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SeeingisBelieving 04-30-16 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Steel (Post 1504830)
Hey! I did Ming a couple pages back... complete with photo and everything!
You did – I've put a rep in for you. As Ming's going on my own list I had to put him in there officially as well, along with Klytus. By the way if anyone hasn't seen the Big Train skit on Ming it's highly recommended:p.

Omnizoa 04-30-16 07:58 AM

Re: Favourite Screen Villains
 
Originally Posted by SeeingisBelieving (Post 1505119)
Originally Posted by Omnizoa (Post 1505115)
I really need to see Highlander.
Admit it, you've never seen a film have you:D;)?
No.

SeeingisBelieving 04-30-16 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Omnizoa (Post 1505126)
No.
I remember when I first saw Flash Gordon; talk about a spectacle:).

Iroquois 04-30-16 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by SeeingisBelieving (Post 1505118)
Well it wouldn't have been the same film would it:)? Instead of him going around leering and smecking, and being massively over-the-top, we might have seen something a bit deeper. We see how immortality has affected MacLeod but if all it's done to the Kurgan is make him insane that's a bit boring.
I don't necessarily think that being immortal was what drove the Kurgan insane - if memory serves, what little is learned about the Kurgan's origin is that he was born into a brutal warrior tribe that thrived on carnage. Being immortal simply affords him more opportunities to act out on his evil impulses - if he can survive practically anything and is already a fearsome fighter, then what retribution (short of decapitation) does he have to fear? I realise that complex villains are generally preferable for a number of reasons, but the Kurgan works precisely because of how utterly simple and straightforward his villainy is. He is supposed to represent the worst of the worst when it comes to the immortals and their supernatural level of potential - as a result, he also functions as a dark counterpart to Connor (who is perfectly willing to forget the Game and live as normal a life as possible, even going so far as to befriend other pacifistic immortals like Kastagir). While immortals like Connor or Ramirez dislike being immortal because it prevents them from living ordinary lives, the Kurgan revels in his immortality because it allows him to do whatever he wants. In this context, having him actually be conflicted about his nature and goals wouldn't make the most amount of sense, even if it does grant him some depth as an individual character.

SeeingisBelieving 04-30-16 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1505137)
I don't necessarily think that being immortal was what drove the Kurgan insane - if memory serves, what little is learned about the Kurgan's origin is that he was born into a brutal warrior tribe that thrived on carnage. Being immortal simply affords him more opportunities to act out on his evil impulses - if he can survive practically anything and is already a fearsome fighter, then what retribution (short of decapitation) does he have to fear?
No, I don't. I think he was, to coin a phrase, "always a total b*****d".

Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1505137)
I realise that complex villains are generally preferable for a number of reasons, but the Kurgan works precisely because of how utterly simple and straightforward his villainy is. He is supposed to represent the worst of the worst when it comes to the immortals and their supernatural level of potential - as a result, he also functions as a dark counterpart to Connor (who is perfectly willing to forget the Game and live as normal a life as possible, even going so far as to befriend other pacifistic immortals like Kastagir). While immortals like Connor or Ramirez dislike being immortal because it prevents them from living ordinary lives, the Kurgan revels in his immortality because it allows him to do whatever he wants. In this context, having him actually be conflicted about his nature and goals wouldn't make the most amount of sense, even if it does grant him some depth as an individual character.
Yeah, it works in that way, but there's a danger of it just being too ludicrous, which is obviously what Brown was concerned about.

Iroquois 04-30-16 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by SeeingisBelieving (Post 1505139)
No, I don't. I think he was, to coin a phrase, "always a total b*****d".
Exactly what part of my post prompted a response of "No, I don't"? From a grammatical/structuring viewpoint, that is.

SeeingisBelieving 04-30-16 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1505141)
Exactly what part of my post prompted a response of "No, I don't"? From a grammatical/structuring viewpoint, that is.
The first part of it, where you said you didn't think immortality was what drove him insane – I could have split the paragraph up I suppose. Sue me:D!

Iroquois 04-30-16 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by SeeingisBelieving (Post 1505139)
Yeah, it works in that way, but there's a danger of it just being too ludicrous, which is obviously what Brown was concerned about.
An understandable concern, I suppose, but this is Highlander we're talking about. Being ludicrous is part of the charm, and it'd only drive home just how much of a gulf there is between Connor and the Kurgan. That being said, it would be interesting to see how those themes would work in a reboot - as much as I like Highlander, I figure it could actually be in need of a proper re-imagining.

Originally Posted by SeeingisBelieving (Post 1505142)
The first part of it, where you said you didn't think immortality was what drove him insane – I could have split the paragraph up I suppose. Sue me:D!
Yeah, I see that you have edited it now.

SeeingisBelieving 04-30-16 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 1505143)
An understandable concern, I suppose, but this is Highlander we're talking about. Being ludicrous is part of the charm, and it'd only drive home just how much of a gulf there is between Connor and the Kurgan. That being said, it would be interesting to see how those themes would work in a reboot - as much as I like Highlander, I figure it could actually be in need of a proper re-imagining.
Yeah, weren't they supposed to be doing a reboot? It seems to have fizzled out.

WSSlover 04-30-16 12:00 PM

I read the various favorite movie villains on this thread with much interest and entertainment, and it motivated me to add afew more of my own favorite movie villains in addition to the ones I've already posted on here. They're as follows, and, again, in no particular order:

Wizard of Oz; The Wicked Witch of the West. Margaret Hamilton knocked it out of the park with her role in that one.

Fantasia--Night on Bald Mountain: Chernabog! Boy, was he fantastic!!

Fantasia--Rite of Spring: The Tyrannosaurus Rex, though I don't know why!

Cinderella--The Wicked Stepmother: Oooh, she was really something The two wicked stepsisters are right in line with the stepmother!

Omnizoa 04-30-16 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by WSSlover (Post 1505179)
Fantasia--Rite of Spring: The Tyrannosaurus Rex, though I don't know why!
I know why, it's that horrifying string and brass section!


Ange1e4e5 05-01-16 08:09 PM

Re: Favourite Screen Villains
 
This might be a blast from the past: Doyle Lonnegan (The Sting).

"The name's Lonnegan. Doyle Lonnegan. You're gonna remember that Mr. Shaw, or you're going to get yourself another game. You follow?"

Ange1e4e5 05-01-16 08:15 PM

Re: Favourite Screen Villains
 
Man, I like Robert Shaw as a villain; I got three of his characters on my list: Donald "Red" Grant, Doyle Lonnegan, and Mr. Blue.

Ange1e4e5 05-01-16 08:18 PM

Re: Favourite Screen Villains
 
Ra's al Ghul (Batman Begins).

TONGO 05-01-16 08:20 PM

Re: Favourite Screen Villains
 
Well heck we should say Angel Eyes from The Good The Bad and The Ugly. Pretty sure that was his best villain part.

Ange1e4e5 05-01-16 08:22 PM

Re: Favourite Screen Villains
 
That was Lee Van Cleef, not Robert Shaw.

drjones 05-01-16 08:39 PM

Hans Gruber(Alan Rickman) Die Hard 1988

nerdy_norah 05-01-16 09:02 PM

Re: Favourite Screen Villains
 
I have a secret love (Well not so secret anymore...)

Mr Freeze - Batman and Robin (1997)

Ange1e4e5 05-04-16 08:21 AM

Re: Favourite Screen Villains
 
Professor Umbridge (Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix). Even though she's not a Death Eater, she's considered worse than Voldemort because it's much more likely to meet someone like her in real life, someone who abuses their power over others.

Omnizoa 05-05-16 01:01 AM

Re: Favourite Screen Villains
 
Originally Posted by Ange1e4e5 (Post 1507455)
Professor Umbridge (Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix). Even though she's not a Death Eater, she's considered worse than Voldemort because it's much more likely to meet someone like her in real life, someone who abuses their power over others.
YES! Definitely Umbridge.

Amidst Voldemort, Beatrix, Cornelius, Snape and all the other bad guys, UMBRIDGE is the one that begs to be strangled until the lights go out.



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