View Full Version : DVD copying right or wrong?
Here's a controversial subject that might spark some interest. Nowadays you can easily own any DVD you want for just $2 including menus, high quality movie, trailers, bonus material the works!
But what do you think, is this right or wrong. DO you think it's okay just to use as a backup for ones you already own or do you think that it's fine to rent one and copy it. I'm curious what people's stances are on this forum.
I'am also curious on what people have to say?
AboveTheClouds
09-01-04, 02:49 PM
Myself I havent done it, but I have recieved like 10 for presents
Holden Pike
09-01-04, 03:03 PM
Aaaaarrrr. Avast, ye, Matey!
It's illegal. But is it "wrong"? What if there's a man who is starving to find entertainment for his family, let's say premium well-known A-list films newly released to the home video market, but he can't afford them. OK, he can afford them, but even on sale $17.99 at Best Buy is still a little steep, Mr. Eisner. After all, these are staples of a young person in America and to deny them such marketing is a kind of child abuse, really. So he decides not to shoplift, which is a baser street level of theft that requires large coats and demagnetizing security strips, but instead to burn pirated copies and then distribute them to other unfortunates like himself, who only want for their children to see Finding Nemo on the best format available. And besides, at his low, low prices, he's practically giving them away. Why it's more like charity than a criminal enterprise for profit. In a way, you could say he's simply doing god's work. And bless him for his service, I says.
I personally support any person who wants to make a copy of any DVD they have, for any reason. If they want to make a back-up of it, go ahead. If they want to have it on their computer for just ease of viewing, go ahead. If they want to let a friend see it, go ahead. They paid for it, as long as they don't reproduce it for any kind of a profit, or display for it any kind of a profit, I feel they should be able to do whatever the hell they want to do with it.
As for DVD-ripping, which is much different than DVD-copying. It is wrong, but you know what...it happens. I find that it is inevitable, but regardless it is theft. I won't sugarcoat it to make it sound like downloading a movie you don't own, or will never own, isn't a bad thing. It deffinetely is. But it isn't grand larsony. A person who download's a DVDrip of the Matrix is not slitting the filmmaker's throat and I hate the MPAA for making it out as such. But they deffinetely are pricking their pinky, taking their blood. It may not kill them, it may not be noticeable at all, but it is letting nonetheless. I both proudly and shamefully admit that I am a parasite.
As for downloading movies prior to their release, screeners and workprints. That is just wrong. Essentially it isn't any different than downloading a DVDrip, and trying to defend downloading a DVD while condeming downloading a screener or workprint is like saying smoking weed isn't doing a drug, but heroin is. They're both drugs. They're both wrong.
But when you take a movie before it is finalized, before it is finished, before the public sees it...you're taking the filmmaker's thoughts and ideas. When that happens, you're not just taking their product, you're taking their prenatal vision. You're no longer just stealing something they've produced, you're invading their privacy as well.
You can kidnap a kid and it is wrong. But when you kidnap a child that hasn't even been born yet...that is just ****ed up.
AboveTheClouds
09-01-04, 03:04 PM
Ahahahah, good old Holden, always thinking of the needy.
Holden Pike
09-01-04, 03:11 PM
I won't sugarcoat it to make it sound like downloading a movie you don't own, or will never own, isn't a bad thing. It deffinetely is. But it isn't grant larsony.
Unless you're downloading Love Actually or About A Boy, which is, I think, indeed Grant larceny.
Unless you're downloading Love Actually or About A Boy, which is, I think, indeed Grant larceny.
I hate you.
The Taxi Driver
09-01-04, 04:30 PM
i never did it but i would if i knew how. i dont think its wrong. i think everything from DVDs to CDs to games are very overpriced so i think of copying DVDs as "getting your money back" that they took. i do download movies off kazaa from time to time.
If you do what you say you do with Kazaa you still pay money like going to the movies. So it's not only wrong but senseless.
If you pay money to download movies then you're just not downloading movies right. lol
If you pay money to download movies then you're just not downloading movies right. lol
Right. You're getting charged as you download
I ment right as in you're not doing it correctly. Kazaa is weak.
LOL....sorry for the misunderstannding. Yes weak alright.
The Taxi Driver
09-01-04, 07:43 PM
i dont pay for my downloads
AboveTheClouds
09-01-04, 09:26 PM
I don't either.....
Kazaa is still free to use, but you can pay for it if you want...but either way if you're using it, you aren't getting much out of it.
The internet contains vastly superior ways of gobbling what isn't yours.
Its illegal.
Ok, now that the legalities are out of the way, ask me if I have. But no need to: I plead the 5th. I have never downloaded a movie because (a) I just got DSL today(yay!), and (b) I have nightmares about being openly villified and made an example of in front of my peers. The shame alone is enough to stop me. :D
It is perfectly legal for you to make copies of your own purchased CDs or DVDs. Since the copy/creation tools exist legally, it becomes a personal issue, as you can utilize those same tools for illegal creation/copying.
Ill put to you this way: I dont lose sleep at night over it.
....I have never downloaded a movie because (a) I just got DSL today(yay!).
Me neither yet what does having DSL have to do with it? Curious.
copying is perfectly fine, if you have the original already. just wanna give a copy to a friend or whatever, no problem. just bootlegging and pirating is wrong. can't say i stand by what i say though. i buy bootlegs by the boxes every time i go out of the country or new york.
It'd take a VERY long time to download a movie with a 56k modem.
well anyone here burns dvds?
The Taxi Driver
09-02-04, 09:26 AM
My computer came with a DVD burner but i dont know how to use it so no.
well anyone here burns dvds?
Oh yeah :cool:
MyRobotSuit
09-02-04, 11:05 AM
I make dvd's. Usually I do it to make music video or tv episode compilations. I'll download an .avi and convert it to a MPEG2 DVD file and then when I have all these files together I author menus and such and burn to a disc.
I'm not going to tell you how I burn them though, that'd be illegal.
Terminator734
09-02-04, 11:50 AM
i back up entire DVD's and burn them whenever i rent one
well anyone here burns dvds?
Yepper! Its lots and lots of fun, too! :D
same here Mack, does it count if i own the dvd and backed it up and then sold the original. shhhhh
I wouldnt worry too much about it TazZ. Does it bother you, or did you just want to check? :p
nope i just wanted peoples opinion on this matter. I have over 100 copies of burned movies. shhhh
mums the word, good buddy. ;)
I back up entire DVD's and burn them whenever I rent one
.... I own the dvd and backed it up and then sold the original. shhhhh.
Ditto to both ....shhhhhhh . :laugh:
I make dvd's. Usually I do it to make music video or tv episode compilations. I'll download an .avi and convert it to a MPEG2 DVD file and then when I have all these files together I author menus and such and burn to a disc.
Me??? I do the same. Except for .avi I use Quicktime and/or WMV. I combine episodes, skits, short films or whatever.
I have started to do a nice collection of trailer discs.
sisboombah
09-03-04, 02:21 PM
i think its wrong...doesnt mean i wont do it if im low on cash and need to get a new film but it is wrong because it means the industry is loosing money and its the industry that i would like to one day work in.
I have a point: the industry IS NOT losing money of that significance. In fact, I read somewhere that they even have a "timed death" on downloaded songs. :confused: Excuse me? NOTHING I paid for better die on me. :mad:
Such a consumer driven, money hungry age we live in, and let me tell you, the "industry" isnt looking out for you---they are looking out for their own wallet. Whatever happened to making the customer happy?
Just a thought! :p
I own the dvd and backed it up and then sold the original.
Seriously .....I need money desperately and it has gotten to the point to where I need to sell our things that I really adore.
Although immaterial....thank God I have a burner to still be able to own
what I will always love. :D
sisboombah
09-03-04, 03:27 PM
yeah i copied some of my dvds so i could get more money. its hard to let them go but they were ones i dont really watch anymore so i dont mind having them on vcd.
Seriously .....I need money desperately and it has gotten to the point to where I need to sell our things that I really adore.
Although immaterial....thank God I have a burner to still be able to own
what I will always love. :D
where are you going to sell the things you own? i'll buy your TV :) jk
go into piracy JasoN! you work in the theaters so just get a camera and BOOM cash in your pocket! im just kidding :D
IF you burn dvds do you still buy'em?
Sinny McGuffins
07-18-05, 12:09 AM
I'll be honest, I sometimes rent DVDs then copy them. But only because I'm a kid who doesn't have a job. When I do get a job, which will be soon, I'm going to buy DVDs all the time. It's great owning all these great films on copied discs, but I just love my real DVD collection. I have about 100+ bought DVDs, and I expect that number to grow to thousands in my life time. So I don't really feel guilty when I burn DVDs, because I know I'll buy the real thing when I'm older.
Oh, and when I say sometimes I mean frequently.
I keep my collection and I still buy DVDs also of course. It's just the DVDs that I might rent (that I don't buy yet want ), and the ones I have I don't want ....those are the ones that are burnt.
Uncle Rico
07-18-05, 02:58 AM
Well burining DVDs obviously isnt right but people do it anyways. And it dosent hurt sales too bad.
Well burining DVDs obviously isnt right but people do it anyways. And it dosent hurt sales too bad.
Those people are called criminals. You know, sort of like car thieves and bank robbers. That stuff is wrong, but people do it anyways, ya know?
Blister
07-18-05, 11:34 AM
DVD copying is wrong. No matter what the circumstances are, Why be so impatient and get a cheap copy from a market or something, a couple of months before the 'official' release? Why copy dvd's you already have? it's not like the dvd's you currently have are gonna get wrecked inside the box. Someone said earlier about copying the dvd's and selling the original, why buy lots of dvd's if you have debts to pay? That's the only questions I ask.
(by the way, sorry if i'm being harsh or acting like a dick. I'm just in a bad mood at the moment)
DVD copying is wrong. No matter what the circumstances are, Why be so impatient and get a cheap copy from a market or something, a couple of months before the 'official' release? Why copy dvd's you already have? it's not like the dvd's you currently have are gonna get wrecked inside the box. Someone said earlier about copying the dvd's and selling the original, why buy lots of dvd's if you have debts to pay? That's the only questions I ask.
(by the way, sorry if i'm being harsh or acting like a dick. I'm just in a bad mood at the moment) Oh...it's all good, man.
And I agree. Although, you are allowed to make one back-up copy of all your DVDs and CDs.
Sinny McGuffins
09-05-05, 04:54 PM
I'll be honest, I sometimes rent DVDs then copy them. But only because I'm a kid who doesn't have a job. When I do get a job, which will be soon, I'm going to buy DVDs all the time.I've had my new job for a month now, and I've already bought twenty new DVDs. It may not seem like a huge feat for some of you, but it is for me.
I don't think I'll ever copy a DVD again. Unless my mum wants a copy of The Wedding Date or something.
Darth Stujitzu
09-05-05, 07:12 PM
Yeah, copying is wrong, but so are the companies that bring out endless versions of the same film! It really annoys me when a few months after releasing a film, the company decides to bring out a directors cut or 3 disc special edition.
Noticed Gladiator has an anniversary disc out, the film can't be more than 5 years old!!!
It's also my understanding that DVD's only last for 10 years, again I feel cheated by this.
Although, you are allowed to make one back-up copy of all your DVDs and CDs.
I never thought of that. :dizzy:
Strummer521
09-05-05, 11:00 PM
I won't say that downloading music and movies and burning them isn't wrong, but I am against the commercials that say that downloading a movie is no different from stealing a cd from a store. When you download a movie or song you are only hurting millionares, but stealing from a store is hurting it's owner who needs the money. Especially when it's an independent store. To me there is quite a difference.
I am not sure about that, :nope: stealing is stealing no matter who it is from. When we had an investment property a tenant would only pay half the amount of the rent because she said we were rich, it is all relative. :yup:
we were rich :yup:
You are rich? Dang you, give me a dollar!!!!!;)
Here http://bestsmileys.com/money/7.gif
m0dern_pr0phet
09-06-05, 03:49 AM
All who copy dvds and music belong in jail!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahaha not really.... The fact of the matter is downloading 'free' music or making dvds is really not that bad for society. I mean people on the whole get to keep their money without feeding the money-hungry industries. All the music artists and movie stars are well payed anyway. Its time for us to share their glory with free stuff!
I spend over $5000 a year on movie tickets and snacks alone for 8 of us a year. If I wanna' copy DVDs then I am gonna do it....I do own more than 1000 originals though so whatever.
I am just thingy about that sort of stuff, :yup: I wasn't the best of teenagers and was in a lot of trouble with the police, I consider myself lucky that my record was wiped off when I turned 18. :yup: once i went for a job in welfare and they did a police check on me, I was very anxious that they would find out my past, the government had done the right thing and really wiped it off, thank God. :D I do understand where you are coming from, now you may understand where I am coming from. :D
I am just thingy about that sort of stuff, :yup: I wasn't the best of teenagers and was in a lot of trouble with the police, I consider myself lucky that my record was wiped off when I turned 18. :yup: once i went for a job in welfare and they did a police check on me, I was very anxious that they would find out my past, the government had done the right thing and really wiped it off, thank God. :D I do understand where you are coming from, now you may understand where I am coming from. :D
You bet....:D
superwinner
10-14-05, 06:46 PM
Copynig DVDs is cool as long as it is for the right reasons. If you are backing up your collection or transfering them to your portable to take with you. I travel a lot and I take my PSP to play games and watch movies. It keeps me sain on the plane. I am not selling them or handing them out. That is where it gets illegal.
Austruck
10-14-05, 08:24 PM
I find this entire thread amazing. Such a high percentage of people posting here are justifying copying DVDs or downloading stuff for free (that isn't meant to be free) with a kind of ends-justifies-the-means attitude. Has our society become so morally relative that we're justifying performing illegal acts because it only hurts millionaires (which isn't necessarily true, BTW)? So, is murder all right if you only kill old people? Is rape okay if you only rape prostitutes?
I'm sorry, but I don't subscribe to the "I deserve this DVD" attitude, or the "I can't afford it so I'll just take it anyway because I want it" attitude. I've been poor a lot of my adult life, and if I couldn't afford something, I just did without it. Or, I earned and saved the money to buy it. I didn't take something that didn't rightfully belong to me simply because I couldn't afford it and those who were selling it had a lot more money than I did.
I honestly don't get the justification. The "it's not so bad/there are worse crimes" stuff is a slippery slope because, short of genocide, there is always something worse you could be doing.
Sorry if I don't agree with the majority of folks here, but I don't. I made my kids get rid of Kazaa on their computers once I knew what it was about, and I don't copy DVDs or download movies off the Internet. My kids now buy their music from iTunes or Real Rhapsody. The only thing I tape any more is Survivor on Thursday nights -- and only for our own personal use.
Next you people will be taping baseball games without the express written consent of Major League Baseball! ;) ;)
Dazed&Confused
10-17-05, 06:15 PM
Right. You're getting charged as you download
You can subscribe to newsgroups for a small fee which guarantees DVD retail quality and very fast download speeds.
The Watcher
10-25-05, 05:52 PM
Personally the only DVD copy I do is transfering the movie onto my PSP because I travel a lot--by the way for those with PSPs check this out SPAM Removed-- I got it and I'm loving it. But anyway, I think it's okay to copy the DVDs you already own, if you need backups for what ever reason but I dont really burn dvds or cds otherwise. I think that your not only cheating the artist but your cheating all of the people like the grips and stuff--and they dont get paid that much.
narrowroadwalker
08-17-06, 08:16 PM
Personal use is fine but copying a dvd for a friend because he doesn't want to cough up a few bucks for a film he wants to see, wrong. I own alot of movies and have never done it, despite people asking me to. I feel that it's our responsibility to support the films we love by paying for them.
VeronicaJ
08-18-06, 05:46 AM
Myself, i owned 3 copied DVD's (xmen 1, xmen 2 and van helsing) but somehow it just didn't feel right you know. I love to own real dvds and put them in a row and stare at them :cool: Mar sound weird but i do.
And i love to spend money on it so i gave them away and bought the real dvds, better quality anyway.
Ok it is wrong, not only because it's illegal. but it somehow seems a little gready. I KNOW im gready too, i've got loads of burnt cds, but dvd's are just so great. Im addicted to dvd's and ready to spend some money on it, and if you try a little, you can alsways find a good price for the dvds
e.g. Xmen 1.5 and 2 costed both €25 in 'Musicstore' and both €15 in 'freerecordshop'. I waited one week with buying and got 25% discount in Free Record Shop. Just patience and luck :)
nice marmot
09-30-06, 06:15 PM
i'm not the biggest buyer of DVD's, mostly because there just aren't that many films out there that i would watch more than once every year or two. So i still enjoy renting mine. i pay for netflix and love it. such a great system (fast and easy).
Ash_Lee
10-01-06, 04:59 PM
I haven't done it in ages. The novelty of being able to watch a film without having to leave the house has worn off, and I feel really embarrassed about having done it at all.
Plus, if you download it you don't get that same thrill of removing the plastic packaging of a brand new DVD, popping it in the DVD player in a dimly lit room and then sitting back for 2 hours of bliss.
Well. I dont download because I cant be bothered, but I've been tempted to "rip" upon occassion, and well...er...I didnt really feel that it was that wrong until recently when I tried to explain it to someone.
Of course this person is barely computer literate. Hm. Jury's still out.
joshuafor
10-20-06, 03:37 PM
I know personally I would never need an extra copy of a movie I own and if I wanted a friend to see it I would just let them borrow the movie I bought. Downloading just seems like a waste of time and it meeses up your computer! And I hate standing in the line at bestbuy to get my computer fixed so I will pass!
Princess j.t.
10-24-06, 10:31 PM
It's wrong but a good way to see a new release.
I would never put them in a real movie collection.
If people want to do it it's there problem if they get cuaght.:)
Britbrat19
10-24-06, 10:53 PM
i think its wrong and the quality just plain sucks. i know i have watched one before.
joshuafor
10-26-06, 11:47 AM
Yeah I have seen part of one before and they are just terrible. Why would anyone want to own one of these or watch it for that matter...Britbrat you are right quality sucks!...Just buy the movie or go see it in the theatre!
Hum_Archmage
12-07-06, 02:57 AM
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adidasss
12-07-06, 09:43 AM
Hum Archmage is worry?
why is worry? dvd copy tools is worry? all copy tools is worry? http://bestdvdtools.blogspot.com/
Oh my....
Actually, unauthorized copies of DVDs is illegal. Legally, you are authorized to make one copy of each disc as a back up. A little known fact many don't seem to know... Can't sell it, though.
I prefer the whole experience of going to the movie store not knowing what you want, and spending 2 hours looking through all the movies until you find exactly what you need for the mood you're in. Maybe it's just me, and maybe I have too much time on my hands.
joshuafor
12-07-06, 02:30 PM
yup Sedai the problem comes in when people sell them and download them all the time. But I just wonder what would you need a backup copy of a movie for...really?
adidasss
12-07-06, 03:46 PM
if it gets damaged so you don't have to buy a new one?
yup Sedai the problem comes in when people sell them and download them all the time. But I just wonder what would you need a backup copy of a movie for...really?
I take it you don't have a cat.
I live with this:
Now that is one cute pussy http://bestsmileys.com/cats1/11.gif
joshuafor
12-07-06, 06:36 PM
No I do not have a cat and usually don't leave DVDs hanging out but I am a bit OCD and like to have thing in there place.....but thats besides the point The thing I was getting at is even if you "need and extra" copy I mean you bought it its yours. But when people start selling stuff and downloading for the heck of it it becomes a problem
But when people start selling stuff and downloading for the heck of it it becomes a problem
How do you gauge when it is "for the heck of it?" if I download 700 movies for my own use is that ok :nope:
I have downloaded two movies in my lifetime (not counting all those "other" ones ;) I kid, really I do) Battle Royale, and Ringu. Neither were available region 1 and I would have gladly paid for either or both.
joshuafor
12-11-06, 12:41 PM
lol Nebitt that would classify as the Heck of it:)...But I think you know what I mean....that is just wrong....I mean I downloaded a movie once and it one sucked the quality was the worst someone's head was in the middle of the screen....Im thinking I will never do this again...and I haven't its just as easy if not easier to buy it than to waste your time with a download that has someone talking or head in the middle of it!
I mean I downloaded a movie once and it one sucked the quality was the worst someone's head was in the middle of the screen....someone talking or head in the middle of it!
Where is this that you wasted time downloading that?
John McClane
12-13-06, 06:28 PM
Oh yea. I burn loads of DVDs. Blue ones, red ones, shiny ones, dull ones. They all burn very nicely. I just gather them up into a pile and throw them on the fire. Lots of people do it you know. :yup:
diamondgeeza
12-17-06, 08:59 AM
I've downloaded the odd film, They have never gone in to my collection though, If i like the film i downloaded i'll go and buy it when it's released, plus i do make copies of some of the films i own, so i can watch them in the car or when i'm in my lorry at work, it saves ruining the original.
joshuafor
12-17-06, 10:33 PM
I've downloaded the odd film, They have never gone in to my collection though, If i like the film i downloaded i'll go and buy it when it's released, plus i do make copies of some of the films i own, so i can watch them in the car or when i'm in my lorry at work, it saves ruining the original.
Man I guess I am just out of the loop cause I have never thought of making an extra copy of a film for backup. I just have the one I own and I am good. I just never thought let me make a backup just in case. but thats me!
Methinks Holden would see no wrong in holding up a bank (With a handful of holes and a big grin to pass the time of day). Sounds like he's a bit wild and hangs around with the wrong bunch.
But on a more serious note the answer to copying is very simple...........
Get the prices DOWN, I for one like to own brand new originals not dodgy copies, but the companies involved need to lower their prices!!!
If they're getting good value for money most people would, I'm sure, prefer to buy new!!!
Austruck
01-21-07, 11:50 AM
Lower the prices? Not sure I agree with that. Perhaps you have to be slightly older to appreciate the fact that you can OWN movies at all. I'm 45, and it wasn't until I was an adult that you could buy a movie on VHS. When I was a kid, you couldn't even record anything to watch later or rent it to watch at home. That meant you had to see movies in the theater or wait patiently for them to arrive on the television.
And, HBO wasn't throwing movies onto the screen six months after their theatrical release, either. If you missed a movie, you really missed it.
So, for me to peruse an online catalog (I don't even need to leave my house) and pick out just about any movie I want to OWN for about fifteen bucks (when it costs over half that to see it once in the theater) is amazing!
And now I have Netflix too, so I can see movies I want all the time and I still don't have to leave my house to do it.
To me, I think buying DVDs is a cheap way to have access to movies I want any time I want. One generation behind me, and it's already being taken for granted. That's a shame.
reddave101
02-20-07, 05:24 PM
I bought a dvd the other day from a shop which is a factory pressed dvd(original).People do it everyday this I know.BUT how many other people have got it home put it in there dvd player to find out it is a very poor pirate copy???Obviously not only the individuals who pirate dvds.Has anyone else came across this?
Flame me but I am partial to a few usenet dvdrs. Ive probably gone through over 100 blank dvdrs.
Hmm make that a lot of usenet dvdrs.
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