The Western III Hall of Fame

[Citizen Rules]

I know I liked McCabe and ants Miller when I first saw it, which was 10 years ago or so. Looking forward to seeing that again as well.
Need to finish this one up and move onto Noir and the Personal Recc this month.I'm trying to get in as many westerns as I can before the May 15th deadline for the MoFo Top Western Countdown. I've seen a lot...but I haven't run out of westerns to see yet:p

[Wyldesyde19]

I'm trying to get in as many westerns as I can before the May 15th deadline for the MoFo Top Western Countdown. I've seen a lot...but I haven't run out of westerns to see yet:p

Ha! How do you avoid the burnout?

[Citizen Rules]

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2082524#post2082524)
I'm trying to get in as many westerns as I can before the May 15th deadline for the MoFo Top Western Countdown. I've seen a lot...but I haven't run out of westerns to see yetHa! How do you avoid the burnout? Burnout? I love westerns:D I throw in the occasional HoF movie or just something I want to see to keep it all fresh.

[Siddon]

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The Big Showdown aka The Grand Duel is an interesting western. Lee Van Cleef who I always thought was typecast as the bad guy got to play the Eastwoodesque scamp in this Spaghetti Western. He actually looks like he aged 20 years from his Good Bad and Ugly but that's neither here nor there. This is a by the books western with probably the most derivative plot in all westerns...a family is looking to get revenge for their dead dad.


The acting and the plotting was pretty bad but I still found myself enjoying it. Really the only thing to write home about with this one is it's flashbacks which reminded me of a Fellini film. The other thing I enjoyed about it was that the set pieces were especially well done.

[GulfportDoc]

I was pretty harsh on Bone Tomahawk in my review above.
Have high hopes for The Grey Fox
I think you'll enjoy it: Farnsworth was superb, as was the music and cinematography.

[Siddon]

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The DVD quality of this felt more like a Laserdisc which definitely tainted my view of the film. I don't understand why companies release such junky transfers you put all this money into a massive western and it looks like garbage.


McCabe and Mrs Miller is a western but it plays almost like a documentary it's very slow scenes seemingly go nowhere you likely can't keep track of characters. It's also a very uneven story...it feels like the story is 80% McCabe and 20% Mrs Miller, if Miller wasn't in the film would it even matter? That another was a big problem I had with the film.


With Altman I have either a strong or strong hate for his work, I liked MASH, Gosford Park, Long Goodbye films that had a fairly cohesive plot but this much like Quintent really didn't have it.

[Citizen Rules]

The DVD quality of this felt more like a Laserdisc which definitely tainted my view of the film. I don't understand why companies release such junky transfers you put all this money into a massive western and it looks like garbage. You must have gotten hold of a boot leg DVD, unless you mean the frosted look? That was done intentionally by Altman for artistic reasons. Altman exposed the film negative to light which caused it to fog and lose some detail but gave it a misty window back into time feel.

...It feels like the story is 80% McCabe and 20% Mrs Miller, if Miller wasn't in the film would it even matter? That another was a big problem I had with the film. That's a good point about Mrs Miller not mattering to the film's story. Altman does that in his movies, he populates them with characters that exist but don't seem to be plugged into the main story line. I guess that's both his strength or weakness depending on how one views it. I use to hate his film style, but I've warmed up to it more lately.

[Siddon]

You must have gotten hold of a boot leg DVD, unless you mean the frosted look? That was done intentionally by Altman for artistic reasons. Altman exposed the film negative to light which caused it to fog and lose some detail but gave it a misty window back into time feel.

That's a good point about Mrs Miller not mattering to the film's story. Altman does that in his movies, he populates them with characters that exist but don't seem to be plugged into the main story line. I guess that's both his strength or weakness depending on how one views it. I use to hate his film style, but I've warmed up to it more lately.


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I believe this is version I rented from the Library and while it does have the frosted look it still feels like a Laserdisc transfer. Though even with the "frosted look" it gets to the problem I have with the film...you have all these beautiful sets and you shoot it to look like crap.

[Citizen Rules]

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I believe this is version I rented from the Library and while it does have the frosted look it still feels like a Laserdisc transferA couple of times from my library I got dvds, that I'm pretty sure was cheap Chinese made knock offs. It's almost impossible to tell them apart from the real thing.

[Siddon]

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Red River(1949)


After all the realistic westerns sometimes it's nice to just kick back and watch a classic. The great irony of John Wayne is that today he's thought of as a hero yet when one looks back at his oeuvre it's the villain roles where he excels at. John Wayne plays Dunsen though he's clearly channeling Captain Bligh from Mutiny on the Bounty a man running cattle and slowly losing his mind. Montgomery Clift plays Matt Garth the lieutenant of the operation. To me Hawks was always superior to Ford because he allowed for complicated stories. Clift is impressive taking over the lead performance and while the film isn't "realistic" it's executed well enough I was absorbed to the point where I didn't really mind. I mean do you mind when you think that at the end of JAWS no way could the survivors swim to shore?

[Citizen Rules]

Ha, I must be tired...I just seen Siddon's review and tried to add the link to the first page.....then I realized why it wouldn't work...I'm not the host:D

[edarsenal]

Ha, I must be tired...I just seen Siddon's review and tried to add the link to the first page.....then I realized why it wouldn't work...I'm not the host:D
OMG you SUCH a control freak and here's the proof!!
:D:D

And I'm an even WORSE slacker recently with being at home and not constantly in front of a computer like I am when I work, that I need to do catch up.
Which I'll do in a few after I post Meek's Cutoff. :)

[edarsenal]

https://i1.wp.com/www.ua-magazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Meeks-Cutoff-featured.jpg?fit=620%2C380&ssl=1


Meek's Cutoff

Emily Tetherow: You don't know much about women, do you Stephen Meek?
Stephen Meek: Well, I, I know somethin' or other.
Emily Tetherow: If you say so.
Stephen Meek: Well, I know women are different from men. I know that much. Well, I'll tell you the difference if you care to hear.
Emily Tetherow: I don't doubt you will.
Stephen Meek: Women, women are created on the principle of chaos. The chaos of creation, disorder, bringing new things into the world. Men are created on the principle of destruction. It's like cleansing, ordering, destruction.

A minimalistic film, I found myself appreciating it more after viewing it than while I watched it due to the format of the film leaving even a little to get involved in; including the characters. And when there eventually was, it was a little too late to truly delve into. Except for the exchanges between Michelle Williams' Emily Tetherow and Rod Rondeaux' "Indian". His appearance making a very needed break from the snail-paced onslaught of conditions and growing dread that was unable to affect me, it seems.
Now, there are other actors here that I do like, but, again, due to the minimalistic format, and, perhaps due to the culminated exhaustion of their situation, they appeared a little more deflated than simply defeated.
Said actors include: Will Patton (Solomon Tetherow), Shirley Henderson (Glory White) and, under all that hair and beard, Bruce Greenwood (Stephen Meek).
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When I first saw this was nominated, I had HUGELY mistaken it for Winter's Bone (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1399683/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0), which I continue to be curious to see at some point.

I am happy to have seen this and there ARE aspects I DO appreciate and that does include the Director's choice of minimalistic endeavors as well as placing us (the viewers) after the cutoff, and then, we depart before any actual resolve occurred. I appreciate them, but not enough to enjoy my viewing, sadly.

[edarsenal]

https://wondersinthedark.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/red-river.jpg

Red River(1949)


After all the realistic westerns sometimes it's nice to just kick back and watch a classic. The great irony of John Wayne is that today he's thought of as a hero yet when one looks back at his oeuvre it's the villain roles where he excels at. John Wayne plays Dunsen though he's clearly channeling Captain Bligh from Mutiny on the Bounty a man running cattle and slowly losing his mind. Montgomery Clift plays Matt Garth the lieutenant of the operation. To me Hawks was always superior to Ford because he allowed for complicated stories. Clift is impressive taking over the lead performance and while the film isn't "realistic" it's executed well enough I was absorbed to the point where I didn't really mind. I mean do you mind when you think that at the end of JAWS no way could the survivors swim to shore?

Great review and I LOVE that final sentence -- excellent point!

[edarsenal]

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The Big Showdown aka The Grand Duel is an interesting western. Lee Van Cleef who I always thought was typecast as the bad guy got to play the Eastwoodesque scamp in this Spaghetti Western. He actually looks like he aged 20 years from his Good Bad and Ugly but that's neither here nor there. This is a by the books western with probably the most derivative plot in all westerns...a family is looking to get revenge for their dead dad.


The acting and the plotting was pretty bad but I still found myself enjoying it. Really the only thing to write home about with this one is it's flashbacks which reminded me of a Fellini film. The other thing I enjoyed about it was that the set pieces were especially well done.

I think you watched the wrong western, Siddon. this is The Big Showdown (https://www.movieforums.com/community/images/editor/createlink.gif) from 1972, which kind of explains the extra 6 yrs of age on Lee Van Cleef you mentioned.
I do see how the two films get mixed up since I do see this pop up when searching for The Big Gundown.

[edarsenal]

Citizen Rules, ahwell, John-Connor, neiba, Wyldesyde19, Zotis, Siddon

The CATCH UP:
I've got everyone's link from the past two weeks up so we should be up to snuff. The due date still remains for May 8, 2020 giving us, including today, 13 days to knock this out. Should anyone need more time, just let me know. Thank you!

Here's where the rest of stand
Siddon (7 out of 8)
edarsenal (7 out of 8)
neiba (5 out of 8)
Wyldesyde19 (4 out of 8)
Zotis (4 out of 8)

[Siddon]

I think you watched the wrong western, Siddon. this is The Big Showdown (https://www.movieforums.com/community/images/editor/createlink.gif) from 1972, which kind of explains the extra 6 yrs of age on Lee Van Cleef you mentioned.
I do see how the two films get mixed up since I do see this pop up when searching for The Big Gundown.


I got sent this link is this not the nominee?


The Western III Hall of... (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2073827#post2073827) 03-16-20 08:37 PM
PM (https://www.movieforums.com/community/private.php?do=newpm&u=68505) cricket (https://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=68505) Gundown https://youtu.be/Xy3DwccPX10

[edarsenal]

I got sent this link is this not the nominee?


The Western III Hall of... (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2073827#post2073827) 03-16-20 08:37 PM
PM (https://www.movieforums.com/community/private.php?do=newpm&u=68505) cricket (https://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=68505) Gundown https://youtu.be/Xy3DwccPX10

Sadly, it isn't.
The Big gundown (1966) Director: Sergio Sollima
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Not really sure what to do about this being so late in the game.

[ahwell]

Hey at least Siddon got in an extra western for the countdown :)

[Citizen Rules]

I got sent this link is this not the nominee?


The Western III Hall of... (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2073827#post2073827) 03-16-20 08:37 PM
PM (https://www.movieforums.com/community/private.php?do=newpm&u=68505) cricket (https://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=68505) What are those links to cricket and especially PM suppose to be about? The cricket link just goes to his profile and the PM link is a blank message, I don't see anything there?

[ahwell]

What are those links to cricket and especially PM suppose to be about? The cricket link just goes to his profile and the PM link is a blank message, I don't see anything there?
I think he just copy pasted.

[edarsenal]

I don't doubt cricket sent him a link and I've checked and seen how easy it is to mix the two up. I've even found one that shows up under Gundown and it's actually Showdown so I would seriously consider something very similar to that occurred.

My dilemma is since this is so close to the due date:
A) Should Siddon locate and watch the correct one?
B) Do we move forward?

And I feel that neiba should definitely weigh in and thereby, he should hold a larger gravitas to this all. Along with Siddon expressing what he would like to do with this. Followed by how the rest of us feel about this.

If this was much earlier there would be only one course, which, again, is why I am willing to consider a secondary option that is out of the usual parameters.
So, Siddon and neiba, I would really love to hear from both of you and then we all can discuss this.

[neiba]

I mean, Siddon has only 1 film left. It's on him to say if he has the time to put the extra viewing until the deadline. If he can't, I am ok with whichever you all are, but I obviously prefered my nom to be watched by everyone.

[neiba]

Meek's Cutoff (2010)

It may be because I've been exhausted lately, but I found this so boring! Which surprised me because usually this type of films is my kind of thing. But I spent so much effort remaining focused on this to find it entertaining.

I'll say, however, that the cinematography is stunning and there is some characters ark that are very well developed! Also, the acting is very solid from everyone involved and the script is convincing enough.

2.5 -

I may rewatch this later, if I feel fresh enough!

[Citizen Rules]

...My dilemma is since this is so close to the due date:
A) Should Siddon locate and watch the correct one?
B) Do we move forward?.. I think everyone knows what my answer will be. Link (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1416127#post1416127)

[John-Connor]

I'm fine with whatever Siddon decides. But The Big Gundown is a pretty cool Van Cleef western with a Morricone score, just sayin'.

[cricket]

I got sent this link is this not the nominee?


The Western III Hall of... (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2073827#post2073827) 03-16-20 08:37 PM
PM (https://www.movieforums.com/community/private.php?do=newpm&u=68505) cricket (https://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=68505) Gundown https://youtu.be/Xy3DwccPX10

You should've gotten a message from me about a minute later saying it wasn't the right link, unless it didn't go through?

[Wyldesyde19]

I’ll be finishing up this week. Will need links for The Grey Fox and Dirty Little Billy is anyone can provide them please.
I have access to the other two I need to watch

[neiba]

I’ll be finishing up this week. Will need links for The Grey Fox and Dirty Little Billy is anyone can provide them please.
I have access to the other two I need to watch


Me too!!

[Zotis]

I haven't been in the mood for Westerns for a while now, but I think I will watch McCabe and Mrs Miller today or tomorrow.

[edarsenal]

Alright, we just need to hear from Siddon and we'll see what the best route is.

[edarsenal]

I’ll be finishing up this week. Will need links for The Grey Fox and Dirty Little Billy is anyone can provide them please.
I have access to the other two I need to watch

Me too!!

Also, sent a link for Grey Fox but unable to locate a good link for Dirty Little Billy

[Siddon]

I mean, Siddon has only 1 film left. It's on him to say if he has the time to put the extra viewing until the deadline. If he can't, I am ok with whichever you all are, but I obviously prefered my nom to be watched by everyone.


Well I've tried watching your "nomination" four times now.

Netflix sent me the sequel (Run Man Run)
Cricket sent me a link to a different movie
Someone else sent me a link to a film that started in English and switched to I assume Italian

I'm going to try one last way and if it doesn't work I'm submitting a ballot with seven films on it and you can do whatever you wish with it.

[neiba]

The Grey Fox (1982)

An outdated western about an outdated cowboy, that actually turned a very interesting film. I loved the whole atmosphere of the film, and the perfomances were quite nice. My copy of this didn't have a good quality but still the cinematography was very moody and fitted perfectly well with the theme!


3 -

[Siddon]

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The Grey Fox (1982)


A terrible print of a film seems almost like a waste of a nomination. I'm kinda soured on this hall in the sense that most of these films are hard to find and the quality of films are poor. With that said I enjoyed the film for what it was a story of a stage coach robber on the run changing his life as the world passed him by. I like that the film took place in Canada and didn't have any "movie stars" in it so the story was given an extra level of realism likely bumps it up a few spots for me.

[edarsenal]

Well I've tried watching your "nomination" four times now.

Netflix sent me the sequel (Run Man Run)
Cricket sent me a link to a different movie
Someone else sent me a link to a film that started in English and switched to I assume Italian

I'm going to try one last way and if it doesn't work I'm submitting a ballot with seven films on it and you can do whatever you wish with it.

The one where they bounce back and forth from English to Italian is the one I have as well.

[Citizen Rules]

The one where they bounce back and forth from English to Italian is the one I have as well.I know me and you talked about it once and I said the one I watched had some Spanish mixed in with English but not Italian...However I looked for a link today to send to Siddon and found the one I watched...And now I'm thinking they weren't speaking Spanish, but speaking Italian. Of course I don't really know the difference:p

I see @ahwell (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=101613) @John-Connor (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=102242) @neiba (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=85193) @Zotis (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84264) all watched The Big Gundown, maybe they will post and say if they found a link in all English.

[neiba]

I know me and you talked about it once and I said the one I watched had some Spanish mixed in with English but not Italian...However I looked for a link today to send to Siddon and found the one I watched...And now I'm thinking they weren't speaking Spanish, but speaking Italian. Of course I don't really know the difference:p

I see @ahwell (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=101613) @John-Connor (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=102242) @neiba (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=85193) @Zotis (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84264) all watched The Big Gundown, maybe they will post and say if they found a link in all English.


It's very unlikely they use Spanish to dub this films, even if they were shot in Spain, so it most probably is Italian xD


I downloaded mine using torrents and it was in English back then, but I can't find it anymore. What maybe is possible is to download the film and English subtitles so the Italian part is covered. I've been watching and rewatching a bunch of spaghetti westerns lately all in Italian and they are still very enjoyable

[Citizen Rules]

... What maybe is possible is to download the film and English subtitles so the Italian part is covered...Excellent idea. I just checked and there are English subs available for it.

[Zotis]

I know me and you talked about it once and I said the one I watched had some Spanish mixed in with English but not Italian...However I looked for a link today to send to Siddon and found the one I watched...And now I'm thinking they weren't speaking Spanish, but speaking Italian. Of course I don't really know the difference:p

...maybe they will post and say if they found a link in all English.

I have a link that has both versions. From what I can tell the scenes that are in Italian (and yes it's Italian, not Spanish) are simply removed from the English only version. Near the beginning there is a scene where he shoots three bandits. In the version with English and Italian he puts three bullets from his own gun on a log and each bandit takes a bullet and puts it in his own gun. I guess they were out of bullets, so this way they each have one and he has three in his gun. Then one by one he shoots them when they try to draw on him, but at least he gives them all that chance. In the English only version it cuts parts of the scene and he doesn't put bullets on the log, but just shoots them. It implies they already have bullets in their guns, but it looks a little strange. I think the first time I watched it I watched the English only version, because I remember thinking it was weird how he just shoots them.

The English only version is 1 hour and 34 minutes. The version with English and Italian is 1 hour 50 minutes.

Message me if you want the link.

[Citizen Rules]

Thanks for posting that Zotis. Siddon needed a link, maybe you could PM him the all English version?

[edarsenal]

I have a link that has both versions. From what I can tell the scenes that are in Italian (and yes it's Italian, not Spanish) are simply removed from the English only version. Near the beginning there is a scene where he shoots three bandits. In the version with English and Italian he puts three bullets from his own gun on a log and each bandit takes a bullet and puts it in his own gun. I guess they were out of bullets, so this way they each have one and he has three in his gun. Then one by one he shoots them when they try to draw on him, but at least he gives them all that chance. In the English only version it cuts parts of the scene and he doesn't put bullets on the log, but just shoots them. It implies they already have bullets in their guns, but it looks a little strange. I think the first time I watched it I watched the English only version, because I remember thinking it was weird how he just shoots them.

The English only version is 1 hour and 34 minutes. The version with English and Italian is 1 hour 50 minutes.

Message me if you want the link.
THANKS zotis!!

I was pretty resigned to watch the English/Italian version and this gives another reason to do so. I believe it (may) have been neiba, or perhaps even you who remarked on how there were various actors from various countries so that they did use different languages.

[Zotis]

Thanks for posting that Zotis. Siddon needed a link, maybe you could PM him the all English version?

Yeah, I PMed him already.

THANKS zotis!!

I was pretty resigned to watch the English/Italian version and this gives another reason to do so. I believe it (may) have been neiba, or perhaps even you who remarked on how there were various actors from various countries so that they did use different languages.

It wasn't me who made that remark. But I can tell with the way the actors lips move that the whole thing is dubbed. And sometimes, if you lip read, you can tell when actors are speaking English or Italilan, just because either their lips don't line up with the English, or they do. It's pretty funny, but even when they're lips line up with the English or Italian, the audio doesn't necessarily, so both languages are in there from the actors, and both languages are dubbed. It's a real mess, but it sure is intersting. :P

[edarsenal]

It wasn't me who made that remark. But I can tell with the way the actors lips move that the whole thing is dubbed. And sometimes, if you lip read, you can tell when actors are speaking English or Italilan, just because either their lips don't line up with the English, or they do. It's pretty funny, but even when they're lips line up with the English or Italian, the audio doesn't necessarily, so both languages are in there from the actors, and both languages are dubbed. It's a real mess, but it sure is intersting. :P
I know what you mean. When I first bounced around in it and noticed the difference I chuckled hearing Van Cleef's dub. It was pretty close but there was a notch or two lower on the bass.
It probably was neiba who made the remark but since I'm terrible at such things I'd rather the screw up be on caution lol

[Citizen Rules]

All the dubbing in Spaghetti Westerns is a big reason why I don't like them. Most movie fans don't care for dubbed movies. And to me they seem like bad acting and comical thanks to the odd mix of dubbing, though in their native language with sub titles they seem much more powerful.

[Zotis]

All the dubbing in Spaghetti Westerns is a big reason why I don't like them. Most movie fans don't care for dubbed movies. And to me they seem like bad acting and comical thanks to the odd mix of dubbing, though in their native language with sub titles they seem much more powerful.

It actually doesn't bother me at all. There are some really great crime movies by Fernado Di Leo from that era, and they're all dubbed like that too.

The weird thing is that I was watching a lecture with a Q&A by William Friedkin and he said he does all his audio separately from shooting because the mic will pick up all kinds of background noise and friction from clothes moving, and you're restricted by how you can shoot so the mic isn't in the shot. And yet, I've never been able to tell if the audio was even slightly off or if there were any changes in the pitch. Sometimes in movies I can tell when a line is added in during editing or things like that.

[edarsenal]

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The Big Gundown aka La resa dei conti

It's always a great pleasure to get a surprise gem on the finale of an HoF List and, yes, my friends, this Taranito Spaghetti Western favorite is such a pleasure.
In these past Western films, I have seen Lee Van Cleef scowl from the background time and again. Most times without uttering a word. Though he did get to open a film (High Noon). But this is the very first time I get to seem him in full control of the leading role and the man DOES NOT disappoint. Not that there would have been a doubt - this was truly ideal vehicle for him to be in. His callous means to an end demeanor mixed with a proficient hunter's patience was f@ckin awesome to experience.
Nor does the film itself. With several colorful characters; such as the old gunslinger monk to the Austrian Baron that is fascinated with American Western "quick draw".
Oh, and, Oh mymymymymy,
The Widow (Nieves Navarro)
https://www.spaghetti-western.net/images/8/8b/Nievesnavarro.jpg

There are some great cat and mouse scenes and showdowns in this. Serious kudos to a film that has a man bring a knife to a gunfight -- what a helluva great shot. A totally "Holy sh#t that was awesome!" moment.
A very serious popcorn muncher, late-night drive-in feature, to be sure.

I'm very glad I watched the full 110 min version. Even though, initially, when I was looking for a good link for this film, the serious mix of English and Italian was a putoff. Now, I'm not a stranger to having multiple languages in a film. This is the first one with such a heavy ratio without any subtitles. I do appreciate and enjoy, "when" they'd switch to Italian when what was said had more of a gravitas/intimate inclination. Giving the unknown dialogue a kind of mystique. One exchange I'd love to learn of was Van Cleef's Corbett saying good-bye to The Widow, inside her home. It seems like there were some very cool witticisms going on between the two.

BRA-F@CKIN-O neiba!! Bravo

[edarsenal]

and, hol-lee sheep shaggers, I AM DONE

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oh, crap, now to figure out my voting.

This is gonna be HARD
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[Wyldesyde19]

Getting a chance to watch McCabe and Mrs Miller in a few minutes.

[neiba]

Dirty Little Billy (1972)

Another unusual western (this HoF is filled with them), that plays almost like a realistic documentary on the childhood of one of the most famous outlaws.
I like how dirty and immersive the atmosphere of the film was. The first shot is already amazing as a story telling device, and it's like that mud never really leaves the characters.
I also liked the fresh take on a very famous outlaw. Billy the Kid and others like him are usally glorified and have a certain aura of mystery around them, which is really entertaining but by the time this film came out quite overdone. Instead we are lead to sympathise with a kid that was pushed till he became a ruthless bandit.
In this aspect, the whole performance by Pollard is impressive. We can actually see his look changing as he loses his inocence.

A very nice nom!

3 -

Aaaand I'm done, list on the way!

[edarsenal]

Pollard was excellent in this. Seeing the transformation is nicely done.

[Wyldesyde19]

MCCabe and Mrs Miller


Altman’s early films has a unique style to them. Coming off MASH, which itself was amazing to me, he was an immensely popular director.
M&M isn’t a typical western for the first 60 minutes. It’s a slow build. You meet the two main characters played by Warren Beatty and Julie Christie. They’re surrounded by non descriptive characters who are never really developed, but they’re not supposed to be. Through this film you’ll see constant camera pans on them, as Altman will take the camera away from the conversations of the main characters and instead focus on what is going on around them.
If the first 60 minutes are slow, the last 60 minutes ratchet up to a degree, by Altman standards anyways, when a trio of gunman arrive looking for MCCabe. But even the gunfight isn’t your typical showdown, which is expected from Altman.
Beatty and Christie good in this film. McCabe is hopelessly in over his head throughout this film, as Miller is the perfect steady hand he needs to direct his business. They don’t seem to care for each other, or even like each other much. McCabe seems to cover her simply because she is pretty. And she seems to tolerate him because she knows she needs a man as the front of the business to have any hope of success. Before the gunfight, she seems worried but this is only because to me she doesn’t want to lose her partner. Indeed, during the climactic scene, she simply goes and gets high on opium rather then wait for him or help him in some way.
It’s interesting to watch the town as it is advanced during the film. It starts off as a few shacks and a small bridge and by the end of the film, it has grown. More buildings had been added, as their business has helped sustain the growth of the community.
It’s a good film, and I’ve now seen this twice, the first time being about 10 years ago. But something seemed off on this watch. Maybe it was because I was tired, so that could have effected my judgement. Either way, I didn’t seem to enjoy it as much as the first watch. A good film, but not great.

[Wyldesyde19]

I’ll be finishing this up the next few days guys

[Wyldesyde19]

Ok, starting on these last few films today since I’m off. Starting with The Grey Fox because it’s my most anticipated.
Reviews will come along later on.

[edarsenal]

Curious to see what you think of Grey Fox -- ENJOY

[Wyldesyde19]

Curious to see what you think of Grey Fox -- ENJOY
Curious here. Runtime seems short by what I watched. Has it at 90 mins while Wikipedia has it at 1hr 50 mins. 20 minute difference.
I wonder which is correct? If wiki is, what was cut out? Anything important?

[Citizen Rules]

Curious here. Runtime seems short by what I watched. Has it at 90 mins while Wikipedia has it at 1hr 50 mins. 20 minute difference.
I wonder which is correct? If wiki is, what was cut out? Anything important?The version I seen was 1 hour 31 minutes. I didn't know there was a longer one?

[Wyldesyde19]

The version I seen was 1 hour 31 minutes. I didn't know there was a longer one?
Wikipedia has it at 110 mins, which puts it at 1 hr 50 mins. That’s a 20 minute difference. But it could very well be a mistake.
Either way, it’s not unheard of for different versions of films to be out there so it shouldn’t be a big deal.

[Wyldesyde19]

Going to watch The Big Gundown next.
Will post reviews both both either later tonight or tomorrow around noon. Then it’s a matter of watching Dirty Little Billy.*

[Wyldesyde19]

The Grey Fox

Bill Minor has just been released from prison after 33 years (even though the math doesn’t work out. He started robbing in 1863, continues for 18 years before being caught and then served 33 years and that should have set this in 1912. Minor quibble)
He’s a fossil in the encroaching Industrial Age as cars and trains have overtaken the stage coach, which was his main source of income via robberies. He tries to earn a straight living, but finds it unsatisfying. It isn’t lining before he returns to robbing. This time it’s trains.
His first attempt goes wrong, but is more successful on his second try. He’s forced to lay low in Canada. It’s here where he meets a woman who he falls for and decides maybe he could settle down.
That’s works about it as well as you’d expect.
This films is great too look at, as the director, Philip Borsos, is able to capture the background so well, I found myself looking blast the characters and at the forests and mountains behind them. Or captivated by the the way Minor steps through a fog at the beginning or the night time scenes.
But really, it’s Richard Farnsworth who holds this film together with a perfectly understated performance, with nary a false note.
I had heard of this film, and indeed was always interested in seeing it and finally the opportunity presented itself. It didn’t disappoint.
Ed, this was a great nomination, and redeems you for nominating The Cowboys for the last western HOF 😜

[GulfportDoc]

The version I seen was 1 hour 31 minutes. I didn't know there was a longer one?
Yeah, I saw it when it came out in '82, then later acquired a VHS copy which had nothing edited from it. The copy is 1' 31". It's one of my all time favorite films.

[Wyldesyde19]

Yeah, I saw it when it came out in '82, then later acquired a VHS copy which had nothing edited from it. The copy is 1' 31". It's one of my all time favorite films.
Ok, thanks for clearing it up. 🙂
Wiki must be in error then.

[edarsenal]

The Grey Fox

Bill Minor has just been released from prison after 33 years (even though the math doesn’t work out. He started robbing in 1863, continues for 18 years before being caught and then served 33 years and that should have set this in 1912. Minor quibble)
He’s a fossil in the encroaching Industrial Age as cars and trains have overtaken the stage coach, which was his main source of income via robberies. He tries to earn a straight living, but finds it unsatisfying. It isn’t lining before he returns to robbing. This time it’s trains.
His first attempt goes wrong, but is more successful on his second try. He’s forced to lay low in Canada. It’s here where he meets a woman who he falls for and decides maybe he could settle down.
That’s works about it as well as you’d expect.
This films is great too look at, as the director, Philip Borsos, is able to capture the background so well, I found myself looking blast the characters and at the forests and mountains behind them. Or captivated by the the way Minor steps through a fog at the beginning or the night time scenes.
But really, it’s Richard Farnsworth who holds this film together with a perfectly understated performance, with nary a false note.
I had heard of this film, and indeed was always interested in seeing it and finally the opportunity presented itself. It didn’t disappoint.
Ed, this was a great nomination, and redeems you for nominating The Cowboys for the last western HOF 😜

screw you, pal, The Cowboys ROCK :coleman:
:D;)

But, seriously, so very glad you enjoyed it. It's definitely a gem and yes, Farnsworth truly makes this film. I had the pleasure of seeing his final film The Straight Story in the Recommendation HoF (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2074282#post2074282) shortly after watching this and he is an incredible, gentle man.

[edarsenal]

Citizen Rules, ahwell, John-Connor, neiba, Wyldesyde19, Zotis, Siddon

It be high noon, pardners!!
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Havent' heard anything from Zotis, so, if he does not respond by midnight, that will, unfortunately, do 'er.
I'm also waiting for Siddon's vote of 7 or news of being able to watch neiba's nomination.
Should he go with the 7 vote, I'll adjust the math accordingly.

As I hear things, I'll pass it along via this thread

Thank you and have a safe ride through town, y'all!

[Citizen Rules]

We all know what happens to horse thieves and HoF drop outs in the old west:eek: Ha

[edarsenal]

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[Wyldesyde19]

I’ll have a review up shortly for The Big Gundown. The version I watched was 1 hr 50 minutes but I saw that there a few different releases with varying runtimes. A 90 min US original version and 1 hr 45 min Italian version.
I’m fine with the cut I watched, but were there any big differences between them? Or did everyone watch the same cut I did?
Just curious.

[Wyldesyde19]

Besides the version I watched being mostly in Italian with occasional English

[Siddon]

https://currentthinkingonthewestern.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/bgc.jpg?w=529



The Big Gundown (1966)


<Sigh> all that work to watch this film and at the end of the day...it was fine. Bounty hunter Corbett is on the track of a Mexican rapist Cuchillo as they play a cat and mouse game along the Texas/Mexican border. If Corbett catches Cuchillo railroad tycoon Brockston will back his play and make him a Senator...well that's weird. Naturally we get the reveal that the real rapist is Chett...might be the earliest case of wokeness ever so congrats with that.


My immediate impression of the film is that it was extremely goofy at times, Corbett is almost comically put near death yet he's fine in the next scene. Cuchillo is annoying, really impresses on you how good Eli Wallach is in The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly as he makes Tuco much more tolerable even though the characters are very similar.



What elevates this from a bad movie to an okay one is the bells and whistles, it's the best shot film of all the nominees and the score is great. It also feels more of epic by constantly changing locations you felt like these characters where going on a journey. I also did get a kick out of the Gundown which did manage to be quite big.

[Citizen Rules]

Besides the version I watched being mostly in Italian with occasional English I believe that's what all of us watched. I know I did, though I thought it was suppose to be that way and they were speaking Spanish. Hell, Spanish and Italian sound similar to me:p

[Wyldesyde19]

The Big Gundown

This actually wasn’t that bad. Lee Van Cleef as a bounty hunter chasing down a Mexican child murderer/rapist.
What should have been a routine bounty proves anything but as Cuchillo, the wanted murderer, continues to out smart Van Cleef.
So we get a drawn out cat and mouse game until finally he catches his quarry. He actually catches him often. But someone always interferes.
The music is decent, as expected of Morricone, and Van Cleef is steady. But there’s something missing here. *
It didn’t help that the language constantly flipped back and forth in mid conversation.
Still, there’s an ok film here. Just needs a proper version.

[Wyldesyde19]

So that leaves me with one film so in the meantime I will await and see what happens with Zotis before I watch it.
If he is still in, I’ll review it tomorrow.
Have already spoken with Ed over it.
If he’s out, then I’ll submit my ballot after the confirmation

[Wyldesyde19]

I believe that's what all of us watched. I know I did, though I thought it was suppose to be that way and they were speaking Spanish. Hell, Spanish and Italian sound similar to me:p
Maybe it was Spanish. 🤷

[Citizen Rules]

Maybe it was Spanish. 🤷Hell if I know:p

[Wyldesyde19]

With 30 mins to go, I’m thinking it’s going to be a no show for Zotis. I’ll go ahead and send my ballot, Ed, and send it in sans Dirty Little Billy.
If somehow he appears, I’ll watch it and revise my ballot.
With the deadline about to pass, I think I’ll be safe.

[edarsenal]

Citizen Rules, ahwell, John-Connor, neiba, Wyldesyde19, Zotis, Siddon

Clock is about to click out for midnight, so it is looking like Zotis is lost to the prairie.
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I'll be doing the Voting Reveal Saturday Night around 9pm Eastern
With my first look at the votes, it is rather diverse so it'll be intriguing to see how it turns out.

[Siddon]

If I could describe my feelings on the films I watched in western color.


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[edarsenal]

um, peach-y?

:D;)

[Siddon]

Beige and bland

[Zotis]

I misjudged the deadline, I thought it was the 14th. Can I get a two day extension? It will take me less than 48 hours to finish.

[Zotis]

Actually, I'm going to try to finish within the next 10 hours, but I'll definitely be finished within 24 hours. It's just a question of if I get too tired and have to sleep before I'm finished.

[neiba]

For me it would be ok waiting for Zotis :)

[Siddon]

I'd also be fine with this

[Zotis]

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McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971)

I loved how realistic this movie was. Just when I thought it was going stay purely a drama things got really interesting in that lawless edge of civilization way. One particular thing that stood out was how well done the drunk acting was, but there were also some nice improvised elements that you could tell were unscripted. That added to the realism a lot, and I love seeing this sort of thing in movies. The ending was magnificent. This movie was really ideal for me.

4.5

[Zotis]

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Bone Tomahawk (2015)

I wasn't particularly a fan of this one. It was mildly entertaining. I found the story uninspiring, and the plot fairly implausible. The troglodites were stealthy, fast, and lethal when it served the plot and slothful, tactless, and brainless when the plot wanted people to survive a given situation. The most compelling character was Samantha, played by Lili Simmons. She had some interesting lines, and unlike any of the other characters actually felt like a real person. The visual production quality was fairly high, but that isn't something I think is important. I prioritize writing, acting, directing, and cinematography, and on those fronts this movie was only average in my estimation.

2.5

[Zotis]

Two more to go, I think I will be finished in the next 4-5 hours.

[Zotis]

I'm watching Red River now. I'm not particularly looking forward to it, but I hope it's mildly enjoyable. I'll save my re-watch of Meek's Cutoff for the finale.

[edarsenal]

Citizen Rules, ahwell, John-Connor, neiba, Wyldesyde19, Zotis, Siddon

Zotis aka The Calvary is riding in so we will extend to accommodate.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/579b9e0df428ed3ca443bf3ba7f656f0/tenor.gif?itemid=15842464
VERY f@ckin nice!! :)

Also, let us know Wylde, what time you need to watch and write up Dirty Billy


Once done, I'll announce a date for the reveal. Most likely around the same time (9pm Eastern) for everyone

[Wyldesyde19]

Citizen Rules, ahwell, John-Connor, neiba, Wyldesyde19, Zotis, Siddon

Zotis aka The Calvary is riding in so we will extend to accommodate.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/579b9e0df428ed3ca443bf3ba7f656f0/tenor.gif?itemid=15842464
VERY f@ckin nice!! :)

Also, let us know Wylde, what time you need to watch and write up Dirty Billy


Once done, I'll announce a date for the reveal. Most likely around the same time (9pm Eastern) for everyone
I’ll have to finish it later on today. I’ll let you know.

[edarsenal]

SWEET

thank you SO MUCH guys!!
And that includes Siddon for all the trouble you endured to watch the final film, The Big Gundown. VERY much appreciated!

[Zotis]

That's for waiting for me guys. Sorry I got mixed up about the deadline. I don't mind watching 4 movies in one sitting. It's fun actually, when you give it the added benefit of being a forum game/event.

[Wyldesyde19]

It’s fine, no big deal to be honest. It happens. This gives me a chance now to watch Dirty Little Billy, which looks interesting.
I’ll get to it tonight, and will revise my ballot.

[Zotis]

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Red River (1948)

I wasn't a fan of this one. The story and plot were decent, but I found the acting pretty wooden. I wasn't crazy about some of the dialogue either. I thought the characters were developed and distinct, and enjoyed some of the dynamics. It was set in a very interesting time, when the gun was the only law. I had mixed feelings about John Wayne's character who seemed a bit morally ambiguous, but I liked how the various characters responded to moral dilemmas.

2.5

[Zotis]

Alright, well I'm about half way done Meek's Cutoff, and it's a rewatch. But I'm running on fumes and starting to nod off. So, I'm going to crash for the evening, and first thing when I wake up I'll finish it and submit my ballot.

[edarsenal]

you're doing AWESOME Zotis!!
BRAVO
curl up, let the campfire cool down and see on the morrow!

[Citizen Rules]

Alright, well I'm about half way done Meek's Cutoff, and it's a rewatch. But I'm running on fumes and starting to nod off. So, I'm going to crash for the evening, and first thing when I wake up I'll finish it and submit my ballot.You want to be fresh for Meek's Cutoff as you and me are going to be the only two who don't vote it last. Everyone else seemed to hate it:eek:

[Zotis]

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Meek's Cutoff (2010)

Anyone on here who knows me knows that I love unconventional narrative structure. This movie was a gourmet treat catered perfectly to my taste. It's rare to see a movie this subtle even in arthouse cinema. There was dialogue off in the distance that I had to strain to hear and missed parts of just like the women who weren't privy to their male counter parts' discussion. They had to stand off in the distance and could barely hear even though the conversation directly affected their fates. I strongly related to Michelle Williams' character, Emily, with her passionate but measured anger towards the ignorance and stupidity that threatened to get them all killed. One line particularly stood out to me, "I don't blame him for not knowing. I blame him for saying that he did." A lot of movies force situations to reach the desired outcome of the plot, and as a result they feel unrealistic and lack emotional impact. The plot in this movie was natural and realistic. The characters were sensible, and on both sides reasonable. Meek himself was a moderate example of a fool who talks too much, and lies in a compelling manner. The others who struggled with belief and doubt proposed reasonable perspectives to each other as they discussed their course of action. How often I've found myself frustrated with the stupidity of characters who make choices that just don't seem thoughtful enough, because the plot needs to go in a certain direction. The sensibility of the characters in this movie was very refreshing. The gorgeous shots of the cast walking across dreary landscapes sunk in the atmosphere of exhaustion and gave me a sense of just how tiresome it must have been, and how much walking they had to do. Across barren desert, rocky hills, winding valleys, and muddy rivers they dragged their weathered souls towards the uncertain hope of a better future. The variety of landscapes, and the landscapes themselves were quite fascinating. I can certainly understand why most people would not enjoy this movie. Unless you love cinematography for the sake of cinematography alone, and enjoy seeing actors walking in costume across various landscapes and doing normal things like lighting fires and setting up camp, I don't think a person can enjoy this type of film. The camera angles themselves, and the different types of shots, tickled me gleefully. I get so tired and bored of the constant straight on shots and over the shoulder dialogue shots that most movies have. I just love it when the camera is put all over the place, and you really get to enjoy cinematography as an art form. I can't stand the formulaic dialogue that most movies have, where characters never talk out of turn, and generally lack the awkwardness and quarreling that real life has. I think a lot of things were improvised in this movie. I got the sense they were just literally setting up camp and the camera was capturing whatever naturally unfolded. I haven't seen any movie quite like this. For my second watch I enjoyed it even more than the first time. I already want to watch it again.

4.5

[Zotis]

I sent in my ballot. For me the toughest decision was which I liked more between Dirty Little Billy and McCabe & Mrs. Miller.

[cricket]

I sent in my ballot. For me the toughest decision was which I liked more between Dirty Little Billy and McCabe & Mrs. Miller.

Good job bud, I was doubting you for a minute a while back.

[Zotis]

Good job bud, I was doubting you for a minute a while back.

Thanks, I see you got a Hannie Caulder avatar. :D

[Wyldesyde19]

I’ll be finishing this shortly

[Wyldesyde19]

Sorry, guys. Busy weekend. Didn’t watch anything at all. Going to start on Dirty Little Billy in a few mins. Will have a review up tomorrow.
Again, sorry for the delay.

[edarsenal]

Sorry, guys. Busy weekend. Didn’t watch anything at all. Going to start on Dirty Little Billy in a few mins. Will have a review up tomorrow.
Again, sorry for the delay.

you're good, just let us know and send me a new ballot with Dirty included :)

[Wyldesyde19]

I’m at work currently, but I’ll have a write up later tonight after I get home and eat. Ballot will be sent as well

[Wyldesyde19]

Dirty Little Billy

Emphasis on dirty. Mud covers the street, quite suitable actually. I like that it doesn’t glamorize the old west. Everyone is covered in mud, or dirt. And the streets are quagmires where everyone seems to fall in.
Pollard was fine as Billy. Not great, but better then I expected. It was Berle, played by Lee Purcell who got my attention. Looking impossibly stunning even amongst all that mud. She portrays Berle with a little bit of sexiness with some steel resolve hidden behind those eyes.
She proves it during the knife fight.
This is a film I really wish I could see proper, as I feel watching it on my laptop doesn’t do it justice.
Still, it’s not bad actually. It’s definitely not your typical western. And the violence never felt forced.
Good nomination.

[Wyldesyde19]

I seriously wish I could have viewed a better version of this, as I feel the one I watched (YouTube, ugh) totally doesn’t do it any justice.
I don’t recognize Lee Purcell in anything else, I wonder why her career never took off after this?

[Citizen Rules]

I seriously wish I could have viewed a better version of this, as I feel the one I watched (YouTube, ugh) totally doesn’t do it any justice.
I don’t recognize Lee Purcell in anything else, I wonder why her career never took off after this?I liked the movie but the copy I watched had Spanish subtitles that I found distracting. I real nice copy would've been a plus.

[Wyldesyde19]

I liked the movie but the copy I watched had Spanish subtitles that I found distracting. I real nice copy would've been a plus.
Mine didn’t have Spanish subtitles, but I agree with you. Good movie, where a real copy would have been great.

[Citizen Rules]

Mine didn’t have Spanish subtitles, but I agree with you. Good movie, where a real copy would have been great.What about The Gray Fox? Did you find a decent copy of that? I couldn't.

[Wyldesyde19]

What about The Gray Fox? Did you find a decent copy of that? I couldn't.
Ed sent me a link that was actually not bad. It’s a shame that some of these movies were so hard to find really. Fox, Billy and Gundown were all worth watching in my opinion, but I feel like I lost something watching it on my laptop. Oh well. 3 move sill have to track down in the future to watch “properly”.

[ahwell]

Excited for the reveal!

[Citizen Rules]

Me too:)

[rauldc14]

When is reveal for this one?

[edarsenal]

Excited for the reveal!

Me too:)

When is reveal for this one?

Citizen Rules, ahwell, John-Connor, neiba, Wyldesyde19, Zotis, Siddon

To give everyone a sufficient heads up, I'll do it tomorrow night, Wednesday at 9pm Eastern.


and agree about Grey Fox The Big Gundown and Dirty Little Billy should all be seen in better copies. Though I did actually like the mix of languages in TBG. It actually added something to the viewing for me.

I am very glad to see that Dirty Billy stayed in the HoF, being a very worthwhile film for an HoF specialized in Unknown/Lesser known Westerns.

[edarsenal]

Citizen Rules, ahwell, John-Connor, neiba, Wyldesyde19, Zotis, Siddon

Just a heads up, we are still good for the 9pm Eastern Reveal in just about one hour

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[edarsenal]

and five minutes til reveal time

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[edarsenal]

Citizen Rules, ahwell, John-Connor, neiba, Wyldesyde19, Zotis, Siddon

All righty tighty my fellow bushwhacking, tumbleweed aficionados!

I want to start with a HUGE thank you to you all for participating and picking lesser known films for this HoF. It's been downright, upright, out of sight -- I don't know WHY I'm talking in 60s Hippy groove lingo, but--

Let's just stuff a battery up this puppy and see how funny it walks, shall we?


oh, also, we have two ties in our finals, so last place with start at Sixth Place

[Wyldesyde19]

And thank you for hosting it!

[edarsenal]

SIXTH PLACE
THE SCALPHUNTERS

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14 points
1 Sixth Place, 4 Seventh Place and 3 Eighth Place Positions

[edarsenal]

Thanks, wylde!!

I was one of the 7th place, didn't dislike it, just simply enjoyed other movies more.

[edarsenal]

with a bit of a jump in points,


FIFTH PLACE
BONE TOMAHAWK

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32 Points
3 Third Place, 1 Fifth Place, 1 Seventh Place and 2 Eighth Place Positions

[edarsenal]

Had this at 5th place, good film, solid characters

[edarsenal]

FOURTH PLACE
MEEK'S CUTOFF

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35 Points
2 First Place, 1 Third Place, 1 Fifth Place, 2 Sixth Place, 2 Seventh Place and 1 Eighth Place Position

[edarsenal]

Good film, but, I am sorry CR, someone had to take last position and this it for me.

[cricket]

It's like social distancing has extended to the Internet.

[Citizen Rules]

Good film, but, I am sorry CR, someone had to take last position and this it for me.Huh? I don't follow?

[Citizen Rules]

Oh wait I get it, you voted it last place. That's OK:rolleyes::)

[edarsenal]

THIRD PLACE/TIE
DIRTY LITTLE BILLY

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39 Points
2 Second Place, 1 Third Place, 2 Fourth Place, 2 Fifth Place and 1 Eighth Place Position

[Citizen Rules]

FOURTH PLACE
MEEK'S CUTOFF


35 Points
2 First Place, 1 Third Place, 1 Fifth Place, 2 Sixth Place, 2 Seventh Place and 1 Eighth Place Position
Thank goodness for Zotis finishing or Meek's Cutoff would've probably been last place.

[Citizen Rules]

An eight place for Dirty Little Billy, who wants to claim that? I liked that film and had it as my #3

[ahwell]

Oop, I’m late!

My list so far

1.
2.
3. Bone Tomahawk
4.
5. Meek’s Cutoff
6.
7. The Scalphunters
8. Dirty Little Billy

And Citizen Rules I claim eighth place with no shame :p

[Citizen Rules]

....And @Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84637) I claim eighth place with no shame :pOh you!:p

[edarsenal]

THIRD PLACE/TIE
RED RIVER

https://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/review/primary_image/reviews/great-movie-red-river-1948/EB19980301REVIEWS08401010355AR.jpg

39 Points
1 First Place, 2 2nd Place, 1 Third Place, 3 Sixth Place, and 1 Seventh Place Positions

[ahwell]

I liked my own nom!!

1.
2. Red River
3. Bone Tomahawk
4.
5. Meek’s Cutoff
6.
7. The Scalphunters
8. Dirty Little Billy

[Citizen Rules]

I had Red River at #2.

[edarsenal]

BRB

[edarsenal]

I had Billy at 4 and Red River at 3.


and, now, for our second Tie:

[edarsenal]

SECOND PLACE/TIE
THE GREY FOX

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/61/fe/91/61fe9126fc9141efe0fa9faf701dee75--bone-cancer-prostate-cancer.jpghttps://www.cowboycountrymagazine.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bill%20miner%202.jpg

42 Points
2 First Place, 2 Fourth Place, 2 Fifth Place, and 1 Sixth Place Positions


SECOND PLACE/TIE
THE BIG GUNDOWN

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-8pfw9QeOGo/sddefault.jpg

42 Points
1 First Place, 1 Second Place, 2 Fourth Place, 2 Fifth Place and 1 Seventh Place Positions

[ahwell]

YESSSSSS MY #1 WONN!!!

1. McCabe and Mrs Miller
2. Red River
3. Bone Tomahawk
4. The Big Gundown
5. Meeks Cutoff
6. The Grey Fox
7. The Scalphunters
8. Dirty Little Billy

Thanks for hosting Ed!!! :)

[ahwell]

Oh oops I posted before he revealed it :o

[edarsenal]

FIRST PLACE
McCABE & MRS MILLER

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45 Points
3 First Place, 1 Second Place, 1 Third Place, 1 Fifth Place and 1 Sixth Place

[cricket]

1. McCabe and Mrs. Miller
2. Red River
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Dirty Little Billy
8. Scalphunters


The other 4 are all so close that I have no idea what order I'd put them in.




Good job everyone!

[Citizen Rules]

Congrats Ahwell, yet again...don't you get tired of having your movies win:) Seriously Mc Cabe and Mrs Miller was a good choice.

Thanks Mucho Ed for hosting! Nicely done.

And thanks to everyone for joining & nominating some interesting films, and especially for finishing!

[edarsenal]

THANKS EVERYONE
and CONGRATS to John-Connor for the WIN!!!


I also wanted to post the running tally. It was seriously tight race for the top 3 positions.
I have this set as the first 3 votes tallied, followed by the next three and then the last two votes


McCabe & Mrs Miller ...... 1st/21pts.... 2nd/32pt .... 1st/45pts ....

The Grey Fox ...... 6th/12pts.... 3rd/29pts.... 2nd/42pts*....

The Big Gundown ....... 4th/14pts.... 1st/33pts*.... 2nd/42pts*....

Red River ...... 2nd/16pts.... 1st/33pts*.... 3rd/39pts*....

Dirty Little Billy ...... 7th/11pts .... 4th/28pts... 3rd/39pts*....

Meek’s Cutoff ...... 3rd/15pts.... 5th/21pts .... 4th/35pts....

Bone Tomahawk ...... 5th/13pts.... 3rd/29pts .... 5th/32pts....

The Scalphunters ...... 8th/6pts ..... 6th/11pts .... 6th/14pts....


* TIES

[edarsenal]

Congrats Ahwell, yet again...don't you get tired of having your movies win:) Seriously Mc Cabe and Mrs Miller was a good choice.

Thanks Mucho Ed for hosting! Nicely done.

And thanks to everyone for joining & nominating some interesting films, and especially for finishing!


THANK YOU CR!!!

though awhell nominated Red River, McCabe was his First Place Vote

[edarsenal]

My List
The Grey Fox
The Big Gundown
Red River
Dirty Little Billy
Bone Tomahawk
McCabe & Mrs. Miller
The Scalphunters
Meek's Cutoff

[Citizen Rules]

THANK YOU CR!!!

though awhell nominated Red River, McCabe was his First Place Vote Well then...better luck next time Ahwell;)

And Congrats to John Connor!

[Citizen Rules]

My voting list

1 Meek's Cutoff (2010)
2 Red River (1948)
3 Dirty Little Billy (1972)
4 McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971)
5 The Grey Fox (1982)
6 The Scalphunters (1968)
7 The Big Gundown (1966)
8 Bone Tomahawk (2015)

[Wyldesyde19]

Really happy with the results. Was hoping The Grey Fox would win, but McCabe and Mrs Miller was decent. I need to rewatch that.
I voted Scalphunters, my pick, last. Didn’t like the acting outside of the two mains. Felt they could have made it more serious.
Really enjoyed The Big Gundown and was happy with how high it placed.
All around a decent HOF guys. Thanks again, Ed for hosting.*
Looking forward to the next one 🙂

[edarsenal]

Definitely some great gems in here, Billy, Grey and Big Gundown were the biggest surprises for me as far as enjoyment went.

[Zotis]

I missed the reveal, because I was sleeping. That was a pretty intense race though. Here was my list:

1. Meek's Cutoff
2. Dirty Little Billy
3. McCabe & Mrs. Miller
4. The Grey Fox
5. The Big Gundown
6. Red River
7. Bone Tomahawk
8. The Scalphunters

The first 4 I loved, and the bottom four I didn't particularly like. The Scalphunters was the only one that I strongly disliked. The hardest choice for me was over Dirty Little Billy and McCabe & Mrs. Miller. They were both such great films, gritty and realistic, and unconventional. But I had to choose Billy because it was the biggest surprise in terms of personal enjoyment. Although I would say that McCabe & Mrs. Miller was a better movie objectively, I was more entertained and pleased by Dirty Little Billy. Lee Purcell was so gorgeous, and I have a real soft spot for women who are pretty even when they don't wear make-up. She was pretty even when she was caked in mud. And the tragic way she died really broke my heart. I am a sucker for tragedy.

The Big Gundown was surprisingly entertaining for a style of cinema that doesn't normally appeal to me. I'm kind of disappointed that I didn't watch the full version with the Italian scenes, because the bit I did see when I was looking for links for Siddon was really good. But I only watched the English version, and I did feel a bit odd about some of the cuts. I just had no idea that the reason was because the Italian scenes were removed.

The Grey Fox was an ideal Western for me. It stands out among the sea of Westerns, and is a truly great movie. The competition was just too fierce for it to break higher in my opinion. But I can't find a single flaw in that movie. It's one of my top 25 Westerns for sure!

Red River was a little bit hard to get through. I find the propaganda Hollywood style, and John Wayne's wooden acting, difficult to endure. But it had a good classic vibe, and it was a good story with some very strong elements that were enjoyable. So I had mixed feelings about it.

Bone Tomahawk was a movie that I felt went all out for entertainment value, but because it didn't pay enough attention to the writing of the story, plot, characters, and dialogue, it didn't work for me. This is a movie that I normally would never be interested in watching. But, due it at least being entertaining, and Lili Simmons incredible performance, it at least rose up from the bottom. Lili Simmons actually blew me away. It's too bad her role was a bit small. She was gorgeous, but really just a solid talented actor. No one else felt as authentic as her.

The Scalphunters was a challenge to get through. This was the only movie that I strongly disliked and got no enjoyment out of. It had a similar style to The Big Gundown, but lacked tension and atmosphere. I found some scenes interesting, but there were not enough of them to make the overall experience enjoyable for me. Some scenes were in the so-bad-it's-good variety. And some characters were outright obnoxious. This was the only movie here that actually had elements I found obnoxious.

I had a real joy revisiting Meek's Cutoff, and was actually surprised to find that I enjoyed it even more than my first viewing. It's all Ed's fault that it didn't place higher :p. But, thanks for putting it up Citizen Rules. This was a rare moment that you and I both loved a movie this much. Many times we're at odds over movies, so it was interesting that you loved one of my favorites so much. I honestly am having a hard time deciding which Western will be my all-time number 1, it's between Meek's Cutoff and El Toppo. I'm going to rewatch El Toppo by Friday night to see how I feel about it since I've only watched it once before.

[neiba]

Ahhhhh, so close!!!!

Congrats to John Connor and to McCabe & Mrs. Miller!

As for my nom, I hope at least I presented a hell of a spaghetti western to some members of the forum and I hope it has a chance of making the MoFo countdown, as I feel it's a subgenre very misrepresented!

[Zotis]

McCabe & Mrs. Miller was my first submission, but John-Connor had already submitted it, so I had to choose another. That's why Citizen thought I had tried to submit Meek's Cutoff, because he knew that was a favorite of mine.

[John-Connor]

Wow what a surprising outcome! (Besides Scalphunters ending last :p)
Thanks everybody for playing!
Had a good time in this small but great hof before the big Western countdown tomorrow.
Cheers Ed! For an excellent job hosting.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/ca5a0db220e5aaad86330f9f3957d4f3/tenor.gif?itemid=14636913

my ballot:
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[Zotis]

my ballot:
64530

I like how you did that.

[Citizen Rules]

Congrats @John-Connor (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=102242)

McCabe & Mrs Miller...now hangs proudly on the hallowed walls of MoFo's Hall of Fame Archives

https://i.imgur.com/W9qUIUF.jpg

[Wyldesyde19]

I can never apologize enough for Scalphunters......


*I don’t normally go with blind nominations.

[Zotis]

Well, some people did really enjoy Scalphunters.

I like your wall Citizen. A few of those movies pains me, but generally it's a pretty good list. The visual effect is really cool. I like what you did.

[John-Connor]

Congrats @John-Connor (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=102242)

McCabe & Mrs Miller...now hangs proudly on the hallowed walls of MoFo's Hall of Fame Archives

https://i.imgur.com/W9qUIUF.jpg
Awesome! Impressive wall, shame I missed the Looney Tunes HoF!

[Citizen Rules]

...I like your wall Citizen. A few of those movies pains me, but generally it's a pretty good list. The visual effect is really cool. I like what you did.

Awesome! Impressive wall, shame I missed the Looney Tunes HoF! That's just one of the Hall of Fame Walls in the MoFo Hall of Fame Museum.

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=39033&stc=1&d=1512840755


Free admission pass (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=52323)

[Zotis]

Citizen, I had no idea you were such a beast.

Edit: You sure put in work on that thread.

[edarsenal]

the man IS a beast! :)

I've always loved his choice of going with a red brick wall