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I like the Harry Potter stuff, but I don't think any of them belong on this list.

Meanwhile, my vote still goes to The Shawshank Redemption, which is just OK, but generally manipulative and lame.

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Fight Club at 12....meh. Entertaining but 12th best of all-time? No way.
Gran Torino at 117...sympathy vote for Clint, maybe? He was good, as usual but overall the acting was horrid in that movie.

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If I look past Pulp Fiction as a bad movie (which for me is very hard to do), it still makes me stop at Fight Club (I can't look past that)

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Not sure if Inception was "legitimately bad", but I found to be mediocre and not worthy of the top 250

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I wanted to say 12 Angry Men, however, because of your specifications, I can't, because it wasn't a bad movie, it was just inexplicably overrated beyond belief.

This is tough because I really do have problems with the placing of some films, though I don't believe they're necessarily bad. Nolan's films, for example, are WAY overplaced, thanks to fanboys pumping them up into the stratosphere. Inception and The Dark Knight, though good films, are especially so.

But to answer the question, for me, I didn't reach a film that I thought was truly "bad" until #133, Sin City. It pains me to say it, as I'm a huge fan of those books and a huge fan of Robert Rodriguez. But Frank Miller's style doesn't work in live action on the big screen. It's just silly and contrived.

If one could sway me into believing that Sin City deserves a spot for its technical achievements alone (which I think have been dwarfed these days by bigger, better movies anyway), then the next "bad" film to me is #235, Shutter Island. I like Leo DiCaprio and Martin Scorsese, and I generally like movies of this tone and feel. But it was overlong, convoluted, and confused.

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Blasphemy.

I've certainly never heard this before, nor regarding any Lumet. How so?

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Movies that shouldn't be on IMDB Top 250: Toy Story & Toy Story 3, Gran Torino, The Apartment, Blade Runner, The Artist, Good Will Hunting, My Neighbor Totoro, How to Train Your Dragon, Grave of the Fireflies.
Later!

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Oh sorry...

I didn't realise internet privileges at the funny farm were restricted.

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I would like to know why you think The Apartment, and Grave of the Fireflies shouldn't be on the list.

12 Angry Men mostly works as drama, but the fact that the kid is so guilty cripples the whole movie. Here's a great article by Mike D'Angelo detailing why the idea of finding him not guilty is fundamentally flawed

http://www.avclub.com/articles/did-1...t-wrong,83245/

And as far as the original question, while there are plenty of mediocre movies all throughout the list I'll go with The Green Mile at #69 as the first legitimately awful one. It's bad. Still crazy inexplicable how Shawshank has held onto that top spot for so long

With so much hate for Shawshank I am also perplexed as to how it's still the number one film on imdb. I'm sure there's a growing number of imdb users who would not hesistate to rate the movie down out of spite.

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That's an interesting A.V. Club article, but I'm not sure it proves what the writer says about 12 Angry Men. For one thing, even though it's not argued in the movie because the introduction of the second switchblade is far more dramatic, I thought the kid could have lost his knife before his father was stabbed, and the murderer found that knife somewhere near his home (or even near the front door) and killed his father with his own knife. To me, that's not nearly so far-fetched, especially if the murderer lived in the area and heard the earlier screaming. Anyway, that's just my two dollars (inflation, ya know?)

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The problem with that is, no matter where the murderer found the knife, he still would have had to have taken it and gone into that particular apartment to kill the father. That's still extremely unlikely. Even if he was from the area and even if he had heard screaming coming from the apartment before - don't know if I buy it. There's the possibility the knife was left in the apartment, though the kid says he lost it on the way to the movie. Anyway, like D'Angelo argues, the truly most damning evidence is the sheer amount of evidence and necessary coincidence

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191. The Princess Bride. I don't know if this movie was supposed to be a spoof of itself or just an adventure film that didn't take itself seriously, but I don't think it succeeds in any genre or subgenre and just comes off as annoying.

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the whole problem with this list is that it only includes people who actually took the time to go on the website at click on a rating. That demographic just happens to like the Shawshank Redemption. I'm pretty sure if you asked anyone what the best movie of all time is, no one would say Shawshank.

+ rep for my NBF. :)

Welcome to the site, SD.

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Grave of the Fireflies is boring and is for kids!
The Apartment is a regular film, that's all...there are many movies like this one.