Western Hall of Fame II

[ahwell]

Western Hall of Fame II

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Welcome to the Western II Hall of Fame!

Please submit with in the next 10-12 days, so between December 21 and 23 If someone wants to come in a short time after it starts that is okay too.

Current Participants:
ahwell *Nomination “Received”
edarsenal *Nomination Received
Wyldesyde19 *Nomination Received
Citizen Rules * Nomination Received
Keyser Corelone *Nomination Received


- Any Western works. As with the ongoing Westerns Countdown, there will be no set in stone rule for what makes a Western. Just nominate what you think qualifies. Remember that nothing that has won before can be nominate, so Dances with Wolves and Once Upon a Time in the West are ineligible. I know we’ve discussed having previous winners be automatically nominated in a genre-specific HoF, but I’m holding off on that for now. There may be a couple others that have won that I missed, so check Citizen Rules’s convenient Winners Archive (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=52323) to see if your nomination is available.

- Nominations are sent to me as a Private Message (i.e. do NOT post your nominations on this thread before all nominations are revealed). For now send me only one nomination, we’ll see if enough people join to keep it that way.

- Each participant is required to watch ALL nominated films and write at least few sentences about them. If you've already seen a nominated film recently enough to give it fair consideration in voting you may pass on watching it again (you still need to write something about the film).

- After watching every film send your vote (a numbered list of all nominations with #1 being your favorite, #2 your second favorite, and so on) to me as a Personal Message (i.e. do NOT post your vote on this thread before HoF is finished and the winner is announced).

- If you have trouble locating a particular film, please ask for help in this thread. When responding to help requests, please do so via private message. Do not directly link or embed films in this thread.

- If for any reason you need to drop out of participating in this Hall of Fame, please notify me ASAP either in this thread or via private message.

Nominations:

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The Ox-Bow Incident (1943)
Nominated by: Citizen Rules

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Rio Bravo (1959)
Nominated by: KeyserCorleone

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The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)
Nominated by: Wyldsyde 19

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The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (1966)
Nominated by: ahwell

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The Shooting (1966)
Nominated by: Hey Fredrick

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The Great Silence (1968)
Nominated by: Zotis

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The Cowboys (1972)
Nominated by: edarsenal

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The Salvation (2014)
Nominated by: Siddon

Hey Frederick - 8/8 COMPLETED
The Shooting (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2052813#post2052813)
The Salvation (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2054039#post2054039)
The Ox-Bow Incident (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2054432#post2054432)
The Great Silence (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2054631#post2054631)
The Cowboys (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2055549#post2055549)
Rio Bravo (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2057137#post2057137)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2057425#post2057425)
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2057496#post2057496)

ahwell - 8/8 COMPLETED
The Ox-Bow Incident (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2053006#post2053006)
The Salvation (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2054783#post2054783)
The Shooting (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2054784#post2054784)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2055265#post2055265)
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2055533#post2055533)
Rio Bravo (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2055583#post2055583)
The Cowboys (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2055708#post2055708)
The Great Silence (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2056008#post2056008)

Citizen Rules - 8/8 COMPLETED
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2053078#post2053078)
The Ox-Bow Incident (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2053087#post2053087)
The Shooting (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2053183#post2053183)
Rio Bravo (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2055194#post2055194)
The Salvation (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2055539#post2055539)
The Cowboys (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2055550#post2055550)
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2056338#post2056338)
The Great Silence (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2057724#post2057724)

Zotis - 8/8 COMPLETED
The Shooting (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2053120#post2053120)
The Ox-Bow Incident (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2056078#post2056078)
Rio Bravo (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2060889#post2060889)
The Cowboys (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2060939#post2060939)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2061012#post2061012)
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2061364#post2061364)
The Great Silence (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2061835#post2061835)
The Salvation (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2061922#post2061922)

Keyser Corleone - 8/8 COMPLETED
Rio Bravo (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2053177#post2053177)
The Ox-Bow Incident (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2053180#post2053180)
The Salvation (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2055174#post2055174)
The Cowboys (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2059303#post2059303)
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2059791#post2059791)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2060331#post2060331)
The Shooting (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2062523#post2062523)
The Great Silence (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2062545#post2062545)

Wyldesyde19 - 8/8 COMPLETED
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2053311#post2053311)
The Shooting (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2056321#post2056321)
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2056779#post2056779)
The Salvation (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2059576#post2059576)
The Great Silence (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2061571#post2061571)
The Cowboys (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2063425#post2063425)
Rio Bravo-
https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2063275#post2063275
Ox-Bow Incident-
https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2060174#post2060174

Edarsenal - 6/8
The Cowboys (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2053534#post2053534)
The Ox-Bow Incident (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2054561#post2054561)
Rio Bravo (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2055201#post2055201)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2056418#post2056418)
The Salvation (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2063343#post2063343)
The Shooting (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2063655#post2063655)

Siddon - 8/8 COMPLETED
The Cowboys (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2057058#post2057058)
The Shooting (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2057176#post2057176)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2057610#post2057610)
The Great Silence (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2059048#post2059048)
The Salvation (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2059409#post2059409)
The Ox-Bow Incident (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2059434#post2059434)
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2059423#post2059423)
Rio Bravo (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=2060888#post2060888)



DEADLINE: Monday, February 10, 2020

[ahwell]

I’ve picked my nom and I went with a very well known but blind watch.

[Citizen Rules]

Yeah! this will be fun! I just have to decide on which of the many great westerns I want for a nom. So I think I'll watch some potential noms over the next 10 days and send in my nom right before this starts.

[ahwell]

Yeah! this will be fun! I just have to decide on which of the many great westerns I want for a nom. So I think I'll watch some potential noms over the next 10 days and send in my nom right before this starts.
Looking forward to seeing your pic!

[Miss Vicky]

I'll keep my eye on this and may join shortly after the nominations are announced if everything looks okay.

[edarsenal]

nomination sent!

[Siddon]

I'll keep my eye on this and may join shortly after the nominations are announced if everything looks okay.


Same, I'm somewhat burned out on westerns

[Wyldesyde19]

I’ve picked my nom and I went with a very well known but blind watch.
What do you guys mean when you refer to a “blind watch”?
Is it one you haven’t seen before, I assume? I always thought the nominations had to be of films we have seen before, so correct me if I’m wrong on that

[ahwell]

I’ve picked my nom and I went with a very well known but blind watch.
What do you guys mean when you refer to a “blind watch”?
Is it one you haven’t seen before, I assume? I always thought the nominations had to be of films we have seen before, so correct me if I’m wrong on that
No they don’t have to be. I only nominate blind films when there’s an upcoming countdown and I want to get in as many as possible (I.e. pre-30s).
And yes, it means I haven’t seen it before.

[cricket]

Not joining right now because I don't have enough time to watch a bunch that I've already seen. If the noms come out and I haven't seen most, and it's still open, I'll hop in. If not, I'll probably at least watch whatever nominations I haven't seen.

[pahaK]

Not joining right now because I don't have enough time to watch a bunch that I've already seen. If the noms come out and I haven't seen most, and it's still open, I'll hop in. If not, I'll probably at least watch whatever nominations I haven't seen.

I've been thinking and I'm actually on the same boat (hope cricket has big enough boat for two). I just don't want to rewatch ones I already know to be on my list.

[Wyldesyde19]

Not joining right now because I don't have enough time to watch a bunch that I've already seen. If the noms come out and I haven't seen most, and it's still open, I'll hop in. If not, I'll probably at least watch whatever nominations I haven't seen.

I've been thinking and I'm actually on the same boat (hope cricket has big enough boat for two). I just don't want to rewatch ones I already know to be on my list.
I was concerned about the same thing and was considering a wait and see approach as well, but there’s large amount of westerns I have yet to see that will probably be nominated, at least I am hoping for anyways.
Even if I have seen them, looking over my collection, I realize I haven’t seen them in quite awhile so they’re due for a re-watch.
Hopefully it works out for you guys and you are able to join. 🙂

[ahwell]

Hmm... looks like we might have to do double noms. There’s already four people who said “Maybe” and one person who will nominate right before the deadline, so I guess we’ll still keep it one until the noms reveal.

[Citizen Rules]

Hmm... looks like we might have to do double noms. There’s already four people who said “Maybe” and one person who will nominate right before the deadline, so I guess we’ll still keep it one until the noms reveal.I'm in for sure! So you can count me as a member. I'm just trying to make up my mind as to what western I choose.

Hopefully more will join, sometimes it takes awhile before people see a thread as they aren't online that much. I think this will be a fun HoF:)

[Wyldesyde19]

Hmm... looks like we might have to do double noms. There’s already four people who said “Maybe” and one person who will nominate right before the deadline, so I guess we’ll still keep it one until the noms reveal.

I’m sure some others will join once the noms are shown. What’s usually a preferred number of reviewers for these things? Or does that vary on the various HOF?

[ahwell]

Hmm... looks like we might have to do double noms. There’s already four people who said “Maybe” and one person who will nominate right before the deadline, so I guess we’ll still keep it one until the noms reveal.

I’m sure some others will join once the noms are shown. What’s usually a preferred number of reviewers for these things? Or does that vary on the various HOF?
I was hoping for at least eight, but we can make do with less I guess.

[Citizen Rules]

Let's invite some people! Off the top of my head I can think of:
gbgoodies KeyserCorleone rauldc14 GulfportDoc Hey Fredrick (sorry if I forgot anybody else, maybe I'll PM a few people too)

[edarsenal]

Doing the reveal and seeing which of the "maybes" join it should get us over the minimum of 8. Which in it's way is fine since the ideal scenario is to get a couple of these done before the Countdown and having a smaller group will definitely guarantee that since we normally set the time restraint as a week per each nomination.

[Wyldesyde19]

There were a lot of choices I could have gone with, many that I own, but I narrowed it down to 3 and went with one I didn’t think many have watched yet, and also one I have wanted to watch again since it’s been quite a few years.
I can’t wait to see the reveals 🙂

[gbgoodies]

Hmm... looks like we might have to do double noms. There’s already four people who said “Maybe” and one person who will nominate right before the deadline, so I guess we’ll still keep it one until the noms reveal.

Let's invite some people! Off the top of my head I can think of:
gbgoodies KeyserCorleone rauldc14 GulfportDoc Hey Fredrick (sorry if I forgot anybody else, maybe I'll PM a few people too)


Thanks for the invite, but you'll have to add me to the "wait and see" club. I've been watching a lot of westerns over the past couple of weeks, and I think I'm starting to realize that I'm not much of a westerns fan, and I think I hate the spaghetti westerns.

[Citizen Rules]

Thanks for the invite, but you'll have to add me to the "wait and see" club. I've been watching a lot of westerns over the past couple of weeks, and I think I'm starting to realize that I'm not much of a westerns fan, and I think I hate the spaghetti westerns.I like the spaghetti westerns but I can see where you wouldn't. I suggest trying 1950s westerns...There less about brutality and blood and more about arch hero types and morality. And often there's a romance mini-story included with the movie. I like them anyway.

[gbgoodies]

I like the spaghetti westerns but I can see where you wouldn't. I suggest trying 1950s westerns...There less about brutality and blood and more about arch hero types and morality. And often there's a romance mini-story included with the movie. I like them anyway.


I've found some western movies that I like, but they seem to be the ones with less bloodshed. There's way too much violence in some western movies.

I've been working on a potential list for the countdown, and I already have a list of about 40 movies that could make my list, and many of them are "real" westerns, not just "fluff" like comedies and musicals. I should have a nice "respectable" list by the time I'm ready to send it in for the countdown. :)

[rauldc14]

I'm not sure yet.

[Hey Fredrick]

I'd like to see what's nominated first. I have quite a list of Westerns I'd like to get through and would rather watch a few first timers right now rather than do re-watches.

[ahwell]

Ok, well I might wait a couple more days and then do an early reveal so people can decide.

[edarsenal]

An early reveal would be ideal to help others decide on whether or not they wish to join in.

[Citizen Rules]

Ok, well I might wait a couple more days and then do an early reveal so people can decide.Good idea, and in that case I'll send my nom in right now.

[ahwell]

All right, Keyser Corleone joined, so what the heck, I'll just post the noms right now and see what people think.
So an "unofficial" reveal:
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell
The Cowboys - edarsenal
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - Wyldsyde19
The Ox-Bow Incident - Citizen Rules
Rio Bravo - Keyser Corleone

I'd be willing to change my nom (which I know is very well known) to something more obscure if some people joined because of it... actually then it would go to Keyser Corleone since that was his first choice, and Rio Bravo would be out. Both very well known films anyways, and I know most people said they would join for something a little less well known.

So, this HoF hasn't officially started yet, so no deadlines. I'll still wait a couple more days for people to look at the noms and see if they want to join.

[Citizen Rules]

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell
The Cowboys - edarsenal
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - Wyldsyde19
The Ox-Bow Incident - Citizen Rules
Rio Bravo - Keyser Corleone

Excellent choices! I've seen them all...BUT...not for a very long time, so I really need to watch them again to decide if they will make my Western Countdown list or not. I'm happy about those noms:)

[Wyldesyde19]

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell
The Cowboys - edarsenal
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - Wyldsyde19
The Ox-Bow Incident - Citizen Rules
Rio Bravo - Keyser Corleone

Excellent choices! I've seen them all...BUT...not for a very long time, so I really need to watch them again to decide if they will make my Western Countdown list or not. I'm happy about those noms:)
Nice selection! The Cowboys is a John Wayne film, right? Haven’t seen that yet, and haven’t seen Rio Bravo but I have seen it’s remake, El Dorado.
The Ox Bow incident I last watched about a decade ago so it’s definitely up for a rewatch.

[Citizen Rules]

Nice selection! The Cowboys is a John Wayne film, right? Haven’t seen that yet, and haven’t seen Rio Bravo but I have seen it’s remake, El Dorado.
The Ox Bow incident I last watched about a decade ago so it’s definitely up for a rewatch.Yup the Duke is the star of The Cowboys.

I've seen El Dorado it's a pretty good film too and is the second of three Howard Hawks films with John Wayne that all have very similar stories. The third is Rio Lobo (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066301) (1970), which I thought was average. Rio Bravo is my favorite of the three...I'm a big fan of Dean Martin, so that's a plus too:p

[Wyldesyde19]

Yeah, I’ve read about them all being the same story with John Wayne and all 3 three directed by Howard Hawks.
Which lead to a humorous exchange between them when Hawks approached him to star in Rio Lobo.
when Hawks called Wayne and offered to send over the script, Wayne replied, "Why bother? I've already made the movie twice."

[Citizen Rules]

Yeah, I’ve read about them all being the same story with John Wayne and all 3 three directed by Howard Hawks.
Which lead to a humorous exchange between them when Hawks approached him to star in Rio Lobo.
when Hawks called Wayne and offered to send over the script, Wayne replied, "Why bother? I've already made the movie twice."Ha!

[edarsenal]

A VERY solid list!!

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell Been a couple of decades since I've watched this and was tempted to nominate a Korean "tip of the hat" entitled "The Good, The Bad, The Weird (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0901487/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)"
The Cowboys - edarsenal My nom and a favorite of mine of John Wayne. I also nominated it due to very little conversation is brought up regarding it, so I'll be curious to see everyone feels about it.
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - Wyldsyde19 One of the Must See Westerns that I don't believe I've ever seen in it's entirety, so happy to see this.
The Ox-Bow Incident - Citizen Rules Watched this a year or so ago and I do believe it may have been CR who recommended it. I DO remember some talk about it in one of the HoFs (unsure which) and glad to have a rewatch.
Rio Bravo - Keyser Corleone I can't remember if I've seen this and if so, I'm sure it is a VERY overdue rewatch.

[Wyldesyde19]

A VERY solid list!!

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell Been a couple of decades since I've watched this and was tempted to nominate a Korean "tip of the hat" entitled "The Good, The Bad, The Weird (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0901487/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)"
The Cowboys - edarsenal My nom and a favorite of mine of John Wayne. I also nominated it due to very little conversation is brought up regarding it, so I'll be curious to see everyone feels about it.
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - Wyldsyde19 One of the Must See Westerns that I don't believe I've ever seen in it's entirety, so happy to see this.
The Ox-Bow Incident - Citizen Rules Watched this a year or so ago and I do believe it may have been CR who recommended it. I DO remember some talk about it in one of the HoFs (unsure which) and glad to have a rewatch.
Rio Bravo - Keyser Corleone I can't remember if I've seen this and if so, I'm sure it is a VERY overdue rewatch.
It is indeed a very strong lineup.
It was a toss up for me between Liberty Valance, Unforgiven and Stagecoach (original 1939 version)
I had figured The Searchers and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid were likely to be nominated so backed off.

[Citizen Rules]

The Ox-Bow Incident - Citizen Rules Watched this a year or so ago and I do believe it may have been CR who recommended it. I DO remember some talk about it in one of the HoFs (unsure which) and glad to have a rewatch. Gee I don't remember if it was me, it could've been. I swear I forget more than I know...like when I watched The Ox-Bow Incident last week, I thought I knew the movie but I hardly remember a thing.

It is indeed a very strong lineup.
It was a toss up for me between Liberty Valance, Unforgiven and Stagecoach (original 1939 version)
I had figured The Searchers and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid were likely to be nominated so backed off.I'm planning on watching Unforgiven after having seen Pale Rider last night. Need to rewatch The Searchers.

[edarsenal]

It is indeed a very strong lineup.
It was a toss up for me between Liberty Valance, Unforgiven and Stagecoach (original 1939 version)
I had figured The Searchers and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid were likely to be nominated so backed off.

Quite the three to choose from. Glad you went with Liberty since it was one I needed to see.
Which, like others, I'm looking to these Western HoFs to widen my views to ones I might get a chance to watch.
The reason being, even though I could easily write up a List, I want to take the opportunity to see films I should and haven't' seen yet in this wonderful genre.

[edarsenal]

Gee I don't remember if it was me, it could've been. I swear I forget more than I know...like when I watched The Ox-Bow Incident last week, I thought I knew the movie but I hardly remember a thing.
I vaguely remember a conversation with Camo about Westerns and along with watching Yellow Sky (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040978/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) that was in his original three considerations, Ox-Bow was brought up with a unanimous appreciation of it. To the point of me checking it out and agreeing with what was said about it.
Daniel and possibly cricket may, or may not have been involved as well. Possibly sean or raul as well.

[Wyldesyde19]

It is indeed a very strong lineup.
It was a toss up for me between Liberty Valance, Unforgiven and Stagecoach (original 1939 version)
I had figured The Searchers and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid were likely to be nominated so backed off.

Quite the three to choose from. Glad you went with Liberty since it was one I needed to see.
Which, like others, I'm looking to these Western HoFs to widen my views to ones I might get a chance to watch.
The reason being, even though I could easily write up a List, I want to take the opportunity to see films I should and haven't' seen yet in this wonderful genre.
Precisely why I join these HOFs 🙂
It gives me a chance to watch films I might otherwise hadn’t considered previously, not because I don’t want to, but rather there are so many films it’s hard to keep track.

[cricket]

Haven't seen The Cowboys but I will check it out for this. I think Ox-Bow is practically a masterpiece while the other 3 have varying degrees of excellence.

[Citizen Rules]

I vaguely remember a conversation with Camo about Westerns and along with watching Yellow Sky (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040978/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) that was in his original three considerations, Ox-Bow was brought up with a unanimous appreciation of it. To the point of me checking it out and agreeing with what was said about it.
Daniel and possibly cricket may, or may not have been involved as well. Possibly sean or raul as well.I just watched Yellow Sky for the second time and was very impressed with it. I loved the set of the abandoned mining town and the water hole location where the bad men were held up...and the entire story was great.

[edarsenal]

Precisely why I join these HOFs 🙂
It gives me a chance to watch films I might otherwise hadn’t considered previously, not because I don’t want to, but rather there are so many films it’s hard to keep track.

Exactly!
It's like a Movie of the Month Club that sends you films to watch and you can't go forward unless you watch them. I have loved, hated, endured and have been enthralled so many times and continue to be.

[Miss Vicky]

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell


Oh hell no.

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966) 1.5-

I am not watching that again.

Pass.

[edarsenal]

Haven't seen The Cowboys but I will check it out for this. I think Ox-Bow is practically a masterpiece while the other 3 have varying degrees of excellence.
Love to hear what ya think, should you do.

[Citizen Rules]

I don't know if there's any fans of the original Star Trek series here, but I remember spotting a number of Star Trek guest stars on The Cowboys. Just a FYI for fun.

[Wyldesyde19]

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell


Oh hell no.

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966) 1.5-

I am not watching that again.

Pass.
Haha. It could have been worse. Someone could have nominated the Quick and the Dead 😜

[ahwell]

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell


Oh hell no.

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966) 1.5-

I am not watching that again.

Pass.
Well, like I said, I can change my nom. I have a lot of options for blind noms so if that’s the main reason you’re not joining I’m happy to change it!

[Wyldesyde19]

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell


Oh hell no.

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966) 1.5-

I am not watching that again.

Pass.
Well, like I said, I can change my nom. I have a lot of options for blind noms so if that’s the main reason you’re not joining I’m happy to change it!
Shouldn’t feel obligated to change because someone doesn’t like a film nominated, as that goes against the spirit of these doesn’t it?
It seems a little rude to come here and post about a film being nominated that you don’t like and stating you won’t join as a result, when she could have just said nothing and not joined. Which is a shame because I like reading her reviews.

[Miss Vicky]

Well, like I said, I can change my nom. I have a lot of options for blind noms so if that’s the main reason you’re not joining I’m happy to change it!

It was Keyser’s first choice though, so it would only be fair for him to get it if you change yours.

I also have zero desire to watch anything starring John Wayne.

[gbgoodies]

what the heck, I'll just post the noms right now and see what people think.
So an "unofficial" reveal:

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell
The Cowboys - edarsenal
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - Wyldsyde19
The Ox-Bow Incident - Citizen Rules
Rio Bravo - Keyser Corleone



I watched three of these movies within the last few weeks, and I liked all three of them. One of them is pretty much a lock to make my list, and the other two are strong contenders. The three movies are The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The Ox-Bow Incident, and Rio Bravo, but I won't say which is the lock to make my list.

I've seen The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly twice, and I didn't like it either time. I don't have any desire to watch it again.

ahwell didn't list the years for these movies, so when I saw the movie The Cowboys listed in this reveal, my first thought was that it was the 1958 movie Cowboy starring Glenn Ford and Jack Lemmon, which was only okay. But when I Googled the movie to check if that was the movie, I found out it's a different movie. I haven't seen the 1972 movie The Cowboys, but it sounds interesting, so I added it to my Westerns watchlist.

[Miss Vicky]

It seems a little rude to come here and post about a film being nominated that you don’t like and stating you won’t join as a result

It’s not the only reason why I’m not joining. In any case, “Oh hell no” is far less rude than what I would have said if I had joined and actually reviewed it.

[Wyldesyde19]

It seems a little rude to come here and post about a film being nominated that you don’t like and stating you won’t join as a result

It’s not the only reason why I’m not joining. In any case, “Oh hell no” is far less rude than what I would have said if I had joined and actually reviewed it.
This I don’t doubt.

[Citizen Rules]

I think we have five awesome films...and I just requested 4 of them from my library and had to 'find' the other one. So I'm rearin' to go, yahoo!

[Wyldesyde19]

I think we have five awesome films...and I just requested 4 of them from my library and had to 'find' the other one. So I'm rearin' to go, yahoo!
I’m lucky that I own 2 of them.
I can check for the others later and the local rents and library, but first need to finish the comedy HOF.
Hopefully a few others who were on the fence will join and we can have a decent amount.
As it is, this is a pretty strong list.

[gbgoodies]

I don't know if there's any fans of the original Star Trek series here, but I remember spotting a number of Star Trek guest stars on The Cowboys. Just a FYI for fun.


I haven't seen The Cowboys yet, but I know that De Kelley was in a bunch of westerns. I recently saw him in a minor role in the movie Warlock (1959). It was a good movie starring Richard Widmark, Henry Fonda, and Anthony Quinn, and IMO it's worth watching.

[gbgoodies]

Haha. It could have been worse. Someone could have nominated the Quick and the Dead 😜


I liked The Quick and the Dead (1995). :)

[gbgoodies]

I think we have five awesome films...and I just requested 4 of them from my library and had to 'find' the other one. So I'm rearin' to go, yahoo!

I’m lucky that I own 2 of them.
I can check for the others later and the local rents and library, but first need to finish the comedy HOF.
Hopefully a few others who were on the fence will join and we can have a decent amount.
As it is, this is a pretty strong list.


I think this is the problem for me. I agree that this is a strong list with some great films, but most of them are movies that are so well known that most people would have known to watch them before turning in their list for the Westerns Countdown.

I was hoping for some lesser known "hidden gem" movies that I wouldn't have thought to watch if they hadn't been nominated. :shrug:

[Wyldesyde19]

Haha. It could have been worse. Someone could have nominated the Quick and the Dead 😜


I liked The Quick and the Dead (1995). :)

Well, I’ll forgive you for that one 😉
Just this once.
That aside, it’s a shame you aren’t joining us for this! 🙂

[gbgoodies]

Well, I’ll forgive you for that one 😉
Just this once.
That aside, it’s a shame you aren’t joining us for this! 🙂


I might have joined if there were some lesser known movies nominated, but aside from one movie, these are all movies that I've already seen at least twice.

I just checked my list, and I've watched 37 western movies since the countdown was announced. I still have to finish the Comedy HoF, so this may be a good time for me to take a break from westerns for a while anyway.

[Wyldesyde19]

I think we have five awesome films...and I just requested 4 of them from my library and had to 'find' the other one. So I'm rearin' to go, yahoo!

I’m lucky that I own 2 of them.
I can check for the others later and the local rents and library, but first need to finish the comedy HOF.
Hopefully a few others who were on the fence will join and we can have a decent amount.
As it is, this is a pretty strong list.


I think this is the problem for me. I agree that this is a strong list with some great films, but most of them are movies that are so well known that most people would have known to watch them before turning in their list for the Westerns Countdown.

I was hoping for some lesser known "hidden gem" movies that I wouldn't have thought to watch if they hadn't been nominated. :shrug:
Posted as I was haha. Serves me right.
I understand, which was why I went with Liberty Valance as I felt there weren’t many who have seen it.
The Cowboys and Rio Bravo are 2 I haven’t seen yet so it works out for me (and I’m not terribly familiar with The Cowboys, only a review I read from Ebert years ago)
In the case of Rio Bravo, I’ve seen it’s first remake El Dorado, so I’m familiar with the story.
I’m not terribly familiar with many of the obscure westerns before the 1970’s, so I was limited in my knowledge of them, which was a reason why I joined to begin with.
There were 3 I considered that are available on Amazon prime I have saved I could have nominated, such as The Big Country, Little Big Man and Buffalo Bill and the Indians but I don’t like to nominate anything I haven’t seen yet.
Perhaps that was my mistake

[gbgoodies]

Posted as I was haha. Serves me right.
I understand, which was why I went with Liberty Valance as I felt there weren’t many who have seen it.
The Cowboys and Rio Bravo are 2 I haven’t seen yet so it works out for me (and I’m not terribly familiar with The Cowboys, only a review I read from Ebert years ago)
In the case of Rio Bravo, I’ve seen it’s first remake El Dorado, so I’m familiar with the story.
I’m not terribly familiar with many of the obscure westerns before the 1970’s, so I was limited in my knowledge of them, which was a reason why I joined to begin with.
There were 3 I considered that are available on Amazon prime I have saved I could have nominated, such as The Big Country, Little Big Man and Buffalo Bill and the Indians but I don’t like to nominate anything I haven’t seen yet.
Perhaps that was my mistake


With the exception of The Cowboys, the movies nominated are all well-known, top-rated movies that are on many top westerns lists. I'd be surprised if most people don't watch them for the countdown without them being nominated in this HoF.

If I had joined, I probably would have nominated either A Big Hand for the Little Lady (1966) or The Electric Horseman (1979). Those are both movies that I think are worth watching for the countdown, but they're likely to be overlooked by most people.

[Wyldesyde19]

Posted as I was haha. Serves me right.
I understand, which was why I went with Liberty Valance as I felt there weren’t many who have seen it.
The Cowboys and Rio Bravo are 2 I haven’t seen yet so it works out for me (and I’m not terribly familiar with The Cowboys, only a review I read from Ebert years ago)
In the case of Rio Bravo, I’ve seen it’s first remake El Dorado, so I’m familiar with the story.
I’m not terribly familiar with many of the obscure westerns before the 1970’s, so I was limited in my knowledge of them, which was a reason why I joined to begin with.
There were 3 I considered that are available on Amazon prime I have saved I could have nominated, such as The Big Country, Little Big Man and Buffalo Bill and the Indians but I don’t like to nominate anything I haven’t seen yet.
Perhaps that was my mistake


With the exception of The Cowboys, the movies nominated are all well-known, top-rated movies that are on many top westerns lists. I'd be surprised if most people don't watch them for the countdown without them being nominated in this HoF.

If I had joined, I probably would have nominated either A Big Hand for the Little Lady (1966) or The Electric Horseman (1979). Those are both movies that I think are worth watching for the countdown, but they're likely to be overlooked by most people.
This is true, they are pretty well known.
Of The 3 I mentioned that I have saved on Amazon, which have you seen and which would you recommend first?

[gbgoodies]

Posted as I was haha. Serves me right.
I understand, which was why I went with Liberty Valance as I felt there weren’t many who have seen it.
The Cowboys and Rio Bravo are 2 I haven’t seen yet so it works out for me (and I’m not terribly familiar with The Cowboys, only a review I read from Ebert years ago)
In the case of Rio Bravo, I’ve seen it’s first remake El Dorado, so I’m familiar with the story.
I’m not terribly familiar with many of the obscure westerns before the 1970’s, so I was limited in my knowledge of them, which was a reason why I joined to begin with.
There were 3 I considered that are available on Amazon prime I have saved I could have nominated, such as The Big Country, Little Big Man and Buffalo Bill and the Indians but I don’t like to nominate anything I haven’t seen yet.
Perhaps that was my mistake

This is true, they are pretty well known.
Of The 3 I mentioned that I have saved on Amazon, which have you seen and which would you recommend first?


I saw The Big Country a few years ago, and as I recall, it was a good movie. It's on my watchlist to rewatch it for the countdown.

I haven't seen Little Big Man, but I've heard that it's a very good movie. I'm kind of hit or miss with Dustin Hoffman movies, so I'm not sure if I'll like this movie or not.

I haven't heard of Buffalo Bill and the Indians, but I just read a little about it and it sounds like a good movie. The only thing I know about Buffalo Bill is what I've seen about him in the movie Annie Get Your Gun (1950), so it should be interesting to watch a different movie about him.

[Wyldesyde19]

Posted as I was haha. Serves me right.
I understand, which was why I went with Liberty Valance as I felt there weren’t many who have seen it.
The Cowboys and Rio Bravo are 2 I haven’t seen yet so it works out for me (and I’m not terribly familiar with The Cowboys, only a review I read from Ebert years ago)
In the case of Rio Bravo, I’ve seen it’s first remake El Dorado, so I’m familiar with the story.
I’m not terribly familiar with many of the obscure westerns before the 1970’s, so I was limited in my knowledge of them, which was a reason why I joined to begin with.
There were 3 I considered that are available on Amazon prime I have saved I could have nominated, such as The Big Country, Little Big Man and Buffalo Bill and the Indians but I don’t like to nominate anything I haven’t seen yet.
Perhaps that was my mistake

This is true, they are pretty well known.
Of The 3 I mentioned that I have saved on Amazon, which have you seen and which would you recommend first?


I saw The Big Country a few years ago, and as I recall, it was a good movie. It's on my watchlist to rewatch it for the countdown.

I haven't seen Little Big Man, but I've heard that it's a very good movie. I'm kind of hit or miss with Dustin Hoffman movies, so I'm not sure if I'll like this movie or not.

I haven't heard of Buffalo Bill and the Indians, but I just read a little about it and it sounds like a good movie. The only thing I know about Buffalo Bill is what I've seen about him in the movie Annie Get Your Gun (1950), so it should be interesting to watch a different movie about him.
Plus, Buffalo Bill was directed by Robert Altman, who was always a good director.
I would have nominated it had I watched it
Or the other 2. Maybe next time...

[gbgoodies]

Plus, Buffalo Bill was directed by Robert Altman, who was always a good director.
I would have nominated it had I watched it
Or the other 2. Maybe next time...


I'm not really a fan of Robert Altman's movies, but I'll still give it a chance.

[cricket]

The Cowboys is on Dailymotion

[gbgoodies]

The Cowboys is on Dailymotion


Thank you. :)

[Citizen Rules]

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2052670#post2052670)
I think we have five awesome films


Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2052672#post2052672)
this is a pretty strong list.

I think this is the problem for me. I agree that this is a strong list with some great films, but most of them are movies that are so well known that most people would have known to watch them before turning in their list for the Westerns Countdown.

I was hoping for some lesser known "hidden gem" movies that I wouldn't have thought to watch if they hadn't been nominated. :shrug:If wishes were horses, you'd have a herd:lol:

[CosmicRunaway]

was tempted to nominate a Korean "tip of the hat" entitled "The Good, The Bad, The Weird (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0901487/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)"
I remember coming across the DVD for that at HMV years ago, and considered blind buying it since it looked like one of those "so bad it's good" type films. Since you considered nominating it, does that mean it's legitimately a decent movie?

[Captain Spaulding]

Thanks for the invite, but you'll have to add me to the "wait and see" club. I've been watching a lot of westerns over the past couple of weeks, and I think I'm starting to realize that I'm not much of a westerns fan, and I think I hate the spaghetti westerns.

Out of curiosity, which spaghetti westerns have you watched so far?

I don't normally join these, but I'd totally be down for a Spaghetti Western HOF.

As for this particular set of nominations, Rio Bravo, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The Ox-Bow Incident, and The Good, The Bad and the Ugly are already locks to place high on the countdown. (I assume the latter will place #1 on the countdown, although I'll be rooting for Leone's Once Upon a Time in the West.) It's great to see The Cowboys nominated, however, as that film could definitely use more exposure. I think it's one of John Wayne's strongest films. Here's my write-up from a few years ago:

The Cowboys
(Mark Rydell, 1972)

4

Always considered a great movie star but not necessarily a great actor, I've been very impressed with some of Wayne's later performances. Unlike modern aging icons like DeNiro and Pacino, who did their best work early in their careers but are now stuck on autopilot, The Duke seemed to discover a new reservoir of talent during the twilight of his career. He never ceased to be a tough son of a bitch, but there's a vulnerability in some of these later performances, most likely birthed from the knowledge of his own mortality, that makes these later roles feel more human than the invincible heroes he traditionally played.

The Shootist was a perfect swan song, but The Cowboys would've been equally fitting. It's easy to view this film, where Wayne reluctantly takes a group of schoolboys on a grueling cattle drive, as Wayne passing on his legacy to a younger generation. The Cowboys is an antithesis to the revisionist westerns that were popular at the time. It celebrates the western myth and the old way of life. The script is full of the tough, terse, straight-shooting dialogue that I enjoy so much in westerns. The story is compelling. The film is full of excitement and adventure with a little humor sprinkled in along the way. The stunning cinematography captures the exquisite beauty of the wide-open landscapes.

I remember reading an interview with Bruce Dern where he said that his villainous turn in The Cowboys nearly ruined his career. Even though that interview spoiled a key moment in the film, that scene remained just as shocking to me when I watched it unfold. After that climactic scene, things are subdued and a bit too rushed. Dern is excellent, though. He's not a villain who intimidates you with his strength or prowess, but through the blackness of his soul -- the type of man who will stoop to any depths to achieve what he wants. Roscoe Lee Brown also gives a very good performance in a supporting role as the mirthful cook.

The Cowboys is a terrific film. Even people who aren't typically fans of the genre should be able to enjoy this one.

[Captain Spaulding]

I remember coming across the DVD for that at HMV years ago, and considered blind buying it since it looked like one of those "so bad it's good" type films. Since you considered nominating it, does that mean it's legitimately a decent movie?

It's more than decent -- it's great. And it's not just me who thinks that. The film was really well received with both critics and audiences.

[cricket]

It's more than decent -- it's great. And it's not just me who thinks that. The film was really well received with both critics and audiences.

I guess I'll have to add that one to my list.

[ahwell]

Ok, we’ve got two excellent new nominations:
The Salvation - Siddon
The Shooting - Hey Frederick

These are two relatively obscure ones, so maybe people will join now? If not, I’m good with 7 and I’ll have noms posted officially in a day or two.

[cricket]

Ok, we’ve got two excellent new nominations:
The Salvation - Siddon
The Shooting - Hey Frederick

These are two relatively obscure ones, so maybe people will join now? If not, I’m good with 7 and I’ll have noms posted officially in a day or two.

I know of The Salvation and will watch it. I quite liked The Shooting.

[ahwell]

Ok, we’ve got two excellent new nominations:
The Salvation - Siddon
The Shooting - Hey Frederick

These are two relatively obscure ones, so maybe people will join now? If not, I’m good with 7 and I’ll have noms posted officially in a day or two.

I know of The Salvation and will watch it. I quite liked The Shooting.
Care to nominate something ;)

[KeyserCorleone]

The Shooting's only 80 minutes long and The Salvation is 90 minutes long, so they should be easy to get through and make up for the length of any three hour movies nominated. Of course, three hour movies can sometimes be the best, like La Dolce Vita or my obvious favorite.

Shame most long movies don't make HoF's. We could end up having Satantango inducted sometime, but I doubt a slow cinema HoF's gonna happen for a while.

[cricket]

Care to nominate something ;)

Nah but thanks

[Citizen Rules]

Ok, we’ve got two excellent new nominations:
The Salvation - Siddon
The Shooting - Hey Frederick

These are two relatively obscure ones, so maybe people will join now? If not, I’m good with 7 and I’ll have noms posted officially in a day or two.Is the HoF officially started now? Can we start watching the noms?

[ahwell]

Ok, we’ve got two excellent new nominations:
The Salvation - Siddon
The Shooting - Hey Frederick

These are two relatively obscure ones, so maybe people will join now? If not, I’m good with 7 and I’ll have noms posted officially in a day or two.Is the HoF officially started now? Can we start watching the noms?
Yeah, start watching any time. When I have more time I’ll post a condensed list with pictures in the first post.

[cricket]

The Cowboys

4-

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JOARPYLOujQ/maxresdefault.jpg

Ok so I had heard of this movie but didn't know what it was about until I looked it up after it was nominated. I wasn't very hopeful after seeing it starred and was about a bunch of kids. Of course I normally prefer movies with a little more edge to them. Needless to say it was a big surprise how much I liked it, even though much of it felt like a family film. I will just say it's a very touching and entertaining movie. John Wayne was great, but Roscoe Lee Browne was every bit his equal, and everyone else was good too. My contenders list for the countdown is stacked, but this one is getting tossed into the pile. Glad this was nominated as I never would have watched it on my own.

[Hey Fredrick]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bfi.org.uk%2Fsites%2Fbfi.org.uk%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Ffull%2Fpublic%2Fimage%2Fshoot ing-the-1966-001-jack-nicholson.jpg%3Fitok%3DJSh_HLzJ&f=1&nofb=1
The Shooting (1966)

I saw this for the first time earlier this year and watched it again last week. I'm not going to say much about it because I think it's one of those movies that's best if you go into it kind of blind. What I will say is it's not a shoot 'em up reeaal gooood kind of western. Everyone does a really nice job as far as acting but I really liked Warren Oates. He is probably best known as Sgt. Hulka, the Big Toe, in Stripes and this is the only other movie I've ever seen him in (I think) and he's great. Got a feeling this may be a love it/hate it movie and if you hate it, well, it's only an hour and twenty minutes.

[edarsenal]

I remember coming across the DVD for that at HMV years ago, and considered blind buying it since it looked like one of those "so bad it's good" type films. Since you considered nominating it, does that mean it's legitimately a decent movie?

Actually, it is a very good film. Seen it a number of times. You may actually get a kick out of it as well.

Let me know if you check it out and what you think if you do

[edarsenal]

With the exception of The Cowboys, the movies nominated are all well-known, top-rated movies that are on many top westerns lists. I'd be surprised if most people don't watch them for the countdown without them being nominated in this HoF.

If I had joined, I probably would have nominated either A Big Hand for the Little Lady (1966) or The Electric Horseman (1979). Those are both movies that I think are worth watching for the countdown, but they're likely to be overlooked by most people.
Exactly why I nominated it. To get some attention, and hopefully, some love for it.

Love Big Hand/Little Lady. Especially the finale.

[Zotis]

https://www.limitedruns.com/media/cache/bf/80/bf8005fd8c67d6bad5fde406c1749761.jpg

Soldier Blue (1970)

I really liked this movie because it was such a stark contrast from how the soldiers in blue were typically portrayed, and for the time I thought the acting was much more realistic and less melodramatic. Now, don't get me wrong, there was melodrama, but the melodrama was realistic melodrama not stylised like the way almost every John Wayne line sounds over the top in many of his films. Some people said they didn't like it because the male protagonist is too whiny, but I think they did a good job of criticising his naivete and showing what it takes to break a strong delusion.

[gbgoodies]

Out of curiosity, which spaghetti westerns have you watched so far?

I'm not 100% sure of the definition of spaghetti westerns, (which is why I said I think I hate spaghetti westerns), but these are the movies that I've seen that I think are spaghetti westerns:

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)
For a Few Dollars More (1965)
The Wild Bunch (1969)
Duck, You Sucker (1971)
A Fistful of Dollars (1964)
The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)
Pale Rider (1985)

The last two (The Outlaw Josey Wales and Pale Rider) were probably the best of these movies, but they're still not my type of movies.

[pahaK]

I'm not 100% sure of the definition of spaghetti westerns, (which is why I said I think I hate spaghetti westerns), but these are the movies that I've seen that I think are spaghetti westerns:

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)
For a Few Dollars More (1965)
The Wild Bunch (1969)
Duck, You Sucker (1971)
A Fistful of Dollars (1964)
The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)
Pale Rider (1985)

The last two (The Outlaw Josey Wales and Pale Rider) were probably the best of these movies, but they're still not my type of movies.

Spaghetti western just refers to Italian western movies. So The Wild Bunch, Josey Wales and Pale Rider aren't spaghetti.

[gbgoodies]

Spaghetti western just refers to Italian western movies. So The Wild Bunch, Josey Wales and Pale Rider aren't spaghetti.


Thanks for the info. Is that why it felt like the sound was out-of-sync from the video by just a little bit in some of these movies? At times, it felt like I was watching the martial arts movies where the English is dubbed.

[Wyldesyde19]

https://www.limitedruns.com/media/cache/bf/80/bf8005fd8c67d6bad5fde406c1749761.jpg

Soldier Blue (1970)

I really liked this movie because it was such a stark contrast from how the soldiers in blue were typically portrayed, and for the time I thought the acting was much more realistic and less melodramatic. Now, don't get me wrong, there was melodrama, but the melodrama was realistic melodrama not stylised like the way almost every John Wayne line sounds over the top in many of his films. Some people said they didn't like it because the male protagonist is too whiny, but I think they did a good job of criticising his naivete and showing what it takes to break a strong delusion.
Did I miss this being nominated?
Either way, I’ve heard of this film and was curious about it. Going to start tonight on this HOF and fit it in between my comedy HOF viewings this week

[Zotis]

Oops, I got the thread mixed up. I meant to post Soldier Blue in the Western Countdown thread.

[Wyldesyde19]

Oops, I got the thread mixed up. I meant to post Soldier Blue in the Western Countdown thread.
Don’t be. I would have forgotten about this film if you hadn’t reviewed it. I’m going to have to search for it sometime down the line now

[Zotis]

Don’t be.

Never said I was sorry. ;)

Hope you enjoy the movie.

[Zotis]

I'm tempted to enter, but I can never finish these.

[Citizen Rules]

Seeing how we're talking about Solider Blue. I reviewed it awhile ago and here's what I wrote.

Spoiler free, so safe to read if you haven't seen the movie.

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Soldier Blue (1970)

Director: Ralph Nelson
Cast: Candice Bergen, Peter Strauss, Donald Pleasence
Genre: Exploitative History, Western

Synopsis: A U.S. Cavalry regiment is massacred by the Cheyenne Indians. There are only two survivors: a naive young solider (Peter Strauss) who's ill equipped to deal with the situation...and a savvy tough talking, young woman(Candice Bergen) who'd lived with the Cheyennes and is sympathetic to their plight.

Review: I knew when the prologue words came on the screen sounding like a protest rally, that this film would be different. Sadly what should have been a thought provoking statement on the massacre of innocent Cheyennes is turned into a campy exploitative film.

Candice Bergen's acting is so bad at times that it made the film painful to watch. Peter Strauss isn't winning any acting awards either for this and they're the main focus of the film. We don't ever get to know the Cheyenne as people, we just see them killing and then being killed. For a film that purports to further the Native American plight, the Indians in the film are treated as exploitative material.

Candice's character is political correct, she can swear and belch like any man, but mostly she grates on the nerves with her squeaking angry rants. Peter Strauss plays it so naive and green that he's afraid to kiss Candice, can't say I blame him. His character is done up for a comedy but there's nothing funny about this film.

Worse of all is the preachy feel of the movie that is as subtle as a sledge hammer, topped only by unnecessary gore done in an over the top fashion that makes this film almost camp. Almost is the key word because while camp can be entertaining, seeing a close up of a child's head being decapitated really isn't.

The massacres of Native American people during the 1800s by the U.S. army is a poignant and sadly true story. Maybe this film had good intentions but it's the most poorly delivered message I've seen. The story of the Sand Creek massacre deserved a more dignified film than this.



Recommend films dealing with massacres of Native Americans
Cheyenne Autumn (1964)
Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee (2007)

[Citizen Rules]

Thanks for the info. Is that why it felt like the sound was out-of-sync from the video by just a little bit in some of these movies? At times, it felt like I was watching the martial arts movies where the English is dubbed.I believe most spaghetti westerns are filmed in Spanish or Italian language and then dubbed into English. Which does make some of the characters seem odd as the voice coming out of them isn't their own.

[Captain Spaulding]

I guess I'll have to add that one to my list.

The Good, the Bad, the Weird might be a tad too whacky for you to love, but I'm sure you'll be entertained. It's from the same dude who directed I Saw the Devil, which we both love.

[Zotis]

I believe most spaghetti westerns are filmed in Spanish or Italian language and then dubbed into English. Which does make some of the characters seem odd as the voice coming out of them isn't their own.

Actually Italians movie back then even dubbed the original language. It's typical for the sound to be slightly off in the original.

[Zotis]

Citizen, I really do find your criticism of Soldier Blue intolerable, biased, and unfair. I would be fine with it if you just had higher standards, but those were more sentiment than actual criticism. The way you describe it makes it sound like The Wizard of Gore. Your criticisms of the characters I think demonstrate a dislike for the characters, but not an assesment of their portrayal and execution. I would call the movie a little campy by todays standards, but not for the era, much less the genre. I think it's a case of not liking the movie and just criticising all the things you didn't like.

I was actually kind of annoyed at first, but took some time to think about it more and cool off. I could dissect your post in detail and it could be an interesting debate, but I don't think this is really the time or place.

[cricket]

I think Soldier Blue is a trashy movie yet it is on my list of contenders. It just had a big impact on me.

[ahwell]

By the way, official deadline is:
Monday, February 3, 2020.

Hopefully we can finish a little before then so we can squeeze in another.

[Wyldesyde19]

Citizen, I really do find your criticism of Soldier Blue intolerable, biased, and unfair. I would be fine with it if you just had higher standards, but those were more sentiment than actual criticism. The way you describe it makes it sound like The Wizard of Gore. Your criticisms of the characters I think demonstrate a dislike for the characters, but not an assesment of their portrayal and execution. I would call the movie a little campy by todays standards, but not for the era, much less the genre. I think it's a case of not liking the movie and just criticising all the things you didn't like.

I was actually kind of annoyed at first, but took some time to think about it more and cool off. I could dissect your post in detail and it could be an interesting debate, but I don't think this is really the time or place.

If a person doesn’t like your film, never take it personal. Also, I’m not a fan of of calling out a person for how they review. It’s their business how they decide to critique a film, and whether You disagree or not isn’t going to suddenly change their mind on a film.

[Citizen Rules]

Citizen, I really do find your criticism of Soldier Blue intolerable, biased, and unfair. I would be fine with it if you just had higher standards, but those were more sentiment than actual criticism. The way you describe it makes it sound like The Wizard of Gore. Your criticisms of the characters I think demonstrate a dislike for the characters, but not an assesment of their portrayal and execution. I would call the movie a little campy by todays standards, but not for the era, much less the genre. I think it's a case of not liking the movie and just criticising all the things you didn't like.

I was actually kind of annoyed at first, but took some time to think about it more and cool off. I could dissect your post in detail and it could be an interesting debate, but I don't think this is really the time or place. If you officially join this HoF, I'd be happy to rewatch Solider Blue and give it another chance.

[cricket]

The Salvation

2.5

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I was well aware of this movie but there's a reason I didn't have it on my watchlist. I didn't think it would be that good. It's definitely my type, bleak and brutal, so I did enjoy it. I just think it's average at best. It's too bad because I thought it started out strong. Many will praise the cinematography, but it's not a look that I especially like. Mads Mikkelsen was great in The Hunt, but I think he lacks charisma and has a weird look about him that strikes me cold. He's probably great as the serial killer in Hannibal. Some will like it, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't finish last in this HoF. It may make the countdown because of Mads and the fact that it's recent, but if I'm being honest, I don't think it deserves to.

[Zotis]

If you officially join this HoF, I'd be happy to rewatch Solider Blue and give it another chance.

Oh gosh, ya know what I probably should, but I just don't know...

It's a great idea, and I should re-watch it too. Heaven forbid I should actually come around a little more to your side and realise it's not as great as I thought.

Nominations are supposed to be anonymous though, so will you rewatch it even if I don't nominate it?

There is at least one other movie I'm thinking of nominating, but I can rewatch that regardless.

I can't think of 25 Westerns I would nominate for the upcoming list so I do need to watch more Westerns. I've been thinking a lot about my participation in the MoFo lists and HoF's and my overall pressence on movieforums.com. It is probably the forum I've dedicated the most time to and stuck with for all these years.

Alright, ya know what, I shall. I actually want to be a MoFo, not just someone who grazes the forums when I feel like it.

So, count me in.

[Citizen Rules]

Oh gosh, ya know what I probably should, but I just don't know...

It's a great idea, and I should re-watch it too. Heaven forbid I should actually come around a little more to your side and realise it's not as great as I thought.

Nominations are supposed to be anonymous though, so will you rewatch it even if I don't nominate it?

There is at least one other movie I'm thinking of nominating, but I can rewatch that regardless.

I can't think of 25 Westerns I would nominate for the upcoming list so I do need to watch more Westerns. I've been thinking a lot about my participation in the MoFo lists and HoF's and my overall pressence on movieforums.com. It is probably the forum I've dedicated the most time to and stuck with for all these years.

Alright, ya know what, I shall. I actually want to be a MoFo, not just someone who grazes the forums when I feel like it.

So, count me in.Yes if Soldier Blue was your movie nomination I would happily rewatch it, as I haven't seen it in several years. Or you could probably nominated any western you want, that's the fun part about HoFs, we get to watch a wide variety of films and then people watch our choice too.

[ahwell]

Ok, Zotis is in.
Updated list of noms:
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell
The Cowboys - edarsenal
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - Wyldsyde 19
The Ox-Bow Incident - Citizen Rules
Rio Bravo - Keyser Corleone
The Salvation - Siddon
The Shooting - Hey Frederick
The Great Silence - Zotis

Sorry for procrastinating and not putting these on the first post, I’ll really try soon but I’m still on mobile and I want to do it on a computer.

[ahwell]

The Ox-Bow Incident

Literally every single person I'm following on Letterboxd gave this a 3.5/5... I guess I'll break the trend and bump it down just 1/2 star. It was clearly a solid film, and will probably make my list for the Westerns Countdown, but I couldn't help getting a bit bored by the end. I liked Henry Fonda, but no one else really, and I wish the characters were a bit more fleshed out. I would have preferred this at maybe thirty minutes longer so we could have more time to get to know the characters. It feels very rushed as it is.

Still very entertaining and thought-provoking.

3

[cricket]

Ok, Zotis is in.
Updated list of noms:
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - ahwell
The Cowboys - edardenal
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - Wyldsyde 19
The Ox-Bow Incident - Citizen Rules
Rio Bravo - Keyser Corleone
The Salvation - Siddon
The Shooting - Hey Frederick
The Great Silence - Zotis

Sorry for procrastinating and not putting these on the first post, I’ll really try soon but I’m still on mobile and I want to do it on a computer.

Another good one that's already a strong contender for my list.

[Citizen Rules]

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The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)

This is a good example of a movie I needed to rewatch! Yes, I'd seen it before and liked it, but I didn't remember a damn thing about it. It's interesting that this movie comes at the end of director John Ford's brilliant career and it marks the end of an era in westerns. With the coming of Clint Eastwood and the much more action packed, violent spaghetti westerns that would dominate the 1960s, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance hearkens back to the heyday of westerns. And yet it's modern in that it revolves around the changing events of a fictional western town through time, much like America had changed during the 20th century. We see the western frontier town go from the wild west days when a bad man like Liberty Valance could rule the roast...to the later days when rule of law and societal norms had caught up to the little town of Shinbone.

Director John Ford diminishes the characters impact and makes the changing times of an American icon (IE the western town) the principal theme. Initially I was surprised that John Wayne had such little impact in the film, I mean this is not The Searchers or Rooster Cogburn. Here the Duke is just another gear in the machinery that highlights Americana, family and the old west. I guess that surprised me some as I expected with the big name actors that this would be their film...but John Ford wisely puts them into the background so that the overall themes of change can come more into focus.

Good film! and I'm glad it was nominated.

[Citizen Rules]

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The Ox-Bow Incident (1942)

The title says it all...The Ox-Box Incident...It isn't an action driven film, nor is it a character driven film. It's a study of a moment in time, a chain of events that lead to an incident. The director puts us in the shoes of the hanging posse. He did that by not giving a backstory on the characters. We don't know anymore about the accused men, than the posse knows. We don't even know much about the outsiders played by Henry Fonda and Henry Morgan, as far as we know they might end up with a rope around their necks.

The events take place in linear time. Those events mostly happen in real time as they occur...there's no flashbacks or intercut stories. The film's one focus is on an incident that happened at the Ox-Bow. I think that worked brilliantly and makes this film much different than other westerns of the 1940s.

I found the events to be very believable because the actors play it very realistically. That's import, as if suspension of disbelief doesn't come into being then a film isn't believable and then the emotional impact of what you're watching has little effect. The Ox-Bow Incident had great effect on me! And that's thanks to the streamlined script, the director and the actors. Henry Fonda is the star and does a great job but it's Dana Andrews who pulls off the near impossible of being a scared, innocent man who's about to be hung. I can't see many actors of that time being able to do what Dana Andrews did.

It's a haunting film that has stayed with me.

[rauldc14]

Ox-Box!

[Citizen Rules]

Ox-Box!How many of the noms have you seen?

[rauldc14]

3 of them

[pahaK]

I think I'll pass this. It's not that much because of any of the nominations (though there's two I'm not planning to rewatch) but I just don't want to get burned out with westerns before the countdown so I'll prefer just watching whatever I fancy instead of a premeditated list.

Short note on the nominations still.

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
The Great Silence
The two films I don't plan to rewatch as they definitely will be on my list. Leone I rewatched in January and the other maybe two or three years ago.

Rio Bravo
Just rewatched this couple of weeks ago and didn't like it.

The Cowboys
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
I honestly don't know if I've seen either of these John Waynes (if yes, then it's been from TV as a kid). Not a fan of the Duke so I'll probably steer clear from these (the latter seems little more interesting of the two).

The Ox-Bow Incident
Again I may have seen this as a kid but don't remember either way. Considering the story and it being a CR nomination I'm afraid I wouldn't like it :D

The Salvation
Weirdly I have a hunch that I've seen this but I have no recollection of the film at all so I may be wrong. As much as I liked Mads as Hannibal Lecter I usually don't like him so probably I'll pass this.

The Shooting
This looks kinda interesting and I've added it to my watchlist.

[Zotis]

The only one I've already seen is The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. I actually do want to do an in-depth analysis because I think it's an extremely overrated movie and I'd like to dissect it for criticism. A lot of people love it so it can be a touchy subject. I know what it feels like when someone bashes something you love. I have to find a way to do it as neutrally as possible because I think criticism can also be bait for vanity. I've been struggling a lot in my life over criticism, as I'm a very critical person, but I don't like having so many negative thoughts and hurting other people's feelings all the time. We'll see, I'm going to keep thinking about it.

I wanted to nominate The Great Silence over Soldier Blue because I think it's a better movie and I want to rewatch it more than Soldier Blue.

Edit: I think we should have the years beside the movie titles on the first page too, just in case any of them have another movie by the same name. I'd hate to watch one and review it just to find out it was the wrong version. I don't know if any of them actually have another version though, so maybe it doesn't matter, but just thought I'd throw that out there.

[pahaK]

I've been struggling a lot in my life over criticism, as I'm a very critical person, but I don't like having so many negative thoughts and hurting other people's feelings all the time.

Hey, you stole my line :D As a matter of fact I end up hurting myself too because my over criticism really hurts my own attempts at writing (well, that and laziness).

I wanted to nominate The Great Silence over Soldier Blue because I think it's a better movie and I want to rewatch it more than Soldier Blue.

It definitely is. I might not be as critical towards Soldier Blue as Citizen Rules but still found it very mediocre (which probably isn't much bigger praise considering it should be far more my kind of film than CR's kind).

[Zotis]

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The Shooting (1966)

I never saw a scene with this shot in the actual movie, so I wonder where it came from and what's happening. A scene cut from the version I watched perhaps? I watched a youtube version and it cut out the opening credits. Anyway... I liked this movie a lot actually. It was a smart film with pretty decent acting and a compelling story that kept me wanting to know what was going to happen next every step of the way. The ending left me pondering. I don't want to give any spoilers, but a young Jack Nicholson played a mean and sharp cold-hearted killer. Millie Perkins plays the attractive female driving the plot's main motivation. There are a lot of interesting dynamics surrounding her manipulative character. It's really the dynamics between the characters that makes the movie, and everything hinted at that goes unsaid.

4

[Hey Fredrick]

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The Shooting (1966)

I never saw a scene with this shot in the actual movie, so I wonder where it came from and what's happening.

4

That pic is from Ride in the Whirlwind. Jack and a couple other Cowboys are mistaken for murderers and are being tracked by a group of vigilantes. It's the same director, stars Jack and Millie again and was filmed right after The Shooting. That's another good one but not quite as good as The Shooting, imo.

[Zotis]

Thanks Fred. I wasn't actually expecting to find an answer. Sounds worth watching though.

[Hey Fredrick]

It's worth a watch. Another short one, it was written by Nicholson and co-stars a young Harry Dean Stanton.

[KeyserCorleone]

Rio Bravo

Rio Bravo's my favorite John Wayne film. It's got the right kind of Western attitude: badass, primitive, and full of tension. I loved the way the story progressed and how well it ended up using its characters all to a perfectly satisfactory end result. The characters were a little tropey, but I'm assuming Rio Bravo and other Western movies around that time invented the tropes. I don't know whether John Wayne stole the show or Dean Martin did, but both were fun to watch.


rating_5

[KeyserCorleone]

Oh, didn't realize The Ox-Bow Incident was nominated.


I loved the first twenty minutes of The Ox-Bow Incident because it did a good job building up the basics of the characters who had the biggest say in the film, but the basics ended up driving the chariots and everything the development could have been seemed betrayed for a tense mock trial. The movie did an excellent job delivering the message, and I'll never forget that. But I wanted to see where several potential subplots went with only one of them having an impact after the whole situation and its surprise ending seemed resolved. It might as well have been an episode of Rawhide. Don't get me wrong, Rawhide is a great show and this barely managed to be a great movie because the mock trial was well written.


rating_4_5

[Citizen Rules]

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The Shooting (1966)

I want to say something positive and that's: I'm glad this was nominated! It was on my to-watch list for the Western Countdown as it's on the BFI Western list here at MoFo. I appreciate Hey Fredrick finding me a high quality (and legal) streaming link for the movie. The copy I'd find on my own was such poor image quality that it would've effected my viewing enjoyment. I liked seeing a more obscure western and seeing two big stars before they were stars: Jack Nicholson and Warren Oates. Well maybe Warren Oates was a known name in 1966 as he was the lead in the movie. I've always like Warren Oates in the films I've seen him in.

I kept thinking the girl was the same girl from Valley of the Dolls, Barbara Parkins. She looked a lot like her, even the nose was the same, and she had the same high pitched voice too. I kept trying to figure out if she was the same girl going under a different first name (Millie) or maybe she was Barbara Parkins sister. Well when the movie was over I looked it up on IMDB and realized the girl in The Shooting was Millie Perkins, not Parkins. But I did learn that Millie had played Anne Frank in the classic film The Diary of Anne Frank.

[ahwell]

Noms are all up officially, and all review links are updated (I think)!

[Nostromo87]

Millie Perkins, not a bad look Citizen Rules !

[Citizen Rules]

Noms are all up officially, and all review links are updated (I think)!Looking good!

Millie Perkins, not a bad look @Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=84637) ! Really looking good!

[Captain Spaulding]

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The Shooting (1966)

I want to say something positive and that's: I'm glad this was nominated! It was on my to-watch list for the Western Countdown as it's on the BFI Western list here at MoFo. I appreciate Hey Fredrick finding me a high quality (and legal) streaming link for the movie. The copy I'd find on my own was such poor image quality that it would've effected my viewing enjoyment. I liked seeing a more obscure western and seeing two big stars before they were stars: Jack Nicholson and Warren Oates. Well maybe Warren Oates was a known name in 1966 as he was the lead in the movie. I've always like Warren Oates in the films I've seen him in.

I kept thinking the girl was the same girl from Valley of the Dolls, Barbara Parkins. She looked a lot like her, even the nose was the same, and she had the same high pitched voice too. I kept trying to figure out if she was the same girl going under a different first name (Millie) or maybe she was Barbara Parkins sister. Well when the movie was over I looked it up on IMDB and realized the girl in The Shooting was Millie Perkins, not Parkins. But I did learn that Millie had played Anne Frank in the classic film The Diary of Anne Frank.



Your reviews for Liberty Valance and Ox-Bow on the previous page are really well done, but this is one of those times where you review a film without saying anything about the film itself.

[Citizen Rules]

Your reviews for Liberty Valance and Ox-Bow on the previous page are really well done, but this is one of those times where you review a film without saying anything about the film itself.Ha, I didn't think anyone would notice;)

[Wyldesyde19]

The Man who Shot Liberty Valance

Ransom Stoddard is a idealistic Lawyer hoping to bring changes to the Wild West, where a fun could solve a problem quicker then a judge. More reliably too.
Along the way he is robbed, beaten and humiliated by Valance, and is quickly taught a lesson about law and justice in the west.

Along the way he meets Tom Doniphon, played by John Wayne, who teaches him about how things are done there. The two don’t get along, bit only because they’re different in their ideologies, but also they’re both competing for the affection of a woman.

Both Wayne and Stewart inhabit their characters, Wayne being the usually tough guy while Stewart portrays the usual intelligent thinker. Neither role is a stretch for them, but it didn’t have to be, and both do well with it. Although Stoddard does have his moments where he shows he isn’t just a pushover. They represent the divide between the coasts in how different civilization was, where the west had yet to catch up to the supposed sophistication of the east. Doniphon recognizes that change is indeed around the corner, as the west’s days of lawlessness will end sooner or later. Stoddard represents that change. Especially in the scenes where they vote for the delegates and Stoddard takes up teaching.

The real star here, however, is Lee Marvin as the villain, Liberty Valance. This is some of his best work, as he snarls and glares at anyone who dares to look in his direction. Watch the scene where he takes a shot after contemplating the circumstances of Stoddard challenging him, where he seems more impressed he has a gun. The way he curls the shot glass in his hand as he mulls over his response, which is measured carefully to avoid any pretense of a crime. And his reaction to being shot, is even better. (What? No spoiler here, it’s in the title after all)

The film is told for the majority in flashback, to emphasize how a legend is given life over so long of a time. And as the editor says, "This is the West, sir," he explains. "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

Definitely Fords best, in my opinion, rated higher over The Searchers and Stagecoach, for me.

4 *’s

[Zotis]

I'm kind of dreading the John Wayne movies.

[Wyldesyde19]

I'm kind of dreading the John Wayne movies.
Yeah, I’ve realized that as an actor he was pretty limited. He was mostly there for his his persona. Women and men both loved his tough guy roles. So that’s what they got with little nuance. I’ve found the films of his That I’ve enjoyed were mostly because of the story.

[edarsenal]

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The Cowboys

Jedediah Nightlinger: You're gonna get yourselves killed.
Charles 'Slim' Honeycutt: We're going to finish the job.

On the surface this may appear as a Children's Film since it does involve eleven kids helping out on a 400 mile cattle run.
But that's only the surface and it definitely wouldn't be made, as is, nowadays,the final shoot-out involves the boys avenging their boss' murder and theft of the herd of cattle and horses by killing the men responsible. Not wounding them. Or embarrassing them with pranks. But shooting them f@ckin dead.
Made in '72 when most Westerns were more grisly; this hails back to the older Westerns while still keeping a strong measure of grit of it's own.
None of which I wish to spoil so I'll have to skip over a lot of the moments I enjoyed and love.

When I was a youngster I had always loved this film and had not seen it since then. I knew it would hold up and was pleasantly surprised how well it holds up. Not to mention how much it drew me in as well as entertained me as a solid Western. With, of course, John Wayne at the helm along with Roscoe Lee Brown and Bruce Dern doing one hellacious bad guy, the movie has a strong presence due to it's youngsters. Who could actually rope and ride.

I learned that: "About half the boys had experience on the junior rodeo circuit and the rest were taught what they had to know during production." and that includes the youngster who plays Hardy Fimps, "Clay O'Brien, now Clay O'Brien Cooper, went on to become an eight-time world champion team roper competing in the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association. He is still among the all time top money winners in the PRCA".

And if that don't smack of serious Western fodder - than you're a d@mn fool.
;)

[Citizen Rules]

Does The Cowboys have a scene where some of the young cowboys see a travel group of prostitutes in a fancy wagon and go and help them? Or am I thinking of something else:p

[edarsenal]

Does The Cowboys have a scene where some of the young cowboys see a travel group of prostitutes in a fancy wagon and go and help them? Or am I thinking of something else:p

There is a short scene where two of the boys DO come across the wagon of prostitutes.

[ahwell]

We’ve got a new member!
Taz has joined and nominated:
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)

[Citizen Rules]

We’ve got a new member!
Taz has joined and nominated:
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)He nominated Edarsenal?....Woohoo! Ed for the win:p

[ahwell]

We’ve got a new member!
Taz has joined and nominated:
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)He nominated Edarsenal?....Woohoo! Ed for the win:p
Lol he sure did.

[edarsenal]

We’ve got a new member!
Taz has joined and nominated:
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)

He nominated Edarsenal?....Woohoo! Ed for the win:p

Lol he sure did.

I would like to give my preliminary thank you speech: Thank you to the Academy, to Mr. Newman, who was a delight to work with. To Katherine Ross for being kind enough to revoke the Restraining Order, God bless ya, my dear. And the untold hero, the elderly and genuinely sweet Mrs. Rothstein who secured the Gold Bond Body Powder and lotion for my aching behind from all that horseback riding. You will forever be in my heart and my prayers, my dear woman!!

[Hey Fredrick]

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The Salvation

Jon (Mads Mikkelson) is a fur trader who has been living in the West for the past 7 years and now that he's got things going good he's bringing his wife and son out to live with him. On arrival they are to take a horse driven carriage from the train station to their town. Unfortunately, their companions on the carriage are less than...well, they're very bad people, with very strong connections and they do some very bad things to him and his family which sets up the rest of the film. The carriage ride is the best scene in the film and it's an icky scene. I've seen my fair share of revenge based movies and this pretty much follows the formula. There is a teeny little subplot about land acquisition but it's not really necessary. The motivation for Jon is there without any of that.

I like Mads and I've liked him since the first time I saw him in Valhalla Rising where he never utters a word (he just kills people) so I'm kind of used to his emotionless performances and he gives another one here. He's just a bad ass fur trader looking to get even and there's nothing wrong with that. One thing that really stands out about The Salvation is how shiny it looks. Too shiny for the type of movie it is. I would've liked a bit more of a grainy, gritty, dirty, exploitation feel. That would've been nice but as far as revenge flicks go, yeah, it's alright.

[edarsenal]

The Salvation looks very familiar. I may have actually seen it, but will look forward to a rewatch all the same for a proper review,

[edarsenal]

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Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid

(repeated) "Who ARE those guys?"

This is the second film I had actually remembered seeing in my very early life at the Drive-In at around 3 years old. (The first was Romeo & Juliet). I remember being utterly heartbroken at the now famous ending. Sitting in the very back of the family station wagon, paralyzed with shock and remorse at the two outlaws I had found so lovable as we pulled away with the credits rolling.
That sadness remained on the countless viewings since then. Even today, knowing the movie back and front, I still feel that pang of sadness as Butch pauses before they step out. "You didn't see Le Fors out there, did ya?" "No." "Good. For a second there, I thought we were in trouble."

With a large part of the film actually correct and what remains being just good entertaining film making, we get a look at one of the final legendary outlaw men of the West; Butch Cassidy aka Robert LeRoy Parker and his partner, The Sundance Kid aka Harry Longabaugh.
An absolutely fun romp brim filled with the charismatic performances of Paul Newman and Robert Redford. The rapport between the two shines in the little nuances, side looks and the sarcastic quips between the two that continues throughout to the final scene.

Directed by George Roy Hill who adds splashes of grittiness and employs, in the opening as well as a montage in the middle, a sepia toned imagery creating a bridge to the turn of the century of 1900 when the actual gang etched their names into the West's History.

Along with the very beautiful Katherine Ross as Etta Place, there is also some great cameos in this film that include Kenneth Mars as the unsuccessful Sheriff attempting to raise a posse in Wixom after the first train robbery, a rather spicy Cloris Leachman playing prostitute Agnes who curls up with Butch during their hiding out from Le Fors and his daunting posse. Strother Martin playing the "colorful", tobacco spitting payroll officer in Bolivia, and, yes, the towering, bass voiced Logan who threatens to take over Butch's gang IS Ted Cassidy who many of us old timers remember as Lurch from the TV Show The Addams Family.

A beloved, very well known movie that is always a delightful watch and, quite obviously, a huge favorite of mine.

[Citizen Rules]

Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid

This is the second film I had actually remembered seeing in my very early life at the Drive-In at around 3 years old. (The first was Romeo & Juliet). I remember being utterly heartbroken at the now famous ending. Sitting in the very back of the family station wagon, paralyzed with shock and remorse at the two outlaws I had found so lovable as we pulled away with the credits rolling....Excellent review Ed and fun to read. Sounds like great memories with you in the family wagon and probably in your PJs too:p watching one of the great westerns.

I have a very similar first movie memory and you've probably heard me tell this tale before but....My first movie memory was also at the drive-in with my parents and me in PJs! I was 30 at the time:p I never knew for sure what the movie was, but I always remembered one scene: it was a western and a man is standing on an old ruined building holding a cross, then he's shot and falls to the ground. I'm pretty sure it was For a Few Dollars More. Ah, the good old days.

[Wyldesyde19]

Reading your review makes wish I had grown up during the 70’s. It was such an interesting time for film during that decade, before Jaws and Star Wars ushered in the era of the blockbuster. I love those two aforementioned films, but they really did change the landscape.
I would have loved to have seen Jaws, Star Wars, Annie Hall, Alien, Halloween, Apocalypse Now, The Sting, and so many more during their original run

[edarsenal]

Excellent review Ed and fun to read. Sounds like great memories with you in the family wagon and probably in your PJs too:p watching one of the great westerns.

I have a very similar first movie memory and you've probably heard me tell this tale before but....My first movie memory was also at the drive-in with my parents and me in PJs! I was 30 at the time:p I never knew for sure what the movie was, but I always remembered one scene: it was a western and a man is standing on an old ruined building holding a cross, then he's shot and falls to the ground. I'm pretty sure it was For a Few Dollars More. Ah, the good old days.
ROFL
Has IF there's any other way TO watch a film at the Drive In :)
Reading your review makes wish I had grown up during the 70’s. It was such an interesting time for film during that decade, before Jaws and Star Wars ushered in the era of the blockbuster. I love those two aforementioned films, but they really did change the landscape.
I would have loved to have seen Jaws, Star Wars, Annie Hall, Alien, Halloween, Apocalypse Now, The Sting, and so many more during their original run
I think that happens with all of us. When I was a kid I wanted to have experienced life in the 50's and 60's and seriously believed I had missed out on so much.

[Citizen Rules]

...
I would have loved to have seen Jaws, Star Wars, Annie Hall, Alien, Halloween, Apocalypse Now, The Sting, and so many more during their original run Out of those I seen Jaws, Star Wars and Halloween first run at the theater...but not a drive-in:p I remember kids in school being totally excited about Alien, but I didn't see that until it came out on VHS tape.

...When I was a kid I wanted to have experienced life in the 50's and 60's and seriously believed I had missed out on so much. I still live in the 1950s!

[Wyldesyde19]

...
I would have loved to have seen Jaws, Star Wars, Annie Hall, Alien, Halloween, Apocalypse Now, The Sting, and so many more during their original run Out of those I seen Jaws, Star Wars and Halloween first run at the theater...but not a drive-in:p I remember kids in school being totally excited about Alien, but I didn't see that until it came out on VHS tape.!
What I would give to have experienced that. Even the early 80’s, as it wasn’t until 1984 that I became aware of movies to begin with.
I saw Aliens in the theatre, and was in a horror and sci-fi phase before I took this seriously, but I remember also seeing The Gate, Friday the 13th part 8 and Ghostbusters 2 among others. Earliest film I remember seeing was Empire Strikes Back, but it had to be a rerelease, as I was 3 during its original 1980 run. So it’s next release was 1983 I think?
I was able to see the special edition of Star Wars in 1997 at theatres. (whole trilogy in fact)

[Citizen Rules]

What I would give to have experienced that. Even the early 80’s, as it wasn’t until 1984 that I became aware of movies to begin with.
I saw Aliens in the theatre, and was in a horror and sci-fi phase before I took this seriously, but I remember also seeing The Gate, Friday the 13th part 8 and Ghostbusters 2 among others. Earliest film I remember seeing was Empire Strikes Back, but it had to be a rerelease, as I was 3 during its original 1980 run. So it’s next release was 1983 I think?
I was able to see the special edition of Star Wars in 1997 at theatres. (whole trilogy in fact)Very cool that you seen all those at the theater. It must be a big treat for a Star Wars fan to see the trilogy on the big screen. You know I have a memory of seeing Star Wars, first time with my parents and then again almost a year later with my cousins and their parents and it was still at the same theater. Star Wars played that same theater for over a year, how crazy is that!

[ahwell]

I wish I was around for all of that! I didn’t really get into movies until 2018, but I do remember loving La La Land and Toy Story 3 in theaters.

[edarsenal]

Saw Star Wars at the theater. The line went completely around the building. Pretty incredible. The Movie Theater and Drive In used to be a weekly, and at times nearly daily thing for me growing up and into my thirties. Though a large number of times I did sneak in through out that time.
Been quite a while since I visited the movies at any steady amount. It's been a couple of times a year now, if that. Though they have been for blockbuster films with 3D which is REALLY cool to see. The exceptions have been the very rare old time movie theater, but since I work when they do their runs I haven't visited them for the past seven years or so.

[Hey Fredrick]

Drive-Ins were the best. We went almost every Friday night because it was so cheap. Pile the entire family in the car, have a couple brown paper bags filled with popcorn and a hidden cooler filled with Jolly Good under the blankets on the back seat floor. I saw most of the Disney classics for the first time at the drive in when they did the re-releases.

[Wyldesyde19]

Saw Star Wars at the theater. The line went completely around the building. Pretty incredible. The Movie Theater and Drive In used to be a weekly, and at times nearly daily thing for me growing up and into my thirties. Though a large number of times I did sneak in through out that time.
Been quite a while since I visited the movies at any steady amount. It's been a couple of times a year now, if that. Though they have been for blockbuster films with 3D which is REALLY cool to see. The exceptions have been the very rare old time movie theater, but since I work when they do their runs I haven't visited them for the past seven years or so.


That was my life from 2000-2005 and again between 2009-2014. Especially the first few years in this century. And if I wasn’t in the theatre I was at the local rental every weekend. Such good times

[Taz]

I may have to back out from this comp, Sorry.



I'm struggling to source some of these movies, esp some of the older ones - many of which don't have an AD track, which is important for those films I've not previously seen so it would be unfair to compare with some that I do have memory of.

[ahwell]

I may have to back out from this comp, Sorry.



I'm struggling to source some of these movies, esp some of the older ones - many of which don't have an AD track, which is important for those films I've not previously seen so it would be unfair to compare with some that I do have memory of.
Sorry to hear that. If you list which ones you are having trouble finding I’m sure people can provide links through PM.

[edarsenal]

I may have to back out from this comp, Sorry.



I'm struggling to source some of these movies, esp some of the older ones - many of which don't have an AD track, which is important for those films I've not previously seen so it would be unfair to compare with some that I do have memory of.

We have trouble locating films, and as ahwell mentioned, post your list and I'm sure we can assist locate films for you before you decide to give it a go.

[gbgoodies]

I may have to back out from this comp, Sorry.



I'm struggling to source some of these movies, esp some of the older ones - many of which don't have an AD track, which is important for those films I've not previously seen so it would be unfair to compare with some that I do have memory of.


If you still can't find some of these movies, you might want to check out the MoFo Westerns List. It's different from the Hall of Fame (HoF) because you can choose which western movies you want to watch.

In the HoF, everyone who joins watches all of the nominated movies, and then sends in their ranked list of those movies.

For the MoFo Westerns List, you can watch whatever western movies you want to watch, as many or as few as you want, and then send in a ranked list of your top 25 westerns to the person who's hosting that list (Holden Pike). Everyone has until May 15th, 2020 to submit their lists, and then Holden Pike will use all the lists to figure out the MoFo Top 100 Western Movies.

The information about the MoFo Western List can be found at this link:

https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=60358

It might be easier for you because you can choose the western movies that you want to watch, so you won't have to worry about not being able to find any specific movies.

[Citizen Rules]

I think what Taz is saying is because he's blind he needs an Audio Description track. Unfortunately many older movies won't have that available.

[Hey Fredrick]

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The Ox-Bow Incident

First time seeing Ox-Bow and it felt like a cross between 12 Angry Men and Mystic River. Not bad company. A local cattle guy is reportedly killed by some cattle thieves which leads to a posse being formed in town to track down the killers. The posse finds three guys at Ox-Bow which, of course, leads to an Incident. The movie is it's best once the three men are tracked down and the "trial" begins. The acting was good across the board with my favorite being Anthony Quinn. Kind of has a shocking ending for a movie of it's era. Didn't see that coming at all.

I really liked The Ox-Bow Incident. It's a good, old fashioned western and will likely find a place on my top 25 ballot.

[ahwell]

I think what Taz is saying is because he's blind he needs an Audio Description track. Unfortunately many older movies won't have that available.
Oh, I was not aware of that. Sorry about that, Taz, we’d love to still have you but if you feel the need to drop out no worries.

[edarsenal]

I think what Taz is saying is because he's blind he needs an Audio Description track. Unfortunately many older movies won't have that available.
Thank you for the clarification!
Oh, I was not aware of that. Sorry about that, Taz, we’d love to still have you but if you feel the need to drop out no worries.

I echo gbg's statement -- have a very wonderful Holiday, Taz!!

[edarsenal]

Nice review @Hey Frederick, like you, it already has a spot in my list and glad to have a rewatch since first seeing it about a year or so ago.
The ending was a great surprise for me as well.

[Wyldesyde19]

Nice review @Hey Frederick, like you, it already has a spot in my list and glad to have a rewatch since first seeing it about a year or so ago.
The ending was a great surprise for me as well.


It’s been about a decade since I saw it, and I remember enjoying it a lot. Was definitely not what I was expecting from a western, with its message. Really looking forward to rewatching this again

[ahwell]

So for now, don’t plan on watching Butch Cassidy until we get further clarification, I’ll wait to remove it.

[Citizen Rules]

I've seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid several times, so here's my past review just for fun.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1682378#post1682378)

[edarsenal]

I've seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid several times, so here's my past review just for fun.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1682378#post1682378)

"Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid is a kick in the pants western. Yahoo!"

E--XACTLY!

[edarsenal]

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The Oxbow Incident

Major Tetley: This is only slightly any of your business, my friend. Remember that.
Gil Carter: Hangin' is any man's business that's around.

Considered one of Henry Fonda's favorite films and only one of two he enjoyed doing (along with Grapes of Wrath) while contracted by 20th Century-Fox. He was so keen to do it he did it for scale. Partly due to having witnessed, at age 14, the lynching of Will Brown in Omaha, NE, on September 28, 1919.

While moral dilemmas aren't a sole commodity for Westerns, they do figure very prominently in many of them. In some, they are the very essence; and this is one of them. Specifically mob justice aka lynchings. Supplying a great list of characters to argue it out as the film clips along in a very short run time. Filling in so much without ever feeling convoluted or overabundant, we get a large group of folks hellbent on prairie justice as well as trying to preserve actual justice.
And the cast is excellent on all fronts. Along with the main cast of Henry Fonda, Harry Morgan, and as two of the three men caught by the posse, Dana Andrews and Anthony Quinn, the secondary cast is where the true butting of ideals come into play.
Much of which is great fodder for both discussion and celebrating, to speak of any of it would ruin anyone's first time watching this.
So I'll have to keep quiet about all of that.

Knowing this as such a well-revered Western - I chuckle at the thought that this was actually a flop when it first came out.
Yet a another example of being realized for something great well after the fact, I suppose.

This IS a definite nomination for those who haven't and should see this prior to the Western Countdown.

[gbgoodies]

So for now, don’t plan on watching Butch Cassidy until we get further clarification, I’ll wait to remove it.


Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid might be out of this HoF, but it's a great movie, so anyone who hasn't seen it should still watch it for the MoFo Westerns List.

[Citizen Rules]

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid might be out of this HoF, but it's a great movie, so anyone who hasn't seen it should still watch it for the MoFo Westerns List.Yup! very true. Have you seen Robert Redford in Jeremiah Johnson? I just watched that and thought it was pretty darn good, different that's for sure.

[gbgoodies]

I've seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid several times, so here's my past review just for fun.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1682378#post1682378)

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)

Review: The movie poster for this says, 'just for fun' and that's the way to watch this film, for fun. Paul Newman and Robert Redford have legendary chemistry as the pair of infamous and fun loving outlaws. I suspect a lot of their on screen chemistry is due to the fact that they got along well in real life and also, the light hearted script, gave them a chance to relax and have fun. And their fun comes through the screen in oodles.

rating_4




Paul Newman talked about the possibility of doing another movie with Robert Redford in his interview for "Inside the Actors Studio". It was right after the clip from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and it's very funny.

The part about Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid starts at about 26 minutes into this video, (but the whole interview is worth watching). Watch after the video clip of the movie for his comments about another team-up of these two actors.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvti44

(NOTE: It's NOT about a sequel to Butch and Sundance, but it's definitely worth hearing about what was suggested to him, and both his and Redford's replies. :lol:)

[gbgoodies]

Yup! very true. Have you seen Robert Redford in Jeremiah Johnson? I just watched that and thought it was pretty darn good, different that's for sure.


I haven't seen Jeremiah Johnson yet, but it's on my watchlist for the Westerns List. I watched Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here (1969) a few days ago. It was a pretty good movie, but it probably won't make my list.

[ahwell]

So for now, don’t plan on watching Butch Cassidy until we get further clarification, I’ll wait to remove it.


Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid might be out of this HoF, but it's a great movie, so anyone who hasn't seen it should still watch it for the MoFo Westerns List.

Agreed, it’ll certainly make my list.

[edarsenal]

Paul Newman talked about the possibility of doing another movie with Robert Redford in his interview for "Inside the Actors Studio". It was right after the clip from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and it's very funny.

The part about Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid starts at about 26 minutes into this video, (but the whole interview is worth watching). Watch after the video clip of the movie for his comments about another team-up of these two actors.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvti44

(NOTE: It's NOT about a sequel to Butch and Sundance, but it's definitely worth hearing about what was suggested to him, and both his and Redford's replies. :lol:)
"Not enough"
That was pretty d@mn funny.

[edarsenal]

Yup! very true. Have you seen Robert Redford in Jeremiah Johnson? I just watched that and thought it was pretty darn good, different that's for sure.

I haven't seen Jeremiah Johnson yet, but it's on my watchlist for the Westerns List. I watched Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here (1969) a few days ago. It was a pretty good movie, but it probably won't make my list.
I haven't seen Jeremiah Johnson since I was a kid, on TV. Hopefully I find the time to watch it before I send in my List.

[edarsenal]

Agreed, it’ll certainly make my list.

ya know, I'm kinda on the fence, myself


;):D

[Hey Fredrick]

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The Great Silence

Is it better to be Great or Loco? A mute bounty hunter of bounty hunters is getting revenge on some bounty hunters in the snowy west. This was a neat movie and I loved the look of it. The interior shots were all really cramped, dingy, probably stunk and then you have the outdoor shots of vast expanses and pure white snow. It worked really well. Just my opinion but more westerns should be filmed in the snow. Jean-Louis Trintignant is the mute gunfighter, Silence, total crack shot, who has a deep hatred of bounty hunters and a strong moral code (never draws first). Klaus Kinski is Loco, a less moral bounty hunter who has zero interest in the alive part of the wanted poster. I would go so far as to say he's a cold blooded killer, scattering dead bodies in the snow and getting paid well to do it. Loco has taken up residence in a town where there happens to be a quite a few wanted men living on the outskirts thanks to some crooked politics. It's a turkey shoot for Loco but one of the women he turned into a widow wants Silence to avenge her husband's death.

This isn't a by the books western and nobody does crazy as well as Klaus because, well, Klaus is crazy. But Loco is crazy-cool. He knows what he's up against, Silence has a well earned reputation, so Loco is going to have to use every bit of knowledge he has about Silence to his advantage but will it be enough? Great ending.

[ahwell]

The Salvation

There was something so fake about this one that I just couldn't get into. It wasn't a bad movie, and it was more of a me problem than the movie's, but it didn't feel authentic, even emotionally authentic. I didn't like any of the characters, the script was pretty bland, and most of the intense shooting scenes just left me rolling my eyes. These are some of the main reasons I'm not too fond of Westerns. But I can definitely appreciate this one. The cinematography at times was gorgeous, the acting was excellent, and there were some cool moments. But overall not really my thing.

2.5+

[ahwell]

The Shooting

Not a huge fan of this one, either. To me, this Western had a lot of potential. Jack Nicholson is actually pretty bad in this movie, as is most of the acting, which is a surprise. I don't really like any of the characters, and the whole thing feels like it could have worked much better as a short film or maybe at 30-40 minute run time. There were way too many shots of them walking in the desert, which got tiresome.

But it was still a very original and interesting Western, I can't say it was bad.

2.5+

[KeyserCorleone]

The Salvation

In contrast to ahwell's rating, I thought it was an incredibly intense movie. Honestly, The Salvation was so powerful in execution that it was hard for me to continue watching it. Miraculously I managed to finish it. It was a decent story with excellent and perfectly slow execution despite its runtime, which helped bring out the excessive pain. The character development was occasionally lacking, and I wouldn't have minded an extra 20-30 minutes to dive into it. But I don't think the film needed that, because more character development might mean more reason to feel for the characters who are being put through hell for too many reasons. Good movie, and I love westerns a lot, but it hurt my eyes to watch because it lets you know what kind of movie your watching after the first ten minutes, and doesn't hold back.

rating_4

[Citizen Rules]

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Rio Bravo (Howard Hawks, 1959)

What a great movie! And what an influential movie Rio Bravo was. It's so good that it was remade twice more and by the same director too, Howard Hawks. But it's Rio Bravo that's the 1st and best of the three....and it inspired the next wave of spaghetti westerns too.

I know a lot of people don't like John Wayne, why? Maybe because of his politics? I never was a fan of his, until I actually starting watching his movies! Then he just grew on me. Wayne is in top form here, doing the character he does best. BTW I've seen him do other roles and he was a much better actor than was ever given credit for. I almost nominated a Wayne film myself, well I'll save that for the Western HoF Part II:)

Dean Martin...I'm also a big fan of Dino and his 'drunk trying to go straight' is one of his plumb roles. I like the way they give him a rough and tumbled look with dirty & tattered clothes and Martin makes the most of it too. I like the way we follow Martin's struggle away from the bottle back to redemption and in that way the character's are more important than the plot. And that's by design, keep reading you'll see.

...And the rest: Angie Dickson: decent I could have seen a more gritty actress playing her role, but she's serviceable,. Ricky Nelson: for an actor turned pop star he did OK, no complaints here. Walter Brennan: what's a western without Walter Brennan? He provides the comic relief so that the serious moments can be, well, more serious. Shout out to Ward Bond too. This was his last film and he pairs very well with John Wayne.

I noticed the music score which had a trumpet playing a Mexican sounding melancholy melody. I stopped the film and said to my wife, 'the soundtrack sounds alot like the spaghetti westerns'. Then after watching the film I read the IMDB trivia and seen this:

The score includes the hauntingly ominous "El Degüello" theme, which is heard several times. Colorado identifies the tune as "The Cutthroat Song".... Composer Ennio Morricone recalled that Sergio Leone asked him to write "Dimitri Tiomkin music" for A Fistful of Dollars (1964). The trumpet theme is similar to Tiomkin's "Degüello" (the Italian title of Rio Bravo was Un dollaro d'onore, "A Dollar of Honor").

Then I also read this:
The film was a huge success in Italy, laying the groundwork for the following decade's Spaghetti Western boom.

But most importantly I read this trivia at IMDB:
Howard Hawks...saw how popular western TV shows had become, and realized that audiences cared more about the characters, than the plots to the shows... Rather than making a movie that centered around one main plot, he decided he wanted to make a completely character driven western with several story-lines running through it simultaneously... And that's exactly what the film does, it gives us time with the characters as if we were part of the story. Such a good movie!

[edarsenal]

d@mn FINE review, CR!!

[Citizen Rules]

d@mn FINE review, CR!!Not bad for buzzed! ha:p

[edarsenal]

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Rio Bravo

Pat Wheeler: A game-legged old man and a drunk. That's all you got?
John T. Chance: That's WHAT I got.

Since it's nearly impossible not to discuss a film that is, or has a remake without a comparison, we'll get that outta the way, right out of the gate.
I've watched the remake, El Dorado (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061619/) quite a number of times throughout my life. Enjoying James Caan as the youngster who can't actually shoots so John Wayne's character gets him a shot-off shotgun to Robert Mitchum playing the Sheriff at the bottom of a bottle and d@mn reluctant to get back out of it.
I had scarcely remembered Rio Bravo since I have not seen it since my early teens and while it HAS been almost a decade since last since seeing El Dorado to make a true comparison, Rio Bravo may, very possibly, be the more grittier of the two.
In particularly with specific characters. Dean Martin's deputy is a far more tragic/humanistic character. Delving deeper into the realities of a drunkard trying to climb his way out of a bottle with all the fears embodied in it. And Martin really brings his best to this role. It's not a caricature, not the funny drunk, but a broken man searching for the courage he fully believes has left him.
And, like Martin, little teen idol Ricky Nelson does the quiet, wise, youngster that is not only good with his guns, but has a head on his shoulders far better than is expected.
And the movie has a number of solid shoot-out scenes supporting this where the upper hand is won by out-thinking an opponent instead of simply having the quicker hand.

Now, add Walter Brennan and John Wayne doing what they do best, this could very well be Howard Hawks best rendition before continually going back to remake it.

[gbgoodies]

Rio Bravo (Howard Hawks, 1959)

Dean Martin...I'm also a big fan of Dino and his 'drunk trying to go straight' is one of his plumb roles. I like the way they give him a rough and tumbled look with dirty & tattered clothes and Martin makes the most of it too. I like the way we follow Martin's struggle away from the bottle back to redemption and in that way the character's are more important than the plot.



If you want to see Dean Martin is a different kind of role, check out the movie Rough Night in Jericho (1967). It's the only movie where Dean Martin played the villain, and it's a pretty good movie too.

[Wyldesyde19]

Rio Bravo (Howard Hawks, 1959)

Dean Martin...I'm also a big fan of Dino and his 'drunk trying to go straight' is one of his plumb roles. I like the way they give him a rough and tumbled look with dirty & tattered clothes and Martin makes the most of it too. I like the way we follow Martin's struggle away from the bottle back to redemption and in that way the character's are more important than the plot.



If you want to see Dean Martin is a different kind of role, check out the movie Rough Night in Jericho (1967). It's the only movie where Dean Martin played the villain, and it's a pretty good movie too.
Sounds familiar. Western, right? Is that the one with Robert Mitchum? And Martin plays a priest?

[gbgoodies]

If you want to see Dean Martin is a different kind of role, check out the movie Rough Night in Jericho (1967). It's the only movie where Dean Martin played the villain, and it's a pretty good movie too.

Sounds familiar. Western, right? Is that the one with Robert Mitchum? And Martin plays a priest?


Yes, it's a western, but no, Robert Mitchum isn't in Rough Night in Jericho (1967) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062218/reference).

And Martin doesn't play a priest. He plays a corrupt sheriff.

[Wyldesyde19]

If you want to see Dean Martin is a different kind of role, check out the movie Rough Night in Jericho (1967). It's the only movie where Dean Martin played the villain, and it's a pretty good movie too.

Sounds familiar. Western, right? Is that the one with Robert Mitchum? And Martin plays a priest?


Yes, it's a western, but no, Robert Mitchum isn't in Rough Night in Jericho (1967) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062218/reference).

And Martin doesn't play a priest. He plays a corrupt sheriff.

Hmm. I may have switched their roles anyways, I think it was Mitchum as the priest.

Edit: looked it up, I’m thinking of Five Card Stud.

[Citizen Rules]

If you want to see Dean Martin is a different kind of role, check out the movie Rough Night in Jericho (1967). It's the only movie where Dean Martin played the villain, and it's a pretty good movie too.Thanks, I hadn't heard of that but I'll give it a watch.

[Citizen Rules]

Rio Bravo

Dean Martin's deputy is a far more tragic/humanistic character. Delving deeper into the realities of a drunkard trying to climb his way out of a bottle with all the fears embodied in it. And Martin really brings his best to this role. It's not a caricature, not the funny drunk, but a broken man searching for the courage he fully believes has left him... I like that, I should have wrote that:) Totally agree.

I do really like El Dorado too. I'm just not a big fan of the third one Rio Lobo which was Howard Hawks last film. His second to last was El Dorado three years earlier. I guess he really liked westerns.

[Wyldesyde19]

Rio Bravo

Dean Martin's deputy is a far more tragic/humanistic character. Delving deeper into the realities of a drunkard trying to climb his way out of a bottle with all the fears embodied in it. And Martin really brings his best to this role. It's not a caricature, not the funny drunk, but a broken man searching for the courage he fully believes has left him... I like that, I should have wrote that:) Totally agree.

I do really like El Dorado too. I'm just not a big fan of the third one Rio Lobo which was Howard Hawks last film. His second to last was El Dorado three years earlier. I guess he really liked westerns.

It’s funny, Rio Lobo is available on Amazon prime. Going to the local rental to start c he cling out what they have available tomorrow.
Going to finish up comedy first., have to hit up the library for that though. (Just 4 more and I own one of them)

I’ll be doing another review this week to keep up with this 🙂

[edarsenal]

I like that, I should have wrote that:) Totally agree.

I do really like El Dorado too. I'm just not a big fan of the third one Rio Lobo which was Howard Hawks last film. His second to last was El Dorado three years earlier. I guess he really liked westerns.

Thanks, CR. Martin definitely stepped out of the usual "romantic drunk" of a lot of westerns and you really have to give him credit for that.

El Dorado has been on my re-watch list and now I need to very soon just to get a better comparison of the two to flesh out my review. As well as to give it a proper placement in my List.
I don't think I've actually watched the third one, Rio Lobo though.


And I just looked up Rough Night in Jericho. Along with Martin there's Jean Simmons, George Peppard and Slim Pickens. Definitely need to add that to my Western Watch List. THANKS for mentioning it, gbgoodies!

[ahwell]

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

In my humble opinion this is the second best Western ever made (after Blazing Saddles, because how can you beat that?) The performances are great, for starters. John Wayne is such a legend, as is James Stewart, especially in this movie. I think this is my favorite performance of his, even better than Rear Window or Harvey.

John Ford's direction is naturally spot on. The movie drags a bit, and I think sometimes loses its tight focus on the nature of law and order, but overall a very satisfying and fantastic film.

3.5

[ahwell]

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

An absolute blast, I loved all three hours!

I just said that "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" was my second favorite Western of all time. Well that's been bumped down to third now, because this movie is now my current favorite.

Acting was great, cinematography was great, and even the screenplay was pretty damn good for a Western.

Well done, Leone!

4+

[Citizen Rules]

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The Salvation (2014)

This was just plain silly. The opening scene in the stagecoach station had promise and I hoped it would be a movie with fleshed out characters, deep themes and an intelligent script...But nope I got none of that.

Instead The Salvation plays out like a bad 1990s slasher movie were the people's actions are so implausible that you want them to get killed just for being so stupid. And true to it's slasher styling, the bad guy is as one dimensional as they come. I couldn't believe the scene where the bad dude comes into town and announces that the town's folks better find the killer of his brother within two hours OR he will kill two town's folks and so does...and old lady and a double amputee, OMG! Talk about an unbelievably situation. No time was spend building up why the bad guy was so evil or had so much power over the town's folks. Later on we see the wimpy sheriff and a half dozen of his deputies in a scene and they're armed, so we know the town's folks have guns, so they could have fought back.

The whole film infuriated me: example Mads Milkkelson has escaped and is armed with a repeating rifle and is hiding behind a big rock as a dozen or so of the bad men ride in close formation out in the open of the prairie. Mads' character is both an ex soldier and expert hunter, he could have killed everyone one of those men. With no cover they'd dropped like flies. The whole movie was like that with a lazy script that seemed best suited for a video game.

[Hey Fredrick]

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The Cowboys

Wil Anderson (John Wayne) needs to get his cattle to market. The problem is every able bodied man in the area has gold fever and leaves Wil high and dry. Desperate, he enlists the help of a few young boys.

They don't make coming of age stories like this anymore. Whiskey, prostitutes, a bit of shooting... The good ol' days. Had I seen this back in the 70's I wouldn't have batted an eye at it but it's one of those movies that viewed through todays eyes is a bit whoa! in parts especially considering its PG rating. John Wayne does a pretty decent version playing John Wayne and the kids are all pretty impressive little cowboys. Being a western you need a bad guy so enter Bruce Dern, thief, murderer and all around bad dude. Dern is really good as the no-name bad guy. It never hurts to be Bruce Dern when portraying a bad guy. He has the look.

The Cowboys moved along at a pretty good clip. It has some very nice shots of the landscape which is a requirement for any truly good western, imo. The kids do a lot of growing up from the beginning to the end and their growth didn't feel rushed. Small little lessons that all added up. We don't get to know all of them that well but we do get to know them well enough as a group. I really enjoyed this.

[Citizen Rules]

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The Cowboys (1972)

I like John Wayne, I do...The character, that is. I don't know much about his personal life other than he's been described as being right wing. But that doesn't matter to me. I mean I like Woody Allen and he's one weird dude. But people seem to really hate John Wayne and I'm not sure why? But maybe they should watch more of his films. If they did they'd see he has more dimension to him than meets the casual observers eye.

Here in The Cowboys we see he's tough as nails on the outside while having a soft spot for the boys he hires (hmm, that sounds odd:p) What I mean to say is: he's lost his own two sons and had grown old. His concern is for his wife's well being and later for the boys he hires to work for him. He comes to think of them like sons. So unlike other of Duke's films we see a softer side, we see a man who loves his wife and is even gentle and kind to her.

I loved the way the film takes it time and never rushes. It allows us to spend time so that we can feel we're a part of the story. A lot of movies just don't linger on the moment, The Cowboys does and does so at the right times.

The other impressive thing is the actual cattle drive. Think about it, this isn't CG crap and it's not just close ups of three cows in somebodies pasture. We see a large cattle drive in stunning wide angle, distance shots as they travel through the vast country side. I mean we see a lot of terrain, and it's easy to forget how hard on-location shooting is for the film maker, especially when done in so many different and rugged landscapes. Most films today would not have spent the time and money to do this.

Oh, big shout out to the best psycho-bad guy around, Bruce Dern! Damn! he was impressive as the unhinged cattle rustler...very believable and so very daunting.

Great film and I'm glad to have rewatched it.

[Hey Fredrick]

The opening scene in the stagecoach station had promise and I hoped it would be a movie with fleshed out characters, deep themes and an intelligent script...But nope I got none of that.

That was the best scene by far. Was hoping it would maintain that or at least build off it but nope. Never reached that level of tension again. I liked it more than you but I like these kinds of revenge movies, warts and all. I did think the same thing about the "bad guy." When he first made an appearance I thought well, he must be the bad guy because he's wearing black head to toe.

[Citizen Rules]

That was the best scene by far. Was hoping it would maintain that or at least build off it but nope. Never reached that level of tension again. I liked it more than you but I like these kinds of revenge movies, warts and all. I did think the same thing about the "bad guy." When he first made an appearance I thought well, he must be the bad guy because he's wearing black head to toe.I meant I liked the scene in the stage coach building, before they got onto the stage coach. I thought the scene inside the stagecoach was contrived. I mean without any buildup these two guys start harassing the woman. It would've been better if they had been three stagecoach robbers, who held up the stage, killing the driver and then two of them got into the cabin and started harassing the woman. That would have gave them enough back story and motivation to make their actions seem more plausible.

[Hey Fredrick]

Oh, okay. Just the opposite for me. Stagecoach robbers wouldn't have worked for me in this particular movie. Not saying a movie like that wouldn't be good just that it didn't fit into what this movie was setting up.

[ahwell]

I wasn't a big fan of the Salvation either. Did the lighting bother anyone? For some reason the lighting, camerawork, maybe makeup and costumes? I don't know, it felt very very fake.

[Citizen Rules]

I wasn't a big fan of the Salvation either. Did the lighting bother anyone? For some reason the lighting, camerawork, maybe makeup and costumes? I don't know, it felt very very fake.Yes...I didn't go into that in my review, but I could tell it was made on a tight budget. Different shots of the city and the train looked CG and overall it didn't look good. And the bad guys looked more contemporary than someone from the old west.

[ahwell]

Rio Bravo

Excellent! I'm loving John Wayne more each time I see him. He has a subtle but effective way of acting. He doesn't exactly tell us what's going on, and what his character motivations are, but we're left to interpret them.

And speaking of that, I've finally come across a Western that prioritizes heavy dialogue and strong characters over gun violence and silly moments of dramatic suspense. Rio Bravo does have moments like that, but it doesn't take itself as seriously as a lot of other Westerns do.

Overall, just a charming and quite amazing watch!

4

[edarsenal]

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The Cowboys

Wil Anderson (John Wayne) needs to get his cattle to market. The problem is every able bodied man in the area has gold fever and leaves Wil high and dry. Desperate, he enlists the help of a few young boys.

They don't make coming of age stories like this anymore. Whiskey, prostitutes, a bit of shooting... The good ol' days. Had I seen this back in the 70's I wouldn't have batted an eye at it but it's one of those movies that viewed through todays eyes is a bit whoa! in parts especially considering its PG rating. John Wayne does a pretty decent version playing John Wayne and the kids are all pretty impressive little cowboys. Being a western you need a bad guy so enter Bruce Dern, thief, murderer and all around bad dude. Dern is really good as the no-name bad guy. It never hurts to be Bruce Dern when portraying a bad guy. He has the look.

The Cowboys moved along at a pretty good clip. It has some very nice shots of the landscape which is a requirement for any truly good western, imo. The kids do a lot of growing up from the beginning to the end and their growth didn't feel rushed. Small little lessons that all added up. We don't get to know all of them that well but we do get to know them well enough as a group. I really enjoyed this.

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The Cowboys (1972)

I like John Wayne, I do...The character, that is. I don't know much about his personal life other than he's been described as being right wing. But that doesn't matter to me. I mean I like Woody Allen and he's one weird dude. But people seem to really hate John Wayne and I'm not sure why? But maybe they should watch more of his films. If they did they'd see he has more dimension to him than meets the casual observers eye.

Here in The Cowboys we see he's tough as nails on the outside while having a soft spot for the boys he hires (hmm, that sounds odd:p) What I mean to say is: he's lost his own two sons and had grown old. His concern is for his wife's well being and later for the boys he hires to work for him. He comes to think of them like sons. So unlike other of Duke's films we see a softer side, we see a man who loves his wife and is even gentle and kind to her.

I loved the way the film takes it time and never rushes. It allows us to spend time so that we can feel we're a part of the story. A lot of movies just don't linger on the moment, The Cowboys does and does so at the right times.

The other impressive thing is the actual cattle drive. Think about it, this isn't CG crap and it's not just close ups of three cows in somebodies pasture. We see a large cattle drive in stunning wide angle, distance shots as they travel through the vast country side. I mean we see a lot of terrain, and it's easy to forget how hard on-location shooting is for the film maker, especially when done in so many different and rugged landscapes. Most films today would not have spent the time and money to do this.

Oh, big shout out to the best psycho-bad guy around, Bruce Dern! Damn! he was impressive as the unhinged cattle rustler...very believable and so very daunting.

Great film and I'm glad to have rewatched it.



VERY happy to hear you both enjoyed it.
Quite agree with all that was said. It does give John Wayne a more tender side when it comes to his wife and how he takes care of the kids under his watch. And yes, Bruce Dern is an EXCELLENT villain. Just all out menacing.

I've always considered this as very true to the essence of a good western and glad to see some love for it.

[edarsenal]

Rio Bravo

Excellent! I'm loving John Wayne more each time I see him. He has a subtle but effective way of acting. He doesn't exactly tell us what's going on, and what his character motivations are, but we're left to interpret them.

And speaking of that, I've finally come across a Western that prioritizes heavy dialogue and strong characters over gun violence and silly moments of dramatic suspense. Rio Bravo does have moments like that, but it doesn't take itself as seriously as a lot of other Westerns do.

Overall, just a charming and quite amazing watch!

4

exactly. It had great dialogue and the violence (shoot outs) that occurred were not just quick draw action, but actual strategy and out-thinking the other fella. Gotta really appreciate that.

[Citizen Rules]

VERY happy to hear you both enjoyed it.
Quite agree with all that was said. It does give John Wayne a more tender side when it comes to his wife and how he takes care of the kids under his watch. And yes, Bruce Dern is an EXCELLENT villain. Just all out menacing.

I've always considered this as very true to the essence of a good western and glad to see some love for it. Now I feel like watching more John Wayne.................and Bruce Dern!

[Citizen Rules]

Rio Bravo
... I've finally come across a Western that prioritizes heavy dialogue and strong characters over gun violence and silly moments of dramatic suspense. Rio Bravo does have moments like that, but it doesn't take itself as seriously as a lot of other Westerns do...

This is an interesting bit of info from IMDB's trivia page on Rio Bravo:
Howard Hawks' first movie in four years which was the longest hiatus of his career. It was during this period while living in Europe that he saw how popular western television shows had become, and realized that audiences cared more about the characters, than the plots to the shows. This is where the idea for this movie started to form. Rather than making a movie that centered around one main plot, he decided he wanted to make a completely character driven western with several story-lines running through it simultaneously. The studio bosses refused but instantly changed their minds when Hawks told them he was casting John Wayne as the lead. And I tend to like character driven films in general myself. In fact I have one in mind for the next western HoF II.

[ahwell]

Rio Bravo
... I've finally come across a Western that prioritizes heavy dialogue and strong characters over gun violence and silly moments of dramatic suspense. Rio Bravo does have moments like that, but it doesn't take itself as seriously as a lot of other Westerns do...

This is an interesting bit of info from IMDB's trivia page on Rio Bravo:
Howard Hawks' first movie in four years which was the longest hiatus of his career. It was during this period while living in Europe that he saw how popular western television shows had become, and realized that audiences cared more about the characters, than the plots to the shows. This is where the idea for this movie started to form. Rather than making a movie that centered around one main plot, he decided he wanted to make a completely character driven western with several story-lines running through it simultaneously. The studio bosses refused but instantly changed their minds when Hawks told them he was casting John Wayne as the lead. And I tend to like character driven films in general myself. In fact I have one in mind for the next western HoF II.

I read that too, and it totally shows in the movie. The script was also smart as a whip, which is uncommon for a Western (in my opinion).

Moves like this and the Good the Bad and the Ugly are slowly beginning to open me up to Westerns.

Are you hosting the next Westerns?

[Citizen Rules]

...Are you hosting the next Westerns? I wasn't planning on hosting. I just want to join:) I do hope we can do a second one though.

[gbgoodies]

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

An absolute blast, I loved all three hours!

I just said that "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" was my second favorite Western of all time. Well that's been bumped down to third now, because this movie is now my current favorite.

Acting was great, cinematography was great, and even the screenplay was pretty damn good for a Western.

Well done, Leone!

4+


I recently rewatched The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly for the upcoming Westerns List. I'm still not a fan of the movie, but it was better than the last time I watched it.

But here's a weird aside: After I watched it, I had a dream that Clint Eastwood's character made it through the walk through the desert by seeing mirages of Baby Yoda giving him advice on how to survive. (I haven't even seen an episode of "The Mandalorian" yet, but Baby Yoda's image is everywhere, so I guess it just stuck in my mind.) :lol:


.

[gbgoodies]

Now I feel like watching more John Wayne.................and Bruce Dern!


I recently watched Posse (1975) starring Kirk Douglas and Bruce Dern. It didn't really get interesting until about an hour into the movie, but by then, I was already bored with the movie. I thought it was only okay, but maybe you'll like it more than I did.

[ahwell]

I recently rewatched The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly for the upcoming Westerns List. I'm still not a fan of the movie, but it was better than the last time I watched it.

But here's a weird aside: After I watched it, I had a dream that Clint Eastwood's character made it through the walk through the desert by seeing mirages of Baby Yoda giving him advice on how to survive. (I haven't even seen an episode of "The Mandalorian" yet, but Baby Yoda's image is everywhere, so I guess it just stuck in my mind.) :lol:


.

Um, wow. interesting dream?

[gbgoodies]

Um, wow. interesting dream?


I think it was a bit more strange than interesting. :lol:

[Captain Steel]

VERY happy to hear you both enjoyed it.
Quite agree with all that was said. It does give John Wayne a more tender side when it comes to his wife and how he takes care of the kids under his watch. And yes, Bruce Dern is an EXCELLENT villain. Just all out menacing.

I've always considered this as very true to the essence of a good western and glad to see some love for it.

The Cowboys is one of my very few favorite westerns and one of my favorite movies overall (since I never liked westerns!)

Another amazing aspect of this film is the cinematography - the wide vistas (great when viewing in letterbox) and the John Williams score!

I had this on a DVD set and it had one of the most interesting extras - discussing the making of the film.

Most of the boys in it were not actors (except for Carradine - his film debut & Martinez), but were hired for their horse-riding ability! Yet their acting turned out great. And many of their real-life parents played their parents in the film.

And I loved the story of how Bruce Dern terrorized the boy (unintentionally) on the set that he terrorized in the movie - Dern was so convincing, that after filming their scene, it was said the boy couldn't even look at Dern and didn't want to go near him!

[ahwell]

The Cowboys

A fun film I guess. I didn't love it and it's my least favorite John Wayne movie so far, but it had some good qualities.

I wish the characters were more well fleshed out. All the boys were very forgettable and there were too many to really get attached to them.

The first half was probably a 1/5, but it definitely picked up, and the last half turned out to be quite good. Just wish it were more consistent.

2.5+

[Captain Steel]

The Cowboys

A fun film I guess. I didn't love it and it's my least favorite John Wayne movie so far, but it had some good qualities.

I wish the characters were more well fleshed out. All the boys were very forgettable and there were too many to really get attached to them.

The first half was probably a 1/5, but it definitely picked up, and the last half turned out to be quite good. Just wish it were more consistent.

2.5+

This may sound horrible, but one of the reasons I liked it so much is... John Wayne is killed 3/4 of the way through! This was just unthinkable at the time and caught the audience by surprise. Bruce Dern reported he was still getting hate mail 37 years later for "killing John Wayne"! ;)
A good surprise that deviates from formula makes for a good movie.

[ahwell]

This may sound horrible, but one of the reasons I liked it so much is... John Wayne is killed 3/4 of the way through! This was just unthinkable at the time and caught the audience by surprise. Bruce Dern reported he was still getting hate mail 37 years later for "killing John Wayne"! ;)
A good surprise that deviates from formula makes for a good movie.

That did catch me by surprise and was a great part of the movie! That entire scene was almost like a Coen Brothers thriller, it was totally not what I was expecting.

[edarsenal]

This may sound horrible, but one of the reasons I liked it so much is... John Wayne is killed 3/4 of the way through! This was just unthinkable at the time and caught the audience by surprise. Bruce Dern reported he was still getting hate mail 37 years later for "killing John Wayne"! ;)
A good surprise that deviates from formula makes for a good movie.

That did catch me by surprise and was a great part of the movie! That entire scene was almost like a Coen Brothers thriller, it was totally not what I was expecting.

It definitely made for a more incredible climax. Even more so for today's standards for the final shootout.

[edarsenal]

The Cowboys is one of my very few favorite westerns and one of my favorite movies overall (since I never liked westerns!)

Another amazing aspect of this film is the cinematography - the wide vistas (great when viewing in letterbox) and the John Williams score!

I had this on a DVD set and it had one of the most interesting extras - discussing the making of the film.

Most of the boys in it were not actors (except for Carradine - his film debut & Martinez), but were hired for their horse-riding ability! Yet their acting turned out great. And many of their real-life parents played their parents in the film.

And I loved the story of how Bruce Dern terrorized the boy (unintentionally) on the set that he terrorized in the movie - Dern was so convincing, that after filming their scene, it was said the boy couldn't even look at Dern and didn't want to go near him!
I had read that in IMDb since I've always thought that they were trained because pretty much all of them KNEW what they were doing. Rather enjoyed reading about that. In fact, one of the boys grew up to be a top rodeo rider.

[Captain Steel]

I had read that in IMDb since I've always thought that they were trained because pretty much all of them KNEW what they were doing. Rather enjoyed reading about that. In fact, one of the boys grew up to be a top rodeo rider.

Yes! The IMBb trivia said most of them were already involved in the rodeo circuit before the movie was made.

I remember watching the TV series that came from the movie (which kept Carradine & Martinez... and maybe a couple other boys from the from the movie?)
I was very enthused for it. It was okay, but it just wasn't the same without the original Mr. Nightlinger (Roscoe Lee Brown) and obviously didn't have the intensity of the film.
And since I could never stand any TV westerns (even worse than movie westerns), I didn't watch for long... but it only lasted 1 season.

[Citizen Rules]

I'll watch The Good The Bad and The Ugly next. Then I'll basically be done as I'm holding off on watching The Great Silence until the very end of the HoF. I want to make sure it's still in the HoF and I've seen it already too.

[ahwell]

Zotis you still participating? I just watched Great Silence, I’ll have a review up soon.

[edarsenal]

Great Silence IS on my rewatch list, so I'll try to see it all the same. I have Who Shot Liberty Valance to write up next. I do need to play catch up on the Japanese HoF so I'll be knocking a few them out.

[Wyldesyde19]

I should be able to knock 2 of them out this week.
The shooting is available on Amazon video, and I own The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
Going to the local rental this week to see what they have available for the other 5.
I like this particular HOF. The Great Silence, The Shooting and The Salvation were unknown to me so it’ll be interesting to watch them.
Especially The Great Silence. Ever since I learned of Django from Corbucci, I’ve been interest in it. (A full decade now I think? Availability was always an issue).
Since I’m not familiar with his work at all, Silence will be a nice introduction

[ahwell]

The Great Silence

One helluva revisionist Western. Imagine John Wayne in this haha!

So, A pretty solid movie. I didn't love it or anything, but the main hero and villain were both fascinating characters. I loved the idea of the mute bounty hunter as the lead, it leads to more intimate moments between characters.

Direction and cinematography were great, but something didn't quite click that would make this a favorite.

I still recommend it for Westerns lovers.

3+

[Zotis]

Don't worry, I'm still participating, was going to watch one tonight actually.

[Zotis]

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The Ox-Bow Incident
3

Overall a fairly decent movie. I nearly shed a tear at the end. What I liked about it was the powerful subject matter and representation of all of the characters and their arguments. It's a very moral movie. But I did take issue with one aspect, the poor portrayal of the effects of alcohol.

I'll describe a scene near the beginning of the movie and my issue with it.

In the first scene, which takes place in a bar, two men are drinking whisky. One says of his friend that he's had five whiskys. He gets irritated easily and punches out another man before the bartender smashes a bottle over his head knocking him out. His friend then drags him into a chair and explains that he likes to fight when he's drunk and then splashes water on his face. He goes outside to puke, presumably from drinking too much, and then suddenly a commotion stirs. There are people discussing lynching a man and by this time he seems completely sober, though to be honest he never seemed like he had more than one beer aside from the poor attempts at seeming agitated easily as a result of being supposedly drunk.

[Wyldesyde19]

The Shooting

This was one of the 3 westerns I hadn’t heard of in this HOF (The Great Silence and The Salvation being the other 2). Considering it had Jack Nicholson in it, I’m surprised.
Reading up on it I saw it wasn’t released in American theatres, although it did get a release in France where it did well. I can see some good ideas here, but it doesn’t come together that well.

The acting is the best part of it, as is the tension between the 4 characters.
Nicholson is menacing as the hired gun, and Warren Oates is his usual gruff self. They both eye each other warily and size each other up throughout the film.
Millie Perkins was good, not great, as the women who ha shores Oates and his friend for a job. A job she won’t say.

The tension is palpable between them, and slowly builds to the climax, which I won’t spoil. It’s definitely worth watching. But the editing could be frustratiibg at times, with certain scenes cut away to another rather abruptly.
That includes the ending.
Still, there’s a good film here. Just not a great one.

[cricket]

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The Ox-Bow Incident
3

Overall a fairly decent movie. I nearly shed a tear at the end. What I liked about it was the powerful subject matter and representation of all of the characters and their arguments. It's a very moral movie. But I did take issue with one aspect, the poor portrayal of the effects of alcohol.

I'll describe a scene near the beginning of the movie and my issue with it.

In the first scene, which takes place in a bar, two men are drinking whisky. One says of his friend that he's had five whiskys. He gets irritated easily and punches out another man before the bartender smashes a bottle over his head knocking him out. His friend then drags him into a chair and explains that he likes to fight when he's drunk and then splashes water on his face. He goes outside to puke, presumably from drinking too much, and then suddenly a commotion stirs. There are people discussing lynching a man and by this time he seems completely sober, though to be honest he never seemed like he had more than one beer aside from the poor attempts at seeming agitated easily as a result of being supposedly drunk.

So I guess your issue is that someone who's drunk can suddenly be sober. I understand how it looks, but this happened to me many times in the past. It can certainly happen from throwing up, but it's not the only reason, and often times it's something suddenly happening. It's an odd thing but sometimes you just snap out of it.

[Citizen Rules]

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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)

I'd seen this several times before but not for almost 20 years. Before this HoF started I was working on my Top 100 Western Countdown list and TGTBTU was a lock for the top of my list. But after watching this last night, I'm not even sure if it will make my Countdown list.

Don't get me wrong, I think this is a very important film. It has some very impressive camera work and the score by Ennio Morricone is the stuff of legend! The film is certainly ground breaking and clearly would shape Quentin Tarantino's future movie making. I was amazed at just how similar in tone and style TGTBTU was to some of Tarantino's films. And maybe that's why I didn't like this as much as I had expected to. The overtly obvious sound effects and stuff like flying hats that are shot, just seemed more silly than great and I'm not a fan of super close ups either.

But there's no denying there's greatness here. The cemetery scene when Tuco (Eli Wallach) goes running from grave to grave, then ends up in the center of the cemetery running circles, as the camera spins around...causing the background to fly by...OMG...that was a thing of genius! And the Civil War set on the hill side, amazing. The set was so big in scope and by using the three dimensional hill sides and the valley below, then brought the huge scale of war to the viewer.

You know I had always thought of TGTBTU as a Clint Eastwood film. But he's really not the draw here, it's Eli Wallach as Tuco the Rat who steals every scene he's in. For the record Eastwood is good here as the 'Good' and it's nice to see Lee Van Cleef the 'Bad' get to showcase his talents.

TGTBTU is an impressive film alright, but at 3 hours it's too long for it's basically simply story line. I felt the length in this film and checked the time remaining more than once...where as in The Cowboys at 2 hours 20 minutes, I never once checked the time and ended the movie wishing it had been longer. So ultimately TGTBTU felt like a film maker singing his own praises by making an epic, and yet the story couldn't support the epic run time, at least for me.

[Wyldesyde19]

I keep going back to the ending of The Shooting and I’m torn on it. I liked it, but i think the issue I had was the freeze frames.

[Citizen Rules]

I keep going back to the ending of The Shooting and I’m torn on it. I liked it, but i think the issue I had was the freeze frames. I hate freeze frames in general...but they were in style in the later 60s and early 70s. So I guess at that time they were like their today's CG.

[Wyldesyde19]

I keep going back to the ending of The Shooting and I’m torn on it. I liked it, but i think the issue I had was the freeze frames. I hate freeze frames in general...but they were in style in the later 60s and early 70s. So I guess at that time they were like their today's CG.
Freeze frames can be ok when done right, like with Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. As an ending it’s more impactful.
With The Shooting and The stepmother (early 1970’s film). It was jarring and interrupted the flow of the film.

[ahwell]

The freeze frame at the end of the 400 Blows is the culprit/inspiration for most of them I think. It’s probably the best freeze frame ever, one of my favorite endings to a movie period. But damn, why it have to inspire so many bad ones?

[cricket]

My favorite freeze frame is at the end of Joe (1970)

[Wyldesyde19]

My favorite freeze frame is at the end of Joe (1970)
I forgot about that!

[edarsenal]

My favorite freeze frame is at the end of Joe (1970)

I remember that one. That WAS a good freeze frame ending

[edarsenal]

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Who Shot Liberty Valance

Ransom Stoddard: You're not going to use the story, Mr. Scott?
Maxwell Scott: No, sir. This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.

With the usual "Line in the Sand" morality that I've come to acknowledge in a John Ford film, or rather in the small, but upper echelon, list of films I've seen, we watch as a "young" lawyer (Jimmy Stewart) with an idealistic believe in civilized justice aka the law clashes with the violent, lawless ruffian Liberty Valance played with a slimy repugnance befitting a John Ford villain with the brilliance that Lee Marvin brings. The only true shield (whether Stewarts' Stoddard wants it or not) is John Wayne playing the dour Doniphon.

Backing them and the story is a strong cast that includes Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O'Brien, Strother Martin, Lee Van Cleef, Woody Strode and a cameo by John Carradine done with Shakespearean gusto.

While the film appears to follow the inevitable duel between Stoddard and Valance it is more about the "legends" that become the preference to the actual "truth" of a well known incident. Kind of makes you wonder about so many western legends and what was the actual true occurrence in many of them.
It only comments on those that rise to prominence due to the legend and how it leaves others behind.

A stout morality tale and a very worthwhile Western I'll be revisiting.

[Citizen Rules]

I'm a big fan of Lee Marvin's. I can think of a few of his films that I might nominate in some future HoF.

[edarsenal]

I'm a big fan of Lee Marvin's. I can think of a few of his films that I might nominate in some future HoF.

I can't help but think of the irony in how that reminds me of:

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with you not caring for Tarrantino lol


I am the same way. While it's hard to pick a favorite, I do especially enjoy him in The Dirty Dozen

[Wyldesyde19]

Kind of makes you wonder about so many western legends and what was the actual true occurrence in many of them.

Like Wyatt Earp, for example, who was greatly responsible for creating his myth while exaggerating certain experiences or, in a lot of cases, outright lied about them.
The legend and the truth of Earp’s life is something I think of when I watch Liberty Valance.

[edarsenal]

Like Wyatt Earp, for example, who was greatly responsible for creating his myth while exaggerating certain experiences or, in a lot of cases, outright lied about them.
The legend and the truth of Earp’s life is something I think of when I watch Liberty Valance.
Very true. As well as the newspapers that would glamorize them time and time again.

[Zotis]

So I guess your issue is that someone who's drunk can suddenly be sober. I understand how it looks, but this happened to me many times in the past. It can certainly happen from throwing up, but it's not the only reason, and often times it's something suddenly happening. It's an odd thing but sometimes you just snap out of it.

That's not quite my issue. A drunk person can have a moment of sobriety when something important demands their attention, and puking the alcohol out of your system can help you come down a lot, but not to the extent in that scene. Even when they're sitting at the bar drinking and talking they aren't slurring at all, they don't have that glazed look in their eyes, they aren't stumbling, they just don't even seem like they've had 3 or 4 beers let alone 5 whiskies.

[Citizen Rules]

That's not quite my issue. A drunk person can have a moment of sobriety when something important demands their attention, and puking the alcohol out of your system can help you come down a lot, but not to the extent in that scene. Even when they're sitting at the bar drinking and talking they aren't slurring at all, they don't have that glazed look in their eyes, they aren't stumbling, they just don't even seem like they've had 3 or 4 beers let alone 5 whiskies.That's because it's a movie not real life. I don't know why some people choose to relate to movies as if they're real. I think that's why you got so upset over my critical review of Solider Blue. To me a movie is a movie, but to be fair when I watch The Great Silence I will watch with an extra critical eye for any scene or behavior that's not totally believable by my standards and then call it out in my review.

[Wyldesyde19]

That's not quite my issue. A drunk person can have a moment of sobriety when something important demands their attention, and puking the alcohol out of your system can help you come down a lot, but not to the extent in that scene. Even when they're sitting at the bar drinking and talking they aren't slurring at all, they don't have that glazed look in their eyes, they aren't stumbling, they just don't even seem like they've had 3 or 4 beers let alone 5 whiskies.That's because it's a movie not real life. I don't know why some people choose to relate to movies as if they're real. I think that's why you got so upset over my critical review of Solider Blue. To me a movie is a movie, but to be fair when I watch The Great Silence I will watch with an extra critical eye for any scene or behavior that's not totally believable by my standards and then call it out in my review.
This! So much this! True, in some films I do look at certain scenes and reactions and critique them if they’re a tad ludicrous to the point that it flies in the face of common sense, but one must also have a certain suspension of disbelief when watching these. There is a line, after all

[Citizen Rules]

This! So much this! True, in some films I do look at certain scenes and reactions and critique them if they’re a tad ludicrous to the point that it flies in the face of common sense, but one must also have a certain suspension of disbelief when watching these. There is a line, after allI thought there was a lot of honesty in The Ox-Bow Incident. A couple of examples:

When Henry Fonda and Henry Morgan walk into the bar, in most movies the scene would go straight to foreshadowing the events to come. But instead the movie has the two men talking about their awe at the big oil painting above the bar. To me that felt real as it made the moment seem more real. Sort of like the calm before the storm.

When Henry Fonda places a hand on the arm of one of the men on horseback gathering outside of the bar. In most movies we would get a foreshadowing line something like 'remove your hand or I'll remove it for you'...but here it's much more subtle as the man on the horse just looks at Henry Fonda's hand on his arm with a what are you doing look. I thought that was honest too.

And if I must defend the whiskey drinking scene: we all know in westerns that the bars water down the whiskey, so 5 drinks wouldn't equal 5 whiskeys today. And like Cricket said, if someone is drunk then something happens that is threatening, adrenaline is pumped into the blood and adrenaline will counter being drunk as would puking out the alcohol. Not to mention there's different levels of drunk: stinkin' drunk, or walking drunk, or just really buzzed.

[Hey Fredrick]

To me a movie is a movie, but to be fair when I watch The Great Silence I will watch with an extra critical eye for any scene or behavior that's not totally believable by my standards and then call it out in my review.

I'm sure you'll find one. There was a scene in particular that kind of was a bit, ah okay, I'm just gonna go with it.

I think that for most older movies especially you just have to accept that things weren't the way they are now in regards to filmmaking and acting. I used to have trouble watching older movies for that reason. High Noon was the one I always hated because it didn't meet my expectations of realism (the final shootout mostly) but after seeing it again years later and watching a few hundred older movies, it doesn't bother me anymore.

[Wyldesyde19]

This! So much this! True, in some films I do look at certain scenes and reactions and critique them if they’re a tad ludicrous to the point that it flies in the face of common sense, but one must also have a certain suspension of disbelief when watching these. There is a line, after allI thought there was a lot of honesty in The Ox-Bow Incident. A couple of examples:

When Henry Fonda and Henry Morgan walk into the bar, in most movies the scene would go straight to foreshadowing the events to come. But instead the movie has the two men talking about their awe at the big oil painting above the bar. To me that felt real as it made the moment seem more real. Sort of like the calm before the storm.

When Henry Fonda places a hand on the arm of one of the men on horseback gathering outside of the bar. In most movies we would get a foreshadowing line something like 'remove your hand or I'll remove it for you'...but here it's much more subtle as the man on the horse just looks at Henry Fonda's hand on his arm with a what are you doing look. I thought that was honest too.

And if I must defend the whiskey drinking scene: we all know in westerns that the bars water down the whiskey, so 5 drinks wouldn't equal 5 whiskeys today. And like Cricket said, if someone is drunk then something happens that is threatening, adrenaline is pumped into the blood and adrenaline will counter being drunk as would puking out the alcohol. Not to mention there's different levels of drunk: stinkin' drunk, or walking drunk, or just really buzzed.
Right, that’s why I was agreeing with your quote. It’s been a full decade since I’ve seen it, but I remember really liking “Ox Bow” a lot.
I need to rewatch it obviously, but it’s one of the films I put as a front runner the moment I saw it nominated. We’ll see how it holds up on a rewatch. Rio Bravo and The Cowboys may jump ahead, as I’ve never seen them and I may enjoy them a whole lot more, and The Great Silence and The Salvation could surprise me, but When the nominations were released, The Ox Bow and Liberty Valance were the front runners in my opinion.

[Citizen Rules]

This HoF has a LOT of great westerns in it! It's going to be hard for me to rank my voting list.

[Zotis]

That's because it's a movie not real life.

No, it's because the acting is bad.

[Wyldesyde19]

The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

Death and destruction follows in three men’s wake as they each search for a grave that contains buried treasure. Each men, all intimately familiar with each other, draw closer to the gold, they also draw closer to the inevitable clash. That’s the backdrop to TGTBTU, but there’s more to it then that.
Each character has a history and their own motives, but we never really get into it too much, with the exception of Tuco. And it’s brief at that.

But it’s more then just about the characters. It’s about the atmosphere. And the backdrop of a war that’s occurring. Throughout we see a constant theme of punishment, for crimes committed or acts betrayal. There’s a scene where a spy is tied to the front of a train, Angel Eyes (The Bad) being threatened by his superior for crimes he has committed, a thief shot after being forced to carry his own coffin, and a hanging. Even EAstwoods character, Blondie (The Good) isn’t above reproach for his betrayal of Tuco at the beginning. There’s even a scene involving Tuco and his brother, a priest, who is made to feel guilt over him leaving their family.
Each character is panted as well as they can be, with a certain glee with Tuco and an iciness with Angel Eyes, and a quiet determination qby Blondie.
And then there is Ennio Morricone’s great iconic score. The use of horns has always been a staple, and you can hear similarities to his other great score, The Untouchables.

I’ve seen this previously, and thought it was good, not great and a rewatch reaffirms my first opinion. This time I noticed a little bit more. I’m glad it was nominated. It’s worth the rewatch.
3 *’s

[Siddon]

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I watched The Cowboys one a couple days ago and I already forgot most of it...so that's not a good sign. The big problem I have with this film is that it's a coming of age film with a group of characters you never really get to care about. The film does have some strong elements it looks great, and it's a solid heavy in Bruce Dern and I really dug the third act twist (though I think was common in the 70's).

I don't know if I really have that much to say about this one, everything was just kinda fine. I don't know if I'll take anything away from this film perhaps that Bruce Dern was a deeply underused character actor.

[Hey Fredrick]

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Rio Bravo

I'm beginning to become a John Wayne fan. John Wayne is Sheriff John Chance who jails a man accused of murder in his small town. Of course the guy he arrested is the brother of the local Bad Guy who wants him released. Needless to say Sheriff Chance has no interest in releasing the prisoner and plans to hold the accused until the Marshal shows up, 6 days later, to take him off his hands which leaves plenty of time for local bad guy to organize a escape/release plan. It also leaves plenty of time to explore the relationship between Chance and his Deputy Dude (Dean Martin), the sharpshootin' town drunk, and Chance and pro gambler/con woman(?) Feathers (Angie Dickinson).

Rio Bravo is all about the characters. The plot is solid but it's the relationships that make Rio Bravo go. The best is Chance and Dude dealing with Dude's drinking. Think tough love. Dean Martin plays the drunk surprisingly well and it's his scenes with Wayne that are the films strongest. However, Wayne does his best work when paired with Angie Dickinson. It's a love story thingy that I typically ain't a fan of in these kinds of movies but liked it here and I think it's because it wasn't all that sappy and I didn't really object to watching Angie. Plus, Angie really brought out the best in Wayne.

Rounding out Chances' "posse" is Ricky Nelson and Walter Brennan. Ricky Nelson... eh. He plays Colorado, an employee of the murdered man who becomes part of Chances' crew, a hired gun. He doesn't do much and my guess is he was in it just to draw in the teeny bopper crowd of the 50's. Brennan meanwhile is Stumpy, the comic relief who's prone to a shoot first mentality especially if you're getting anywhere near the jail. I initially enjoyed Stumpy but the more he was on screen the more annoying he became.

One final thought. I really would like to see this again because it was only available on DVD from NF. Really NF? It's 2020. Drop $9.99 and grab a blu ray from that jungle of a warehouse. The copy I received wasn't the best and my set up doesn't work all that well with dvd's anyway so it looked pretty doo-doo and sounded worse (constant buzzing) and I'm pretty confident that on blu ray this would look and sound great. Still, even with the dvd shortcomings this was very good.

[Siddon]

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The Shooting is an independent western from the late sixties early seventies.When I was watching this I felt like I was watching an old Twilight Zone episode padded out to feature length runtime...and that's not a bad thing. We open with a murder, and we have a small cast of four each one having their own back story that's implied but not really expanded on.



I'm not sure I agree with the early ideas that Nicholson and Perkins are bad actors I think they are supposed to be cypher's. It did take a little while to get going for me but I'm okay with that when dealing with a Western. The value in a film like this is it leaves you with things to think about. Good nomination.