Specific words people try to lead you on to say

[Act III]

I find that at my most recent job some of the customers that I interract with try to lead me on to say specific words. One of them is the word "just". And... when I catch on to their game and predict what they are trying to manipulate out of me and cut them off while I'm ahead, and use substitute words, they get visibly annoyed. So, me being who I am, simply to spite them, I will no longer say the word "just" because, I am nobodies pawn.

Why is it important to someone else that I say a specific word? You tell me, I am unable to answer this.

I remember a number of times when people have tried to get me to use curse words, I don't mind using them, but it isn't something I normally do.

What specific words have people tried to get you to say?

[Corax]

I find that at my most recent job some of the customers that I interract with try to lead me on to say specific words. One of them is the word "just". And... when I catch on to their game and predict what they are trying to manipulate out of me and cut them off whole I'm ahead, and use substitute words, they get visibly annoyed. So, me being who I am, simply to spite them, I will no longer say the word "just" because, I am nobodies pawn.

Why is it important to someone else that I say a specific word? You tell me, I am unable to answer this.

I remember a number of times when people have tried to get me to use curse words, I don't mind using them, but it isn't something I normally do.

What specific words have people tried to get you to say?


How did they engineer the attempt to nudge you to use the word?

[Act III]

How did they engineer the attempt to nudge you to use the word?
I don't know, I guess their attempt to train me to learn their techniques were unsuccessful, it will forever be a mystery.

Has anyone ever tried to get you to say a specific word without directly asking you to? I know actors deal with this all the time, but normal folks like me, thats stupid and absurd.

[Yoda]

I can't really follow what you mean. Can you give us an example? IE: why did they want you to say "just," and how did they go about it?

[Corax]

I don't know, I guess their attempt train me to learn their techniques were unsuccessful, it will forever be a mystery.

Very well, but then how did you know that they were trying to get you to do anything? Did someone, for example, tell you in advance? Did overhear a plot?

Has anyone ever tried to get you to say a specific word without directly asking you to? I know actors deal with this all the time, but normal folks like me, thats stupid and absurd.
I don't know that I've been caught out in this way, but that doesn't mean that I have not. I have not perceived that I have been nudged to use any word, but rather certain idea/content that are "gotcha!" bait.



The idea of someone trying to get me to say anything in particular kinda smells like updog.

[Captain Steel]

Can you just explain it to just us so we can just try to understand it just a little bit better?

[Act III]

I am sorry but I am unable to answer questions until you answer my question. You are changing the topic of my conversation. I am not a linguist much like I am not a doctor. If a doctor poisoned me would you ask me the same thing? If the conversations were recorded I could go back and tell you what was said and how they play their game, but there is no recording and I am not interested in examining it further than "what words are they trying to get you to say". I like a clear mind.

[Corax]

I am sorry but I am unable to answer questions until you answer my question. You are changing the topic of my conversation. I am not a linguist much like I am not a doctor. If a doctor poisoned me would you ask me the same thing? If the conversations were recorded I could go back and tell you what was said and how they play their game, but there is no recording and I am not interested in examining it further than "what words are they trying to get you to say". I like a clear mind.
Yeah, this smells like updog.

[Act III]

Yeah, this smells like updog.
What do you mean?

[Corax]

What do you mean?


Huh?

[Act III]

The topic is pretty simple. This isn't about examining techniques of persuasion, if you'd like a thread for techniques of persuasion I could make one for you. But thats completely out of my realm of interest.

[Act III]

I also find that when people quickly try to derail a topic its because youre hitting a nerve.

[Yoda]

I don't find the topic simple, personally. It's highly abstract, which is why it would benefit greatly from an example.

[Corax]

Knew a guy named Michael Hunt who used to try this all the time. Always penny trading.

[Act III]

I don't find the topic simple, personally. It's highly abstract, which is why it would benefit greatly from an example.
Well, I am not going to secretly record the conversations I have at work.

[Act III]

Knew a guy named Michael Hunt who used to try this all the time. Always penny trading.

I dont understand what you mean, this comment or the comment you made before this.

[Captain Steel]

Under the tutelage of Randy Tutelage, I've learned a lot about manipulation and coercion!

[Corax]

Under the tutelage of Randy Tutelage, I've learned a lot about manipulation and coercion!
Didn't he die of ligma?

[Act III]

Under the tutelage of Randy Tutelage, I've learned a lot about manipulation and coercion!
Well, my vocabulary isnt for strangers to shape and change and I am not paint on a pallette.

[Act III]

I will say though, the particular people that try and get me to say the word "just" do certainly look extra squeaky clean and obsessive compulsive about their looks like a cop would be, you know, perfectly combed hair with a perfect haircut, wearing black and white, and, more often than not, either in the 20-25 age range or if theyre older, theyre always like menopause age. Its never older men. Mostly young skinny coppish looking youtubers, I guess thats the best explanation on the who. But how? Theyre pretty quick and smooth talkers, thats not my game. Almost got a tick-like quality to them. You can almost hear the clicking and the popping of their insect jaws as they try to extract drama from you.

[Corax]

Well, my vocabulary isnt for strangers to shape and change and I am not paint on a pallette.
I believe it was Dragondese who once replied to Eco that he was partner, but not a puppet.

[Captain Steel]

Didn't he die of ligma?
Yes. That's why he was such an enigma.

[Act III]

You do know what "leading someone on" means... that is why there is a saying for it, because its hard to catch and even harder to explain. Every instance is different.

[Corax]

You do know what "leading someone on" means... that is why there is a saying for it, because its hard to catch and even harder to explain. Every instance is different.


I'm with you, see my Dragondese post upthread.

[Act III]

I'm with you, see my Dragondese post upthread.

Yeah. Well. At least I'm observant enough to know when someones trying to play me for a fool. Gotta stay sharp and not give them what they want.

[Corax]

Yeah. Well. At least I'm observant enough to know when someones trying to play me for a fool. Gotta stay sharp and not give them what they want.


So, you're never going to use the word "just" again because you imagine some coworkers have attempted (by means you cannot describe) to get you to say it? Vigilance or paranoia?

[Act III]

I know the who and the what. I dont know the how, but what I want to know is the why. The why is the most important part. Once you know why, then the how doesnt even matter.

[Corax]

I know the who and the what. I dont know the how, but what I want to know is the why. The why is the most important part. Once you know why, then the how doesnt even matter.


1. Amusement. You get someone to say something silly. You giggle with your friends. "The trick works!"



2. Bait. You get someone to say something to get them in trouble. Once they say it, you can use it as a club to get them fired or blackmail them.



3. Redemption. If they can get you to say the words, they can fix you. They're trying to help you.



4. Neurolinguistic Programming. The CIA needs you to kill the president of Paraguay with a fork. The words are triggers to activate you as an agent. NOTE: If you have a copy of Catcher in the Rye, you're in trouble. Honestly, it's probably this one. Be careful.

[Act III]

Perhaps those particular menopausers taught those particular spring chickens their game.

[Act III]

Microsoft doesnt employ women over 50. Maybe these are connected.

;)

[ScannerDarkly]

I'll refuse to use bs made up terminology at work. Every job I've worked has some made up term for a piece of equipment, camera has a name, work phone has a special name, this that. Nope it's all dumb :nope: I'll call it what everyone can generally identify it as.


I'll also find myself talking more hood around my hood friends at work but that's not their fault lol and there's nothing wrong with it, i just feel like I'm reverting back to times of my youth.

[Yoda]

Well, I am not going to secretly record the conversations I have at work.
This is a perplexing response. You obviously don't need a recording to convey generally how they might do it, and even if you did that still wouldn't preclude you from explaining why they want you to in the first place.

None of this reads like you want to actually be understood or have a discussion. It reads like you want to say something to someone, but can't, so you're saying it to us instead, stripped of context.

[Captain Steel]

Was it a case where you were working for a company that sold an item and your boss was like,
"Tell the customer that if they buy the washer and dryer separately it will cost them $1500 for each, but if they buy them today, under our special two-fer deal, it will cost them JUST $2999 for the whole shebang! And make sure to say 'JUST'!"

???

[Captain Steel]

This reminds me of my dad's old joke...

If you catch a cold, it will take you 14 days to get over it.
But if you go to the doctor, it can be gone in JUST two weeks!

:D (Dad Jokes)

[Act III]

I just dont know how to deal with skeptical intelligence and non-transparent free peoples.

[Captain Steel]

I just dont know how to deal with skeptical intelligence and non-transparent free peoples.

You "just" don't know? Or you don't know?

Someone's been working on you. Tell us what happened.

[Act III]

I just play games and keep you poor.

[Captain Steel]

I just play games and keep you poor.

Well I'm playing with you because (as Yoda pointed out) your responses don't seem like those of someone seriously seeking advice or corroboration in reference to the topic.

But you keep me poor? How so?

[Act III]

This topic is 100% ruined. But theres some good points in there. Keep it light and the egg is off.

[Mr Minio]

Sounds like he's either trolling or schizophrenic.

[Act III]

I dont even know how to respond to that. But I'm not going to argue. This thread is there for all to see and theres nothing more to discuss. All the good points are in there made by several people. And that is surrounded by a bunch of distracting bad mouthing and insults. I must have really hit a critical nerve to receive such passionate responses over a seemingly innocent and trivial and simple topic. I'm out. I'm not responding to this topic anymore. But let it sit there for future readers to enjoy.

[Yoda]

I also find that when people quickly try to derail a topic its because youre hitting a nerve.
I find when people resist answering simple clarifying questions it's because they were looking for validation and not discussion.

[Sedai]

Thinking of changing the title of this thread to "Just don't read this thread", just so people don't waste 2 minutes of their lives reading it, like I just did. Thinking about it though, that just might double the traffic.

[Stirchley]

I am sorry but I am unable to answer questions until you answer my question. You are changing the topic of my conversation. I am not a linguist much like I am not a doctor. If a doctor poisoned me would you ask me the same thing? If the conversations were recorded I could go back and tell you what was said and how they play their game, but there is no recording and I am not interested in examining it further than "what words are they trying to get you to say". I like a clear mind.

LOL, funniest thread ever. :rolleyes: