Beneficiaries of "Cancel Culture"?

[matt72582]

Shane Gillis? He was unknown (by his own words) until he was hired by SNL. They find some Asian slurs, and the next day, they fire him, but he gets a ton of popularity and support from the stand-up community, and now his specials, or even appearances can get him millions. I think he's funny, especially with a group of friends.


https://youtu.be/c1DH7z9udvI

[John McClane]

If you can’t be funny without using slurs then you are not funny.

[matt72582]

I think he's funnier in an interview setting, but his stand-up isn't bad.. Likable guy.


https://youtu.be/zKUpf1Vx0vs

[AgrippinaX]

Shane Gillis? He was unknown (by his own words) until he was hired by SNL. They find some Asian slurs, and the next day, they fire him, but he gets a ton of popularity and support from the stand-up community, and now his specials, or even appearances can get him millions. I think he's funny, especially with a group of friends.


https://youtu.be/c1DH7z9udvI

I’m having a horrendous day and haven’t slept for 22+ hours, so if I am to be banned, so be it… but I did read the bit in bold as ‘Asian sluts’, so help me god…

[matt72582]

I’m having a horrendous day and haven’t slept for 22+ hours, so if I am to be banned, so be it… but I did read the bit in bold as ‘Asian sluts’, so help me god…


Oh man. Sorry to hear. I just went 30 hours Sat-Sun. And that's the least of my issues.



Good luck. Meditation helps, if you have the discipline. Even a few deep breaths in bed, slowly, has helped me.

[AgrippinaX]

Oh man. Sorry to hear. I just went 30 hours Sat-Sun. And that's the least of my issues.

Good luck. Meditation helps, if you have the discipline. Even a few deep breaths in bed, slowly, has helped me.

Thank you — as a seasoned insomniac, you’re right, that does work. But hell, did this thread cheer me up, so thanks for that. Sad that Asian sluts weren’t part of it.

[beelzebubble]

Thank you — as a seasoned insomniac, you’re right, that does work. But hell, did this thread cheer me up, so thanks for that. Sad that Asian sluts weren’t part of it.


Sounds like something Mr. Mineo would say.

[AgrippinaX]

Sounds like something Mr. Mineo would say.

Well, I mean, who would willingly miss out on some Asian sluts…

[Mr Minio]

Sounds like something Mr. Mineo would say. Yep, Mr. Mineo would. ;)

[TheDoctor]

If you can’t be funny without using slurs then you are not funny.

There is some slight problem here:

.) "Funny" is relative or i better say it is based on subjectivity.

.) I think it is a serious problem, as soon a certain "group" or "majority" of people decide what is "funny" and what is not.


Yes, i see the "cancel-culture" as well as the "woke-culture" as a general problem:

.) It is a group of people, who decide what is "good" and what is "bad".

.) It is a group of people, who "punish" all those, who are "bad".

.) I think the woke-culture is in fact causing the exact opposite of what they actually are targeting, because on the long run, this whole thing will probably cause even more people to become "bad" after all, rather than being "good" as the woke- and cancel-culture wants everyone to be.*

*I know people who never had a problem with gays, in fact they just never cared for sexual-related things like that, but now with all those "forced" gay-scenes in movies and stuff and the way how everyone is "forced" to accept it all, they start to get this weird feeling of really having enough of all that "gay crap" after all.

A feeling, they never had before until this whole thing started.

[matt72582]

A feeling, they never had before until this whole thing started.


This is all pushed by business interests. "Just post a metoo hashtag, and those idiots will forget about destroying the world economy"


People are more conformist than ever in history. Some might look at these niche groups with diverse tastes all over the world and think differently.. Like "the elephant theory". It's unbelievable how whatever is trending just coincides with exactly what most people trivialize/gossip about.

[John McClane]

Yes, funny is relative. But if you look at the definition of slur it is incompatible with funny.

an *insinuation* or *allegation* about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.

It’s no different than the new “prank” culture all over social media. People can’t bully and belittle people in public and then say “oh it’s just a prank”. Sorry to say but there’s just a whole new generation of unfunny people.

And there’s no such thing as cancel culture or woke culture. There’s just right and wrong.

[jal90]

Just to say, the term "cancel culture" is useful when you don't want to make the artist or the company they work for accountable for their own decisions, but the rest of the day it's a meaningless buzzterm.

[TheDoctor]

Yes, funny is relative. But if you look at the definition of slur it is incompatible with funny.


Of course a slur itself ain´t funny, i mean who is laughing about a slur???

So does this mean, a slur is also "incompatible" with "funny"?

TheDoctor clearly says "Nope", coz slurs can indeed be compatible with "funny", or should i bring a few examples of dark humor jokes, who are using racist slurs or racist remarks?

Besides racist-jokes, I could also talk about how hilarious it is, to tell when a baby is knocking onto the oven-window from inside a oven or even funnier, how a baby doesn´t fit into an elevator while having a spear through its head!

Or is general dark humor (those racist-jokes as well as cruel baby-jokes and all others!) already generally banned by the woke- and cancel-culture? Are "racist jokes" only used by racists and is everyone who is laughig about a racist-joke a racist?

Now what probably will shock people, regarding dark humor:

https://www.google.com/search?q=dark+humor+is+for+intelligent+people&rlz=1C1CHBD_deAT891AT891&sxsrf=AB5stBgPa5_78jBrRqbI0Vjg_HQ-fR5pRQ%3A1688820575484&ei=X1upZO2RHcCmi-gPpIS1mAY&ved=0ahUKEwitvfbzkv__AhVA0wIHHSRCDWMQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=dark+humor+is+for+intelligent+people&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiJGRhcmsgaHVtb3IgaXMgZm9yIGludGVsbGlnZW50IHBlb3BsZUj8JVAAWKUkcAB4AZABAJgBnQ GgAa0ZqgEEMjcuOLgBA8gBAPgBAcICBxAjGIoFGCfCAgQQIxgnwgIHEAAYigUYQ8ICCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBwgILEC4YigUYsQMYgw HCAgUQABiABMICCBAAGIAEGLEDwgIMECMYigUYExiABBgnwgIFEC4YgATCAggQLhiABBixA8ICCBAuGLEDGIAEwgILEC4YgAQYsQ MYgwHCAg4QLhiABBixAxiDARjUAsICCBAAGIAEGMsBwgILEC4YgAQYxwEYrwHCAgsQLhiABBjHARjRA8ICBhAAGBYYHsICCBAAGB YYHhgKwgIFECEYoAHCAggQIRgWGB4YHcICBRAAGKIE4gMEGAAgQYgGAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

[TheDoctor]

the rest of the day it's a meaningless buzzterm.

That depends on how much your real-life existence is dependent on social platforms online.

If you lose your job, lose lots of money or if you are getting daily death-threats, because of some culture building up online, then i am afraid "cancel culture" is way more than just a "meaningless buzzterm" for the rest of YOUR day.

[jal90]

That depends on how much your real-life existence is dependent on social platforms online.

If you lose your job, lose lots of money or if you are getting daily death-threats, because of some culture building up online, then i am afraid "cancel culture" is way more than just a "meaningless buzzterm" for the rest of YOUR day.
That's still deviating the attention from the actual decision makers. You don't "get fired" because of criticism, the company you work for fires you. If you have to blame somebody, it should be SNL in this case, not your average Twitter user. Similarly, and I'm not saying this is the case because honestly saying slurs is tame compared to what some weirdos have done, it is entirely possible that one ends their own career due to poor decisions, not connecting with their established audience or simply being jerks. It has happened multiple times throughout history.

Anyway, can people become a political or social pressure force? Sure. But that is not what happens usually, not even in a frequent enough basis to call it "cancel culture". Most of the time it is people far more powerful than the average social platform user is making the decisions. And using the term "cancel culture" is, in this most frequent case, an effective way for them to dodge the consequences of their own decisions.

[EsmagaSapos]

If you can’t be funny without using slurs then you are not funny.


https://youtu.be/6yWN6rb2Ymw

[TheDoctor]

You don't "get fired" because of criticism,

The "cancel-culture" wouldn´t be called "cancel-culture" if they would just criticize people.

They exactly know what they are doing and you can be sure, if a person loses its job because of certain comments on its social-media page, then it wasn´t a "terrible accident" nor a "unhappy misunderstanding" in the most cases.

So that´s why they have gotten their name "cancel-culture"!

They "cancel" other people and also make sure that those people are getting "canceled" from others who are in fact not even a part of the "cancel-culture" (or unaware of it) and that´s what is making that "cancel-culture" so dangerous, because people can become an active part of it, not even being aware of it.

the company you work for fires you. If you have to blame somebody, it should be SNL in this case, not your average Twitter user.

Are you familiar with "causality"?

If you push a bigass boulder and it starts rollin down the mountain, crashing into a car and causing 5 dead people.

Who has to be blamed?

The boulder?
The 5 people driving the car?
The car itself?
You?
Or was it the mountain who caused 5 people to lose their lives?

If the comment from a social-media user causes a company to fire someone, then it was the social media user who caused another person to lose its job, not the company. It is really easy as that and not overly complicated.

[John McClane]

Aint nobody getting canceled that shouldn’t have already been canceled. Just a smoke screen. Top shelf smoke tho

[Corax]

If you can’t be funny without using slurs then you are not funny.
If the slurs in Blazing Saddles and don't make you laugh, then you may be a fun hater. See your doctor if fun-hating lasts for more than 2-hours.



Don't give offense lightly, but don't take offense lightly either. And as is so often the case in conversation, context is king.



If we can't joke with each other about sensitive issues, I guess we always have mass shootings, riots, and road rage.

[jal90]

The "cancel-culture" wouldn´t be called "cancel-culture" if they would just criticize people.

They exactly know what they are doing and you can be sure, if a person loses its job because of certain comments on its social-media page, then it wasn´t a "terrible accident" nor a "unhappy misunderstanding" in the most cases.

So that´s why they have gotten their name "cancel-culture"!

They "cancel" other people and also make sure that those people are getting "canceled" from others who are in fact not even a part of the "cancel-culture" (or unaware of it) and that´s what is making that "cancel-culture" so dangerous, because people can become an active part of it, not even being aware of it.



Are you familiar with "causality"?

If you push a bigass boulder and it starts rollin down the mountain, crashing into a car and causing 5 dead people.

Who has to be blamed?

The boulder?
The 5 people driving the car?
The car itself?
You?
Or was it the mountain who caused 5 people to lose their lives?

If the comment from a social-media user causes a company to fire someone, then it was the social media user who caused another person to lose its job, not the company. It is really easy as that and not overly complicated.
Are you familiar with "accountability"?


Because all you are saying still doesn't place an ounce of responsibility in the acts of those who effectively censor or fire Shane Gillis. Firing him is still a decision made and kept by SNL. And you can justify it in that the environment of social media "forced" the company to make that decision, that doesn't change that it was their choice to do so and that by talking about the nebulous "cancel culture" and shifting the blame to the collective the company that actually fired, censored and/or arguably mistreated one of their employees is not held accountable at all.


Also yes, what people call "cancel culture" is often just criticizing online. Because that's what most people can do. Not even 8 million social media users saying specifically that some guy deserves to be fired can break a contract made between a company and its employee. They don't have that kind of power. They just make a noise that the companies or employers, in their own, interpret in order to make the decisions they should absolutely be held accountable for, because what they do with their workers is their responsibility.

[Captain Steel]

Sounds like something Mr. Mineo would say.

Beat me to it! ;)

[Captain Steel]

Aint nobody getting canceled that shouldn’t have already been canceled. Just a smoke screen. Top shelf smoke tho

Can't say I agree with that, John. There've been many stories over the last few years of people getting "canceled" for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

I remember one from a few years back of a truck driver who made the "okay" sign with his fingers. Someone saw this, took a photo, and reported the man for giving a "white power" hand gesture near where a BLM rally was taking place (the man was Latino, btw). He was subsequently fired from his job for simply signaling "okay" out his window. (Perhaps he should've used the ol' thumbs up gesture, but who knows? That may have been co-opted by some group to now mean something it never did before also.)

[John McClane]

Can't say I agree with that, John. There've been many stories over the last few years of people getting "canceled" for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

I remember one from a few years back of a truck driver who made the "okay" sign with his fingers. Someone saw this, took a photo, and reported the man for giving a "white power" hand gesture near where a BLM rally was taking place (the man was Latino, btw). He was subsequently fired from his job for simply signaling "okay" out his window. (Perhaps he should've used the ol' thumbs up gesture, but who knows? That may have been co-opted by some group to now mean something it never did before also.)This doesn’t imply that he never worked as a truck driver ever again, which would be the cancel culture I am talking about. The kind that only exists in the minds of the entitled minded and public figures. The free market just makes cancel culture an impossibility.

[Corax]

This doesn’t imply that he never worked as a truck driver ever again, which would be the cancel culture I am talking about.

Well, that's an amazingly insensitive definition. Sure, he lost his job and money and was publicly traumatized, but he probably found another crappy truck driving job, so he was not "cancelled." Except that he was.

The kind that only exists in the minds of the entitled minded and public figures. The free market just makes cancel culture an impossibility.
Can we stop pretending that cancel culture doesn't exist? We're not on this part of the BINGO sheet anymore.

1. It's not happening.

2. It's happening, but not that much.

3. It is happening, and this is why it's a good thing!

4. It's always been this way.

[John McClane]

I was entertaining the idea that it actually happened. I haven’t even seen one example in this thread of cancel culture actually existing so why you looking at a bingo card when there’s only one column?

[Captain Steel]

This doesn’t imply that he never worked as a truck driver ever again, which would be the cancel culture I am talking about. The kind that only exists in the minds of the entitled minded and public figures. The free market just makes cancel culture an impossibility.

Hmmm... I would say that depends largely on the career. (For the record, the guy I referred to as a "truck driver" was a utility technician for San Diego Gas & Electric. I don't know what ultimately happened with his work or if he found a similar job.)

Those careers with higher public exposure are probably more prone to more permanent cases of cancelling.

Ultimately, every case should be examined on its own merit rather than having people (and businesses) jumping to conclusions like Salem villagers looking to stone someone every time someone points a finger and cries "witch!"

There are a lot of frivolous cases out there (just like the one I described) where people are fired or publicly humiliated when they did absolutely nothing wrong.

[matt72582]

Mr Sal Mineo

[TheDoctor]

Are you familiar with "accountability"?


Because all you are saying still doesn't place an ounce of responsibility in the acts of those who effectively censor or fire Shane Gillis. Firing him is still a decision made and kept by SNL.

I am talking about all the cancel-culture victims in general. You seem to constantly talk about Shane Gillis who got fired by the SNL. Also, there are lots of ways to "cancel" someone and it doesn´t automatically mean someone loses his job if he is "canceled".

[jal90]

I am talking about all the cancel-culture victims in general. You seem to constantly talk about Shane Gillis who got fired by the SNL. Also, there are lots of ways to "cancel" someone and it doesn´t automatically mean someone loses his job if he is "canceled".
I mean, this thread is about Shane Gillis, and by extension I would also talk about people who are fired by companies; this kind of "cancellation" that ultimately depends on the decision of a CEO is not one I think should be called as such, because in the end there is somebody who made the decision and is not being held accountable for a decision that is being criticized and is theirs.

I do not disagree that there is some sort of cancellation pressure out there, by the way; I just disagree with the targets. Actual examples of "cancel culture" I've seen by social media users are, for instance, some fan artists getting bullied out of internet spaces by people who are very aggressive against their art expression, using stuff like doxxing tactics or hacking their income sources; an actor being fired for some obscure "bad rep" reasons by an influential company is not that case, in my opinion. It is shifting the blame of those who make the actual choice and have that responsibility toward a very comfortable amalgam of nobodies saying random stuff on the internet.

[TheDoctor]

I mean, this thread is about Shane Gillis,.

Uhm, well, the thread is explicitly called "Beneficiaries of "Cancel Culture" while Shane Gillis was just another example of what is happening these days, regarding the cancel-culture, so in my opinion it is a little far fetched to claim it would be solely about Shane Gilis.

This is probably the prime example of what everyone likes to see, so people rather see what they want to see, meaning: I see this thread talking about the cancel-culture, you see it as a Shane Gillis Exclusive while talking about the cancel-culture is just a rather more or less unimportant small-talk.


I do not disagree that there is some sort of cancellation pressure out there

Honestly, if someone would claim the opposite or telling that there neither ain´t any "threat" nor "pressure", i would suspect the user to be living inside his own secure bubble-universe, which haven´t much to do with our actual reality* at hand.

*According to quantum physics, we aren´t even sure what the "real" reality actually is. :D

[Captain Steel]

*According to quantum physics, we aren´t even sure what the "real" reality actually is. :D

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