View Full Version : Saddam Hussein Captured!
Sexy Celebrity
12-14-03, 10:58 AM
Captured
We are glad we captured Saddam. Though I don't think he'll speak a lot, he better be ready for an ass whooping, that's for sure :yup:
And the people that you see celebrating, are just the few that are glad to be free from such an evil leader. The killing isn't over. Not all-Iraqi people want peace. Some of them will be out in the streets of Baghdad screaming that they want Saddam back! :sick:
Caitlyn
12-14-03, 11:52 AM
Why would you say he was “poor” … he had over 500 thousand dollars with him… and at least he was still breathing when they dug him out of his hole which is more then can be said for all the people he had tortured and executed they’ve been digging up…
Monkeypunch
12-14-03, 12:00 PM
Alright, we caught the bastard, mission accomplished, now lets get the hell out of Iraq...
Alright, we caught the bastard, mission accomplished, now lets get the hell out of Iraq...
I second that....
To much blood has been shed as it is....
Sedai
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what's known as "justice." Fabulous news.
Maybe, if we're lucky, we can nab Bin Laden, too, and force the two of them to play a really brutal game of Chinese Hot Hands.
Alright, we caught the bastard, mission accomplished, now lets get the hell out of Iraq...Not until the Iraqis have some sort of system in place to govern themselves with. :nope:
Exactly - there's no leaving until a sustainable system is in place.
I imagine some Baath party members wouldn't have been happy to see him captured (tho not all were supporters remember - many were just people looking to get on with their jobs, and saw joining the party as their only hope for acheiving that). But aside from them - who the hell wouldn't be happy to see the evil git captured?
As for Osama. Welllll, he's one of many. And some would say chances to bring him in were deliberately spurned in favour of negotiating over gas-pipes thru Afghanistan etc. And would his capture cause al Qaeda to crumble? His money would be missed that's for sure. But there seem to be plenty of other active groups outside of the "al qaeda" umbrella anyway.
The "war" on "terror" is one long road. One that might even involve a few u-turns along the way.
LordSlaytan
12-14-03, 01:34 PM
Alright, we caught the bastard, mission accomplished, now lets get the hell out of Iraq...
Yeah, let's leave Iraq to crumble in chaos! Yipee!
I just woke up and saw the news. Iraqi people watching their fearless tyrannical leader being deloused are probably in an absolute state of shock. What joyous news.
it does mean my friend wont have to go over to iraq! which is always good to hear.
Good, glad he has been found.
Why will your friend not have to go now? He's not a tracker dog is he? ;)
LordSlaytan
12-14-03, 02:27 PM
it does mean my friend wont have to go over to iraq! which is always good to hear.
Good, glad he has been found.
I doubt very much that this will change that at all. The US isn't pulling out now that he is captured. They will still need the same amount of soldiers over there.
Piddzilla
12-14-03, 02:30 PM
Yeah, if America pulled out now that would mean the same as Bush admitting it was all noting but a personal vendetta.
With some petrodollar payback, lest we forget ;)
sunfrog
12-14-03, 07:00 PM
What's Chinese Hot Hands?
Well, I'm glad for the US army... they have certainly achieved their objective... kudos to them for nabbing a dangerous man.
That said...
In my FRANK opinion, the capture of Saddam Hussein is a ridiculous farce... considering that, all along, the true architect of 9/11, Osama bin Laden, is, in all probability, currently sitting pretty in Pakistan, an Islamic military dictatorship that has undeniable connections with Al Quaeda while still maintaining strong diplomatic ties with the Bush administration and conducting a US-sponsored nuclear weapons program. The sheer hypocrisy of the Bush administration is staggering to me!
Piddzilla
12-15-03, 05:13 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031214/capt.lon80712141308.iraq_saddam_capture_lon807.jpg
Now when Santa's in jail, who deliver the christmas gifts??? :(
Now when Santa's in jail, who deliver the christmas gifts??? :(
LOL! You have a strange idea of Santa Claus... a bloodthirsty ex-Iraqi dictator?
But then again... better him than George W. Bush!
Isn't it amazing... only George W. Bush could make a bloodthirsty tyrant like Saddam Hussein look like a sympathetic figure! That takes a lot of talent! lol!
r3port3r66
12-15-03, 02:51 PM
Bin who...?
sunfrog
12-15-03, 03:11 PM
What are Chinese Hot Hands?
Bin who...?
My point exactly! lol!
What are Chinese Hot Hands?
Wish I knew!
Now when Santa's in jail, who deliver the christmas gifts??? :(
Everybody at my work was saying the exact same thing. The guy does look like a Santa Clause gone downhill.
Everybody at my work was saying the exact same thing. The guy does look like a Santa Clause gone downhill.
:laugh: That is funny!
MacReady
12-15-03, 09:50 PM
LOL! You have a strange idea of Santa Claus... a bloodthirsty ex-Iraqi dictator?
But then again... better him than George W. Bush!
Isn't it amazing... only George W. Bush could make a bloodthirsty tyrant like Saddam Hussein look like a sympathetic figure! That takes a lot of talent! lol!
There is NO comparison to between George Bush and Saddam. Or to Hitler. Quite frankly those analogies disgust me. I see all the anti-war rallies and the placards that the so-called peace acticists hold up denouncing George Bush as evil and or labeling him as a neo Hilter. Yet, not one placard denouncing Saddam Hussien's horrific crimes against his own people?
There is NO comparison to between George Bush and Saddam. Or to Hitler. Quite frankly those analogies disgust me. I see all the anti-war rallies and the placards that the so-called peace acticists hold up denouncing George Bush as evil and or labeling him as a neo Hilter. Yet, not one placard denouncing Saddam Hussien's horrific crimes against his own people?
Hmm... I wouldn't go so far as to call George W. Bush a monster in the same league as Saddam--there's no doubt that Saddam is a monster. But Bush is also a monster in my opinion--a very different kind of monster, but a monster nonetheless. While Saddam's crimes against humanity are more overt and explicit, Bush's are more subtle, more played down, and, by that same token, more sinister. But that's just my opinion... feel free to disagree.
Here's an interesting news item I just uncovered:
Liberal billionaire George Soros, who has compared President Bush to the Nazis and said that defeating him is "the central focus" of his life, will now spend $25 million in special interest money attacking him!
This (http://www.msnbc.com/news/991865.asp) is what George Soros has to say about the Bush administration:
America, under Bush, is a danger to the world,” Soros said. Then he smiled: “And I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is.”
Soros believes a “supremacist ideology” guides this White House. He hears echoes in its rhetoric of his childhood in occupied Hungary. “When I hear Bush say, ‘You’re either with us or against us,’ it reminds me of the Germans.” It conjures up memories, he said, of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit (“The enemy is listening”): “My experiences under Nazi and Soviet rule have sensitized me,” he said in a soft Hungarian accent.
Soros’s contributions are filling a gap in Democratic Party finances that opened after the restrictions in the 2002 McCain-Feingold law took effect. In the past, political parties paid a large share of television and get-out-the-vote costs with unregulated “soft money” contributions from corporations, unions and rich individuals. The parties are now barred from accepting such money. But non-party groups in both camps are stepping in, accepting soft money and taking over voter mobilization.
“It’s incredibly ironic that George Soros is trying to create a more open society by using an unregulated, under-the-radar-screen, shadowy, soft-money group to do it,” Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson said. “George Soros has purchased the Democratic Party.”
In past election cycles, Soros contributed relatively modest sums. In 2000, his aide said, he gave $122,000, mostly to Democratic causes and candidates. But recently, Soros has grown alarmed at the influence of neoconservatives, whom he calls “a bunch of extremists guided by a crude form of social Darwinism.”
Neoconservatives, Soros said, are exploiting the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, to promote a preexisting agenda of preemptive war and world dominion. “Bush feels that on September 11th he was anointed by God,” Soros said. “He’s leading the U.S. and the world toward a vicious circle of escalating violence.”
Here (http://www.soros.org/about/bios/a_soros) is a biographical note of billionaire George Soros:
George Soros was born in Budapest, Hungary on August 12, 1930. He survived the Nazi occupation of Budapest and left communist Hungary in 1947 for England, where he graduated from the London School of Economics (LSE). While a student at LSE, Soros became familiar with the work of the philosopher Karl Popper, who had a profound influence on his thinking and later on his professional and philanthropic activities.
The financier. In 1956, Soros moved to the United States, where he began to accumulate a large fortune through an international investment fund he founded and managed. Today he is chairman of Soros Fund Management LLC.
The philanthropist. Soros has been active as a philanthropist since 1979, when he began providing funds to help black students attend the University of Cape Town in apartheid South Africa. Today he is chairman of the Open Society Institute (OSI) and the founder of a network of philanthropic organizations that are active in more than 50 countries. Based primarily in Central and Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union—but also in Africa, Latin America, Asia, and the United States—these foundations are dedicated to building and maintaining the infrastructure and institutions of an open society. They work closely with OSI to develop and implement a range of programs focusing on civil society, education, media, public health, and human rights as well as social, legal, and economic reform. In recent years, OSI and the Soros foundations network have spent more than $400 million annually to support projects in these and other focus areas. In 1992, Soros founded Central European University, with its primary campus in Budapest.
The philosopher. Soros is the author of eight books, including the forthcoming The Bubble of America Supremacy (PublicAffairs, January 2004). His other books include George Soros on Globalization (2002); The Alchemy of Finance (1987); Opening the Soviet System (1990); Underwriting Democracy (1991); Soros on Soros: Staying Ahead of the Curve (1995); The Crisis of Global Capitalism: Open Society Endangered (1998); and Open Society: Reforming Global Capitalism (2000). His articles and essays on politics, society, and economics regularly appear in major newspapers and magazines around the world.
Here (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/11/politics/main582932.shtml) is another news article about George Soros' personal mission to put an end to the Bush administration:
Billionaire Bankrolls Bush Bashers
NEW YORK, Nov. 11, 2003
(CBS) Billionaire George Soros has pledged $15.5 million to efforts to unseat President Bush in an election that he sees as a "life and death" struggle to defeat the administration's "supremacist ideology," a newspaper reports.
"America, under Bush, is a danger to the world," the 74-year-old Soros tells The Washington Post. "And I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is."
Calling the 2004 race "the central focus of my life" and comparing the president's ideology to what he witnessed in Nazi occupied Hungary, Soros is fueling attacks on the president that campaign finance reform might have prevented, The Post reports.
Last year's soft-money ban is starving the national parties of the cash they once used to finance advertising and door-to-door campaigns. Soros is filling the gap by donating to independent groups bent on defeating the president, like MoveOn.org, to which he and a partner pledged up to $5 million this week.
He has also raised money directly for former Vermont governor and Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean, and supports Democratic runners Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, retired Gen. Wesley Clark and Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri.
Republicans see irony in Soros, who has spent millions promoting open societies abroad, is helping Democratic adherents skirt campaign finance laws.
"George Soros has purchased the Democratic Party," Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson told The Post.
Campaign finance advocates have also expressed concerns over Soros' spending, The Post reports.
Soros says his motivation is deeply personal, the result of deep anxieties over the nation's direction that sometimes wake him at 3 in the morning. The Post quotes the billionaire comparing the president's phrase "You're either with us or against us" in the war on terrorism, to Nazi slogans he saw in his childhood Hungary, like "The enemy is listening."
Soros also believes Mr. Bush feels "anointed by God."
In his efforts, Soros has been allied with former Clinton chief of staff John Podestra and liberal heavyweights. Soros' willingness to part with massive sums has spurred other wealthy people to ante up as well — the day after Soros offered $10 million to Americans Coming Together, five friends donated an additional $13.5 million to the group.
This is not the first year Soros has been generous with campaign funds. According to a database run by the Federal Election Commission, between 2000 and 2002 Soros gave $153,000 in soft money to the Democratic National Committee in three massive installments.
Since 1998, he donated $125,000 directly to candidates and committees. Except for one $1,000 check to Republican Arizona Sen. John McCain, it all went to Democratic candidates or PACs that favor Democrats.
©MMIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Aladinsane
12-15-03, 10:39 PM
I second that....
To much blood has been shed as it is....
Sedai
Yeah, maybe we can concentrate on actually fighting the war on terror now instead of creating more...
MacReady
12-15-03, 11:24 PM
Oh, I vehemently disagree,but an opinion is an opinion. I think that GWB has been maliciously slandered more than any sitting president in recent memory. I don't understand this virulent hatred for the man. Bill Clinton acted with far more reckless abandon , but I haven't seen the outpouring of unbridled hatred for him than is displayed for GWB.
Hmm... you said "an opinion is an opinion"... true enough... but George Soros seems to know what he's talking about... and considering where he comes from... it lends him credibility. Also, considering his accomplishments and his background... further credibility for him.
About Bush being maliciously slandered... true, there are a lot of Bush-bashers out there who just hate the guy for no good reason. On the other hand, there is a lot of sound disapproval for the man and what he stands for. A lot of credible voices who have serious problems with what he represents.
blibblobblib
12-16-03, 09:26 AM
When i first saw the news that Saddam had been captured, i thought what a lovely Christmas Present. Coulnt have come at a better time i think. :yup:
When i first was interrupted by CNN at 1145pm I was surprised and then for them to confirm it, I was even more surprised and then i laid back down and went to sleep......in otherwords, yes big event for Iraq, not so big for me. Dont get me wrong Im glad to see it, but still doesnt effect me personally.
MacReady
12-16-03, 03:49 PM
Hmm... you said "an opinion is an opinion"... true enough... but George Soros seems to know what he's talking about... and considering where he comes from... it lends him credibility. Also, considering his accomplishments and his background... further credibility for him.
About Bush being maliciously slandered... true, there are a lot of Bush-bashers out there who just hate the guy for no good reason. On the other hand, there is a lot of sound disapproval for the man and what he stands for. A lot of credible voices who have serious problems with what he represents.
Soros has an agenda. Fine. He can do with his monies as he pleases, but his quotes are bodering, if not out-right histrionics! He is comparing Bush's administriation to Nazi Germany! While his accomplishments are prodigious, his credibility is suspect because of his obvious myopic, far-leftist view! But, alas, I shall not change your political 'stripes' nor you mine, but diversity of opinion is most welcome. It makes for robust conversation!!!
Soros has an agenda. Fine. He can do with his monies as he pleases, but his quotes are bodering, if not out-right histrionics! He is comparing Bush's administriation to Nazi Germany! While his accomplishments are prodigious, his credibility is suspect because of his obvious myopic, far-leftist view! But, alas, I shall not change your political 'stripes' nor you mine, but diversity of opinion is most welcome. It makes for robust conversation!!!
Cool. I'm glad we can have our differences and discuss them like civilized human beings... makes for a refreshing change in atmosphere!
Regarding Soros' "far-leftist" view... well... I admit I need to read up some more on his writings... and he has written quite a bit about the dangers of excessive capitalism... but he is, himself, a capitalist. A self-made man. It seems to me that he must know what he is talking about. He has lived through both Nazi and Soviet occupation. He must know what it is like to live under a repressive regime. If he compares Bush to the Nazis, as, in fact, some other people have also done, such as, e.g., a German Member of Parliament not long ago, he must have some justification for his claim. Sure, it merits investigation. But at this point, he does seem to have a pretty high level of credibility in my eyes, based on his background and accomplishments and his history of philanthropic activities...
EDIT: I think that in light of the fact that one of the major Republican contributors in recent years has been Enron, Soros' concerns about the dangers of over-capitalism strike me as quite valid.
MacReady
12-16-03, 09:36 PM
I guess we should be suspect of both Large coporate donors and persons with vast amounts of wealth who pursue their own agendas and have the capital to sway politicians.
I guess we should be suspect of both Large coporate donors and persons with vast amounts of wealth who pursue their own agendas and have the capital to sway politicians.
Good point...examine their background, their credibility...
What's the credibility gap between Enron and George Soros, I wonder... Enron, a bankrupt corporation that swindled its workers out of their life savings vs. George Soros, a self-made billionaire philanthropist...
MacReady
12-16-03, 11:10 PM
I think your question is more rhetorical?! ;)
I think your question is more rhetorical?! ;)
You could say that! :)
Regarding Soros' "far-leftist" view... well... I admit I need to read up some more on his writings... and he has written quite a bit about the dangers of excessive capitalism... but he is, himself, a capitalist. A self-made man. It seems to me that he must know what he is talking about.There are many self-made men on both sides of the political spectrum. Far more on the conservative side, I would wager. This paragraph is about as good a point as "I know this really smart guy, and he's a liberal, so there!"
Good point...examine their background, their credibility...
What's the credibility gap between Enron and George Soros, I wonder... Enron, a bankrupt corporation that swindled its workers out of their life savings vs. George Soros, a self-made billionaire philanthropist...Soros, as I've stated before, doesn't have half the credibility you claim. Though even if he did, he is no poster child for the Democratic party, anyway.
Soros, as I've stated before, doesn't have half the credibility you claim. Though even if he did, he is no poster child for the Democratic party, anyway.
Soros has a great deal of credibility in my eyes. More on this later. But take a look at his bio for starters.
Soros has a great deal of credibility in my eyes. More on this later. But take a look at his bio for starters.Yes, I've seen it. The fact that he has shown himself to be a generous and intelligent individual, however, does not give him credibility in the arena of political opinion, which is the issue at hand. In that particular area, he has been inconsistent.
Yes, I've seen it. The fact that he has shown himself to be a generous and intelligent individual, however, does not give him credibility in the arena of political opinion, which is the issue at hand. In that particular area, he has been inconsistent.
Well... that remains to be seen. More on that later.
Henry The Kid
12-17-03, 08:44 PM
Wee. I can't wait to hear all the clever jokes that will arise from this.
Jackie Malfoy
12-19-03, 01:15 PM
But then I remember acouse I just got mix up between him and someone else!I heard from the news that he is givieng the goverment a hard time but I have a feeling that he will be talking in no time! ;)
Glad that the people are not mad at this or they will be coming over here and bombing us until we give him back!That is a scary thought!Good thing!
Anyway see you around!Great news I heard for along time!JM :cool:
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