The Penguin (Colin Farrell) Max

[FilmBuff]

The Penguin is coming!! :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2uSwItbBAg

[Gideon58]

It’s going to be tough topping DeVito or Robin Lord Taylor for that matter

[doubledenim]

It’s going to be tough topping DeVito or Robin Lord Taylor for that matter

The character in the movie was great! Seemed like a DeNiro cosplay, but you couldn’t tell Farrell was in there.

[FilmBuff]

It’s going to be tough topping DeVito or Robin Lord Taylor for that matter

Colin is the only Oscar-nominated actor of the three

[Gideon58]

And that's relevant because....

[FilmBuff]

Love the poster!

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[FilmBuff]

Starts streaming on Sept. 8th.

[TONGO]

TBPH I think Farrell stole The Batman movie. Dano was great, Pattinson passable, but The Penguin was easily the most entertaining. I'll watch it.

[FilmBuff]

Looks like this will be more or less required viewing for anyone who plans to watch The Batman 2

The Penguin will bridge the gap between The Batman and the upcoming sequel (https://ew.com/the-penguin-bridges-the-batman-sequel-exclusive-8676806)

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Set one week after Pattinson’s The Batman — which saw Paul Dano’s Riddler blow up the seawall to flood Gotham City — The Penguin centers on the intense power vacuum that formed from the death of mobster Carmine Falcone (John Turturro). “We’re in Oz’s world,” LeFranc says. “We’re living in the underbelly of the city. Oz is a mover and a shaker. He can’t always be trusted. He’s very smart and very methodical, but he’s also extremely impulsive. You can’t predict what he’s going to do.”

[FilmBuff]

There will be a sneak peek at the series when The Batman is reissued to cinemas on the 28th

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[TONGO]

It’s going to be tough topping DeVito or Robin Lord Taylor for that matter


gideon I loathed Devitos Penguin, but not blaming him for it but Tim Burton. He looked more pathetic than menacing.
The best Penguin was Burgess Meredith. Colin Farrels Penguin was a reinvention like Ledger did with The Joker.

[exiler96]

Whadaya showin' Meeee? Come Oooonnn ...

[doubledenim]

”Get up you sonofabitch,
cause Ozzie loves ya!”

[FilmBuff]

The best Penguin was Burgess Meredith.

There will never be a finer Penguin!

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[doubledenim]

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[FilmBuff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da6afm5AAIY

[FilmBuff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfv4qXIIRAs

[FilmBuff]

https://youtu.be/XtCecNQVk2M?si=JIkrWI_ndxWJU2QH

[FilmBuff]

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[Dead2009]

The Penguin's Costume Included Detachable Penis With A Beak, Says Colin Farrell
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-penguins-penis-has-a-beak-says-star-colin-farrell/1100-6526588/

[FilmBuff]

The Penguin Official Podcast | Episode 1 | HBO - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBHvVeT9TMw)

[doubledenim]

What a great start! Even more than I expected, the reviews don’t do it justice.

[Crusadia]

It’s going to be tough topping DeVito or Robin Lord Taylor for that matter
Robin Lord Taylor was the best thing about Gotham. 👍

[FilmBuff]

Well, Max decided to drop only a single episode for starters, and maybe that's not the best way to get a sense of how good the whole season will be, but it's an OK start.

There's some really good actors in the series, naturally, even though it doesn't seem like this is going to exactly transcend the gangster genre, maybe it just wants to give the title character some added gravitas so he'll be a more formidable presence in future feature films.

[doubledenim]

Second episode fell off, but passable. Everyone is saying Miloti is the star and she is intense.

[Gideon58]

This is being offered on my service now but I’ve been hesitant because Cristin Milioti has never done anything for me.

[FilmBuff]

This is being offered on my service now but I’ve been hesitant because Cristin Milioti has never done anything for me.

She might in this one. It's a good part and she's milking it for all it's worth

[FilmBuff]

John Turturro said in an interview that he did not want to come back and reprise his role from the movie because there was too much violence against women in the show, and he said "that's not my thing".

Very understandable, and there really seems to be a disproportionate amount of violence against women in the series, but particularly in the episode where Turturro would have appeared.

[AKA23]

John Turturro said in an interview that he did not want to come back and reprise his role from the movie because there was too much violence against women in the show, and he said "that's not my thing".

Very understandable, and there really seems to be a disproportionate amount of violence against women in the series, but particularly in the episode where Turturro would have appeared.

While I respect John's opinion, and he is welcome to decline any project that he wants to for any reason, I personally think this is an incredibly stupid reason to not participate in this series. It is likely to be very popular, he played this character in the film, and the series story is likely going to continue into the next movie for the Batman trilogy, and he was an integral part of the first film. This is a crime story, women are half of the population, and it is to be expected that in a crime story there would be violence against women, and men, as part of that story. This is not real life and to me the overriding concern related to the story is whether or not it is well told, not who the violence is being depicted against and whatever social message that John would like to communicate through his participation in a completely fictional story set in an entirely fictional universe. Having considerations such as this when developing stories is misguided because, in my opinion, it restricts the type of stories that can be told and it constraints where those stories can go, which to me, is antithetical to the goal of art. When I watch a film, I care about how well the story is told, how good the actors are, the quality of the writing and directing, etc. not irrelevant aspects of the story such as who violence is or isn't directed against in the story that is being told. Additionally, one of the main characters and a big contributor to the heart of the series story is Cristin Miloti's character, and in order for the story to work, I think her character would need to have oppositional forces directed against her as the antagonist and main foil to the Penguin, which would in a story like this involve either the threat of violence, or actual violence.

[FilmBuff]

All I can really say is that I have a lot more respect for John Turturro for taking a principled stance.

He's one of the few famous actors I have met in real life so his distancing himself from the violence in the show makes him a real-life hero to me.

[Austruck]

While I respect John's opinion, and he is welcome to decline any project that he wants to for any reason, I personally think this is an incredibly stupid reason to not participate in this series. It is likely to be very popular, he played this character in the film, and the series story is likely going to continue into the next movie for the Batman trilogy, and he was an integral part of the first film. This is a crime story, women are half of the population, and it is to be expected that in a crime story there would be violence against women, and men, as part of that story. This is not real life and to me the overriding concern related to the story is whether or not it is well told, not who the violence is being depicted against and whatever social message that John would like to communicate through his participation in a completely fictional story set in an entirely fictional universe. Having considerations such as this when developing stories is misguided because, in my opinion, it restricts the type of stories that can be told and it constraints where those stories can go, which to me, is antithetical to the goal of art. When I watch a film, I care about how well the story is told, how good the actors are, the quality of the writing and directing, etc. not irrelevant aspects of the story such as who violence is or isn't directed against in the story that is being told. Additionally, one of the main characters and a big contributor to the heart of the series story is Cristin Miloti's character, and in order for the story to work, I think her character would need to have oppositional forces directed against her as the antagonist and main foil to the Penguin, which would in a story like this involve either the threat of violence, or actual violence.

I tend to agree with you. My thinking is that a lot depends on how they're presenting that violence. Is it violence against a heroine or against a villain? Are we supposed to be okay with it? Or is it at least tempered by a sense of justice or vengeance in it? I've seen only the first episode so far, but Farrell's performance will keep me watching for now. Feels a lot like The Sopranos without the sense of humor. :D I mean that in a good way.

[FilmBuff]

I tend to agree with you. My thinking is that a lot depends on how they're presenting that violence. Is it violence against a heroine or against a villain? Are we supposed to be okay with it? Or is it at least tempered by a sense of justice or vengeance in it?

Most of it is really quite unnecessary, imho.

I speak as someone who was a victim of violent crime (and it was gender-related) and has been dealing with PTSD ever since.

Much of what they have done with violence against women really wasn't completely necessary, nor is it justified by the storyline, imho.

[Austruck]

Most of it is really quite unnecessary, imho.

I speak as someone who was a victim of violent crime (and it was gender-related) and has been dealing with PTSD ever since.

Much of what they have done with violence against women really wasn't completely necessary, nor is it justified by the storyline, imho.

I'm only one episode in, so I reserve the right to amend my position. However, I know I myself have a few triggers for various types of things I can't watch on TV or in a movie. I try to just avoid those types of shows/movies, since I view it as my weakness and not everyone else's problem.

HAVING SAID THAT, violence against a group (such as women or gays) precisely because they are a member of said group is extremely disturbing, even to me as someone who has never been a victim of group hatred or violence. So, I can easily see myself dropping this show like a hot potato if it feels in any way exploitative. There's really no need to indulge a worldview like that in this day and age. (And let's hope that viewers leaving any show or movie en masse would send the right signal about what people expect from their entertainment.)

[FilmBuff]

I'm only one episode in, so I reserve the right to amend my position. However, I know I myself have a few triggers for various types of things I can't watch on TV or in a movie. I try to just avoid those types of shows/movies, since I view it as my weakness and not everyone else's problem.

HAVING SAID THAT, violence against a group (such as women or gays) precisely because they are a member of said group is extremely disturbing, even to me as someone who has never been a victim of group hatred or violence. So, I can easily see myself dropping this show like a hot potato if it feels in any way exploitative. There's really no need to indulge a worldview like that in this day and age. (And let's hope that viewers leaving any show or movie en masse would send the right signal about what people expect from their entertainment.)

I don't know if I would go so far as to call it "exploitative," but it certainly seems gratuitous, imho, and here's why: the storyline would still work quite well without such explicit violence. We can hear that "so-and-so got bumped off, and it was [XYZ] who did it!" - and it gets the point across. We know who did what to whom, and why they're out for revenge, or whatever.

So, it really wasn't necessary to make it explicit and going to great lengths to make things super nasty doesn't make it a better story.

But, I get why some people still won't mind it - I'm used to it, society has unfortunately been desensitizing itself against violence for some time now :(

[AKA23]

FilmBuff, I am sorry to hear that you have been the victim of gender-driven violent crime. I hope whoever did that to you has been held accountable, and that that kind of thing never happens to you again. This is my perspective on this. A lot of people have been clamoring for more female driven stories with strong and empowered female characters. That's a large part of what "The Penguin" is. Cristin Miloti's character is a well written, well acted, well conceived one, with great character development, a good deal of complexity, and a plot that meaningfully integrates her role, in which her character drives the story forward. To me, it's exactly what a lot of people have been asking for, and it's being done very well. But, now, that is suddenly not enough. In addition to having all of that, we also have to worry about the kind of character that she is and whether or not violence is being directed against her, or whether it's the "right type" of female driven story, or whether her character, or those around her, are being treated well, or not, in her scenes. That constraints the story too much. To me, you can't really have it both ways. We either want female driven characters and stories, and we're excited when see them done well and we try to support them when we do. Or, we don't, and if we do, then we can't also impose requirements on what happens to them, or doesn't, in pursuit of telling the story as well.

[FilmBuff]

Cristin Miloti's character is a well written, well acted, well conceived one, with great character development, a good deal of complexity, and a plot that meaningfully integrates her role, in which her character drives the story forward. To me, it's exactly what a lot of people have been asking for, and it's being done very well. But, now, that is suddenly not enough

Actually, it would be more than enough all by itself!


In addition to having all of that, we also have to worry about the kind of character that she is and whether or not violence is being directed against her, or whether it's the "right type" of female driven story, or whether her character, or those around her, are being treated well, or not, in her scenes.

I'm not sure if you've seen all of the episodes, but the overwhelming amount of gratuitous violence wasn't even aimed at her. And no, absolutely nobody is saying everyone in the show has to be "treated well," that's an absolutely ridiculous standard for a gangster series. Completely and absolutely ridiculous.


That constraints the story too much. To me, you can't really have it both ways.


The story itself doesn't depend on the gratuitous violence - the story would be just as strong if the violence was implied or talked about, not always shown in the most graphic way possible.


We either want female driven characters and stories, and we're excited when see them done well and we try to support them when we do.

We can absolutely support that, that isn't an issue at all.


Or, we don't, and if we do, then we can't also impose requirements on what happens to them, or doesn't, in pursuit of telling the story as well.

That's a false dichotomy. What happens to them could still be exactly the same if it wasn't shown graphically, after all.

[AKA23]

I've seen all of the episodes. To be honest, I didn't even notice this aspect of the story until you pointed it out. It wasn't a concern for me at all. There is a lot of violence directed against men too in the show. It is not just against women. I think it's just the nature of the story. John didn't say that there was too much violence in the show in general, he specifically highlighted it being against women. He didn't object to the violence depicted against men, and that is shown a lot as well. So, by just commenting on violence against women it's not a false dichotomy. It's central to the argument that he made, and that, I think, you are supporting as well.

[FilmBuff]

I've seen all of the episodes. To be honest, I didn't even notice this aspect of the story until you pointed it out. It wasn't a concern for me at all. There is a lot of violence directed against men too in the show. It is not just against women. I think it's just the nature of the story. John didn't say that there was too much violence in the show in general, he specifically highlighted it being against women. He didn't object to the violence depicted against men, and that is shown a lot as well. So, by just commenting on violence against women it's not a false dichotomy. It's central to the argument that he made, and that, I think, you are supporting as well.

I think he was speaking from the perspective that he would have been playing the character who was responsible for most of the violence against women being shown in the series. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that aspect of the character he was being offered to play again, then he's definitely within his right to turn the part down.

It is a free country, after all.

[AKA23]

He certainly is, but I'm speaking to the larger issue in general, which his comment speaks to. It could be that I am misunderstanding your point of view though. Is it that you think the show is too violent in general, and you'd like the show to be less gory than it is, and more understated in its depiction of violence? Or, is your argument in support of John's, which is that the concern is that the violence is being committed against women, and you'd like to not see that and object to it being shown in this way?

[FilmBuff]

He certainly is, but I'm speaking to the larger issue in general, which his comment speaks to. It could be that I am misunderstanding your point of view though. Is it that you think the show is too violent in general, and you'd like the show to be less gory than it is, and more understated in its depiction of violence? Or, is your argument in support of John's, which is that the concern is that the violence is being committed against women, and you'd like to not see that and object to it being shown in this way?

I have actually already stated my position, please go back to the earlier posts and re-read them, because at this point, you're just asking me to repeat myself.

[AKA23]

Having re-read your posts, it does appear that my initial impression of your arguments were accurate, that you were speaking in support of John's points. The particular objection is related to violence against women and how that is depicted in the show. You would prefer if it were not shown on screen, and you don't think that showing the violence against the women onscreen is necessary to tell the story, as the same events could still have happened, but not be shown in the same way. I think we are likely not going to agree on this, and that there won't be a lot of value in continuing to make the same points over again. Given what you shared in the other thread, I don't want to contribute to making your life any more stressful than it already may be, so I think I'm going to bow out of this thread for now.

[Corax]

Wow, the series is solid. This is Richard III meets The Godfather with DC universe as the backdrop.

This is up there with the first series of The Wire and True Detective.

I have a new respect of Farrell and props to Milioti for nailing her role. Great character piece.

[doubledenim]

https://youtu.be/UJ1tBVtYOBc

[doubledenim]

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[Galactic Traveler]

The Penguin is absolutely amazing. Loved the first season to death.

[exiler96]

Liked Matt Reeves' film overall, loved The Penguin (especially the last three episodes).

My two cents: https://letterboxd.com/nikan_/film/the-penguin-2024/

[Gideon58]

Watched the first episode this morning...Collin Farrell was extraordinary.

[TONGO]

Watched the first episode this morning...Collin Farrell was extraordinary.
He is. Gideon58 you need to see North Water

[Gideon58]

Watching ep 2 now. Penguin seems a little too trusting of Victor. His loyalty is a little too good to be true. And Cristin Milioti, an actress who has never done a thing for me, is bone-chilling as Sophia. Enjoying the always reliable Clancy Brown too...have loved that guy ever since he tormented Sean Penn in Bad Boys. Oswald seems to have his hand a lot of different pots. Love Deirdre O'Connell as his mom. Have they specifically identified what's wrong with her? Farrell's Oswald Cobblepot reminds me a lot of Tony Soprano. "It's a helluva lot more fun to dance." Was that Common playing Sofia's goon? Good to see James Madio too, who I've loved since The Basketball Diaries.

[Gideon58]

Watched ep 3 this morning. Victor’s girlfriend and family are really sweet . Hope his work doesn’t put them in danger. Sophia’s psychedelic mushrooms sound. deadly. Loving Michael Kelly. There’s no way Victor is going to be able to walk away from Os. That scene where Victor talked to Os about walking away was superb, as was the final scene.

[Gideon58]

Season One, Ep 4. This episode was freaking brilliant, the strongest so far, providing a thorough and riveting backstory for the character of Sophia (Cristin Milioti). It was shocking watching her father tell her in one scene that he wanted her to take over his empire in one scene and then a few minutes later frame her for the murder of seven women and have her committed. The whole gaslighting of Sophia was terrifying, conjuring images of films like Caged, The Snake Pit, and Frances. The gaslighting of Sophia revealed that the relationship between Sophia and her brother might not have been as contentious as I thought. Loved that crazy inmate, Magpie and there were some definite sparks between Sophia and that doctor (Theo Rossi)...hope we see more of him because not really sure yet where he falls on the side of the Sophia conspiracy. Fantastic episode that Cristin Milioti should have submitted for her Emmy real.

[Gideon58]

Season One, Ep 5. Why did Os have to burn that car? “Jesus Sal! Put your dick away!” How does Maroni have so much pull from a jail cell? Sophia is a fantastic liar. I didn’t believe a word she said to the chief of police. How long has Sophia been holding Johnny? Who’s the Hangman? I’m worried about Victor trusting Os as much as he does. Cristin Milioti was chilling in those scenes with Johnny. Loved the cutaway to Gena Rowlands in Gloria. Does Os’ mom know about her son’s business than we’ve been led to believe? Too bad they got Moroni,I like Clancy Brown. Murder by fire…very hard to watch. I knew something was going to be wrong with the shrooms. Moroni survived! Can’t believe Os told him to call his wife, that was cold. His love for his mother is one of the things that keeps Os likable. I knew we would see more of Julien (Theo Rossi), Glad Johnny is still with us. There’s a lot more to Sophia and Johnny than we know. I guess I was wrong. Where did all that money come from? If anything happens to Os’ mom Victor is landfill. Loved Os going all Tony Soprano on the busty blonde. The tension in that scene with Sophia and Sal could be cut with a knife. Why does Sophia want Os dead now? That scene with Os and his mom was lovely. What’s in that underground trolley? A new add of operations? This episode was directed by actress Helen Shaver, who starred with Paul Newman in The Color of Money.

[Gideon58]

Season One, Ep 6. Wow they’ve got that underground hideout running pretty quickly. The instant success of Bliss is a little convenient. How are they going to work without electricity? I get the feeling that Victor is the first person Os has trusted in a long time. Cristin Milioti and Theo Rossi are generating some serious heat . So I’m guessing Julien isn’t a real doctor? Mom never left her old place now she’s complaining about being couped up with Os. Is has money why are the utilities turned off? Threatening ape’ mom? Seriously who is this guy? I was surprised Sophia didn’t mention Victor to Moroni. Os’. Mom couldn’t get out of that tub without assistance? Deirdre O’Connell was excellent in that scene. Squid- great character name. Victor should have told Os about Squid mentioning his mother. Eve is as good as dead. Had a Chinatown flashback when Os threatened that councilman. Liked the way Victor tried to handle Squid but to no avail.Victor has to kill Squid. Then t Felix nailed that scene.

[Gideon58]

Season One, Ep 7. I'm not really feeling an entire episode devoted to Os' childhood, as riveting as the backstory about Sophia was, not feeling it for Os for some reason. He grew up the way he was because Mom liked his brothers better than him? I hope there's more to it than that. Where have I seen that actress who's playing flashback Mom? I just realized that Oz' last name on this show is Cobb, not Cobblepot. I'm not clear on exactly what Mom's job was. I'm assuming this train station is the same one where Os set up his headquarters in the previous episode. The actress playing young Os' mom reminds me of Aida Turturro. Loved Os and his mom watching Top Hat. Hard to imagine that the Os we've seen in the first six episodes would be so into Fred Astaire. Glad to see the entire episode isn't going to be a flashback. Why was it so important that Victor get out of Os' Mom's apartment? Sal was working that golf club. I'm still unclear as to why Sophia wants Os dead. Sophia's entrance with Mom's breakfast was so Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?. OK, Sophia doesn't really want him dead, she just wants what's rightfully hers? Os' mom doesn't seem to know the gravity of the danger she's in, or she doesn't care. Deirdre O'Connell was bone-chilling in that scene. Frances will regret striking Sophia. I guess Julien (Theo Rossi) has become Sophia's primary flying monkey. Sal scared me to death when he picked up that gas can. Loved when Os told him off though...Farrell appeared to really enjoy that. So did Sal just die from natural causes? A chill went down my spine when Sophia got rid of the nurse with her crisp "Thank you." I do believe that Os would give up everything he's built for himself it would keep his mother safe. Is Julien's role in this story bigger than just being Sophia's flying monkey? Monroe's...that's why that train station is so important to Os.

[Gideon58]

Season One Finale. Deirdre O’Connell was superb in that opening scene. Was Frances implying that Os killed his brothers? Now Frances wants Os dead too? After everything he’s done for her? Why was Deidre playing Os in that flashback while the other actress played her in the previous episode? The way young Os was talking to his mom had a bit of an ick factor to it. “We’re here for the product not the Penguin.” Can’t believe Victor is the only one who cares if Os is alive. Wow wonder what Sophia’s next move is. Cristin Milioti nailed that baby bird monologue. She’s got Mom too! Why does Sophia care about Os’ brothers? How did Sophia know about mom’s request? Love the way Frances is not scared of Sophia. Frances telling Os she hates him cut through him like a knife. I still don’t understand why Sophia cares about all of this. Milioti should have gotten an Emmy for that scene alone. Farrell’s fat suit looked so realistic when Os was trying to fix his wound. Loved Victor’s face pep talk to Os. Rhenzy Felez is awesome as Victor. I don’t believe Sophia plans to walk away either. Can’t tell where that guy’s loyalty lies who called Victor. Farrell nailed that scene with the councilman but Os didn’t really provide him any real evidence to back up what he said. “You wanna be welcome? You gotta look clean.” My loyalty question was answered still don’t believe Sophia is going to walk. Don’t understand why she burned down the house. The exterior shot of the burning house was bone chilling. That showdown in the hangar was a little convenient. Sophia and Os really know how to push each other’s buttons l. Did they really think we supposed to believe he was going to shoot Sophia? Oh man poor Frances . Farrell was amazing in that last scene with mom. I don’t believe what Oscar did to Victor? Why? Loved that shot of Victor’s ID floating in the water. Julien is Sophia’s doctor again? Does Os really think pulling Frances out of the hospital going to change anything? This Os/Frances thing is creeping me out. Looking forward to season two.

[TONGO]

It was better then The Batman movie, though that was good too. Colin Ferrell is terribly underrated as an actor. IMO he should be a big a name as Johnny Depp. Heck I think hes more talented than him.

[Gideon58]

Definitely better than The Batman…really enjoyed season one though I’m really not happy about what happened to Victor. Liked the actor a lot.