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I would like to get a few more watches in. Looks like I have watched about 23, which is quite a bit less than I wanted. Only one new watch has made it onto my list so far.
Big bump! We're getting into range now.
Gonna start putting up annoying banners and sending annoying messages soon.
Citizen Rules
07-13-23, 02:12 PM
If you need some war movie ideas for your ballot...check out this countdown to the war countdown (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2395866#post2395866)
John W Constantine
07-13-23, 03:29 PM
There's a chance if we push that button....
I'm going to watch a few war movies today.
donniedarko
07-13-23, 05:11 PM
Submitted my list
I took a pretty lose detinition. Would've included some looser picks (Avatar) but I decided to just stick with IMDB categories, rather than stretching it looking at other data bases.
Some may not love some of my picks, and I'll probably help some of the more arthouse choices get on. Initial prediction I'd say 14 of mine make it
Citizen Rules
07-13-23, 05:27 PM
Submitted my list
I took a pretty lose detinition. Would've included some looser picks (Avatar) but I decided to just stick with IMDB categories, rather than stretching it looking at other data bases. Good thing you didn't include Avatar:p I just checked Imdb, Letterboxd and Rotten Tomatoes and it's not genre marked war...so wouldn't have been allowed anyway.
If you need some war movie ideas for your ballot...check out this countdown to the war countdown (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2395866#post2395866)
How many war movies have you seen now?
Citizen Rules
07-13-23, 06:16 PM
How many war movies have you seen now?Oh, I don't know:p I don't log them. But I started watching 1 war movie a day in the beginning of March. I missed some days as I've been watching WWII documentary series as well. But my guess is by the time the countdown starts that would be 125 war movies watched in prep for my ballot. Of course I've seen many before too.
SpelingError
07-14-23, 11:10 PM
Just finished making a rough draft of my ballot. I'll double check to make sure I didn't forget anything and try to submit it over the next couple days.
edarsenal
07-15-23, 12:55 PM
Got a tight list of old favorites with a few new ones and a couple I was hoping to catch before sending it in. The majority of which seems to be World War II for me. Not sure why; just always watched them since childhood.
KeyserCorleone
07-15-23, 02:10 PM
I watched about 50 movies for this ballot and I don't feel the need to watch many more. Having said that, I'm still going to Oppenheimer on Oppening Day. I might do a double-feature with Barbie with a friend.
Anyway, with Thursday Next's ballot, we've reached our first ten.
John W Constantine
07-15-23, 02:13 PM
Barbie could technically be considered a war film. Somewhere.
John Dumbear
07-15-23, 02:13 PM
... I'm still going to Oppenheimer on Oppening Day.
Well played...:flair:
KeyserCorleone
07-15-23, 02:13 PM
UPDATE: Hacksaw Ridge is on Prime and Tubi here in America. If you haven;t seen it, GET TO IT. That is the ONE movie I kept looking for before I decided I had seen enough last month.
After much debate with my war council and a team of dedicated advisers and spending days in quiet reflection, I have submitted my ballot. I have films from 10 different decades on my ballot.
KeyserCorleone
07-16-23, 01:16 PM
After much debate with my war counci
Is it bad that this made me think of a scene in my literal written attempt at an improved Loonatics?
"Rev stepped out of the lab quietly and met all the other Loonatics in the war room. Yes there was a war room. I mean, come on, if you had a futuristic tower with 134 floors, wouldn't you have a war room? They built theirs right under the Pizza Hut."
John W Constantine
07-16-23, 07:21 PM
Wondering where the ballot count for this thing will land, this is just about the time when the ballots start pouring in down the stretch. 89 has been the average during the previous five countdowns since I've been around. War seems to be somewhere along the lines of the foreign language countdown. I'll guess somewhere between 65 - 75 ballots.
Citizen Rules
07-16-23, 07:54 PM
Wondering where the ballot count for this thing will land, this is just about the time when the ballots start pouring in down the stretch. 89 has been the average during the previous five countdowns since I've been around. War seems to be somewhere along the lines of the foreign language countdown. I'll guess somewhere between 65 - 75 ballots.I'll guess the number of ballots will be between 50-60.
KeyserCorleone
07-16-23, 10:30 PM
So did anyone make a base top 25 at the start of the thread and change it overtime like I usually do? I only had a couple of changes overall so far, before I got bored, decided that I had enough five-stars and decided to wait for Oppenheimer. But overall, I have to say that this has been a lot of fun, helped teach me quite a few things about critiquing, got me through some major classics and even helped me with my own writing.
We have 10 DAYS LEFT before we reach the end of the obstacle course. Hope all y'all Private Gomers and Desmond Doss's had fun on this war game!
Citizen Rules
07-16-23, 10:47 PM
So did anyone make a base top 25 at the start of the thread and change it overtime like I usually do?... I initially made a list of all the war films I could remember seeing, I don't log them. That first list had 180 films on it. Right at the start I put about 35 of those that I thought were extra good, at the top of my list so I could give them more attention for my ballot.
I did rewatch a bunch of my potential ballot choices and a couple ended up getting booted as I didn't think they were nearly as good as I remembered. I still have 5 movies on my ballot that I need to rewatch so I can evaluate them...and I'm still watching war movies that I've never seen before. I really, really needed a ballot with 50 spots!:p
I initially made a list of all the war films I could remember seeing, I don't log them. That first list had 180 films on it. Right at the start I put about 35 of those that I thought were extra good, at the top of my list so I could give them more attention for my ballot.
I did rewatch a bunch of my potential ballot choices and a couple ended up getting booted as I didn't think they were nearly as good as I remembered. I still have 5 movies on my ballot that I need to rewatch so I can evaluate them...and I'm still watching war movies that I've never seen before. I really, really needed a ballot with 50 spots!:p
How many movies have you watched for this? Seems like every list has a homework MVP, and that’s gotta be you this time.
Citizen Rules
07-16-23, 11:19 PM
How many movies have you watched for this? Seems like every list has a homework MVP, and that’s gotta be you this time.I'm enjoying the countdown prep that's for sure. Even more important my wife likes war films too so that's a plus. I think I've seen about 125 since the war countdown was announced, some rewatches, many were first timers. I'm watching Dunkirk tonight, nope not that one:D
SpelingError
07-16-23, 11:52 PM
Just submitted my ballot. Looking forward to the list :up:
PHOENIX74
07-17-23, 02:23 AM
My ballot has just been submitted also - Private Phoenix has a full magazine that is locked and loaded, Sir!
I'm enjoying the countdown prep that's for sure. Even more important my wife likes war films too so that's a plus. I think I've seen about 125 since the war countdown was announced, some rewatches, many were first timers. I'm watching Dunkirk tonight, nope not that one:D
You should, that’s the good one. ;)
Very impressive. Fun to see you enjoying it so much.
SpelingError
07-17-23, 10:38 AM
Citizen Rules' leaked ballot:
1. Come and See
2. Dunkirk
3. Fortress of War
4. Citizen Goes to War With SpelingError
rauldc14
07-17-23, 11:12 AM
I have like 17 locked down. After that I don't know which way to go.
John W Constantine
07-17-23, 11:35 AM
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, then to War.
ScarletLion
07-17-23, 11:47 AM
I need to watch a couple more, but should have nice fat list of 25 by this time next week.
So did anyone make a base top 25 at the start of the thread and change it overtime like I usually do?
This is what I do every time! I make a super preliminary list and then modify. And there's usually a whole bunch of "oh yeah!" moments. At least one of which comes after the countdown has started, d'oh.
I went through my list of my 300 favourite films and selected the first 25 films that qualified. There were some later ones on the list that I wasn't able to include. I was surprised by how many war films are in my all time top 300.
Citizen Rules
07-17-23, 01:09 PM
Citizen Rules' leaked ballot:
1. Come and See
2. Dunkirk
3. Fortress of War
4. Citizen Goes to War With SpelingError:D...I had to look up #3 I didn't even remember that title.
Citizen Rules
07-17-23, 01:15 PM
I have like 17 locked down. After that I don't know which way to go.You should've joined us in SpelingErrors Group Watch it was a blast! And I found a number of great war films that I'd never had seen otherwise.
SpelingError
07-17-23, 01:43 PM
:D...I had to look up #3 I didn't even remember that title.
What did you think of #4 though?
SpelingError
07-17-23, 01:43 PM
Yeah, we had a pretty diverse group of nominations in the Group Watch thread. You all should've joined it, even if only for a round or two.
Citizen Rules
07-17-23, 01:56 PM
What did you think of #4 though?:p I hope Citizen Goes to War With SpelingError means we were Allies, other wise you have to be the Axis;)
Deschain
07-17-23, 03:26 PM
I've got a tentative list ready to go. Just gonna sleep on it and look at it with fresh eyes tomorrow before sending it in. But this is not fun, I'm trying to keep it true to the movies that I love but putting fun movies over serious and sad movies is tough. War sucks.
https://community.tablotv.com/uploads/default/original/2X/4/466dba3afeaff25d9dcb64895dd23fa62186379a.gif
I'll be out of the country and internet-averse from Friday, so my ballot is in. It's a good ballot. Not a great ballot, but a good ballot.
KeyserCorleone
07-17-23, 05:30 PM
I'll be out of the country and internet-averse from Friday, so my ballot is in. It's a good ballot. Not a great ballot, but a good ballot.
Am I am forced to accept such dissapointing quality? I scoff at your sloth.
Am I am forced to accept such dissapointing quality? I scoff at your sloth.Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war movie prelims.
I'm more of a lover than a fighter anyway. Just wait until we do Romance, I will crush it.
beelzebubble
07-17-23, 06:18 PM
I turned mine in long, long ago.
Submitted! There are a few entries on my list that are more "war-adjacent" than full-on war films, but if the "war" genre tag is good enough for Letterboxd, it's good enough for this forum.
What are they? Wait and see (if they make the list, that is. Otherwise, you'll see them when it's over when I post my ballot, as is tradition).
KeyserCorleone
07-19-23, 04:49 PM
20 ballots!
Harry Lime
07-19-23, 10:38 PM
Man if I had a dollar for every time in the last week or two that I went to my war list of 30 films and rearranged it using different criteria, trying to narrow it down to 25, well I would have about 10 bucks. But hey that's still 10 bucks.
This one's an odd one. I'm not ordering based on how I might rank them as just a film but more part that, part as a war film, part how it looks, and part random. At least my top 10 is mostly set. But I'll get there. Don't close the ballot without me, Keyser and Yoda!
Harry Lime
07-19-23, 10:40 PM
Also pretty excited about Oppenheimer. I'm no Nolan fanboy but I feel we have ourselves an actual movie here.
Much like anyone that's sent to an actual war, I'm ill-prepared for this. Haven't even thought about a list.
SpelingError
07-20-23, 12:43 AM
Oppenheimer wouldn't have made my ballot since I have a strict rule against rating recent releases 9/10 or higher to prevent recency bias on my part, but I plan to watch it with a friend.
Citizen Rules
07-20-23, 12:12 PM
The deadline for submitting your ballots will be extended to July 26thAre you going to be hardcore on the exact timing? What I mean is is there an exact minute for the deadline like 11:59 PST July 26th? Or?
KeyserCorleone
07-20-23, 12:24 PM
Are you going to be hardcore on the exact timing? What I mean is is there an exact minute for the deadline like 11:59 PST July 26th? Or?
The 26th is the last day, which means it's actually "closed" on the 27th. Considering that midnight changes depending on location, I'll get around to closing it at around 8:00 on Thursday. By that point the coffee will have settled some. After that, I'll message whichever users I didn't tally yet and who have an ineligible nom, letting them know there needs to be a change. In that event, Yoda will fix it.
Citizen Rules
07-20-23, 01:36 PM
The 26th is the last day, which means it's actually "closed" on the 27th. Considering that midnight changes depending on location, I'll get around to closing it at around 8:00 on Thursday. By that point the coffee will have settled some. After that, I'll message whichever users I didn't tally yet and who have an ineligible nom, letting them know there needs to be a change. In that event, Yoda will fix it.Thanks.
KeyserCorleone
07-20-23, 01:51 PM
Thanks.
No problem.
matt72582
07-20-23, 05:40 PM
Just made it! Submitted.
I love the new system compared to almost a decade ago. Thanks for doing this!!
KeyserCorleone
07-20-23, 05:59 PM
Just made it! Submitted.
I love the new system compared to almost a decade ago. Thanks for doing this!!
Thanks!
MovieFan1988
07-21-23, 03:03 PM
Submitted, only did 10 movies, I don't watch a lot of war movies really but plenty to make a good list of 10. Hopefully this countdown does well.
Citizen Rules
07-21-23, 03:23 PM
Submitted, only did 10 movies, I don't watch a lot of war movies really but plenty to make a good list of 10. Hopefully this countdown does well.I think we'll have fun, I know I'm having a blast.
KeyserCorleone
07-21-23, 07:26 PM
I just got back home from Oppenheimer. It's a very personal commentary that focuses on Oppenheimer's relationships with a plethora of minor characters, whose development relies on their experiences with Oppenheimer more the the minor characters of The Godfather. Cillian Murphy's acting is some of the best I've ever seen.
And it's not eligible on any of the three websites. Yet.
If anyone plans to see this before the final day, try to get it tagged as a war movie, or I can't count it. I guess it makes sense not to tag it as that, as science was the major theme. But war was a huge theme, too. So if The Imitation Game is eligible, then this should reasonably be.
Harry Lime
07-22-23, 04:15 PM
Okay list submitted. I've...enlisted.
KeyserCorleone
07-22-23, 05:14 PM
I just realized. You gotta be at least 18 to sign up for the army. Here you just need to be a month old.
rauldc14
07-23-23, 10:27 PM
Just realized I'm kind of running out of time here
John W Constantine
07-23-23, 10:33 PM
Don't think I'll be finished in time. So many choices.
Harry Lime
07-23-23, 11:34 PM
Just realized I'm kind of running out of time here
Don't think I'll be finished in time. So many choices.
You just gotta pull the trigger.
John W Constantine
07-23-23, 11:37 PM
We could torch the atmosphere
KeyserCorleone
07-24-23, 12:34 AM
We could torch the atmosphere
And here I am chillin' with my Shaman King.
John W Constantine
07-24-23, 12:50 AM
And here I am chillin' with my Shaman King.
Invite Florence Pu Pu face over for a netflix n chill.
John W Constantine
07-24-23, 12:49 PM
Guys! We need more ballots
donniedarko
07-24-23, 02:15 PM
sarah f would love to see what you come up with for a list
Tyler1 likewise
Mr Minio
WrinkledMind
07-24-23, 03:40 PM
Submitting it tomorrow.
John Dumbear
07-24-23, 04:06 PM
Ballot submitted with many good films on the cutting room floor...
Citizen Rules
07-24-23, 04:53 PM
Ballot submitted with many good films on the cutting room floor...I feel your pain bro!
Mr Minio
07-24-23, 05:23 PM
Mr Minio
https://i.imgur.com/Ogt3vf5.png
Citizen Rules
07-24-23, 08:25 PM
Submitted my war ballot! Geez that made me a bit nervous too, I kept thinking I'd hit the Submit button before I was done.
One thing I learned: If you're submitting a foreign war film and you can't find it when you type the common English name, try entering the original foreign language title. It worked for me.
cricket
07-24-23, 08:55 PM
I was rolling watching war films but haven't watched a single film of any kind in over 5 weeks. Happy that I remembered to submit my ballot.
Citizen Rules
07-24-23, 08:56 PM
I was rolling watching war films but haven't watched a single film of any kind in over 5 weeks. Happy that I remembered to submit my ballot.Working hard?
cricket
07-24-23, 09:03 PM
Working hard?
No my wife changed her hair color
Citizen Rules
07-24-23, 09:15 PM
No my wife changed her hair colorWhat? It's not still blonde?
cricket
07-24-23, 09:20 PM
What? It's not still blonde?
Nope, I've got a raven haired beauty. It felt like cheating at first, which was fun.
Citizen Rules
07-24-23, 09:21 PM
Nope, I've got a raven haired beauty. It felt like cheating at first, which was fun.Pics or it didn't happen!
cricket
07-24-23, 09:23 PM
Pics or it didn't happen!
I'll take one next Monday when we go out for her B'Day
I was shocked
Citizen Rules
07-24-23, 09:24 PM
I'll take one next Monday when we go out for her B'DayI don't know if you're kidding or not but going from blonde to raven hair must be quiet a change.
cricket
07-24-23, 09:25 PM
I don't know if you're kidding or not but going from blonde to raven hair must be quiet a change.
Yep very much
Citizen Rules
07-24-23, 09:28 PM
Yep very muchWow! My wife has naturally very dark raven hair and when we were first married I told her she should dye it blonde...I don't think she was happy about that:D
cricket
07-24-23, 09:30 PM
Wow! My wife has naturally very dark raven hair and when we were first married I told her she should dye it blonde...I don't think she was happy about that:D
I always told her I didn't want her to change it even temporarily, which was a lie, so she was relieved when I didn't bitch up a storm.
Citizen Rules
07-24-23, 09:36 PM
I always told her I didn't want her to change it even temporarily, which was a lie, so she was relieved when I didn't bitch up a storm.That reminds me of an old All in the Family TV episode. Gloria who was blonde had a raven wig and her husband was hot to have her wear it, which ended up making her jealous of the wig.
Act III
07-24-23, 09:47 PM
Lone Survivor (2009) isnt a war movie but Pans Labyrinth (2006) is?
I've got 15 movies "categorized" by IMDb into the war category and will submit a top 10 of those although I've probably seen more like 50-100 of them.
Act III
07-24-23, 09:54 PM
I would include films like 300 and Braveheart and Stormship Troopers but they dont get the war pill tag.
cricket
07-24-23, 09:56 PM
Lone Survivor (2009) isnt a war movie but Pans Labyrinth (2006) is?
I've got 15 movies "categorized" by IMDb into the war category and will submit a top 10 of those although I've probably seen more like 50-100 of them.
Lone Survivor has to be a war movie. Personally I wouldn't normally look it up to check, but I see it labeled as such on IMDb.
Act III
07-24-23, 10:03 PM
War of the Worlds (1953) isnt a war movie. They were dancing to disco lights of death, it wasnt a fight.
Act III
07-24-23, 10:05 PM
93904
Action Biography Drama
Act III
07-24-23, 10:11 PM
Well, dont consider my list anywhere near definitive.
cricket
07-24-23, 10:12 PM
93904
Action Biography Drama
If you scroll down below the storyline and just below the taglines, there's a box for genres.
Act III
07-24-23, 10:14 PM
If you scroll down below the storyline and just below the taglines, there's a box for genres.
Alright, thanks.
cricket
07-24-23, 10:16 PM
Alright, thanks.
One of my last cuts btw
rauldc14
07-25-23, 09:38 AM
Curious how many lists there be. Says 24 in the front page but gotta be more by now I would think.
ScarletLion
07-25-23, 09:41 AM
I didn't get round to watching about 3 or 4 war films that I wanted to, which makes me sad, but I've chucked a list in regardless.
James D. Gardiner
07-25-23, 09:41 AM
Got my ballot submitted. Looking forward to the results. Tally-ho!
Wyldesyde19
07-25-23, 02:17 PM
Ballot submitted
Citizen Rules
07-25-23, 02:29 PM
I didn't get round to watching about 3 or 4 war films that I wanted to, which makes me sad, but I've chucked a list in regardless.Not interested in war films much? Just asking, there's lots of genres I'm not interested in but I am interested in war films.
John W Constantine
07-25-23, 03:30 PM
You may not be interested in war films, but war films ARE interested in you.
KeyserCorleone
07-25-23, 03:39 PM
You may not be interested in war films, but war films ARE interested in you.
Hi, my name is Schindler's List, and I was wondering if you'd like to go on a date.
Oh crap, I forgot a couple of documentary films that should be here... Can I edit to include the likes of Peter Jackson's The Shall Not Grow Old? Or Ken Burns' The Civil War? etc
Fabulous
07-25-23, 05:34 PM
Sent my list.
ScarletLion
07-25-23, 05:53 PM
Not interested in war films much? Just asking, there's lots of genres I'm not interested in but I am interested in war films.
I think you may have misinterpreted. My long list was about 100 war films before I settled on 25. I watched about 20 for this countdown I hadn't seen before. I just couldn't manage the final 3 or 4.
Citizen Rules
07-25-23, 07:27 PM
I think you may have misinterpreted. My long list was about 100 war films before I settled on 25. I watched about 20 for this countdown I hadn't seen before. I just couldn't manage the final 3 or 4.Ah yeah I see now. I also had a number of films I wanted to watch or rewatch before the countdown but I didn't want to wait until the last moment to send in my ballot...My internet and or power has gone down before.
LAMb EELYAK
07-25-23, 10:11 PM
Had to cut a lot of really good movies, but it hurt leaving All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) off at the end.
edarsenal
07-25-23, 11:02 PM
List is in!!
LAMb EELYAK
07-26-23, 01:29 AM
My ballot:
1920s: 2
1930s: 1
1940s: 2
1950s: 3
1960s: 1
1970s: 2
1980s: 2
1990s: 1
2000s: 2
2010s: 8
2020s: 1
1 hr. 18 min. to 3 hr. 15 min., Average 2 hr. 13 min.
IMDb 6.3 to 9.0, Average 7.9
Rotten Tomatoes 41% to 100%, Average 89%
Audience Score 73% to 97%, Average 89%
Metacritic 44 to 97, Average 77
User Score 5.2 to 8.8, Average 7.8
These five sources show four different movies as the best, but one movie ranked worst in all but Rotten Tomatoes audience score.
1 Documentary
1 Repeated director
23 are primarily in English
Citizen Rules
07-26-23, 02:40 AM
My ballot:
British empire wars - 2
Korean war - 1
Vietnam war - 2
WWI - 1
WWII - 20
Little Ash
07-26-23, 07:23 AM
I think my war breakdown was:
WWII - 19
Vietnam - 3
WW1 - 1
The Russian Civil War - 1
The 1982 Lebanon War - 1
There was a second WW1 film I was considering, but didn't rewatch in time for this. There was a Korean war film I was contemplating, but ultimately cut it.
ETA: because Lamb's post, it made me curious about a couple of the RT scores on my list. At least one of mine doesn't have an icon for the critics reviews because there are only two reviews from critics for it in their site (upside, they're both fresh).
So... yeah. It's odds to make the countdown are probably not great (and it's in my top 10).
I believe my decade breakdown is:
50s: 6
60s: 7
70s: 5
80s: 5
90s: 1
00s: 1
Is the deadline still today? Need to get on this pronto!
edarsenal
07-26-23, 11:10 AM
Looks like WWII could be the dominant war so far and that includes myself
WWII: 13
WWI: 6
Vietnam: 2
British Empire: 2
Korean: 1
American Civil War: 1
1910s: 1
1930s: 2
1940s: 2
1950s: 2
1960s: 3
1970s: 4
1980s: 6
1990s: 1
2000s: 1
2010s: 2
2020s: 1
Looks like the only decade I missed was the Twenties
John Dumbear
07-26-23, 12:08 PM
I'll play...
My ballot:
1920s: 0
1930s: 1
1940s: 2
1950s: 2
1960s: 5
1970s: 7
1980s: 3
1990s: 2
2000s: 2
2010s: 0
2020s: 1
Up to 42 ballots. Get 'em in!
Citizen Rules
07-26-23, 01:00 PM
My ballot:
British empire wars - 2
Korean war - 1
Vietnam war - 2
WWI - 1
WWII - 20
I guess I'll update this with the decades, you can tell what I usually watch by the numbers.
1920s - 1
1930s - 1
1940s - 5
1950s - 13
1960s - 5
1980s - 2
2000s - 1
John Dumbear
07-26-23, 01:00 PM
Up to 42 ballots. Get 'em in!
First page is stuck on 24. Hoping there would be a lot more.
rauldc14
07-26-23, 01:01 PM
60 woulda been nice. Probably about 50 seems like.
Citizen Rules
07-26-23, 01:01 PM
First page is stuck on 24. Hoping there would be a lot more.Just hasn't been updated yet. We have 42 so far and more coming in.
rauldc14
07-26-23, 01:03 PM
Have we badgered the necessary people?
Citizen Rules
07-26-23, 01:06 PM
Have we badgered the necessary people?I don't think Keyser PMed people?
I sure did when I hosted the 1930s countdown...I was like a telemarketer with a speed dial machine!
Harry Lime
07-26-23, 01:11 PM
Have we badgered the necessary people?
Who are they? Name names!
Citizen Rules
07-26-23, 01:26 PM
Who are they? Name names!It's all the people who post daily at MoFo but can't bother to send in a voting ballot.
I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but I haven't kept up with this thread. What is the stance on films about fictional wars? Stuff like Duck Soup or Bergman's Shame? Doesn't matter as long as it's tagged as a "war film" on IMDb?
Little Ash
07-26-23, 02:15 PM
I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but I haven't kept up with this thread. What is the stance on films about fictional wars? Stuff like Duck Soup or Bergman's Shame? Doesn't matter as long as it's tagged as a "war film" on IMDb?
In terms of eligibility, apparently the tags are all the matter (it's one of three sites, I think. IMDb, letterboxd, and I'm forgetting the other one).
In terms of how people are voting, I think it's the usual "best X-genre movie" voting logic people usually have to deal with. I know the "best war movie" read vs "best movie that is a war movie" altered at least the placement of at least two or three movies on my ballot (actually probably all of them, come to think about it).
Thursday Next
07-26-23, 02:18 PM
My ballot decade breakdown:
1930s 1
1940s 2
1950s 5
1960s 3
1970s 1
1980s 5
1990s 4
2000s 1
2010s 2
2020s 1
KeyserCorleone
07-26-23, 04:17 PM
I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but I haven't kept up with this thread. What is the stance on films about fictional wars? Stuff like Duck Soup or Bergman's Shame? Doesn't matter as long as it's tagged as a "war film" on IMDb?
You just gotta see it tagged as "war" in the genre section of either of the three websites. I verify each nom just in case.
WrinkledMind
07-26-23, 04:28 PM
Done. I am satisfied with my choices, though I am certain when the reveals begin I am going to go
https://media.tenor.com/muj4RR_sPl0AAAAC/homer-simpson-les-simpson.gif
quite a few times.
My breakdown:
1920s: 1
1930s: 2
1940s: 1
1950s: 2
1960s: 5
1970s: 1
1980s: 6
1990s: 3
2000s: 3
2010s: 1
So it's nice to see I unintentionally have every decade represented.
I won't say some of the wars that I included because that might give away some of my picks, but these were the top ones:
World War II: 10
World War I: 4
Vietnam War: 4
I also had three films about fictional wars.
KeyserCorleone
07-26-23, 05:13 PM
Last day, everybody!
I'm watching ONE more movie for this before the deadline.
John W Constantine
07-26-23, 07:30 PM
42 ballots
MOAR!!!
MovieFan1988
07-26-23, 07:37 PM
My decade breakdown:
1970s: 1
1980s: 2
1990s: 2
2000s: 4
2010s: 1
I only have 10 films
KeyserCorleone
07-26-23, 07:44 PM
MOAR!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7P51rkxbyg
rauldc14
07-26-23, 07:47 PM
How many MOAR did we get now?
KeyserCorleone
07-26-23, 08:07 PM
How many MOAR did we get now?
5 more :P.
LAMb EELYAK
07-26-23, 09:01 PM
American Civil War: 1
WWI: 6
WWII: 13
Cold War: 1
Vietnam: 1
Other: 3
I'm not gonna be specific, but two films pretttttttyyyyyy near the top of the list are separated by a single point right now. So yeah, if you haven't submitted a ballot, you could make a really big difference still.
There's also three in the top 10 really near each other. :eek:
iluv2viddyfilms
07-26-23, 10:13 PM
Just got mine submitted yesterday. I haven't done a count by specific war or conflict, but tried to make sure mine were all classified on imdb.com as war films, I had at least two that might stretch the definition a bit.
KeyserCorleone
07-26-23, 11:24 PM
I'm not gonna be specific, but two films pretttttttyyyyyy near the top of the list are separated by a single point right now. So yeah, if you haven't submitted a ballot, you could make a really big difference still.
Two of our top ones have the same amount of points and ballots, and I literally just sent in my ballot just now. So we definitely need those new ballots.
Btw, we just passed 50!
rauldc14
07-27-23, 06:22 AM
Didn't really know who to badger due to the front page not being updated but is what it is.
John-Connor
07-27-23, 06:29 AM
My guess for the two top spots right now is Strangelove and Schindler.
WrinkledMind
07-27-23, 07:11 AM
My guess for the two top spots right now is Strangelove and Schindler.
I would take a bet on Come & See.
John W Constantine
07-27-23, 09:29 AM
**waives white flag**
My guess for the two top spots right now is Strangelove and Schindler.
I would take a bet on Come & See.
I will put my money on both Saving Private Ryan and Apocalypse Now being above two of those.
John-Connor
07-27-23, 10:19 AM
I would take a bet on Come & See.
I will put my money on both Saving Private Ryan and Apocalypse Now being above two of those.
What is this MoFo Resorts & Casino's..? :D I'll take both ya'll bets.. Yoda should make it so that we can gamble with acquired Reputation points. ©
Well done everyone! Thank you for all the ballots.
Now you all have to put up with me doing boring behind the scenes stuff for at least a few days. Stay tuned.
John W Constantine
07-27-23, 10:43 AM
Well done everyone! Thank you for all the ballots.
Now you all have to put up with me doing boring behind the scenes stuff for at least a few days. Stay tuned.
Final vote tally?
WrinkledMind
07-27-23, 11:50 AM
What is this MoFo Resorts & Casino's..? :D I'll take both ya'll bets.. Yoda should make it so that we can gamble with acquired Reputation points. ©
That's the least he could do. It's not like he is doing anything important in here :whistlewhite:
John Dumbear
07-27-23, 12:04 PM
I would take a bet on Come & See.
Watched this about a month ago because of the praise it has gotten here. My review, "over rated".
Citizen Rules
07-27-23, 12:55 PM
[Come and See]Watched this about a month ago because of the praise it has gotten here. My review, "over rated". I gave it rating_1 and said this in my review (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1509766#post1509766)"Come and See...is a heavy handed Soviet propaganda film about as subtle as a bottle of Smirnoff served in a dirty glass."
People complain that Saving Private Ryan is American flag waving propaganda but the heaviest handed propaganda films I've seen came out of the Soviet Union and Come and See might be the biggest state sponsored propaganda film of them all.
Russian war movies are the worst.
Citizen Rules
07-27-23, 01:12 PM
Russian war movies are the worst.I think some were well made like The Cranes Are Flying (1957) & Ballad of a Soldier (1959) and those are way more honest and more artistically filmed than Come and See. Yet Come and See will finish high on the countdown and to that I say Нет.
SpelingError
07-27-23, 03:55 PM
Looking forward to the list.
Wyldesyde19
07-27-23, 07:21 PM
I gave it rating_1 and said this in my review (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1509766#post1509766)"Come and See...is a heavy handed Soviet propaganda film about as subtle as a bottle of Smirnoff served in a dirty glass."
People complain that Saving Private Ryan is American flag waving propaganda but the heaviest handed propaganda films I've seen came out of the Soviet Union and Come and See might be the biggest state sponsored propaganda film of them all.
While I respect your view, it is actually incorrect in labeling this as “propaganda”. For whom, exactly? Certainly not for Russia. They levied the same charge against it in their argento to censor it. Too “realistic” was the claim. The fact is, the massacre we see was based an actual accounts. Are the Germans reduced to caricatures? Not if those actions were indeed what actually occurred. And we all know the Germans were capable of such atrocities. There is no exaggeration in this film.
If we are going to levy that charge against Come and See (the depiction of the Germans) we have to also levy that charge At Schindler’s List, and I love that movie as well!
As for the lack of a sympathetic German? There were none at that town
Citizen Rules
07-27-23, 07:52 PM
While I respect your view, it is actually incorrect in labeling this as “propaganda”. For whom, exactly? Certainly not for Russia. They levied the same charge against it in their argento to censor it. Too “realistic” was the claim. The fact is, the massacre we see was based an actual accounts. Are the Germans reduced to caricatures? Not if those actions were indeed what actually occurred. And we all know the Germans were capable of such atrocities. There is no exaggeration in this film.
If we are going to levy that charge against Come and See (the depiction of the Germans) we have to also levy that charge At Schindler’s List, and I love that movie as well!
As for the lack of a sympathetic German? There were none at that townI've had this conversation before. So to be clear, I'm not saying the actions of killing civilians is a caricature. I believe the actions of the German soldiers in Come and See (killing everyone in a town and even burning them alive, is accurate). What I am complaining about is the heavy handed way the German soldiers are portrayed in that film (like disorderly jumping around acting ridiculous), which is akin to having Japanese soldiers looking and acting like caricatures in some 1940s movie so the audience sees them as idiots.
In other words it's not the actions they take, it's their body language and vocal reactions to the burning of civilians by the actors playing Germans that I'm calling heavy handed propaganda. Maybe I didn't explain it well in my review.
Wyldesyde19
07-27-23, 08:08 PM
I've had this conversation before. So to be clear, I'm not saying the actions of killing civilians is a caricature. I believe the actions of the German soldiers in Come and See (killing everyone in a town and even burning them alive, is accurate). What I am complaining about is the heavy handed way the German soldiers are portrayed in that film (like disorderly jumping around acting ridiculous), which is akin to having Japanese soldiers looking and acting like caricatures in some 1940s movie so the audience sees them as idiots.
In other words it's not the actions they take, it's their body language and vocal reactions to the burning of civilians by the actors playing Germans that I'm calling heavy handed propaganda. Maybe I didn't explain it well in my review.
I feel like that’s a slight exaggeration of the film. However, let’s not forget that there are first hand accounts of German soldiers who absolutely behaved in that manner. And again, the actions you described were depicted even more so in Schindlers List
Citizen Rules
07-27-23, 08:13 PM
I feel like that’s a slight exaggeration of the film. However, let’s not forget that there are first hand accounts of German soldiers who absolutely behaved in that manner. And again, the actions you described were depicted even more so in Schindlers ListI honestly don't remember the German soldiers or SS acting so silly in Schindler's List, they were cruel that's for sure. Maybe the cruelest and to my mind the most believable portrayal of SS was in the movie The Grey Zone.
SpelingError
07-27-23, 09:12 PM
The portrayal of the Nazis in Come and See isn't realistic (in regards to the over-the-top behavior of them during the village massacre), but the film isn't going for realism. It's going for surrealism. Given the real-life savagery of the Dirlewanger brigade (which wasn't a disciplined army unit and was mainly made up of army rejects, murderers, rapists, etc.), in addition to how we're watching the film from the POV of a child, it's normal for the film to feel strange and bent out of shape. The opening scene of Florya's friend mocking the village elder's voice sets you up for the tone of the rest of the film.
sarah f
08-01-23, 02:29 PM
The movies in any given series gotta be individualized. So don't vote for the entire Human Condition trilogy or the War and Peace series from the 60's in one entry. You can still have all three or four separate on your ballot. Some will vote for either/or and have only seen one or more parts of the War and Peace series, so I'm going to count them as individualized.
Okay, I'm just seeing this now, and I'm sure it's already been litigated, and obviously several people have already submitted, but what the hell is this? War and Peace is a single movie. Not only is it absurd to count it as 4 different movies when no one conceives of it that way, but it also hurts its chances in the ranking to force people to spend 4 whole slots on a single movie or just choose one of the parts and hope other people choose the same one. I just don't get it. Like, I am someone who is willing to spend all four slots on it because it's one of the greatest movies ever made, but how many people will do the same? Even on wikipedia, they repeatedly call it a single film.
94069
Anyway, much love!
KeyserCorleone
08-01-23, 04:17 PM
Okay, I'm just seeing this now, and I'm sure it's already been litigated, and obviously several people have already submitted, but what the hell is this? War and Peace is a single movie. Not only is it absurd to count it as 4 different movies when no one conceives of it that way, but it also hurts its chances in the ranking to force people to spend 4 whole slots on a single movie or just choose one of the parts and hope other people choose the same one. I just don't get it. Like, I am someone who is willing to spend all four slots on it because it's one of the greatest movies ever made, but how many people will do the same? Even on wikipedia, they repeatedly call it a single film.
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=94069
Anyway, much love!
I've already been over the plethora of points made by this website and contradicted them with others. I'm not including one 1965 movie that was half released in 1967. It's not fair to those who don't have the time, and as I predicted, there were plenty of people who didn't have time for all the long movies. I don't care if they're all featured on the same DVD release, they didn't have DVD released when the last two parts were released in 1967, and I'm not going through all the discussions as to "what constitutes a movie in comparison to a series." The ballots have been tallied, and you shouldn't be asking people to make time for both Shoah and War and Peace and count the latter as one movie. If someone can only watch one or two parts, then please don't behave like a purist about it.
WWII - 13 films
Napoleonic Wars - 4 films
WWI - 2
Vietnam - 2
The Third Crusade - 1
First War of Scottish Independence - 1
French and Indian War - 1
Unnamed African Civil War - 1
The Cold War - 1
Boer War - 1
This was the war breakdown for me I think some of my picks are pretty obvious
cricket
08-01-23, 10:03 PM
Okay, I'm just seeing this now, and I'm sure it's already been litigated, and obviously several people have already submitted, but what the hell is this? War and Peace is a single movie. Not only is it absurd to count it as 4 different movies when no one conceives of it that way, but it also hurts its chances in the ranking to force people to spend 4 whole slots on a single movie or just choose one of the parts and hope other people choose the same one. I just don't get it. Like, I am someone who is willing to spend all four slots on it because it's one of the greatest movies ever made, but how many people will do the same? Even on wikipedia, they repeatedly call it a single film.
94069
Anyway, much love!
I voted for it for the 60's countdown and would have had it top 10 here. There's no way I could have voted for it in parts as I watched it as just 1 film. Hopefully some or all of it still makes it.
sarah f
08-02-23, 03:12 PM
I also have a question about the genre rules. It has to have "war" listed as a genre at one of those websites, right? There are a couple movies I've looked up that had war listed as a theme on letterboxd, but not as a genre. I'm assuming those wouldn't count? Thanks!
honeykid
08-02-23, 04:38 PM
I also have a question about the genre rules. It has to have "war" listed as a genre at one of those websites, right? There are a couple movies I've looked up that had war listed as a theme on letterboxd, but not as a genre. I'm assuming those wouldn't count? Thanks!
No, they don't count. As I found to my cost. :D
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