him..and then it again brings me back to the situations surrounding the movie...his acting revenant is more of less like ton of other actors in snowy movies..but you say he is excellent because of the direction of the movie and the budget they spent to shoot..director is the key about how the movie shapes and the nominations...same performance in a straight to video movie would feel like "yeah whatever" kind of performance. Its called perception. |
Originally Posted by aronisred (Post 1888703)
when i compare him to rock...i dont mean talent wise but more of a boxoffice wise..rock is boxoffice draw but not every movie he makes is a hit...baywatch proved that audience arent gonna blindly march to the movies ...but in case of Dicaprio time and again he is getting budgets of 100 million and above for almost every project. So people if you do it enough you are gonna be a brand..its like a circle...without awards buzz and auteurs at the helm his movies would have lost money most of the time.
Speaking of performances in revenant or aviator...the problem starts right from the casting..he doesnt fit both the roles genetically..he is a man baby..revenant needs ddl or bale..you are talking about a role that needs a warrior kind of person not a man baby...even in aviator you need a charming man and not an angry teenager..his fights with cate blanchett were laughable because she looks more mature than him..and then it again brings me back to the situations surrounding the movie...his acting revenant is more of less like ton of other actors in snowy movies..but you say he is excellent because of the direction of the movie and the budget they spent to shoot..director is the key about how the movie shapes and the nominations...same performance in a straight to video movie would feel like "yeah whatever" kind of performance. Its called perception.
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Re: Just how overrated is Dicaprio ? and his parallels with Chris Nola
I think DiCaprio is one of the very best and certainly one of the most charismatic actors of his generation. He's in the process of building one of the most impressive filmographies of all time, while giving financial opportunities to the most talented directors of our times.
If this is all somehow the result of some very clever "marketing technique" (or "evil conspiracy" as you make it sound), then I'm totally on board. I'm buying! |
Originally Posted by DocHoliday (Post 1888643)
I've never heard ANY educated film buff call Leo a top 10 all time actor, let alone THE greatest.
I'm sure some teeny boppers, and people who know nada about movies feel that way, but they don't count. We're talking about people who probably think that Avengers Civil War is the greatest film ever made. Their opinions are irrelevant. DiCaprio is a fine actor, and has a lot of ability. But is he among the very best actors in history? No, and he is overrated by anyone who feels that way. It's fun. |
Originally Posted by Cobpyth (Post 1888951)
I think DiCaprio is one of the very best and certainly one of the most charismatic actors of his generation. He's in the process of building one of the most impressive filmographies of all time, while giving financial opportunities to the most talented directors of our times.
If this is all somehow the result of some very clever "marketing technique" (or "evil conspiracy" as you make it sound), then I'm totally on board. I'm buying! |
Originally Posted by aronisred (Post 1888979)
But to me my decision of an great actor is someone who overcame hurdles in taking on roles that are completely unexpected and challenging and not someone who has everything handed to him in silver platter after titanic.
I agree he's not the greatest actor ever but he's a very weird person to target when there's so many worse actors regularly working. Also i wouldn't really call him a Box Office Star, Titanic and Inception are really the only blockbusters he has been in, if anything he's stayed away from that side of the business since Titanic and taken work in more prestigious drama's. |
Re: Just how overrated is Dicaprio ? and his parallels with Chris Nola
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I gotta say, I don't really "get" arguments that are basically just people stating their opinions to each other, or stating their opinions over and over, or where every response is just sort of uncharitably telling people why they think something, usually without any knowledge of the person.
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Originally Posted by Camo (Post 1888980)
How do you think he got Titanic? He proved himself with films like The Basketball Diaries, This Boy's Life and What's Eating Gilbert Grape?, all impressive performances and pretty challenging roles.
I agree he's not the greatest actor ever but he's a very weird person to target when there's so many worse actors regularly working. Also i wouldn't really call him a Box Office Star, Titanic and Inception are really the only blockbusters he has been in, if anything he's stayed away from that side of the business since Titanic and taken work in more prestigious drama's. As for staying away from blockbusters that only appeals to revenant..which to me is his least box office friendly movie...rest of his movies just has a different blockbuster model...wolf,departed etc..are all Oscar prestige movies but with blockbuster characteristics..instead of summer..they are put out in Oscars season..but they appeal to broader audience..a prime example how those movies can go wrong are j.edgar, gold, hostiles,out of the furnace..all these movies are supposed to capture broad zeitgeist during oscar season but didnt pick up the steam.So all his movies except revenant are blockbuster type movies...but they just have different marketing models. HIs role in shutter island is no different from ethan hunt in mission impossible..its just dicaprio with a different name in different location and costumes...just like its tom cruise with different name and profession. As for him getting titanic role..his pre titanic roles were challenging for his age but after titanic he stopped taking risks not just by not working with young filmmakers(which i understand given the budgets of those movies) but he stopped taking risks even in roles..all of them are dicaprio angry and instense with different hairstyles,facial hair,costumes and settings..there is no difference between his performance in revolutionary road and shutter island and inception and even great gatsby..some of these are great movies but he is just surrounded by excellent filmmaking..he is just riding the coattails. |
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 1888993)
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I gotta say, I don't really "get" arguments that are basically just people stating their opinions to each other, or stating their opinions over and over, or where every response is just sort of uncharitably telling people why they think something, usually without any knowledge of the person.
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Originally Posted by aronisred (Post 1888999)
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Who are great actors in your opinion? You ignored Citizen's question earlier. |
Originally Posted by aronisred (Post 1889000)
but its fun..to elaborate on a point of view which most people choose to ignore like housing bubble until it burst open.
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Originally Posted by Camo (Post 1889005)
Okay, i think you're just repeating your opinions, that's fine, i don't agree but i can't be bothered going around in circles about something i really don't care about.
Who are great actors in your opinion? You ignored Citizen's question earlier. |
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 1889010)
Yeah, DiCaprio's overacting is clearly a threat to middle-class debt-to-equity ratios.
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I know there’s no real point in arguing this anymore but it irks me; Leo isn’t a risk taker? What do Django Unchained, Wolf of Wall Street, The Revenant and even that Manson movie he’s making with Tarantino seem like to you?
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Originally Posted by aronisred (Post 1889024)
they are just similar in terms of "people ignoring the obvious as long as they get what they want"
Anyway, I don't really see most of these replies as "expounding" on anything. They mostly just seem like a reiteration of your opinion. Which, again, is all yours. Enjoy having it. But I don't see a lot of substantive back-and-forth happening here. The stuff where you basically psychoanalyze people who disagree based on nothing other than their reaction to a particular actor, and purport to tell them why they actually like him strikes me as especially unfair and unproductive. |
Originally Posted by aronisred (Post 1889023)
.according to me christian bale and Daniel day Lewis are great actors.. and they are exact opposites of DiCaprio...
It seems like twice a year or so, there will be a thread from someone who really, really, really, dislikes DiCaprio...and it always seems like an obsession to me, more than just a critique of his acting abilities. I mean there are actors I don't like but I don't drag out a soapbox to loudly proclaim it. So I'm guessing it's not DiCaprio's acting that you don't like, but something about his personality that rubs you the wrong way. Am I right? |
Originally Posted by Saunch (Post 1889027)
I know there’s no real point in arguing this anymore but it irks me; Leo isn’t a risk taker? What do Django Unchained, Wolf of Wall Street, The Revenant and even that Manson movie he’s making with Tarantino seem like to you?
Watch this video he explains it pretty clearly - search it on youtube unpopular opinion leonardo dicaprio Budget wise they are risks but in terms of making a good movie they are not risks...scorsese can direct movie like wolf of wallstreeet in his sleep. Quentin tarantino script directed by himself ..are you kidding me ?? its gonna be a oscar player 100%..revenant made by winner of last year oscar..are you kidding me ?? of course its gonna be oscar player. Risk taking to me is the big short by adam mckay...christian bale took risk by choosing to work with this comedy director on a serious subject thats a risk...chrisitan bale choosing to work with christipher nolan on batman begins , this guy who only made low budget movies art house movies like memento etc. after batman and robin is a risk...doing exodus gods and kings ( a failure) after ridley scott made the counselor and hasnt made a good movie in few years and even the story of the movie is pretty radical ..thats risk...not what leo is doing...he is being handed these opportunities in a silver platter...Leo is cast in manson movie because quentin tarantino wanted 100 million for the movie..so producers needs starpower to make the movie..not talent..they need art house prestige picture starpower. Risk taking is not wanting your to fail. All the directors at the time he worked with them are almost batting close to 100%..so any fool can blindly work with them.Even his roles are not risks.His only risky role was whats eating gilberts grapes. Risky role to me is muscular batman christian bale playing drug addicted loud mouthed dicky eklund in the fighter. Not the same guy who shouted in boston streets in the departed and revolutionary road shouting again in wallstreet in wolf of wallstreet. Ohh man you think those movies are risks ??? then what do you call playing overweight con artist in american hustle?? or hedge fund manager on spectrum in the big short ? or risking everything by playing a serial killer in highly controversial american psycho ? |
Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 1889048)
Christian Bale, is better than DiCaprio? I'd say they're on par. I happen to like both.
It seems like twice a year or so, there will be a thread from someone who really, really, really, dislikes DiCaprio...and it always seems like an obsession to me, more than just a critique of his acting abilities. I mean there are actors I don't like but I don't drag out a soapbox to loudly proclaim it. So I'm guessing it's not DiCaprio's acting that you don't like, but something about his personality that rubs you the wrong way. Am I right? |
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 1889031)
That's a pretty weird analogy, since in order for it to make sense you have to imagine that people have some weird need to think he's a good actor, and are somehow tricking themselves into enjoying his performances.
Anyway, I don't really see most of these replies as "expounding" on anything. They mostly just seem like a reiteration of your opinion. Which, again, is all yours. Enjoy having it. But I don't see a lot of substantive back-and-forth happening here. The stuff where you basically psychoanalyze people who disagree based on nothing other than their reaction to a particular actor, and purport to tell them why they actually like him strikes me as especially unfair and unproductive. |
Re: Just how overrated is Dicaprio ? and his parallels with Chris Nola
I think it kinda is dismissing someone's opinion to tell them why they hold it, or to assume they hold it because they're being tricked.
But I'll certainly grant you've been mostly civil in the disagreement apart from that, so thanks. :) |
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