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allthatglitters
11-19-04, 01:41 AM
Due to the recent influx (or so it seems) of spammers and those one time posters who post a thread asking some stupid question I have an idea. Well, actually it's not my idea, I stole it from another board I am at. What if there had to be a number of posts for a newbie before they could post a new thread? Nothing drastic, but like 10 or 15. Then instead of getting annoying threads that are often very vague and trivial, there could be a thread specifically for those movie questions that could be pinned at the top of the General Movie Discussion section. Just an idea, but does it seem reasonable or am I just being irritable and annoyed:?
Anonymous Last
11-19-04, 02:13 AM
That is a good idea.
Only I wouldn't be able to see Holden give the right answer to the question and then watch him tell the n00b to go screw him/herself in a Holden kind of way.
Plus I think Yoda needs the lightsaber practice.
But I think it's a very good idea.
Once again The voice of reason comes through from a real mofo
That's a pretty good idea. Now, it would lessen the site's appeal for people who have a question about a movie or a song, but then again, getting rid of those threads would certainly better for the rest of the discussions going on.
Anyone else feel like weighing in? I think this might be something worth doing, but could use a few more opinions.
Caitlyn
11-19-04, 10:56 AM
Sounds like a good idea and it might even help cut down on some of the duplicate threads as well… but what about a sub forum where newbies/one-timers could ask their movie/song questions... (so Holden doesn't get rusty… ;) )
Sinny McGuffins
11-19-04, 11:04 AM
I think you should definately do it.
Anonymous Last
11-19-04, 11:07 AM
but what about a sub forum where newbies/one-timers could ask their movie/song questions... (so Holden doesn't get rusty… ;) )
Yeah!
When I read that, there was a beautiful musical hum in my head...honest.
MyRobotSuit
11-19-04, 02:00 PM
Nooo! I'd have nobody to make fun of :(
2wrongs
11-19-04, 02:02 PM
Only I wouldn't be able to see Holden give the right answer to the question and then watch him tell the n00b to go screw him/herself in a Holden kind of way.
:yup:
Otherwise, it's a good idea.
I think it's a bad idea. I think it is retarded when a forum limits when a person can post. It turns it into a group of elitists, which is bull****. I needed to find an answer to a question yesterday and I knew a bunch of people at a certain forum would know what it was, but you had to be a registered member for 5 days. Screw that crap.
It doesn't take much effort to delete/ignore the problematic threads anyway and it reduces the amount of members who may only come to ask a question and leave and there really isn't anything wrong with that, in my mind.
Anonymous Last
11-19-04, 05:05 PM
I think it's a bad idea. I think it is retarded when a forum limits when a person can post. It turns it into a group of elitists, which is bull****. I needed to find an answer to a question yesterday and I knew a bunch of people at a certain forum would know what it was, but you had to be a registered member for 5 days. Screw that crap.
It doesn't take much effort to delete/ignore the problematic threads anyway and it reduces the amount of members who may only come to ask a question and leave and there really isn't anything wrong with that, in my mind.
You take that back!
Just kidding... *running away*
2wrongs
11-19-04, 05:10 PM
OG-
you're so afraid your rights are being infringed apon...
it's endearing.
Let's not try to make this a political thing or I'm going to go have to stomp wildly on some babies.
It would basically discourage new involvement in the site. Hell, they couldn't even start their own introduction thread with that logic.
2wrongs
11-19-04, 05:21 PM
Let's not try to make this a political thing or I'm going to go have to stomp wildly on some babies.
It was a compliment to your angst, not an invitation to turn this thread into a political hoopla. You know me better than that. pft. :p
Anonymous Last
11-19-04, 05:27 PM
One of these days dem babies are gonna' stomp back and yell, "Boo-yahhh!"
SamsoniteDelilah
11-19-04, 05:36 PM
I think it's a good idea. I don't think we really need newbies who are only here to post one question anyway. If they can't Google, who needs 'em? (I mainly said that to up OG-'s blood pressure.) It would slow down the sign-up rate, and if there are repercussions with that, that might be a consideration. And I like the sticky idea, and think GD is the best place, so that it is easily seen by the newbs.
It would also progressively reduce the traffic to the site, which will lower Chris' revenue from advertising. Now I'm sure it won't lower it drastically, but even in that scenario I don't see how it outways one of the moderators clicking a button once a day.
If you want to get rid of those posts without moderator intervention, maybe you (Yoda) could tweak it so that if say 5 people report the same post, it autmoatically gets deleted. That would make it easier for people to have a say in what gets deleted and encourage more poster involvement in the actual maintence of the site.
I only get a notification of bad threads maybe once or twice a month and half the time they come from Holden, so it seems to me like the majority of people are against the noobs in theory, but not in practice and such a solution of limiting when people can post is a scapegoat to a problem that doesn't even really exist.
SamsoniteDelilah
11-19-04, 06:06 PM
There's a way to report bad threads?
Yep, right in between the rep button and the print button. Welcome to MovieForums, noob.
SamsoniteDelilah
11-19-04, 06:11 PM
Yep, right in between the rep button and the print button. Welcome to MovieForums, noob.
Don't think I can't tickle you, long distance...
SamsoniteDelilah
11-19-04, 06:12 PM
I reported you for being a wisearse.
You're in trouble now!!
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Pyro Tramp
11-20-04, 02:37 PM
I think its a good idea, 10 posts isnt a lot, i didnt think i'd be able to start a thread, as i was new, when i first did
allthatglitters
11-20-04, 03:12 PM
But how much good is a one post user going to do to MoFo? It's not like they can't post, and it might make this place actually more appealing if they're were more legit threads versus newbie ones.
I don't want this place to be too much of a clique, but I think we're far, far from that right now, and not really in danger of becoming closed-off by limiting the number of "hey, what's this song called, tell me so I can never come back again" threads. Do they really add much of anything to the site?
The logic behind this is not to save the time of myself or the mods, because, as Peter pointed out, it's really just a few minutes a day, usually. The point would be to reduce clutter and increase the ratio of good-to-bad threads, which could have an immeasurable effect on post quality. This isn't really about spam...it's about raising the level of discussion. And let's face it: devolving levels of discussion is the primary problem for any online community.
Anyway, I'd need to write in exceptions for introductory threads and the like. So here's what I propose (feedback welcomed):
A user must have at least 25 posts to start a new thread in any forum other than Birthdays and Introductions and the forum mentioned in the next bullet point...
...a sub-forum somewhere for threads that consist only of "what's this movie/what's this song" questions. And myself and the mods reserve the right to delete any such thread that is placed in GD. If someone can't be bothered to put a thread in the right forum, they run the risk of not getting the answer they want. Fair, yes?
Here's a vaguely related idea: a special area for all the "best/worst" threads, which fit fine in GD, but are prolific enough to merit some kind of special organization. Not a sub-forum, but maybe something more like the user review threads in the Movie Reviews forum?
Hit me with it. What ya'll think about this?
allthatglitters
11-20-04, 04:00 PM
I think your on another one of your 'improve the forum' kicks again, which is great since we always get awesome stuff to MoFo when you do :)
Obviously I am all for it, but I have a question; How would the best/worst threads be determined? By popular opinion or by the number of posts?
Charismasloverno5
11-20-04, 04:12 PM
It's a good idea, and may encourage new users to stick around.
Pyro Tramp
11-20-04, 04:14 PM
Isn't best/worst threads meaning, top5 and best deaths or greatest fight scenes etc? Anyway, Yoda, i think thats a good idea
allthatglitters
11-20-04, 04:20 PM
Isn't best/worst threads meaning, top5 and best deaths or greatest fight scenes etc?
Thanks for clearing that up for me :blush: That makes alot more sense and is an awesome idea for a sub-forum.
Charismasloverno5
11-20-04, 04:23 PM
I don't really think that top 5 threads are necessary, as how can you limit loads of great ideas into the 5 best?
Limiting the amount of new threads is good in theory, but it alone won't do much for the actual increase of intellectual content on the site. Other things need to be done to get the quality of threads back on track.
I'll sound like a jackass saying this, but I really don't care. Half the posters on here post unfounded opinions on movies simply to post them and then never have the energy to actually back up those opinions. This leads to threads filled with vague, one lined responses just to up a post count. Such comments are more hurtful to the actual intellectual discussions than any number of new threads asking for movie titles.
I haven't done an exemplary job of it in the past, but I find myself now refraining from posting inane responses to legitimate discussions because I know I'm not contributing anything to them. Leave those responses for the Misc Forums.
I realize that everyone is entitled to their opinion and they have every right to express it, but some people are just stupid. And their stupidity quickly disolves away any serious discussion that was once going on in a thread and further wards off new discussion. Those people need to realize that their responses are redundant and don't belong.
I've been around MoFo for a while and I have seen countless quality posters come and go and I know the reason they've left isn't solely because of what is going on in their life, but is largely do to the lack of good discussion going on. Posters who have some relevant input outside of their personal opinion are discouraged from posting because they have become the extreme minority and are dog-pilled by dumb posters.
I told Chris about this, but I'll say it here too. I'm all for shutting the boards down for an hour and having the moderators go through and prune out threads that don't belong and pushing up quality discussions. And I do like the idea of a best threads (though what would be the point of a worst?).
And while we're talking revamping here, the rep system needs some changes. People treat it like it is some kind of popularity contest. Like it actually matters how many green boxes they have and because other people have more they are simply doing everything they can to keep up, which results in dishing out as much rep as possible. No longer are people just trying to keep up their post count, they're trying to keep up their rep as well, which would be fine if that rep was an actual system of feedback and not a method of handing out good effort hugs.
I think people are afraid to give negative rep when they shouldn't be. I think some changes should be made to the rep system:
First, people should be able to view the comments attached to the rep given to posts. This would (hopefully) discourage people from leaving inane comments
Second, there should be a minimum word count in a response. This way people should actually give meaningful feedback, not simple pats on the back.
Third, if people are afraid to give negative feedback there should be an option to give it anonymously. But since these people lack the courage to give meaningful feedback, this rep should only count for 1/4th of a point or something to that extent.
Fourth, reset everyone's rep points and change the name from "Reputation" to "Credibilty".
Or if you want to keep the Rep system to boost morale, tack on a Credibilty bar as well that actually does have the above restrictions.
Pyro Tramp
11-20-04, 04:23 PM
THe only thing with moving them is it may kill them, i know im not in position to really comment, but i did think that the battle threads were less used after moved from GD to ongoing tournaments
Charismasloverno5
11-20-04, 04:25 PM
holy hell, OG, could you write any more?
For anyone who needs an example of my points in my response, see the above post.
Charismasloverno5
11-20-04, 04:35 PM
how long did it take you to write that essay of a post?
About three minutes?
Maybe instead of posting useless responses screaming of your disdain for (gasp) reading you should just....not respond.
Charismasloverno5
11-20-04, 04:38 PM
I thought that forums were for fun where people could talk. Any huge suggestions tellilng me otherwise OG?
Yah, there is one here (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=213123&postcount=33) and here (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=213129&postcount=36) and here (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=213137&postcount=38)
This thread is about how to improve the quality of MoFo and yet you somehow have perfectly managed to evade that topic and perpetuate the very reason it needs to be discussed. Bravo.
SamsoniteDelilah
11-20-04, 06:09 PM
I don't want this place to be too much of a clique, but I think we're far, far from that right now, and not really in danger of becoming closed-off by limiting the number of "hey, what's this song called, tell me so I can never come back again" threads. Do they really add much of anything to the site?
I totally agree. Furthermore, since you can't control the intellect of who browses the forum, all you can do is make it as appealing as possible to the people who are looking for intellectual discussion. I have the impression that that is what most of us are here for.
Regarding cliquishness, this place rolls out the red carpet for newbies. It's the most open online community I've seen anywhere, and I've been kicking around the 'net for 10 years.
The logic behind this is not to save the time of myself or the mods, because, as Peter pointed out, it's really just a few minutes a day, usually. The point would be to reduce clutter and increase the ratio of good-to-bad threads, which could have an immeasurable effect on post quality. This isn't really about spam...it's about raising the level of discussion. And let's face it: devolving levels of discussion is the primary problem for any online community.
Exactly. Of the number of threads on page one, it's best to have as many as possible be good ones. The rep system provides a means of encouraging intelligent debate/input and discouraging sniping and other negative impacts. I think it's good that the rep system is not anonymous, as it encourages explanation of why rep was given. If someone doesn't understand why it's bad to just say "that movie sucks", they ought to get it after a rep note or two clarify that point. It also allows them to PM the person and demand an explanation, which I think is fair.
Anyway, I'd need to write in exceptions for introductory threads and the like. So here's what I propose (feedback welcomed):
A user must have at least 25 posts to start a new thread in any forum other than Birthdays and Introductions and the forum mentioned in the next bullet point...
...a sub-forum somewhere for threads that consist only of "what's this movie/what's this song" questions. And myself and the mods reserve the right to delete any such thread that is placed in GD. If someone can't be bothered to put a thread in the right forum, they run the risk of not getting the answer they want. Fair, yes?
Here's a vaguely related idea: a special area for all the "best/worst" threads, which fit fine in GD, but are prolific enough to merit some kind of special organization. Not a sub-forum, but maybe something more like the user review threads in the Movie Reviews forum?
*25 post minimum - I like it.
*sub-forum - I like it, with the caveat that it's really easy to find. While none of us wants it to be the focus of MoFo, it is a simple fact that a lot of people cruise through here looking for a quick answer to a question, and they're not going to search for where to put it.
*best/worst threads - I like this, too.
Hit me with it. What ya'll think about this?As if you had to ask. ;)
I don't want this place to be too much of a clique, but I think we're far, far from that right now, and not really in danger of becoming closed-off by limiting the number of "hey, what's this song called, tell me so I can never come back again" threads. Do they really add much of anything to the site?
The logic behind this is not to save the time of myself or the mods, because, as Peter pointed out, it's really just a few minutes a day, usually. The point would be to reduce clutter and increase the ratio of good-to-bad threads, which could have an immeasurable effect on post quality. This isn't really about spam...it's about raising the level of discussion. And let's face it: devolving levels of discussion is the primary problem for any online community.
Anyway, I'd need to write in exceptions for introductory threads and the like. So here's what I propose (feedback welcomed):
A user must have at least 25 posts to start a new thread in any forum other than Birthdays and Introductions and the forum mentioned in the next bullet point...
...a sub-forum somewhere for threads that consist only of "what's this movie/what's this song" questions. And myself and the mods reserve the right to delete any such thread that is placed in GD. If someone can't be bothered to put a thread in the right forum, they run the risk of not getting the answer they want. Fair, yes?
Here's a vaguely related idea: a special area for all the "best/worst" threads, which fit fine in GD, but are prolific enough to merit some kind of special organization. Not a sub-forum, but maybe something more like the user review threads in the Movie Reviews forum?
Hit me with it. What ya'll think about this?
loving every aspect of it, nice ideas
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