Fan-Based STAR TREK Series

[Captain Steel]

This thread is dedicated to Star Trek films, shows, or web series created by fans (or anything similar).

Starting out with Star Trek Continues - one of the most authentic web series (as in: loyal to Gene Roddenberry's original TV show) which was released between 2013 - 2017.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Continues

For a list of all 11 episodes in order available on YouTube click here: https://www.youtube.com/user/StarTrekContinues

[gbgoodies]

I've heard about a few fan-made Star Trek movies that are supposed to be pretty good, but for some reason, I've never gotten around to watching any of them. It's mostly a time issue for me, but I also sometimes have a hard time believing other actors in the roles of the main characters. I think I might be more inclined to try to make time to see the ones that are Star Trek based, but have unknown characters on other starships.

[Citizen Rules]

I've been watching Star Trek Continues every night. The writing keeps getting better. I just finished Embracing the Winds last night.

Kirk has to choose between Spock and a competing female officer for captaincy of another starship, but issues of competence in the role as well as gender issues cause difficulties. What I liked about this episode is that it explained the back story to a long burning question from the original series: why weren't there women captains in Starfleet during the 23rd century? So the episode explores that and also covers a modern social issue: are women still being excluded from positions of power, or are they just not meeting the qualifications for the position they apply for. And...this is done while tying that story idea into the question of what happened to the USS Hood.

What I liked was the show took a gutsy position, while being balanced and true to the original content of Star Trek.

There's a 4 minute trailer on IMDB's Star Trek Continues page here:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2732442/?ref_=vp_back

[Captain Steel]

Tonight I'd like to talk about Todd Haberkorn who plays Mr. Spock in Star Trek Continues (STC).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/c3/f5/d2c3f568f396a6a7300d3f1de93ea24b.jpg

He's not Leonard Nimoy - he doesn't look like Nimoy nor sound anything like Nimoy (there was only one Leonard Nimoy).
So Haberkorn's Spock seems a bit different at first.

What strikes me is he actually comes off as more "alien" than the original Mr. Spock... which makes him believable as a non-human.

He plays not having emotions very well. He may not seem like the Spock we're used to (which could probably be said of all the young actors playing the parts established by more well known actors from the original TV show that this web series is based on), but he does make a very good Vulcan as he seems to have incorporated their known qualities into his acting for STC.

[Citizen Rules]

Todd Haberkorn makes a decent Vulcan. He's his own character type. Like you said, it's easy to believe he's an alien from his mannerisms. I didn't care for him during the first two episodes. But, that's because he had little air time and no real character development. He came into his own in the third episode Fairest of Them All (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3804654/?ref_=ttep_ep3) The mirror universe episode and that's when I started liking his character.

Though my one complaint in the first episodes was the make up! I actually told my wife as we're watching STC that Spock needed some darker makeup as Leonard Nimoy had darker olive skin tones and he needed green eye shadow too, as Spock sported green eye shadow!

Then guess what? They did just as I had requested, gave him dark olive make up and the green eye shadow as well. Well maybe too much makeup as at times it's quit unnatural looking. I wish they would've had a make up artist who could matched the base skin tones to the lighting being used. But overall I was happy that they followed 'my suggestion'.

Actually my biggest complaint about the show was the make up and hair choices for most of the characters. Strange that they looked the best in the mirror episode.


There's been a lot of Star Trek actors playing various Vulcan characters and scant few have really stood out. I think that's because when an actor plays a sci-fi alien, especially a Vulcan they almost become robotic in their delivery of their lines. That was most prevalent with guest start on TNG.

Obviously Leonard Nimoy's Spock was one of the greats

[Captain Steel]

I will agree that some of the wigs on STC were kind of laughable.
Like the counselor, who is a beautiful woman and still pulled it off, had very fake looking hair (although I understand they were trying to match the hairstyles on the show in the late 60's).
McCoy's hair looked ill fitting at times (the second, better McCoy), but it was kind of funny that they changed Chris Doohan's (Scotty) hair the same way his father's hair alternated on the show from parted on the side to combed straight back - at least in the sequel to Mirror Mirror STC episode - they had Scotty's hair parted and combed to the side.

Speaking of Scotty, I take it you've gotten to the episode where they refer to the Scotty & Uhura romance? This was an allusion to the relationship that I believe was only referred to in the poorly-received Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (but I don't think was ever even hinted at before or after).

It was these kinds of little references in STC (both to things that occurred on the TV series and in the original movie franchise) that made me a fan of the series.

[Captain Steel]

Grant Imahara (1970-2020)

https://www.executivespeakers.com/images/speakers/Grant%20Imahara/2019177183131Cropped-Imahara-G-Photo.jpg

I didn't even know about this until we started talking about the series again, but sadly Grant Imahara (who played Sulu on STC) passed away this year from a brain aneurism.

Grant was formerly known as a regular on the TV series Mythbusters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WKYmgL-DOU

[Citizen Rules]

...I take it you've gotten to the episode where they refer to the Scotty & Uhura romance? This was an allusion to the relationship that I believe was only referred to in the poorly-received Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (but I don't think was ever even hinted at before or after).

It was these kinds of little references in STC (both to things that occurred on the TV series and in the original movie franchise) that made me a fan of the series.Yes, I did see that episode and I wondered if there was some kind of tie in as I didn't remember Scotty & Uhura ever being romantic. I guess I missed that in STV. Buy yeah that's the great thing about the show, they do all these tie-ins. Last night I watched What Ships Are For (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7020048/?ref_=ttep_ep9) one of my favorite episodes btw, but what was cool is that they were talking to a Starfleet doctor and he mentioned nurse Chapel training to be a doctor. I didn't get the tie in at first but then my wife pointed out that Chapel was a doctor in the movies. So I thought that little tid bit was fun.

[Captain Steel]

Yes, I did see that episode and I wondered if there was some kind of tie in as I didn't remember Scotty & Uhura ever being romantic. I guess I missed that in STV. Buy yeah that's the great thing about the show, they do all these tie-ins. Last night I watched What Ships Are For (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7020048/?ref_=ttep_ep9) one of my favorite episodes btw, but what was cool is that they were talking to a Starfleet doctor and he mentioned nurse Chapel training to be a doctor. I didn't get the tie in at first but then my wife pointed out that Chapel was a doctor in the movies. So I thought that little tid bit was fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMMpbIKrvFI

From ST-V - a hint that Scotty & Uhura may be more than just friends.
There might have been another hint at it in the same film after Scotty bumps his head and knocks himself out??? I think Uhura finds him coming to on the floor and they have another "tender moment." Not sure.

In the comments someone says Jimmy & Nichelle were good friends, but never wanted their characters to be more than that and did not want them to have a romance (don't know if their wishes made sure it wasn't mentioned in their last film together or in Scotty's appearance on TNG or not.)

[Citizen Rules]

From ST-V - a hint that Scotty & Uhura may be more than just friends.
There might have been another hint at it in the same film after Scotty bumps his head and knocks himself out??? I think Uhura finds him coming to on the floor and they have another "tender moment." Not sure.

In the comments someone says Jimmy & Nichelle were good friends, but never wanted their characters to be more than that and did not want them to have a romance (don't know if their wishes made sure it wasn't mentioned in their last film together or in Scotty's appearance on TNG or not.)OK, now I remember that scene. I always took it to be a show of familiarity, nothing more. BTW I finished the last episode of ST Continues, that was a really good one!

[Captain Steel]

OK, now I remember that scene. I always took it to be a show of familiarity, nothing more. BTW I finished the last episode of ST Continues, that was a really good one!

I could only find a snippet in a compilation video (that also had scenes from the Abrams' franchise! *gasp!*) of Uhura reviving Scotty after he hits his head in ST-V and it seemed to confirm that there was something going on between the two (after the earlier scene on the bridge)... but I can't find that particular scene in its entirety anywhere on YouTube to help recollect exactly what was said or done (I just know there was more face rubbing!) :)

Yes, I thought the last 2 episodes of STC (two-parter if I remember correct) were probably the best. I love how the last episode brought us up to the period just before TMP (especially with Kirk in his Admiral's uniform) and - I don't remember this specifically, but I do recall reading that the last episodes of STC explained (what some called plot holes in TMP) why there were no other starships anywhere in the whole fleet to intercept V-ger, except for the Enterprise (which was being refitted).

[Citizen Rules]

Grant Imahara (1970-2020)


I didn't even know about this until we started talking about the series again, but sadly Grant Imahara (who played Sulu on STC) passed away this year from a brain aneurism.

Grant was formerly known as a regular on the TV series Mythbusters.
I'd heard about Grant Imahara's passing right before I started watching Star Trek Continues, but I had no idea that he was on the show. I was familiar with him from Mythbusters, I show I loved and watched a lot. So I was very surprised to find he'd been cast as Sulu. I liked him in STC. At times he does Sulu's cadence well and was able to match George Takei's deep voice, especially in the 1st episode. Like most of the cast I liked his look best on the mirror universe episode. He had this quirky, excited way of doing his role that made Grant's Sulu fun!

[Captain Steel]

I'd heard about Grant Imahara's passing right before I started watching Star Trek Continues, but I had no idea that he was on the show. I was familiar with him from Mythbusters, I show I loved and watched a lot. So I was very surprised to find he'd been cast as Sulu. I liked him in STC. At times he does Sulu's cadence well and was able to match George Takei's deep voice, especially in the 1st episode. Like most of the cast I liked his look best on the mirror universe episode. He had this quirky, excited way of doing his role that made Grant's Sulu fun!

Yes, I also noticed, although he didn't look much like George Takei, his voice as Sulu was very similar sounding.

Taken far too early. RIP Grant.

[Citizen Rules]

Think I'll write my thoughts about the overall show and standout actors (IMO). But right now I'm off to work!

[Captain Steel]

In the meantime - speaking of ST fan films - I just found this video where someone used "deepfake" technology to put the original actors in the Abrams' films - or, more accurately, utilizes them as flashbacks in ST-II The Wrath of Khan. (Yes, I know how we feel about the Abrams films, but this is a sight to see!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfQ0og_x9OI

[Captain Steel]

I've been hesitating commenting on Vic Mignogna...

https://renegadecinema.com//wp-content/uploads/2013/11/vic.jpg

...because I want to say some things which cannot come off as any way but negative, but I don't want to disparage in any way the man who made STC happen on every level (producing, directing, writing, and starring).

First, I'll say Vic captured so many of William Shatner's mannerisms, body language and verbal inflections (even though his voice was very different - much higher pitched). Vic even has a similar body type as (a young) Shatner.

But I did notice (and let me know if anyone else concurs or if I'm off base) that sometimes (not all the time, but sometimes) there's something kind of effeminate in Vic's performance. Maybe effeminate is not even the right word... maybe effete?

I can't quite put my finger on it, but it was something that was never present in any Shatner / Kirk performance (except maybe the time when he got body switched with a female). :D

Now, if I can go way off base... Vic shares a lot of qualities with Shatner, yet, for some odd reason, he also reminds me a little of a young Jonathan Harris (Dr. Smith on Lost in Space) - not in any overt way, but subtly.

When watching Vic in STC, I couldn't help having amusing thoughts; like Captain Kirk was in another transporter accident where he got crossed with Dr. Smith and the result was 90% Kirk and 10% Dr. Smith (resulting in Vic's Captain Kirk of STC)! ;)

All that ruminating aside, I think Vic did a fantastic job - his love for the original series is evident and he deserves a lot of appreciation for producing something so true and dedicated to the original.

[Citizen Rules]

Vic Mignona, I'm going to agree with just about everything you said there, though I never got a Dr Smith vibe from him. Dr Smith was persnickety, haughty, and self absorbed, but a great character!

Vic's Captain Kirk was much more deeply reflective, soulful and self aware than Shatner's Kirk. In someways I prefer Vic's performance. Several of the episodes had him deeply troubled by the burdens of command and the loss of life from his command decisions. Though I remember Captain Kirk also was quite troubled when someone died under his command, often blaming himself. I thought Vic did an amazing job at acting & writing & directing* & producing. He also has credits for some music arrangements on the sho. My one complaint was his voice was too high pitched, couldn't he lowered it a notch? The other is his thumbnails! Gross.

[Captain Steel]

Vic Mignona, I'm going to agree with just about everything you said there, though I never got a Dr Smith vibe from him. Dr Smith was persnickety, haughty, and self absorbed, but a great character!

Vic's Captain Kirk was much more deeply reflective, soulful and self aware than Shatner's Kirk. In someways I prefer Vic's performance. Several of the episodes had him deeply troubled by the burdens of command and the loss of life from his command decisions. Though I remember Captain Kirk also was quite troubled when someone died under his command, often blaming himself. I thought Vic did an amazing job at acting & writing & directing* & producing. He also has credits for some music arrangements on the sho. My one complaint was his voice was too high pitched, couldn't he lowered it a notch? The other is his thumbnails! Gross.

LOL! Thumbnails!
I never noticed - I'll have to go check that out. :D

[Citizen Rules]

LOL! Thumbnails!
I never noticed - I'll have to go check that out. :DOh gawd! He must have been a chronic nail biter as the tips of his thumbs had grown up and around the end of his very short thumbnail. Making his hands look somewhat amphibian like!

[Captain Steel]

Michele Specht as Counsellor McKennah

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/70/20/5d7020019f05958deac54d58d3040ef2.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/a5/42/94a542c4c950e8a2a9849c167142b0f5.jpg
(Yeah, we can have 2 photos of her!!!) ;)

I kind of fell in love with this character, not because of the obvious eye candy, but because she was a link between the series and TNG (...with the concept that starships on long-term missions would be assigned a psychological counsellor as part of a new Starfleet program that, as told in STC, began with the Enterprise's 5 year mission).

I was reticent to accepting new characters added to the main cast at first, but she became a welcome addition that brought a new psychological element to the paradigm of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

P.S. Behind the scenes - Michele Specht was in a long-term relationship with STC series creator Vic Mignogna.

[gbgoodies]

In the meantime - speaking of ST fan films - I just found this video where someone used "deepfake" technology to put the original actors in the Abrams' films - or, more accurately, utilizes them as flashbacks in ST-II The Wrath of Khan. (Yes, I know how we feel about the Abrams films, but this is a sight to see!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfQ0og_x9OI


That was great, but kind of strange too. In some scenes, it's hard to tell if it's the original actor or the reboot actor, and the voices don't always match the faces.

[Citizen Rules]

Michele Specht as Counsellor McKennah

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/70/20/5d7020019f05958deac54d58d3040ef2.jpg

I kind of fell in love with this character, not because of the obvious eye candy, but because she was a link between the series and TNG (...with the concept that starships on long-term missions would be assigned a psychological counsellor as part of a new Starfleet program that, as told in STC, began with the Enterprise's 5 year mission).

I was reticent to accepting new characters added to the main cast at first, but she became a welcome addition that brought a new psychological element to the paradigm of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

P.S. Behind the scenes - Michele Specht was in a long-term relationship with STC series creator Vic Mignogna. I kinda hate to do this to you Captain, but I could not stand Michele Specht as Counsellor McKennah. I thought I might get use to her, but nope even up until the very last episode she drove me crazy with her over done scenes. I swear she ended each interchange of dialogue with a little smirky smile and a vacant look. She would've been cast perfectly as one of Henry Mudd's androids from I, Mudd.

I knew nothing about Michele Specht while watching STC but I had a strong hunch she must be a girlfriend or wife of producer/writer/director and star Vic Mignogna...I finally looked it up and she was indeed married to Vic during filming of the show. I also read she worked mainly as a comedian which explains her overly colorful performance. She'd be perfect in a reboot of Married With Children as Peg Bundy, but on the starship Enterprise she never felt Trek like. She's no Kelly🙂 sorry Cap!

From her IMDB biography:
She lives in Los Angeles, and spends most of her time on set and in life being told: "GREAT - now take it down a notch." Indeed, at least two notches!

[Captain Steel]

I kinda hate to do this to you Captain, but I could not stand Michele Specht as Counsellor McKennah. I thought I might get use to her, but nope even up until the very last episode she drove me crazy with her over done scenes. I swear she ended each interchange of dialogue with a little smirky smile and a vacant look. She would've been cast perfectly as one of Henry Mudd's androids from I, Mudd.

I knew nothing about Michele Specht while watching STC but I had a strong hunch she must be a girlfriend or wife of producer/writer/director and star Vic Mignogna...I finally looked it up and she was indeed married to Vic during filming of the show. I also read she worked mainly as a comedian which explains her overly colorful performance. She'd be perfect in a reboot of Married With Children as Peg Bundy, but on the starship Enterprise she never felt Trek like. She's no Kelly🙂 sorry Cap!

From her IMDB biography:
She lives in Los Angeles, and spends most of her time on set and in life being told: "GREAT - now take it down a notch." Indeed, at least two notches!

For some reason I had a feeling that was coming!🙂

I'm not going to disagree with that. Maybe I'm just a sucker for a pretty face and a well-filled-out-mini-skirt-Starfleet uniform (or maybe I like imagining the idea of "shark jumping" - before Happy Days made this a term... adding a new regular character to a series was usually a form of that, or at least a sometimes last ditch attempt to help diminishing ratings).

As said, I think I just liked the fact that she was a continuity concept link between TOS & TNG.

Did the concept of a ship's counselor on the original Enterprise bother you, or was it just the actress herself?

[Citizen Rules]

Did the concept of a ship's counselor on the original Enterprise bother you, or was it just the actress herself?Just the actress.

BUT I liked Michele and thought she had lots of personality and comic ability but she was just wrongly cast, IMO. I wasn't surprised to learn she has mainly worked as a comedian, I could see her being good at comedy. If you rewatch STC look at her mouth when she finishes a block of dialogue....she almost always does a small, half smile. It's weird. As an aside there were three guest star actresses that caught my attention. All seemed to have that special something.

[Captain Steel]

Just the actress.

BUT I liked Michele and thought she had lots of personality and comic ability but she was just wrongly cast, IMO. I wasn't surprised to learn she has mainly worked as a comedian, I could see her being good at comedy. If you rewatch STC look at her mouth when she finishes a block of dialogue....she almost always does a small, half smile. It's weird. As an aside there were three guest star actresses that caught my attention. All seemed to have that special something.

Your description of Michele sounds right, but it's probably because it's been a while since I watched the series that it's not something that stood out to me - at this time anyway. (I'm currently re-viewing White Iris - not a lot of McKennah so far.)

Specking of females, I know Chapel was mentioned, but if I recall Yoeman Rand was completely absent, is that correct? (But they added a semi-regular navigator at the helm who was blond.)

Was one of the three that caught your attention the Romulan?
I don't remember if her acting was any good, but I do remember when I first saw her I was knocked for a loop because she looked so much like the original. (When seeing side by sides, you can see they're very different ladies... but at first glance - wow!)

[Citizen Rules]

Your description of Michele sounds right, but it's probably because it's been a while since I watched the series that it's not something that stood out to me - at this time anyway. (I'm currently re-viewing White Iris - not a lot of McKennah so far.)

Specking of females, I know Chapel was mentioned, but if I recall Yoeman Rand was completely absent, is that correct? (But they added a semi-regular navigator at the helm who was blond.)

Was one of the three that caught your attention the Romulan?
I don't remember if her acting was any good, but I do remember when I first saw her I was knocked for a loop because she looked so much like the original. (When seeing side by sides, you can see they're very different ladies... but at first glance - wow!)We didn't see either Chapel or Rand......But I kept thinking, where are they? But then it dawned on me that Grace Lee Whitney had left the show early so it wouldn't have made sense continuity wise to have her back again. Though I think I would've still cast Michelle Specht as Janice Rand anyway, as we all know the Yeoman had the hots for Kirk. I don't know who the blonde at helm was or suppose to be? I know Lt Palmer was on the bridge in many scenes.

You were right about the actress who played the Romulan commander looking just like the original, damn! She even got the head tilt and attitude right. The actor who played the Romulan sub commander was also much like the original actor.

White Iris, very cool idea for a story.! I liked how they touched on the original show where Spock used a Vulcan mind technique to make Kirk forget the android Rayna from Requiem for Methuselah... Kirk was deeply troubled by her death.

In White Iris the tie in with the accident that causes Kirk to remember Rayna, and thus triggering his feelings of regret over the women he had loved and had died due to his involvement with them made for a somber show.

If you're watching all of STC again I'll tell you which guest actress caught my attention.

[Captain Steel]

We didn't see either Chapel or Rand......But I kept thinking, where are they? But then it dawned on me that Grace Lee Whitney had left the show early so it wouldn't have made sense continuity wise to have her back again. Though I think I would've still cast Michelle Specht as Janice Rand anyway, as we all know the Yeoman had the hots for Kirk. I don't know who the blonde at helm was or suppose to be? I know Lt Palmer was on the bridge in many scenes.

You were right about the actress who played the Romulan commander looking just like the original, damn! She even got the head tilt and attitude right. The actor who played the Romulan sub commander was also much like the original actor.

White Iris, very cool idea for a story.! I liked how they touched on the original show where Spock used a Vulcan mind technique to make Kirk forget the android Rayna from Requiem for Methuselah... Kirk was deeply troubled by her death.

In White Iris the tie in with the accident that causes Kirk to remember Rayna, and thus triggering his feelings of regret over the women he had loved and had died due to his involvement with them made for a somber show.

If you're watching all of STC again I'll tell you which guest actress caught my attention.

I'm going to try to watch them all again. I had a weird idea to revisit the ones I didn't care for first - to see if I can gain more from them. Enough time has gone by (about 2 years) so that watching them again will be... kind of like when I watch TOS reruns on Saturday night!

[Captain Steel]

One thing - we obviously like how STC references TOS (it's a huge part of the web series' appeal), and at times has some running subplots.
Yet, that is something TOS itself rarely did. I can't remember them referring to a previous episode (unless there was a recurring guest star like Harry Mudd). I can't even think of any other recurring guest characters.
Almost every episode was stand alone with no references to past episodes or running subplots.

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One thing - we obviously like how STC references TOS (it's a huge part of the web series' appeal), and at times has some running subplots.
Yet, that is something TOS itself rarely did. I can't remember them referring to a previous episode (unless there was a recurring guest star like Harry Mudd). I can't even think of any other recurring guest characters.

Almost every episode was stand alone with no references to past episodes or running subplots. That's so true and I wish TOS had more continuity and self awareness of past episodes. But back in those days tv shows where done episodic, so that each episode could stand alone when shown in reruns.

Next Gen introduced more running themes and back references to past episodes. But it was DSN that really made an effort to create an interlinked world where past episodes effected the choices of future episodes and characters.

If you ever want to spend $8.99 per month, Netflix has the Star Trek series and all the episodes can be streamed. I know they have: TOS, Next Gen, DSN, Voyager & Enterprise.

[Citizen Rules]

Here's my three favorite guest actresses that appeared on Star Trek Continues:


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Fiona Vroom (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2922677/?ref_=tt_cl_t6) in the episode Lolani (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3307310/?ref_=ttep_ep2). Not a great shot of her in that image, but she was the first guest star that caught my attention, and not because she's green! Recently I seen Star Trek: Enterprise an episode with three Orion slave girls. Only that show focused on titillation while STC focused on the desire of Lolani to be more than she was and willing to gain her freedom at any cost. So yeah I liked the actress in the role. Lou Ferringo was awesome as a deceitfully, friendly Orion.





https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=68747 Anne Lockhart (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0516860/?ref_=tt_cl_t6) in the episode What Ships Are For (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7020048/?ref_=ttep_ep9). I only just learned she has a tie in to Lost in Space, she's June Lockhart's daughter. I thought she nailed her role as a trusting, friendly person who then finds out that she has a cloud over her head. I loved the black and white aspects of the show and the entire idea of a sun's rays blocking out color so that no one would know color even existed. Cool story idea! (The nurse is cute why didn't we get to see more or her)


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Gigi Edgley (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0249319/?ref_=tt_cl_t5) in the episode Come Not Between the Dragons (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5182166/?ref_=ttep_ep6). My least favorite of the STC shows, but my favorite performance by a guest actress. I really got this sense that Gigi Edgley could act up a storm! She really poured the emotions into her scene and I believed she believed she was in the moment.

[Captain Steel]

Ooh! More to comment on!

Lolani was probably one of the best episodes writing-wise and dilemma-wise (despite it having the first STC McCoy). ;)
It really presented ethical questions & challenges (something ST was famous for).

I was surprised to see Lou Ferrigno show up in this (in green skin-paint once again, no less). That was a kick.

I remember Anne Lockhart from the original Battlestar Galactica (played "Sheba") - she looked just like her mom - upturned nose and everything!

I have more comments on your comments. But for now, I'll just say I felt the same way about Come Not Between the Dragons.
One reason was the creature looked to me like it was directly inspired by Japanese Manga / Anime. It looked like something out of the Power Rangers TV series. The look of it just didn't seem to fit in the ST (or STC) universe. (They should have brought the Horta back!)

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...Come Not Between the Dragons.
One reason was the creature looked to me like it was directly inspired by Japanese Manga / Anime. It looked like something out of the Power Rangers TV series. The look of it just didn't seem to fit in the ST (or STC) universe.Good call,the creature did look like Anime and not ST. I was actually surprised by it's odd look.

So what were you're stand out episodes and bombs?

[Captain Steel]

Good call,the creature did look like Anime and not ST. I was actually surprised by it's odd look.

So what were you're stand out episodes and bombs?

I got the impression that the creature's design was probably a favor to one of the people working on the show (or who was a follower submitting suggestions) that was a Manga / Anime or Power Rangers fan! ;)

The little girl in The White Iris was adorable!
That's just my segue to mention how it's weird to think, if she were canon (and had been born), she would be Dr. David Marcus's half sister! (And they, of course, would both be half siblings to however many other children Kirk fathered throughout the galaxy.)

I was surprised by some of the guest stars - I've mentioned some already from TOS & TNG, but there was also Erin Gray from Buck Rogers and Marina Sirtis as the computer voice.

I liked "Admiral Nogura" showing up in the last episode - he was only mentioned once in ST-TMP, but the funny thing is I remember reading the novel version after the movie came out which I believe outlined Kirk's pitch to Nogura to have him take back command of the Enterprise. So it was nice that they remembered the character and worked him into the story that precedes TMP.

[Citizen Rules]

Captain, are you still re-watching Star Trek Continues? I just got through watching another fan made Star Trek series on YouTube, Starship Farragut. Have you seen that?

[Captain Steel]

Captain, are you still re-watching Star Trek Continues? I just got through watching another fan made Star Trek series on YouTube, Starship Farragut. Have you seen that?

Hi Rules,
No, haven't checked that one out yet, but I have heard of it, (Is it a prequel? Wasn't Farragut the name of Kirk's former ship?)

The weirdest thing - was just now thinking about this thread. I was about to turn computer off to go for walk and decided to check MoFo quickly before shutting down and saw this thread bumped under new posts! That was just weird! ;)

[Citizen Rules]

Hi Rules,
No, haven't checked that one out yet, but I have heard of it, (Is it a prequel? Wasn't Farragut the name of Kirk's former ship?)

The weirdest thing - was just now thinking about this thread. I was about to turn computer off to go for walk and decided to check MoFo quickly before shutting down and saw this thread bumped under new posts! That was just weird! ;)In the mirror universe you did just go for a walk;)

Segue to Starship Farragut! We learn how the empire in the mirror universe was created. Hint, it has to do with time travel to an alternative reality, George Washington and...you'll like this, 'the Jersey Devil'. It was an interesting idea but image if you, me and say gbgoodies put on Star Trek uniforms and made a show, it's about that good:eek: The bridge looks decent, but the video quality and the acting has a lot to be desired.

It's not a prequel. The Farragut under Captain Jack exist in the same time frame as the original series did (our close to it) In fact we see a cameo by Captain Kirk who's played by Vic Mignogna. (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0586003/?ref_=tt_cl_t1) Vic directed an episode too.

[Captain Steel]

In the mirror universe you did just go for a walk;)

Segue to Starship Farragut! We learn how the empire in the mirror universe was created. Hint, it has to do with time travel to an alternative reality, George Washington and...you'll like this, 'the Jersey Devil'. It was an interesting idea but image if you, me and say gbgoodies put on Star Trek uniforms and made a show, it's about that good:eek: The bridge looks decent, but the video quality and the acting has a lot to be desired.

It's not a prequel. The Farragut under Captain Jack exist in the same time frame as the original series did (our close to it) In fact we see a cameo by Captain Kirk who's played by Vic Mignogna. (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0586003/?ref_=tt_cl_t1) Vic directed an episode too.

Ooh! I gotta see that, especially if it has a crossover (kinda) with STC's "Kirk."

I always had a theory that the mirror universe was the result of a reality where Kirk saved Edith Keeler from being hit by a truck. In the episode City on the Edge of Forever, Spock shows that if she didn't die, the Nazis would win WWII. The "Terran Empire" just seemed to be a natural evolution of if the Nazis had control over the Earth.

[Captain Steel]

It was an interesting idea but image if you, me and say gbgoodies put on Star Trek uniforms and made a show, it's about that good:eek: The bridge looks decent, but the video quality and the acting has a lot to be desired.


I watched a bit of the first episode and you weren't kidding about the acting! :eek:
A bit cringe-worthy. (I like how you put it - if we & gbg made a show!) :D

The acting level in STC is to Farragut what the acting level in TOS is to STC!

(Makes me realize that, although no one would say TOS was ever the pinnacle of dramatic acting, how much better professionals are at it than amateurs.)

Can you tell me (or give a link) to the episode of Farragut that Vic M. appears in?

[Citizen Rules]

I watched a bit of the first episode and you weren't kidding about the acting! :eek:
A bit cringe-worthy. (I like how you put it - if we & gbg made a show!) :D

The acting level in STC is to Farragut what the acting level in TOS is to STC!

(Makes me realize that, although no one would say TOS was ever the pinnacle of dramatic acting, how much better professionals are at it than amateurs.)

Can you tell me (or give a link) to the episode of Farragut that Vic M. appears in?Sure, give me a minute...Also I've been meaning to answer your last post as there's something interesting.

[Citizen Rules]

The one where Vic Mignogna appears as Captain Kirk is called "The Price of Anything".

There's only eight episodes of Starship Farragut. I believe three of them are under 19 minutes, and two episodes are under 40 minutes. The remaining three, were over an hour. All are on Youtube, but the last one is on Vimeo as a director's cut. It has by far the best video and production quality as they must have used more professional equipment.

The episodes do get better, well sort of. They were made over a number of years and it's rather shocking how some of the cast age in like only 5 years. Actually kind of depressing.

[Citizen Rules]

Ooh! I gotta see that, especially if it has a crossover (kinda) with STC's "Kirk."

I always had a theory that the mirror universe was the result of a reality where Kirk saved Edith Keeler from being hit by a truck. In the episode City on the Edge of Forever, Spock shows that if she didn't die, the Nazis would win WWII. The "Terran Empire" just seemed to be a natural evolution of if the Nazis had control over the Earth.That's an intriquing premise, and...you're very close to what the writers of Starship Farragut 'For Want of a Nail' did in their episode that explained how the mirror universe's Terran history diverged from our own.

There's another Starship Farragut episode set in the modern time (during Kirk's day) where a Empire Terran ship crosses over into 'our' universe. That one is called: The Crossing and is the best of the lot (and I was wrong it is on youtube)

[Captain Steel]

That's an intriquing premise, and...you're very close to what the writers of Starship Farragut 'For Want of a Nail' did in their episode that explained how the mirror universe's Terran history diverged from our own.

There's another Starship Farragut episode set in the modern time (during Kirk's day) where a Empire Terran ship crosses over into 'our' universe. That one is called: The Crossing and is the best of the lot (and I was wrong it is on youtube)

Interesting... there was a DC Comics mini-series (and a sequel) called "The Nail" which was based on the same poem as that title: "For Want of a Nail."
The poem is about how everything that occurs can be dependent on one small detail (and if only that detail had been different, how everything else would be too).

Similar to the mirror universe, "The Nail" takes place in an alternate reality and was an "Elseworlds" story where Kal-El (Superman) was found by an Amish family, rather than the Kents... and how that would effect the entire reality & continuity of the DC universe.

Sorry, seeing that title suddenly threw me into comic book Geekiness!

[Citizen Rules]

Interesting... there was a DC Comics mini-series (and a sequel) called "The Nail" which was based on the same poem as that title: "For Want of a Nail."
The poem is about how everything that occurs can be dependent on one small detail (and if only that detail had been different, how everything else would be too).

Similar to the mirror universe, "The Nail" takes place in an alternate reality and was an "Elseworlds" story where Kal-El (Superman) was found by an Amish family, rather than the Kents... and how that would effect the entire reality & continuity of the DC universe.

Sorry, seeing that title suddenly threw me into comic book Geekiness!Interesting...and the explains the quote from the poem at the beginning of the episode. Let me know if you watch it.

[gbgoodies]

Captain, are you still re-watching Star Trek Continues? I just got through watching another fan made Star Trek series on YouTube, Starship Farragut. Have you seen that?

I'm still trying to find time to watch Star Trek Continues, but (I read ahead in this thread), and it sounds like I should just skip Starship Farragut.


Segue to Starship Farragut! We learn how the empire in the mirror universe was created. Hint, it has to do with time travel to an alternative reality, George Washington and...you'll like this, 'the Jersey Devil'. It was an interesting idea but image if you, me and say gbgoodies put on Star Trek uniforms and made a show, it's about that good:eek: The bridge looks decent, but the video quality and the acting has a lot to be desired.

I had some friends in college who made some low-budget movies, and I can't believe that Starship Farragut is anywhere near as bad as those movies were. :lol:

[gbgoodies]

Interesting... there was a DC Comics mini-series (and a sequel) called "The Nail" which was based on the same poem as that title: "For Want of a Nail."
The poem is about how everything that occurs can be dependent on one small detail (and if only that detail had been different, how everything else would be too).

Similar to the mirror universe, "The Nail" takes place in an alternate reality and was an "Elseworlds" story where Kal-El (Superman) was found by an Amish family, rather than the Kents... and how that would effect the entire reality & continuity of the DC universe.

Sorry, seeing that title suddenly threw me into comic book Geekiness!


That's basically the same idea as the Butterfly Effect, isn't it?

[Captain Steel]

That's basically the same idea as the Butterfly Effect, isn't it?

Probably.

Here's the poem (one variation of many):

For Want of a Nail
For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Want_of_a_Nail

P.S. I did a little checking and in the DC Comic "JLA: The Nail" it was a nail in the road that gave the Kent's pick-up truck a flat tire - so they never found the rocket containing baby Kal-El in the field - (instead he was found by Amish folks).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLA:_The_Nail_series

[gbgoodies]

Here's the poem (one variation of many):

For Want of a Nail
For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Want_of_a_Nail

That sounds very familiar. I'm sure that I've heard it before, but it must have been a long time ago.


P.S. I did a little checking and in the DC Comic "JLA: The Nail" it was a nail in the road that gave the Kent's pick-up truck a flat tire - so they never found the rocket containing baby Kal-El in the field - (instead he was found by Amish folks).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLA:_The_Nail_series

I haven't heard of "JLA: The Nail", but it sounds interesting. I found a site that has it online for free, and I bookmarked it. I'll read it when I get a chance. It might be interesting if they made a movie from that story.

[gbgoodies]

I finally got a chance to watch a few episodes of "Star Trek Continues". So far, I'm enjoying the show a lot. It has the same "feel" as TOS.

It took a couple of episodes to get used to Vic Mignogna as Capt. Kirk, but I'm getting used to him. He's doesn't quite have all of Shatner's mannerisms right, but he's close. Although he annoyed me a little bit at the beginning of the Mirror universe episode. It was an exact quote from the TOS episode "Mirror, Mirror", but he missed some of the inflections of the words. All he had to do was copy Shatner word for word. He's probably the easiest actor in Hollywood to mimic. :rolleyes: (The guy who played Spock got it right.)

I like the second guy who played Dr. McCoy better than the first guy. The first guy never made me think of De Kelley at all. The second guy isn't great either, but he's much better. (The best was Karl Urban in the recent Star Trek movies. The movies were only okay, but Urban was perfect as McCoy.)

It's almost eerie how much Chris Doohan looks like his father in some scenes, and he sounds almost exactly like him too. (He's definitely not the milkman's kid. :lol:)

I love how much they pick up from TOS, especially bringing back some original guest characters. And it was cool to hear Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn as the computer voice.

The only thing that really bothered me while watching the show was a personal issue. I kept thinking of how much my Mom would have loved this show, and I wish that I could have found it a few years ago.

[Captain Steel]

I finally got a chance to watch a few episodes of "Star Trek Continues". So far, I'm enjoying the show a lot. It has the same "feel" as TOS.

It took a couple of episodes to get used to Vic Mignogna as Capt. Kirk, but I'm getting used to him. He's doesn't quite have all of Shatner's mannerisms right, but he's close. Although he annoyed me a little bit at the beginning of the Mirror universe episode. It was an exact quote from the TOS episode "Mirror, Mirror", but he missed some of the inflections of the words. All he had to do was copy Shatner word for word. He's probably the easiest actor in Hollywood to mimic. :rolleyes: (The guy who played Spock got it right.)

I like the second guy who played Dr. McCoy better than the first guy. The first guy never made me think of De Kelley at all. The second guy isn't great either, but he's much better. (The best was Karl Urban in the recent Star Trek movies. The movies were only okay, but Urban was perfect as McCoy.)

It's almost eerie how much Chris Doohan looks like his father in some scenes, and he sounds almost exactly like him too. (He's definitely not the milkman's kid. :lol:)

I love how much they pick up from TOS, especially bringing back some original guest characters. And it was cool to hear Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn as the computer voice.

The only thing that really bothered me while watching the show was a personal issue. I kept thinking of how much my Mom would have loved this show, and I wish that I could have found it a few years ago.

Same experience here - I think almost everyone annoyed me on some level at first - but that's because they just aren't the originals, some aren't professional actors and many don't look much like the original actors.

Yes, the first McCoy just didn't quite work and Ken Huber was a somewhat better fit (but dang, in some episodes it's like they couldn't find him a decent wig!) ;)

I liked Karl Urban as McCoy also - just wish they'd made an actual prequel that was part of the original continuity instead of some alternate-carbon-copy-counter-concurrent-time-displaced-counterpart-same-but-different-other-dimension-splinter-reality... or whatever it's supposed to be.

I wish your mom could have seen it too, gbg. Was she a big ST fan (and what series did she like most)?

For fun - here's a side by side comparison of the recreated Mirror Mirror scene to the original...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syt0llURkdo

[Captain Steel]

There are some "Deep Fakes" made from STC on YouTube.
Some are pretty rough or not very well done, so I'm not referring them.
But this one sequence is pretty good (although a bit glitchy).
It's equally thrilling and bizarre to see Shatner's & Nimoy's faces in STC!


(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs1SkB_8PEo&t=115s)

[gbgoodies]

I wish your mom could have seen it too, gbg. Was she a big ST fan (and what series did she like most)?

Yes, my Mom was a Star Trek fan from when TOS originally aired back in the 1960s. (She always said that the only reason that she remembered my age was because I was born the same year as Star Trek. :lol:) She used to complain about how she couldn't find it on TV because they kept changing the day and time that it aired.

She used to tell me about scenes that she remembered seeing in some episodes, but they were cut out for time in reruns. It wasn't until years later when the episodes were released on VHS that I finally got to see some of the scenes that she had told me about.

TOS was her favorite, but she also loved DS9.

She was the one who got me to watch it when it was on in syndication. She would watch the reruns, and try to get me to watch it with her. The first few episodes that I saw were some of the worst episodes from the third season, so I couldn't understand what she loved about the show. Then she asked me to go with her to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture in the theaters, and that didn't make me like Star Trek either. It wasn't until I went with her to see Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan that I finally saw what she loved about the show.



For fun - here's a side by side comparison of the recreated Mirror Mirror scene to the original...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syt0llURkdo

The only thing this did was make me realize that Shatner was a better actor than I gave him credit for. :lol:

[gbgoodies]

There are some "Deep Fakes" made from STC on YouTube.
Some are pretty rough or not very well done, so I'm not referring them.
But this one sequence is pretty good (although a bit glitchy).
It's equally thrilling and bizarre to see Shatner's & Nimoy's faces in STC!


(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs1SkB_8PEo&t=115s)


There's something very creepy about hearing other people's voices coming out of Shatner's and Nimoy's faces. :eek:

[Captain Steel]

Just found this and saw it for the first time - cracked me up! (Sorry, the creator includes a commercial at the end...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSn2JuDQSc

[Captain Steel]

And another for the season...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KvWwJ6sh5s

[gbgoodies]

And another for the season...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KvWwJ6sh5s


I love Q. He was my favorite guest star on Star Trek.

[Captain Steel]

gbgoodies

These were so well done - I can't imagine how long it took to find all the right words throughout the series to put it all together.

I LOL'd at the "Shut up Wesley!" in the "Make It So" one!

And in the beginning of "All I want for Christmas"... where it builds to "Q"... as there's a pause in the music before Picard says it and that shot of John De Lancie turning around, then followed by that wink! Just hysterical! :D

[gbgoodies]

gbgoodies

These were so well done - I can't imagine how long it took to find all the right words throughout the series to put it all together.

I LOL'd at the "Shut up Wesley!" in the "Make It So" one!

And in the beginning of "All I want for Christmas"... where it builds to "Q"... as there's a pause in the music before Picard says it and that shot of John De Lancie turning around, then followed by that wink! Just hysterical! :D


I agree. They were very well done. I wouldn't have the time or patience to put something like that together.

[Captain Steel]

Found this video from a few years back.
It's kind of an overview of Fan-Made Star Trek Series that covers many (but certainly not all) fan-based attempts to emulate or pay homage to the franchise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpK_nZP-3II&t=637s

[gbgoodies]

Found this video from a few years back.
It's kind of an overview of Fan-Made Star Trek Series that covers many (but certainly not all) fan-based attempts to emulate or pay homage to the franchise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpK_nZP-3II&t=637s


Thanks for the video. That was very interesting and informative. I agree with the guy that the problem with some of the fan-based videos is poor acting and poor writing. But it looks like there are a few standouts that he mentioned that are worth seeking out.