Sorta related (in a Joss Whedon sorta way), but do any of y'all who watch Buffy like the show Firefly? I have become a huge fan of it, even though there are ony 13 episodes....oh, and 268 days left till the movie "Serenity"!!!! wicked cool show, though. Joss Whedon set up a really great backstory and a great premise for the show and then it got unfairly cancelled. (but hey, Nathan Fillion, who played the show's anti-hero, got to play Caleb on the last year of Buffy and poke xander's eye out...ewwwwwwww. lol...originally, he was supposed to actually kill xander, but Joss Whedon protested so loudly that Xander got off with just losing an eye.)

yeh i thought it was about time something nasty happened to xander, i mean buffy's died twice now and Willow's been all over the place, so Xander got a poke in the eye

Sorry... I feel really stupid asking this, but what is "serenity"??

Serenity is the movie being written and directed by Joss Whedon, based on the TV show "Firefly!" If it's a success, he's promised fans two more, and a "Firefly" comic book is in the works at Dark Horse who published the Buffy comics!!! :) :) :) :) :)

Wow, sounds pretty cool! I wonder why they didn't just call it "Firefly." But still, awesome.

Joss Whedon is my God.

I am a huge "Firefly" fan. I never missed it when it was on and I bought the dvd collection.

The movie was better then the show........ But the show was good (for the first few seasons anyway)

I kinda wish they'd call it "The Big Damn Movie."
"Look like we got here just in the nick of time. What does that make us?"
"Big damn heroes, sir."

When Firefly was on the air, I caught a few episodes here and there and each one seemed to get better and better--the big story elements were coming together, the actors seemed much more comfortable with the dialogue and their characters, etc. Then I found out they were showing them out of order (bastard Fox bastards) and then I found out it was cancelled (see earlier parenthetical, add another "bastard").

But, I have to say, even then I wasn't devastated. I thought, "Well, it could've been great, but it wasn't as good as other Whedon shows that shall remain nameless. Buffy." And then, brothers and sisters, I borrowed the divids from a friend of mine... which seems to be my eternal lot in life, borrowing DVDs... and watched them all, in order, over the course of two days.

That was when I got pissed. What's terrible is that Joss had to have the poor timing to bring a show that is excellently done but... dum dum dum... costs money to make into the reality-show-soaked era of television in which we currently live. They could make five two-hour specials of "When Horrible Things Happen to Stupid People" for the cost of one episode of Firefly, and the execs know what's gonna make 'em more money.

So, goodbye, beloved space western. May you come back to TV land once upon a more enlightened time... and until then, we'll have a damn good time watching the movie and making sure Joss gets enough money to send his kid to college and to create another big damn show.

Yeah, I am a serious Firefly fan, I like it better than i like Angel, even. I found the whole premise to be just amazingly complex for a tv show, the special effects were really well done, and the characters were dead on. I can't wait for the movie...and the comic....and the other two movies.....and the very good possibility that the show will be picked up by a different network should the movie be a success. (or so says the god of TV, also known as Joss Whedon)

Favorite Firefly line:

Mal: "They say you should never hit a man with a closed fist, but sometimes it's hilarious."

More favorites... bear with me on less-than-precise wordings, as I, of course, do not OWN the DVD set :( ...

"Ah! Curse you and your sudden yet inevitable betrayal!"

Jayne reads aloud from Simon's journal:
"'Dear diary... Today I was pompous and my sister acted crazy. Then we got captured by hill folk and were never to be seen again. It was the best day ever.'"

"I understand. Take me, sir. Take me hard."

"You've only got to scare him."
"Pain is scary."

"I wanna go to the crappy town where I'm a hero."

"Oh, don't worry, honey--he makes everyone cry. He's like a monster."

This one may actually be my favorite line, though...

"Did he just... go crazy and fall asleep?"

My all time favorite line, actually:

JAYNE: “You know what the chain of command is? It’s the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who’s in ruttin’ command here!”

Jayne's got some great ones.

"Well, if wishes were horses, we'd all be eatin' steak."

:D

can someone give me a really brief (im lazy spice) description of Firefly, i wanna kno what all the hoo ha is about?

All I know is that it's Sci-Fi... Sorry.

I've dragged up the Whedon topic to inform that for people like me deeply disappointed by the lack of Angel, that he and Spike live on after Not Fade Away! Albeit in comic form.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/597/597947p1.html

Gotta love the Angel puppet. As a note, I saw people talking about Jayne, and interestingly (to me anyway) Adam Baldwin's note from Joss when he was playing Hamilton on Angel was "The Anti-Jayne".

I've read the first two issues so far. good stuff. Spike won't appear in this initial story, it's a solo Angel story, but he will reappear in a Spike one-shot that tells about his origins as a vampire, plus the connection between Halifrek and Cecily, Spike's would be love when he was a human. Then he'll be in the Angel comic.

Well. So. I just finished the seventh season of Buffy and this thread was my only comfort. 150 or so episodes later, I have to say: that was an awesome tv show. I started watching it because years ago I dated a guy whose daughters were way into it. And although I've lost touch with them, I'm glad that they had that sort of tv role model - beat the hell out of Suzanne Sommers in 3's Company. Buffy was a brilliant character, and I like what they did with the character, and the supporting characters, over those seven seasons. TV has a new standard.

Delilah, I suppose you own all the episodes my correct? Or not.

I own none of them.
I caught the whole series on dvd through Netflix.

ok, hands up who thinks buffy loves spike over angel?

I think she loved Angel over Spike. Spike screwed things up in many ways, and trusting him would be impossible. I liked Spike at the end, though. Once he got his soul back (and got over that bout of the crazies), he was pretty cool.

Obviously Angel.

I've been a fan since day one, I've got the DVDS, the magazines, the novels, the comic books...so on and so forth.

good im not alone. buffy clearly loves angel and always will, even spike knew it in the end

But didn't she walk away from both of them in Angel season 5? I don't think either of them end up with her.

watch the end of season 7 again and its clear who she loves....

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Not quite sure if you are willing to spend $$$$$, but if you would want to own all the episodes (by any chance) stop by here. It's basically the only place you will find it since it's discontinued.

yeah really dont have the dinero for that
my best friend has the entire collection at home as well as the complete ANGEL series, my own little rental store

Perfecto. ;)

That's about $1.36 per episode... not too bad. It's backordered since the end of March there.

Also found it for $5 less, used on Amazon.

Still though, $200 for tv I've seen already... :/

Anything used I never buy. I won't take the chance. :nope:

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Am I the only one who thinks that S3 is the weakest of the classic years (i.e. pre-S6)?

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Sounds about right to me. I've heard people speak ill of the 6th (the dark season) but I thought that was awesome.

Have you heard about the comic book Whedon's working on? :D It's working-titled "Season 8", I believe.

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It is one of my favorite seasons, but that is probably because that is when I picked the show up and really got into it. Hard to pick a weak season, but I would have to say season 1 and season 7 are my least favorite, even though I loved the whole Caleb arc in 7. I just hated the slayer-ettes. As far as the weakest episodes... I would think Season four clocks in with stuff like Beer Bad. I loved Six. I miss Anya :(

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I thought that season 3 was one of the best, actually. Season 4 is not good, though it has a few stand out episodes.

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I got all the Season on DVD for £15 each and rewatched them all around Xmas and I'm with Sedai; Season 7 and 1 are probably weakest. 7 got too tacky and had no real direction, got the impression they set up the First Evil thinking it was a good idea then realised they didn't know how to finish it, thank god for Nathan Fillion. Season 1 was more episodic and bit too 90s and the characters weren't fully realised. Season 2 was when the foundations were really laid i think, Season 3 was good with Faith and Angel, Season 4 and the Initiative was pretty cool. Season 5 was always least memorable but after rewatching there's a lot to enjoy in it, Riley became tired but they worked his character quite well i thought. Season 6 was really fun (The Trio) and a great potential finish to the franchise with Willow and Zander's character archs.

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I really thought the comedy in 5 was great... The underlings of Glorificus always had me rolling...

I still miss Anya :(

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Wow, you're wrong! It's the best. I've always thought it was the best year. It's when the show really hit top gear. I stopped short of saying matured, because it did that towards the end of 2, but as a whole, everything about S3 was better, that is to say, the characters, character development, plot, guest characters, individuals and thematically.

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I think S3 has some of the best individual episodes (Doppelgangland, Enemies etc.)...but the Buffy/Angel romance in this season is too much to sit through sometimes. Plus, I like Spike and he's barely in this season.

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I think it has one of the worst structured story arcs. It was their first attempt at having one overflowing arc throughout the 22 episodes (the Angelus thing from S2 is more of a mini-arc) and I don't think it quite worked. I know that many don't love S4 but I always felt that was the first one to have a brilliantly structured arc that truly felt like they planned it all from the beginning. Right from the end of the first episode, "The Freshmen", you see members of the Initiative appear. I loved how S4 put little clues like that throughout the season. You really got the feeling that the writers knew where it was going.

S3, though, didn't feel like that. I found it far too fragmented. I think it may be because of Faith, who we know is going to play a big part, and yet she kept disappearing in between episodes. And there's the fact that we thought Mr. Trick was going to be the Big Bad but then they dumped him half-way through, I think. S3 also had these overlong character arcs that didn't quite seem to go anywhere. The reason why is, I think, they were planning on moving Cordelia to Angel next year and so they had to make her split up with Xander. So they came up with the Xander/Willow thing that lasted about four or five episodes but got in the way of the main arc. What was also annoying is, after that event, Cordelia was reduced back to her S1 self. After "Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered", the character of Cordelia seemed to develop, but after splitting p with Xander, she went back to normal. Fortunately, they began working on her character again on Angel. They also had to bring Angel back from the dead, so he can also have his own show, but he spends the majority of the season not really doing anything, like Cordelia.

I also didn't like "Graduation Day Part 2". I think that's one of the weakest season finales they've done. And so, because it's the last episode, you remember that more clearly than the others. I think that when you're underwhelmed with the last episode of a season, you tend to not think that highly of the season overall, like a great movie with a bad ending. That and "The Prom" (also very near the end) are the two weakest episodes, but the rest of S3 is nothin gbut great episodes. It just doesn't work as one whole season.

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well, great points, Nexus, and, I have to agree about the cohesiveness of the season. I do tend to look at the season on an episodic basis, and I guess I just don't mind the lack of a tight season-wide arc...

I did like four, but felt it contained some of the worst episodes of the series. The finale of four was stellar, though, in it's Lynchian trappings... Love me some Restless....

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Ok, Ok, there's a major problem here. First of all, they started dropping clues for the whole Mayor storyline in Season 2. Second of all, while 3 was not the most cohesive, if you think that the arc in 4 was better structured then you must need to stop taking your welbutrin prescription or something because completely contrary to your opinion, it felt so painfully obvious to me that they changed their minds about what was going to happen in that year about three or four times. Right up until the final episode, and if you go and look at the production notes, among other things you'll notice that when they wrote that big fight that the gang had at the end of the Yoko Factor, they (the writers) had completely forgotten that they hadn't decrypted the discs revealing the location of Adam's lab and had to go back and add all thisstuff about them realising Spike was playing them, completly taking the sting out of any realisation the group had drifted. So in fact, they had no idea where it was going.

Now that having been said, the complaint you have with S3 feeling fragmented because it was more episodic and Faith wouldn't be there every time? I actually kinda liked that. Well to begin with, it point about Faith not always being there was that she wasn't that close to Buffy or any of the others which is what ultimately makes her more easily alienated. But I like the fact that it wasn't just the same thing every week, that something new happened if you will. If we flash forward to S5/S6/S7, you know what? It just got dull beyond a certain point. Though of course, there were other reasons for that which I'll get to later. But it was partly due to the fact the plot, well, plodded and got dragged out and on and on.

I don't know why you think Mr Trick would be the big bad, but it was certainly a jolt that he got killed off earlier than one might expect; That was good. Of course, he could have been so much more, but it kept you on your toes.

Overlong character arcs? I have no idea what you're attempting to refer to other than possibly the thing with the Buffy/Angel stuff and Angel not doing much which I will concede to you on. I got a kick out of it, cause I've always loved watching doomed relationships attempt to develop (I'm sick that way) but I can sure see why it would annoy people. But re: Cordelia, she did get cheated on and impaled. I'd be pretty pissed, wouldn't you? It's not like she was that the whole time; When called on, she still contributed to the group. I don't understand your complaint about the sub plots distracting from the main plot. First of all, the main plot hadn't hit top gear yet, second is the simple fact that if nothing else is going in these peoples lives, well thats kinda dull, no? The characters were at their most likeable during this season and felt relatable, something missing from them just about every subsequent season.

Graduation Part 2 was great - Hey, I thought it was better than the season 1, 5, 6 or 7. Obviously, 2 was the best finale and well I wouldn't put it above or behind 4. They're of different ilk. And I loved the Prom. I loved its maturity, I loved it subtlety. I guess I just look at the whole thing from an entirely different perspective than you. When it comes down to it, I look at a season, I don't look at how it flows or whatever artistic concerns, I look at how much fun I had watching and how entertained I was. So we'll have to agree to disagree. I know I just rambled on without actually making any real point, I kind of got lost and distracted by football stuff halfway through typing it, so I think the only part that probably is relevant is that last bit... :D

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Funny, I never noticed the thing about "The Yoko Factor". I do agree that the plot dragged in S5 (I don't remember 6 and 7 that well) and I think it's because they introduced Glory too early. It always bothered me how they spent almost an entire season making Glory do nothing but wonder what/where the Key is. The story arc was definitely too stretched out with that one. Which is one of the reasons why I like S4 - Adam wasn't introduced until half way through and they kept dropping clues and stuff. Even if the writers didn't know what they were doing with S4, you (or, at least, I did) always got the feeling that they've got it all planned out, I think.

You make a good point about Cordelia, though it bothers me how she just became almost a minor character like that. The Bangel stuff actually doesn't bother me at all, in fact S3 was the first season that I really liked Angel's character. He always struck me as uninteresting before, though I loved Angelus in S2 and so when he came back, I started to like him all of a sudden. It does feel like both Cordelia and Angel are just hanging around to wait for Angel, the show, though.

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The kids and I recently finished watching the entire series. It was great fun to do.

We all loved the musical show.

I enjoyed the extras where the writers try to explain the things they did that I HATED and explain how brilliant and perfect those plots were.

These things were easier to take through the kids eyes and the second time around.

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Any1 like the Buffy comic besides me? Me likey much-much!

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I just read all of the ones that are out, about two weeks ago. Good stuff and I'm totally thrilled to see what goes on with the characters, post season seven. Also totally loving the Jo Chen cover art.

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*bump*

Just finished this fantastic series. All my life I turned away from it just based on his sort of goofy premise and title but after being talked into watching the first two season by my brother I was hooked. I watched it constantly for three months until I saw it all.

I just finished with the finale and will be moving on to Angel shortly.

Just wondering if any of the newer or older members are fans and want to discuss some Buffy

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I love Buffy. I miss it though the last season (and a few others) weren't much to my taste. I'd love to discuss the show!

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Starting a Buffy thread was recently brought up in the Lost thread. I didn't know that this thread already existed. I am going to do a rewatch of all seasons probably starting tommorow. If anyone wants to join me, I'd love the company.

I didn't think I'd like Buffy either, but I got hooked and it ended up being my favorite show.

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Yeah it really was like a hidden gem and even after 7 years didn't lose its ability to surprise me and be consistently interesting and well written.
The high points of the series for me was seasons 2,3,5 and 7. The 6th I was torn with, it had some really good episodes and story lines but also some stuff I was getting really bored with like they stayed on Buffy's losing her will to be alive for too long.

Seasons 1 and 4 also had some real good episodes like The Pack in 1 and Hush in 4 but for the most part the main story arcs and villains weren't all that well done. plus Riley is a punk

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It really was a great show, I tell anyone who will listen about it. I would agree with you about season 4 and yet it also gave me My favorite episode. "Primeval" is without a doubt for me the day that Buffy became a heavy weight show. Up until that point Buffy was so alone and really always was, sure she had her "Scooby's" that would help out but for the most part she was on her own. But "Primeval" was spectacular!

"You can never hope to grasp the source of our power. But yours is right here."

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Riley was the only character I couldn't stand. I think season 3 may be my favorite.

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Yea season 3 by far is my favorite the duel slayer storyline was just done so well and faith was a great counterpart for Buffy. Just showing there isn't one way to be a slayer. My only gripe was the lack of Spike but we get plenty of him in the seasons after so its alright.

Riley wasn't even that intolerable in season 4 I sort of liked his story of everything he believed in ended being shady and evil but it was Season 5 when he was just turned into a whiny unneeded character. But watching Angel kick his ass was always great

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S7 hasta be my favourite, cause every ep made my brain explode. In a good, funny/sad way.


And Crazy Spike?


Hell(mouth) yes!

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You guys are making me want to dig my seasons out again...

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Join us . . . . .joiiiiiiin us . . . . .

"Get outta my brain!"

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Spike [as Rachel, falsetto]: How can I thank you, you mysterious, black-clad, hunk of a night thing?

Spike [as Angel, basso]: No need, little lady, your tears of gratitude are enough for me. You see, I was once a bad-ass vampire, but love and a pesky curse defanged me. Now I'm just a big, fluffy puppy with bad teeth. [Rachel sways closer to Angel; he steps back, warding her off with his hands.] No, not the hair! Never the hair!

Spike [as Rachel]: But there must be some way I can show my appreciation.

Spike [as Angel]: No, helping those in need's my job. And working up a load of sexual tension and prancing away like a magnificent poof is truly thanks enough!

Spike [as Rachel]: I understand. I have a nephew who's gay, so...

Spike [as Angel]: Ah. Say no more. Evil's still afoot ... and I'm almost out of that nancy-boy hair gel that I like so much. Quickly! To the Angelmobile — AWAY!

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I was in shock over Joyce's death and that episode was so well constructed. The use of no score shows that it was ahead of its time, and people are catching on now with films like No Country.

One of my all time favourite shows, I think it was the first one in which I had to be home on those nights to watch it. I was so in love with Buffy.

The weakest season was definitely with Warren, Jonathan and Andrew as the bad guys.

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But do you think it was the weakest because The Geek Trio were the bad guys?

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I agree that it was done well and also that SMG really showed her acting chops. I lost it when she called Joyce, "Mommie"

I also thought that how Anya's character reacts to the whole thing was nicely written.

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If you don't mind me answering the question as well, partly yes. After all that Buffy and the Scoobies had fought and been through, I thought they made pretty silly nemesis. I mean they certainly weren't the Mayor, Faith, or Glory.

Also, it seems to me that this is the season where the writing really isn't as strong as seasons prior. I didn't like the whole "Buffy has to worry about financial matters and have a job now" arc either. I mean I guess it had to be addressed somehow, but I found it distracting and a bit boring. Dealing with the mundane problems of everyday life is not what I loved Buffy for.

Still there was much to love in that season as well. Just not as much for me as the others.:D

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Everything about that episode was just eerie and really well done. When Buffy cracked her moms ribs trying to do CPR I just cringed hoping she would wake up. The short 10 second day dream about her coming back to life was great also then it just instantly brings you back to reality was another awesome touch.

I love how she died of natural causes it just goes to show you that no matter how many powers you have or how much ass you can kick bad stuff will still happen that you can't prevent.


on another note I really liked the trio just some nerdy guys who got carried away. I liked how at first they just wanted money and woman and once they realized what they were trying to do was in fact rape and kill the girl they know they are too far deep to get out. And they may be pretty pitiful villains but I always considered willow the villain of the season even though she doesn't start causing evil until episode 19 or so.

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You could say Willow starts being evil the second she brings Buffy back , like Giles' righteous fury indicates.

The trio were also the funniest badguys, love their reappearance in 7 and it gives Johnathan a fitting climax to his overall arc.

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The whole "flaying" off of the skin was pretty sweet too, seriously, who didn't think that was funny? I don't remember the episodes name but it wasn't long after that that Xander had his big moment with Willow in front of that Statue thing. I though the entire scene was very touching and well done.

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The whole crayon speech was touching and yes I was happy that Xander, the only normal guy, was finally given his chance to shine.

I found that season to be weak because, as it was stated, it wasn't the strongest written. Sure it was funny, one of the funniest seasons, but it just didn't gel with me too much.

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*squirms in seat and raises hand* Oh, oh, another Buffy fan here!

This is the only TV show I own and it took me a year to gather all seven seasons. I've seen them all at least twice and some many many times (Once More with Feeling.)

Season 4 gets a bad rap from most fans, me included. But when I really think about it, it's actually a brilliant season. For one thing, Riley is Buffy's perfect match. The fans didn't embrace him and Whedon has even commented that he was surprised. But it's obvious that since Buffy is a brilliant show full of metaphors about growing up, Season 4 showed that Buffy hadn't. She still sought out dangerous passion over the easy, comfortable relationship. She and Riley were perfectly suited for a long-term relationship and even marriage but Buffy wasn't ready yet. And the show ended with Buffy not having that relationship -- how many of us have looked back over our lives and wondered about that one relationship we let go of?

And Whedon tackled the idea of a government out of control before our government really did get out of control. The season foreshadowed what we are doing today with terrorism, imo. And now Whedon is tackling that again with his season "8" comic book.

And I think Hush can be argued is one of the most brilliant hours of television. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything so well written and insightful. That ending where they can speak now but they can't. Wow. And the funniest moment ever for me was the scene in the lecture hall with the overheads. I chuckle just thinking about it.

I have a Buffy (season 3) poster in my classroom and my students laugh when I tell them that Buffy is the best TV series ever. I keep hoping they'll discover how great it is when they get older (they're 8th graders).

Another favorite episode is Zeppo. I think it's a tad underrated -- I just love how Zander comes into his own in that episode, even if his insecurities continue to surface through the years. This episode is a great example of how Buffy laughed at itself so well. Buffy was able to create insightful and heart-wrenching episodes yet there was always the wink to the audience that the show knew exactly what it was.

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Riley was ok in season 4, it was in Season 5 that I started to dislike him. He became whiny and irritating, and I was glad to see him go. Plus he never was the intriguing character that Angel was, really. He was kind of bland, and hardly seemed a suitable replacement. Season 4 had the worst big bad out of all the seasons, Adam, which is why it's not as well regarded as any of the others. There are several season 4 eps I like a lot, and it did introduce Tara, who I loved, but on the whole it's just...there.

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Interesting, my least favorite character of all was Tara. There were moments with her that I liked, but overall, the Tara/Willow storyline is my least favorite. I actually like the three stupid guy villians (I LOVE Andrew!) more than Tara/Willow together. (I hope it isn't because they're lesbians...I just didn't like it all.) And while I can respect the Willow/addiction theme that climaxed in season 6, I found it rather overwrought and tiresome.

I agree, Riley did get whiny in Season 5 and I wonder if that was their way to get rid of him. But I do think its rather intriguing to think about the fact that Buffy and Riley were the best match of all her relationships. But let's face it -- Angel and even Spike were much more interesting. But then again, passion always is. ;)

Adam was poor. But I read somewhere that the actress (forgot her name) that played the leader of Riley's group had a disagreement and they needed to kill her off quickly. I think Adam was an afterthought and not the way the season was supposed to go. That's probably why the season fell apart. But I do think the overall theme of the season -- Buffy's loss of identity and the insecurities that befall us when we leave high school and are suddenly thrown into an adult world were communicated rather well in certain episodes. But it's like the overall season didn't jell right.

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I love HUSH and rank it in my top favourite episodes ever. The comical episodes are always fun to watch as well, like when they all had memory loss and Spike thinks his name is Randy and that Giles is his father only because they both have an accent. Too good!!!

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Tabula Rasa (or something like that.) My son and I have watched that episode about 10 times. :laugh:

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Oh man I love that ep TUS!

Ok, A show of Internet Hands, How many of you cried when Buffy was crowned "Class Protector"? That to me is probably my favorite Buffy moment. And for the record I did indeed cry a little bit.

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*raises hand*I cried.

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I sniffled when that happened, but I cried when Buffy died in The Gift and in S7 when Spike tells Buffy he has a soul AND when he gives his hero speech to Buffy at the vineyard and they spend the night together.

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Class protector was touching but I didnt cry.

I do admit that i shed a small tear not really when buffy died in season 5 but right after watching everyones reaction to it cause dme to squirt a tear mostly out of seeing spike balling like a child. Not something you see Spike doing and it showed how much he really cared for buffy that he would just break down like that.

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Class protector scene was indeed emotional....given to her by Future Enemy!!!!!

This show was so far ahead of it's time, how sad was it when Angel turned good at the last minute....but Buffy had to kill him to close the portal!!!!

Seems this thread has risen from the dead, glad to see people are still talking about this show!!!

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another episode I loved was when Faith tries to turn Angel evil again I forget the name of the episode but it was in season 3.

they completely fooled me I really thought Angelus was back and it ended up the demon doing the fake spell got introduced to his wife by Giles.

As cool of a character Angel is I preferred him in season 2 because he was such a badass as the villain. David Boreanaz is great its a complete change he goes through between the first couple of episodes of season 2 and after the change in Innocence

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Here's a little blurb from Joss on Friday from Sci-fi wire:

Damn that Joss, every couple of months he comes out and says something like this and then the entire Buffyverse gets all twitterpated and nothing ever happens. Oh well, just thought I'd pass my angst onto you. :p

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I wish he'd kick that spoiler habit...

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A musical Buffy on Broadway would be awesome! And you could get away with a new cast maybe....

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Yeah it's funny to me that Gellar still seems to think that she can't sing. And while I didn't think she was terrific, she wasn't terrible. I've seen a few different times Gellar saying she thought she was awful but I didn't think so. Or, maybe she just only wants to be in films. Who knows with actor's and actresses these days.

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oooooh, SCORE. This thread reminded me to go check amazon for the hundredth time for the buffy series, and they had it on sale. With a gift cert, I just got all seven seasons in the box set for $75. woo hooo!

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Yeah, Angel was really cool in S2, especially in that ep "Passion" when he voice-overed. S2 of Angel made him badass too.


Heh . . . . .it's funny cause SMG thinks she's a film actress now and "above" Buffy in some way.

It seems if they would ever do a TV/film in the Buffyverse it'd have to be without SMG which would be . . . .shall we say, tough.

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I honestly don't care much for Gellar, yea she was the main character but nowhere near my favorite character. I think the buffyverse would be fine without her and I'd love another spin off or hell just more buffy seasons with the whole gang minus her would even be awesome. In a perfect world she would come back but you know The Grudge and Scooby Doo escalates you to a level of stardom way above something like Buffy

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I dunno, I think thats been her problem since the show became big and she started getting offers to appear in films. I try to just watch how really great she was in the role and ignore what she's like in real life. That said, I would not want Joss to ever re-cast Buffy if he wanted to do other projects. I love the comic series he's doing, and I'm happy to get my Buffy fix that way. :D

I do think he should make his comic book series Fray into a film, however.

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Passion is one of my favorite episodes in the entire series. A brilliant job, by all involved, and when I knew for sure, I was into this show until it finished its run...

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Me too. And I am so very very very very grateful that Katie Holmes did not get the role. So as far as I am concerned SMG can be as aloof as she wants to be, at least she is not Katie.:D

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yea re-casting Buffy would be a big mistake but just eliminating her character and having a show revolving around all the other characters would work as it was always the supporting cast where I got the most enjoyment out of.

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Xander:The Vampire Slayer
To each generation . . . . .a lovable nerd is born.

Spike:The uh........Vampire
Bloody,blimey,ponce,wanker . . . . .oh God I'm English.

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I always had a crush on SMG. The only time she annoyed me was in the final season when in almost every ep she would rant off on some kind of monologue about being ready for the big battle.

I like the episode in which we follow Andrew and his camera and he makes note of this, at least the creators knew the fans were annoyed and poked fun at themselves.

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Storyteller was a great ep, I always liked it when they focused on a different character for a whole episode. Xander's ones were probably thebest.

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I think Whedon and Co opened up a world of possibilities with the end of the Buffy tv series. They're in no way hamstrung if SMG doesn't want to continue the Slayer role. I can kind of see where she'd want to branch out, even acknowledging that Buffy was a great character for her. No actor wants to be so identified with one character that they can never get work as anyone else. And in seven seasons, she had the opportunity to explore many, many angles of the Buffy character. I think she's a very skilled actress and I hope she finds better projects than The Grudge, soonish.

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I'm a little disappointed I have now seen all the Buffy's but I just started Angel I'm like half way through the first season. So far its interesting and funny but just doesn't have that same feel that Buffy episodes had.

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Wait till you see Firefly. The thread that runs through all these is the witty dialog, humor and creativity. They are all very different shows.

Angel was darker in many ways. There were heavy themes of Dominance and incest in it.

Buffy was lighter in some ways until the season where they dealt with their own demons, essentially ruining some of the characters.

Firefly didn't have long enough to self destruct or deconstruct but it's a kind of western sci fi show not a supernatural one.

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I thought that season 6 deepened the characters, not ruined them. Nobody is perfect, and there comes a time in most people's lives where they go through a lot of bad times and come out the other side better for it. I would say that Buffy, Willow, and especially Spike did come out better people for the hell they went through that year. If you watch all the seasons, Buffy was always a broodier character than she let on, and in season 6 she let the facade drop entirely. It was also a fairly accurate portrayal of what life is like with depression, for which Joss should be commended.

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I can understand why you would see it that. I could see it that way more when I watched it a second time than when it broke my heart the first time I saw it.

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Season 6 wasn't close to my favorite season but I still love it for how daring it was. I think when the show got canceled by WB and picked up by UPN was like a blessing in disguise. UPN let Whedon do a lot more darker and mature things. The 6th season was really something different and took the characters in directions I never expected. All the death and sex was just a big leap compared to earlier buffy.

Plus Whedon said on the dvd that the reason it took him until the 6th season to do a musical episode was because the network wouldn't let him until they went to UPN.

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Buffy quiz up! Give it a shot folks! Is it to easy for you Hard core Buffy fans?

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Damn, 18 out of 20....

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Nice. May I ask which ones you missed?

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I got 17 out of 20.

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I got the Nerf Herder one wrong and I also thought it was 3.