Tons of rep to anyone that...

[Eyes]

just read my signature...

[AboveTheClouds]

Since you're depressed, you tend to listen to music with the same feel and emotion that you have, in an attempt to make yourself feel better.Or the sound reminds you of something that happened a long time ago, even if your conscious self doesn't realize it, your sub-conscious does, and it uses it as a trigger.

[Eyes]

Since you're depressed, you tend to listen to music with the same feel and emotion that you have, in an attempt to make yourself feel better.Or the sound reminds you of something that happened a long time ago, even if your conscious self doesn't realize it, your sub-conscious does, and it uses it as a trigger.
interesting, but i'm only depressed on a minor level, and even on a subconsious level, have no need or want to feel better. But i appreciate the attempt, and it was a good one, therefore, i shall give you rep anyway

[AboveTheClouds]

:D.. I still think the music triggers something. I had a friend in this sort of predicament.

[Eyes]

i know that the Music is a trigger of some sort, what i can't figure out, is Why evanescense, and not Linkin Park, or Aerosmith, or any other group

[AboveTheClouds]

maybe her Voice?

[Eyes]

possibly, although i didn't think of it before, Evanescense is a perfect combination between the 3 biggest crushs of my life, and expectedly, 3 times as out-of-my-league

[susan]

i do the same thing, although it has the opposite effect on me...listening to a depressing song while i'm depressed usually cheers me up..it reminds me that i'm not the only one who feels sad, that there are other people who feel the same way...

examples:
everybody hurts by rem
i am a rock by simon and garfunkel

[Eyes]

it seems to cheer me up in a way, it a feeling that it difficult to describe, but here goes
it's like a deep state of depression, but for some reason, i enjoy that feeling, just try to bring it about more and more, like some kind of ****** emotional SM
well, i tried, if only humans had advanced empathy...

[Tazz]

nice theory

[Eyes]

not mine though

[Anonymous Last]

I say the voice brings out a spark in ya that takes you to a place/time in your mind when you were happy. The depression comes from the task inside yourself that either you know there is no way back to that certain happiness or like the majority of human thinking you're lost and can not find your way back. The voice grabs the lost child in your persona and nutures it. Realizing that you can not have what you want.

[Eyes]

that sounds dead-on


more rep will follow as often as possible

[OG-]

My bet is you're depressed because you are infact aware that you are listening to Evanescense. Try not doing that. Pet a bunny.

[OG-]

But if you want a real answer, it is Lachrymology. Look into it.

[Anonymous Last]

Here's a bunny.



http://www.abc-kid.com/buckyohare/pictures/001.jpg

[MyRobotSuit]

"Did I listen to pop music because I was miserable... or was I miserable
because I listened to pop music?"

http://www.hervioleteye.co.uk/images/highfidelity.jpg

[Ulysses Everett McGill]

Uh is it because you are gay?

[Anonymous Last]

"Did I listen to pop music because I was miserable... or was I miserable
because I listened to pop music?"

http://www.hervioleteye.co.uk/images/highfidelity.jpg


A little bit from column A & a little bit from column B.

[Anonymous Last]

Uh is it because you are gay?

Hey buddy, there will be no fancy of the long pig in here, find your one night stand in the homosexual thread.

In this thread let the fun lovin' bunnies play the music. Cool?

http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/4d/2c/de_1_b.JPG

I try my hardest to provide random acts of kindness when no one is looking...


"Betcha bite a chip!"

[Ulysses Everett McGill]

I was being serious. I'm hard up for some rep points.

[James_Sparrow]

Is there anychance you have a female figure in your life thats either passed away or what like your mother, grandmother or something. So there could be a chance that with the singer of Evenessence being a female you seem comforted by this because its a voice of a female basically trying to talk to you. Yet you feel depressed because somehow it reminds you of the person which makes you upset. So you put yourself through the depression just so you can be remineded of the person??? If not I got a couple more ideas.

[Ulysses Everett McGill]

Three words... He is gay

[Sedai]

Uh is it because you are gay?

So far we have:

Homophobic
Xenophobic
Assumptive
Misinformed

This just has to be Django.....

[Ulysses Everett McGill]

I asked him if he was gay and you're calling me homophobic and xenophobic???

You just don't give up, do you?

[Anonymous Last]

I asked him if he was gay and you're calling me homophobic and xenophobic???

You just don't give up, do you?


No one has a problem with differing opinions; it's where they choose to share them, and the manner in which they present them.

I think that's being too smart for everyone's good.

Did everyone take their Ritalin today? Did you all take it orally, as I have frequently advised?

[Eyes]

Is there anychance you have a female figure in your life thats either passed away or what like your mother, grandmother or something. So there could be a chance that with the singer of Evenessence being a female you seem comforted by this because its a voice of a female basically trying to talk to you. Yet you feel depressed because somehow it reminds you of the person which makes you upset. So you put yourself through the depression just so you can be remineded of the person??? If not I got a couple more ideas.
this also seems like a definite possiblity, and perhaps the connection to a Female is the one is Post #7, and no offense AL, but this seems more accurate

[Eyes]

actually, i don't think that that's right, because i've just noticed that some trance has the same effect on me

[Anonymous Last]

this also seems like a definite possiblity, and perhaps the connection to a Female is the one is Post #7, and no offense AL, but this seems more accurate


Non taken. Just find your happy place.

[Eyes]

actually, i'm starting to think that ur more accurate, because trance has the same effect

[Anonymous Last]

Sometimes I have the same calling of depression for different stimuli.
I get ragged with the reruns when I look at some pictures from my past.

[Krackalackin]

Just let me crack my fingers before I begin this one because this is a topic I have pondered for years and to my own understanding, solved. I myself used to listen to depressing music, had a couple bands, etc. I eventually moved away from it because it began to screw with my head and change my pattern of thinking.

The reason why it makes you feel this way is for several reasons.

1. If you've ever taken musical theory, the actual chosen notes in a song and the ultimate melody itself influences the way you think, moreover the way you feel. Music can be purposely written to sound depressing. For example, songs that tend to have more sharp and flat notes than other are normally written to be sympathetic and depressing. That why chords are either called major or minor. Minor is any chord with a sharp or flat in it. It's given a differen't name because of the way it sculpts the melody.

2. Depressing songs tend to be a slower beat than typical happy songs. Being this way, it is much easier for the music to get in your head at a slower beat because it sinks in much easier because the music is consequently much more receptive. So, if the tone of the music is depressing, it's going to have that sort of effect on the chemistry in your brain. No Endorphins for you!

3. It's possible that you also may agree with the themes of the songs or atleast to the predicament of the person singing in it. Also, the depressing mood seems to be a rationale perspecive to feel emotionally because the music although depressing, is quite beautiful. This is probably the overall feeling you inscribe when you are listening to it, but the aftertaste and/or after-thought of the song is a much more melancholy opinion, naturally.

The third part probably explains why you like the music even though it makes you feel down a lot. Besides the fact it makes you feel down, it's still a very appealing sound. You probably were either atrracted by its melancholy sound initially or just by the actual melody you enjoyed. If it was the latter, this would prpbably give you more trouble and a harder-to-earn understanding of the sympathetic music you enjoy.

Have I won yet? I could really use some points. This is the best way I can explain it I think so, Tell me if I won. PLEASE!!!

[Eyes]

sry, been gone for a little bit, banned from using the computer, and not much time, but here's some rep, i'll try to decide if that's the reason, i'll get back to yall

[Sedai]

Need to chime in here....

I see some talk about music theory, and the idea Krack is expressing is spot on, with music being writen to evoke certain feelings depending on the construction of the music, but the harmonic function of a chord (major, minor, dominant, diminished) is actually determined a bit differently.
A chord can have sharps or flats present and still not be minor. A chord becomes minor when the third or sometimes seventh degree of the scale is made flat. The third must invariably be present (in a minor chord), while the seventh may or may not be present in the chord. For instance, if one was to augment (make sharp) the fifth degree of the scale, the chord would be for example a Caug6, containing a sharp, but not a minor chord, as the third is still a major third interval. The number and position of the accidentals relative to the natural major scale in C actually determines the key you are playing in. When looking at the accidentals relative to any given key, the number and position of the accidentals determines which mode is being applied in said key.

The seventh degree is also the dominant key, not only helping to reinforce major/minor harmonic function, but also being the dominant note in the key relative to the root...or in other words, the seventh is the note that seems to "want" to resolve to the root, or produces a great amount of tension relative to the root (hence the dominant moniker). On a single chord level, the seventh adds a unique sound to the chord, creating Dominant 7th chords. There is sort of a sliding scale of tension in any given key with the First, Third and Fifth, or, tonic chords being the smoothest sounding in the key, with little or no tendency to resolve to something else within the key. The Fifth and Seventh are dominant in nature, both wanting to resolve to the root(One). The Two and Six are the Sub-dominant, or dominant-prep chords, that can set up movements to dominant chords and ease the transition from tonic to dominant. The six is reinforced by the fact that it is the relative minor in the key.

Krack has the right idea to get the concept of mood across though, and like I said is pretty much spot on for the reasoning. Taking a major scale, the more functional notes you make flat (creating minor chords), the more dark and dreary, or sad, the music starts to sound. If one was was to make the third, seventh, and then flats the fifth as well, one has a minor 7 flat 5(m7-5) chord, which adds a diminished characteristic to the chord, adding even more discordant tones and getting really dark, even grating sounds out of the chord. There are even chords that remove the third and 7th completely, to get some ambiguous chords that can fit into major or minor progressions nicely, but have no major/minor harmonic function assigned to the chord, such as the Sus4 or Add9 chords, which drop the third from the triad in favor of the 4th and 2nd(9th) respectively. You would hear stuff like this a lot in the playing of people like Joe Satriani, Chris DeGarmo (Queensryche) and John Pettruci (Dream Theatre) back in the early 90s for an example.

As for Trance, which I happen to spin, One of the most common progressions in trance is the one to flat6(b6). I hear this in like 75 percent of the tracks I hear spun out. This movement is very dark and surreal, and although a bit overused in the genre, sounds really cool in a lot of tracks, and I bet this is having the effect on you that you are wondering about.

In film, there are a couple of score pieces that use this same progression, that I can think of off the top of my head, including:

The theatre scene in Donnie Darko: Show Me, by Quito Colayco, contains this chord movement. The piece is in F#minor, and eventually makes the big modulation to D. Watch this film and see if this music affects you in the way mentioned. One of my favorite progressions in music, even if it is overused.

Damn, rambling over here...My theory knowledge is half-assed, so I could be out to lunch on some of this, but I am pretty sure it's accurate. I play guitar, and as meantioned, spin records, and I try to apply music theory to everything, while at the same time just jamming out and having fun, so my studying of theory usually only pertains to what I need to learn/use at that moment.

[Henry The Kid]

Need to chime in here....

I see some talk about music theory, and the idea Krack is expressing is spot on, with music being writen to evoke certain feelings depending on the construction of the music, but the harmonic function of a chord (major, minor, dominant, diminished) is actually determined a bit differently.
A chord can have sharps or flats present and still not be minor. A chord becomes minor when the third or sometimes seventh degree of the scale is made flat. The third must invariably be present (in a minor chord), while the seventh may or may not be present in the chord. For instance, if one was to augment (make sharp) the fifth degree of the scale, the chord would be for example a Caug6, containing a sharp, but not a minor chord, as the third is still a major third interval. The number and position of the accidentals relative to the natural major scale in C actually determines the key you are playing in. When looking at the accidentals relative to any given key, the number and position of the accidentals determines which mode is being applied in said key.

The seventh degree is also the dominant key, not only helping to reinforce major/minor harmonic function, but also being the dominant note in the key relative to the root...or in other words, the seventh is the note that seems to "want" to resolve to the root, or produces a great amount of tension relative to the root (hence the dominant moniker). On a single chord level, the seventh adds a unique sound to the chord, creating Dominant 7th chords. There is sort of a sliding scale of tension in any given key with the First, Third and Fifth, or, tonic chords being the smoothest sounding in the key, with little or no tendency to resolve to something else within the key. The Fifth and Seventh are dominant in nature, both wanting to resolve to the root(One). The Two and Six are the Sub-dominant, or dominant-prep chords, that can set up movements to dominant chords and ease the transition from tonic to dominant. The six is reinforced by the fact that it is the relative minor in the key.

Krack has the right idea to get the concept of mood across though, and like I said is pretty much spot on for the reasoning. Taking a major scale, the more functional notes you make flat (creating minor chords), the more dark and dreary, or sad, the music starts to sound. If one was was to make the third, seventh, and then flats the fifth as well, one has a minor 7 flat 5(m7-5) chord, which adds a diminished characteristic to the chord, adding even more discordant tones and getting really dark, even grating sounds out of the chord. There are even chords that remove the third and 7th completely, to get some ambiguous chords that can fit into major or minor progressions nicely, but have no major/minor harmonic function assigned to the chord, such as the Sus4 or Add9 chords, which drop the third from the triad in favor of the 4th and 2nd(9th) respectively. You would hear stuff like this a lot in the playing of people like Joe Satriani, Chris DeGarmo (Queensryche) and John Pettruci (Dream Theatre) back in the early 90s for an example.

As for Trance, which I happen to spin, One of the most common progressions in trance is the one to flat6(b6). I hear this in like 75 percent of the tracks I hear spun out. This movement is very dark and surreal, and although a bit overused in the genre, sounds really cool in a lot of tracks, and I bet this is having the effect on you that you are wondering about.

In film, there are a couple of score pieces that use this same progression, that I can think of off the top of my head, including:

The theatre scene in Donnie Darko: Show Me, by Quito Colayco, contains this chord movement. The piece is in F#minor, and eventually makes the big modulation to D. Watch this film and see if this music affects you in the way mentioned. One of my favorite progressions in music, even if it is overused.

Damn, rambling over here...My theory knowledge is half-assed, so I could be out to lunch on some of this, but I am pretty sure it's accurate. I play guitar, and as meantioned, spin records, and I try to apply music heory to everything, while at the same time just jamming out and having fun, so my studying of theory usually only pertains to what I need to learn/use at that moment.


I can't believe I understand all of that. What did musical theory do to me?

[Sedai]

Ya, once I realized music theory is a set of tools for understanding how music works, and not a set of rules on how to play music, it became much more valuable.

[Henry The Kid]

Ya, once I realized music theory is a set of tools for understanding how music works, and not a set of rules on how to play music, it became much more valuable.

I quite enjoy musical theory, however I hate how it is taught. Every single musical theory professor seems to be upset that they didn't make it as musicians so they decide to convolute the points they are getting to.

Furthermore, I would say I learned more about music through musical theory than any amount of listening I ever did. And plus, I can look cool at parties by talking about key signatures and time signatures.

[casa]

i think you might listen to that sort of music that you can relate most too if for example you feel or are depressed you find it comforting that there are other people that share your emotions without you needing to go out and actually tell people what you are feeling. I myself would be more inclined to tell some deeply personal stuff to people on web forums where i am anyonymous than to tell these things to some of my closest freinds who could judge me for whatever reason

[SamsoniteDelilah]

MM~ I haven't a better guess than those made here, but you really sparked an interesting discussion. :up:

[Eyes]

wow, and i just wanted to know why i literally cannot turn off Evanescense, btw Casa, i share your feelings about sharing more with online friends, but your guess is off

[Sedai]

You mention Evenescense, so I am wondering if distortion is playing a part in all this. There is something to be said for a well distorted guitar or synth. Sends a chill up the ol' spine. I am not a big fan of Evenescense myself (bad riffs, cheese soloing, poor writing overall), but I love a lot of chunky guitar-type music, and the heavy, tense distortion is a big reason...

[Sleezy]

Some people feel content to be depressed sometimes, either consciously or subconsciously. They don't enjoy it, and they certainly don't prefer it - but sometimes, it feels right to just be down, to just let yourself be emotional (when everyone else seems to be cold all the time), and let those emotions connect with books you read, songs you hear, movies you watch, etc.

[Anonymous Last]

Some people feel content to be depressed sometimes, either consciously or subconsciously. They don't enjoy it, and they certainly don't prefer it - but sometimes, it feels right to just be down, to just let yourself be emotional (when everyone else seems to be cold all the time), and let those emotions connect with books you read, songs you hear, movies you watch, etc.

It's what connects us to being alive and human. Some are afraid to be happy... because they know that the happiness could possibly be disrupted and taken away.

I don't know where I get this from. Please ignore.

[Eyes]

f*** it, i'm just giving everyone rep, cause i can't decide who's closest

[PimpDaShizzle]

You've got these receptors in your beak (nose), and in there are millions of other receptors. Okay? So each of these smaller receptors are kind of like a shape. Remember that game where you tried to put the cube in the square and cylinder in the circle? Everything you smell is made of tiny molecules (or whatever they are, they're just some tiny sh*t) and when you breathe in these things floatin' around, certain shapes will fit into certain receptors in your nose. Okay, so now you just breathed in the scent of a fart, so here's what's happenin'. Millions of micro sized things just went into your nose and they fit into only a certain type of receptors, more of a combination of them. So once they touch their proper receptor, they trigger an electrical impulse that goes straight to a certain part of your brain (don't remember which one, I smoked a lot of weed when I was a psych student). So a rose has a certain combination of receptors they fit in, therefor the ability of perfume, even if it doesn't have actual rose in it, the perfume is able to duplicate the ability to touch the proper receptors, causing you to think of a rose. And what makes this so darn groovy is that the path the electrical signals take is supposedly the most direct of any path to the brain. So smelling has the biggest ability to be translated and accepted without being filtered. Hence, it triggering some good stuff.

Be aware of this knew knowledge. Smelling a fart now means that millions of tiny turd particles have floated into your nose. They aren't as funny anymore are they?

Oh yeah, if you want some chick to think of you and stuff, once you've got her slip on some widely used cologne after you've been seeing her for awhile. So, if you break up, everytime some other guy is wearing it, she'll smell it and think of you. Just some imature mind tricks that my Professor thought would be useful.

[Anonymous Last]

You've got these receptors in your beak (nose), and in there are millions of other receptors. Okay? So each of these smaller receptors are kind of like a shape. Remember that game where you tried to put the cube in the square and cylinder in the circle? Everything you smell is made of tiny molecules (or whatever they are, they're just some tiny sh*t) and when you breathe in these things floatin' around, certain shapes will fit into certain receptors in your nose. Okay, so now you just breathed in the scent of a fart, so here's what's happenin'. Millions of micro sized things just went into your nose and they fit into only a certain type of receptors, more of a combination of them. So once they touch their proper receptor, they trigger an electrical impulse that goes straight to a certain part of your brain (don't remember which one, I smoked a lot of weed when I was a psych student). So a rose has a certain combination of receptors they fit in, therefor the ability of perfume, even if it doesn't have actual rose in it, the perfume is able to duplicate the ability to touch the proper receptors, causing you to think of a rose. And what makes this so darn groovy is that the path the electrical signals take is supposedly the most direct of any path to the brain. So smelling has the biggest ability to be translated and accepted without being filtered. Hence, it triggering some good stuff.

Be aware of this knew knowledge. Smelling a fart now means that millions of tiny turd particles have floated into your nose. They aren't as funny anymore are they?

Oh yeah, if you want some chick to think of you and stuff, once you've got her slip on some widely used cologne after you've been seeing her for awhile. So, if you break up, everytime some other guy is wearing it, she'll smell it and think of you. Just some imature mind tricks that my Professor thought would be useful.

My cranially-attached conjoined fetus and I have found this post quite amusing... thanks.
*flabbergasted*
-On a different note-...
Does it appear as though I have enough time to slip into something a little less...complicated?

I know lederhosen was a bad idea...oh well, it does showcase my thighs, and ya can’t fault me for trying.