Your pick to win the Super Bowl this year

[TONGO]

I was thinking the Texans but they got bumped off yesterday, so I'm going out on a limb and say the Indianapolis Colts - WAR ANDREW LUCK !!!!


I doubt anyone will say K.C. or New England. Just kidding.

[Yoda]

Saints.

[cricket]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K2I2vCZqvaqoE/giphy.gif

[rauldc14]

I think it's going to be the Chiefs.

Saints is a bit too obvious. And honestly Tom ain't winning another

But it would be cool to see him lose another Super Bowl and join Jim Kelly.

[cricket]

I think it's going to be the Chiefs.

Saints is a bit too obvious. And honestly Tom ain't winning another

But it would be cool to see him lose another Super Bowl and join Jim Kelly.

A winner can't join someone who's never won;)

[cricket]

But seriously winning in KC is a tough task and NO has it all.

[cricket]

Although NE has the best record against playoff teams, 4-0.

[rauldc14]

A winner can't join someone who's never won;)

He can become a part of the 4 super bowl loss club although technically Kelly only lost 3 since he was injured one year.

[TONGO]

So who is the better QB? Drew Brees or Tom Brady? Ya better believe though if the Colts win it all this year then Andrew Luck will be considered John Wayne 2.0.

[cricket]

He can become a part of the 4 super bowl loss club although technically Kelly only lost 3 since he was injured one year.

That's like trying to disparage Meryl Streep because she didn't win so many times when she was nominated.

[cricket]

So who is the better QB? Drew Brees or Tom Brady? Ya better believe though if the Colts win it all this year then Andrew Luck will be considered John Wayne 2.0.

Brees played much better this year, although he's always had the advantage of playing in a high percentage of dome games.

[rauldc14]

That's like trying to disparage Meryl Streep because she didn't win so many times when she was nominated.

Well, I do that too.

[cricket]

It's always better to make it to the big show and lose than it is to lose prior or not make it to the playoffs.

[TONGO]

Colts - TONGO

Patriots - Cricket

Saints - Yoda

Chiefs - rauldc14

I'm keeping track but will not send the winner $200 ;)

[cricket]

The Colts and Chargers are playing as good as anyone and it seems like Philly is just now peaking. Who knows?

[seanc]

I have no stake this year and since I really like that Rams team I will go out on that limb. I know they are young but Saints Pats will be so boring.

[rauldc14]

Eagles will get blown out of that dome next week.

[seanc]

Eagles will get blown out of that dome next week.

Agreed, their secondary is pretty weak.

[Yoda]

BTW, I'll take "The Field" over any one team. Saints are just the one team I'm picking if forced to choose. Chiefs are my second choice.

I'll be genuinely surprised if one of the bigger favorites doesn't make it, but beyond that, feels like more of a crap shoot than usual.

[rauldc14]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Colts beat the Chiefs and then the Patriots get the easy road like they did last year with the Jags (although the Jags should have beat them).

[Yoda]

Yeah, neither AFC upset would shock me. Both NFC ones would, though.

[cricket]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Colts beat the Chiefs and then the Patriots get the easy road like they did last year with the Jags (although the Jags should have beat them).

How do you know that's the easy road? The Colts are playing better than the Chiefs are right now, and if they were to win, wouldn't that mean something?

[Yoda]

You don't know it's the easy road, and you won't ever be able to prove a counterfactual, but even leaving aside that the Chiefs are likely a better team, they'd get to play the Colts at home. That's reason enough.

[cricket]

You don't know it's the easy road, and you won't ever be able to prove a counterfactual, but even leaving aside that the Chiefs are likely a better team, they'd get to play the Colts at home. That's reason enough.

They would get the home game, but they'd be playing the much hotter team and the team that just beat the other.

[Yoda]

Historically I'm pretty sure "hotter" hasn't actually correlated with playoff success. And of course they'll be playing the team that just beat the other either way. The results of one game aren't especially dispositive, anyway, as to who the better team actually is.

I think the line on a KC game would either be in KC's favor, or closer than an IND line. The home field advantage settles this by itself, I think, even if you actually want to make the case that Indy is even as good.

[cricket]

KC certainly looks more formidable, but they no longer have Kareem Hunt, have a terrible defense, have a young QB making his first playoff start, and the Colts have won 11 of 12. I mean yes they're hotter, but over the last half of the season, they've been better.

[TONGO]

Colts - TONGO

Patriots - Cricket

Saints - Yoda

Chiefs - rauldc14

Rams - seanc

[Cyberpunk]

Who Dat!

[Yoda]

If someone wants to argue Indy is as dangerous, hey, they might be. But it's pretty hard to make the case that they're not just as dangerous, but moreso, and more dangerous enough that you'd give up home field to avoid them.

[cricket]

I'm hoping they go to KC, but I admit it's not because I think that's their best chance. They had home field and Belichicken gave it up just like 2015.

[cricket]

IF they beat LA

[Sedai]

NE PATRIOTS!

[rauldc14]

There is no Pat fan that wouldn't think Indy would be easier to beat than KC, hot streaks or not.

[mojofilter]

Saints

[cricket]

There is no Pat fan that wouldn't think Indy would be easier to beat than KC, hot streaks or not.

Think that now yes, but not if Indy rolls in there and gives KC a beating, not that I think it'll happen.

[TONGO]

Colts - TONGO

Patriots - Cricket, Sedai

Saints - Yoda, mojofilter, Cyberpunk

Chiefs - rauldc14

Rams - seanc

[TONGO]

Whoever is right on their guess to win the Super Bowl will get the most coveted rarity of all.........

[TONGO]

Oh I almost forgot - poor Cody Parkey! The NFL is saying it's a blocked kick now. Never thought the Eagles would get past the Bears, and was wrong on the outcome of every game this past weekend. That Bears loss was the most shocking elimination though.

[TONGO]

Colts lose to the Chiefs, and Rams beat the Cowboys. Both results actually surprised me, and I haven't been right yet on a playoff outcome. My pick (the Colts) got eliminated.
Oh yeah! That was why I stopped writing up weekly predictions in the Fantasy Football league. :laugh:

[TONGO]

Testing something........I'm picking the Saints to beat the Eagles, and the Patriots to beat the Chargers.

[cricket]

I usually have a good feeling on the Pats but not today. I wouldn't be surprised if it were a close or convincing win by either team.

[TONGO]

I usually have a good feeling on the Pats but not today. I wouldn't be surprised if it were a close or convincing win by either team.


I turned off the game when there was 6:30 left in the 2nd quarter. I dont think you have anything to worry about. Isnt San Diegos defense normally better than this?

[cricket]

I turned off the game when there was 6:30 left in the 2nd quarter. I dont think you have anything to worry about. Isnt San Diegos defense normally better than this?

Supposedly

[Yoda]

Eh, decent by the really broad stats like yards and points, but their strengths and weaknesses don't match up particularly well. They don't blitz, and getting pressure on Brady is key. Similarly, they like zone, but Brady's better against zone, especially at this age. They should be bringing extra guys and daring Brady to beat them deep. It's kinda nuts that they kept going with their seven-defensive-back set given all that, especially when one of their safeties went down.

One would assume they'd toss that out at halftime, but it doesn't matter when it's already dug a hole this deep.

[Yoda]

Saints.
I like how PW just now repped me for this, with Philly up 14-0. :D

My uncle's a big Saints fan and I like Brees, but it's hard not to root for Philly. What a story.

[Powdered Water]

40 playoff games for Belichik now. There's a pretty long list of guys who never even coached 40 games much less made the playoffs. Even if Brady were to lose the Superbowl this year it would give you pause to think of just how many times he's been there. Crazy run these guys have had. Probably gonna happen too. KC will be favored but not by much. They have everything to lose and the Pats got all this experience. Why would a Saints/Patriots game be bad? I think that's the best the NFL has to offer. The Philly story is pretty great too tho, we'll see if it lasts.

[Yoda]

So, with the five teams left, every matchup combination has interesting storylines, particularly with the two young QBs and two old ones possibly in their last hurrah. Those all work, and Foles works with any of them.

I think it'd be hard to top Rams-Chiefs given their last meeting, though. I wanna see that over-under.

Re: KC. Yeah, it's been years since I tried to guess lines with any seriousness, but what's that gonna be? KC -1, maybe? Something close enough that home field is assumed to make the difference.

[Yoda]

Just checked after posting that, one place is opening KC -3. Still within that home field range, but obviously a little higher than I'd have guessed.

[Powdered Water]

Yeah, 3's your standard home field and then it will shrink a bit a the week goes on prolly. Philly lookin pretty good!

[Daniel M]

Watching the Eagles game myself. Not a massive NFL fan but I do like it and try and watch it when I can. Started watching it properly last year and supported them purely because of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia so it was amazing to see them win the superbowl. Missed the beginning of this season but watched the last few games and it's been great fun again :D

[Powdered Water]

Eagles may have just lost two of their best D-lineman. Ouch

[cricket]

This looks like it'll easily be the best game of the weekend, although there isn't much competition in that regard.

[cricket]

The Pats had been the favorite in 67 straight games.

[TONGO]

7:31 left in 3rd qtr
Eagles 14
Saints 10
And the Saints just lost a touchdown to a penalty. Momentum definitely seems to be going New Orleans way though.

[TONGO]

Oh my....

Sunday could be the coldest game in K.C. history

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/forecast-arctic-blast-hit-kansas-city-afc-championship-game-230241402.html

[Holden Pike]

From midway through the season, even before the 54-51 Monday Night video game, everything seemed to be pointing to a Rams vs. Chiefs Super Bowl. The second halves of each of their seasons after that crazy game were less juggernauty, but they still seem like the most dynamic and interesting two squads in the game. Also from the about the mid-point of the season it looked as though the only two contenders to really knock either of those teams off their respective perches were the Saints and the Patriots, save some incredible post-season defensive runs by the likes of a Bears or Ravens team. And alas, here we are, as scripted. No surprises.

I'd still like to see the Rams and Chiefs again, even if I would definitely take the under on another 100 points in the Super Bowl rematch. But if the Patriots do get past Kansas City it would at least be fun to root for New England to lose in back-to-back Super Bowls. If it winds up being New Orleans and New England, I like most of the country would be rooting for Brees to triumph one more time and put a little chink in the Patriots legacy.

But here's to the script continuing to play out and we get the Rams and Chiefs.

[cricket]

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Hall of Fame QB Len Dawson after losing the first Super Bowl

[Velvet]

Rams v Pats

Rams win 35-31

[Powdered Water]

It feels like a chunk of you think the Rams are gonna have an easier time knocking off the Saints on the road then the Pats would in KC. I feel the opposite. West coast teams have staggeringly bad records going east but I get why they are kinda a chic pick. Gonna be a tough game for the Rams tho. Drew Brees is winning the Superbowl this year. "Mark it Dude."



KC on the other hand is gonna have all sorts of problems with the Pats. I know a bunch of you can't stand the Pats and that's fine but ya gotta respect what they've done. There once was a time not too terribly long ago when the Pats were the absolute worst team in the league and then they went to a Superbowl and played one of the greatest Teams in NFL history and lost in a rout. Ever since that day I've been watching them and I respect what their franchise has done. It took Seattle A LOT longer than the Pats to get there. Fans are nuts tho. And if the Pats really do lose 2 Superbowls in a row then I know fans will say they all failed... again! But not me. Not me. Hat's off to your team and how you mange to get here year after year.

[Sedai]

Sill picking the Pats here, but I think Holden probably has it right in his forecast. I also agree that in this season more than others, there have been pretty much no surprises.

[Velvet]

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Hall of Fame QB Len Dawson after losing the first Super Bowl


God I love this photo :)

[Powdered Water]

Well thanks for that... I think.

[cricket]

These playoff games are hard enough to pick with the spread and now these two look like toss ups straight up. I would tend to favor the home team in each case but I wouldn't bet on either.

The Rams are in trouble if it boils down to Brees vs Goff so they'll continue to try to run. NO has the #1 rush defense but they just lost their best D lineman for the season, and the stat could be a little deceiving since many teams have abandoned the run to play catch up. If the Rams can run like they did last week, they'll have a great chance, and the line has gone down to 3 which is an ominous sign for NO. I think the Ram's loss of their best receiver hurts them in this game, especially with NO having a shut down corner. This makes it less risky to put an extra man up front to help control the run. I think the Saints win.

NE is in a very usual position for them as they are healthier than they've been all year and healthier than past years at this point in the season. They played their best game of the year last week, and in retrospect it was a very good matchup for them. The key to beating the Pats has always been to pressure Brady, but without blitzing because he's the best ever against it. SD needed their two great edge rushers, Ingram and Bosa, to have a dominating game. The problem is that they're edge rushers, so even if they were effective, Brady excels at stepping up in the pocket. KC has a terrible defense in general, but they've actually been quite good at home. The biggest advantage of having home field translates to the defensive line because with the crowd noise, they can get a jump on the snap count. KC probably has the loudest stadium along with Denver and Seattle. The big problem for NE is that KC's pressure comes right up the middle, and Brady does not have the ability to escape laterally. NE's O line will need to play as good as they did last week and be extra disciplined. If KC doesn't get to the QB, they will definitely change things up unlike SD. I think you can mix in a well timed blitz against this season's Patriots because they lack explosive playmakers. I would expect to see a lot more of Cordarrelle Patterson who was practically invisible last week. The Pats have been trying to set up the pass with the run, but I think this week they will try to set up the run with the pass. Much more than KC, they have to play a great game which will be difficult to do two weeks in a row. On the other hand, KC really doesn't have to because they are so explosive. For this reason I give the edge to the Chiefs.

[Holden Pike]

I think I'm rooting for The Rams, but as long as The Patriots don't win it all, I'm good.

[cricket]

I'm rooting for the Patriots because I'm a great American.

[cricket]

If it winds up being New Orleans and New England, I like most of the country would be rooting for Brees to triumph one more time and put a little chink in the Patriots legacy.

It always cracks me up how the haters grasp at straws. Perhaps I could see that if they had lost last weekend as the home favorite, but if this team makes the Super Bowl it will be a great accomplishment. Even a defeat would only enhance their legacy. There are 28 other fan bases who wish their teams were playing right now, regardless if they were to lose their next game. Of course there are those who will point out any negative that they can, but that is just bitterness.

[TONGO]

It always cracks me up how the haters grasp at straws. Perhaps I could see that if they had lost last weekend as the home favorite, but if this team makes the Super Bowl it will be a great accomplishment. Even a defeat would only enhance their legacy. There are 28 other fan bases who wish their teams were playing right now, regardless if they were to lose their next game. Of course there are those who will point out any negative that they can, but that is just bitterness.

Poor Patriots.

lol! Yeah right Dude, I simply don't like them because 10 years ago or so they kept running the score up on teams that had no chance of winning. Simply cruel, and of course there's the cheating scandal"s".
Bradys a great QB and maybe in the top 10 of all time. The greatest? No. Just isn't. The New England Patriots may be the greatest football dynasty of all time though. The Steelers, 49rs, and Cowboys couldn't maintain this level of success as long as NE has. Hard to argue otherwise .

[cricket]

Poor Patriots.

I never say poor Patriots, I say poor people who let emotion cloud their minds.

Bradys a great QB and maybe in the top 10 of all time. The greatest? No. Just isn't.

Silly and you don't even have a case. Many call him the greatest football player period, and some call him the greatest player ever in team sports.

The New England Patriots may be the greatest football dynasty of all time though. The Steelers, 49rs, and Cowboys couldn't maintain this level of success as long as NE has. Hard to argue otherwise .

You're right, very hard to argue, especially with the evolution of the salary cap rules. And I'm sure you also hate those other teams due to their "cheating scandals".

[Yoda]

I haven't watched the Saints a ton this year, but watching them today, I have no idea how Brees is this mobile at 40 years old. And not just mobile, but quick.

[cricket]

I haven't watched the Saints a ton this year, but watching them today, I have no idea how Brees is this mobile at 40 years old. And not just mobile, but quick.

Because he's little, plays in a dome, and doesn't get sacked much.



Still not as quick as Brady:hogan:

[Powdered Water]

"We're gonna play until we get an actual winner." Actual quote I just heard Joe Buck make. Why he makes the big bucks, I assume.

[Yoda]

Because he's little, plays in a dome, and doesn't get sacked much.
Being shorter ought to come with some advantages. He seems to have just kept himself in ridiculous shape, too, though. It's not that he moves well for a 40-year-old, he moves well for any QB, which is bananas.

The sack difference isn't all that pronounced; it comes out to less than half a sack a game against the all-time active leaders.

Still not as quick as Brady:hogan:
I'm going to assume this is facetious.

[Yoda]

Gonna feel awful for the Saints if they lose after those two no calls.

[TONGO]

Wow. :eek: Not upset that the Rams are going to the Super Bowl, but I feel the wrong team won today.

[Powdered Water]

It feels like a chunk of you think the Rams are gonna have an easier time knocking off the Saints on the road then the Pats would in KC. I feel the opposite. West coast teams have staggeringly bad records going east but I get why they are kinda a chic pick. Gonna be a tough game for the Rams tho. Drew Brees is winning the Superbowl this year. "Mark it Dude."






Remember this guy? Yeah baby! I can pick games like no one ever. So maybe KC wins too then? :laugh:

[cricket]

Yea I don't like to blame the refs but I was rooting for the Saints after those 2 blatant PI's weren't called, just for justice.

[Yoda]

Same guy, too! The first didn't feel too awful, it was close. Also wasn't so clearly a "make the call and they win" situation like that second one was.

Such a bummer. I like Brees, for one, and my uncle is a huge Saints fan for another. And they just played better today, I thought. And were more likely to give us a better game in the Super Bowl against either opponent. Sad way for it to end.

[Powdered Water]

Wow. :eek: Not upset that the Rams are going to the Super Bowl, but I feel the wrong team won today.


Well I'm a little upset. F*ck the Rams. One day they're in St. Louis. One day they're in Los Angeles. One day they're in St. Louis... then they're in Los Angeles again... pick a city already. They don't even have cool helmets anymore.

[Yoda]

The inevitable high-quality GIF will be better, but this is halfway around the Internet already:

51090

[cricket]

Risky FG attempt and he nailed it. If he missed there the Saints are 1 first down from their own winning FG.

[TONGO]

YES !!! THAT WAS AWESOME !!!!! Chiefs take the lead lol !!!

[TONGO]

Bah, overturned. What a gyp.

[TONGO]

There! That won't get overturned. Chiefs take the lead.

[Yoda]

TONGO: too quick, or psychic?

[seanc]

Go Chefs

[TONGO]

Too quick.

groan !!!

I so hope the St Angeles Rams upset New England.

[cricket]

Too quick.

groan !!!

I so hope the St Angeles Rams upset New England.

Come on, root for America's team;)

[Yoda]

St Angeles Rams
4 :up:

[cricket]

This will be New England's first Super Bowl since 2018. I should no better than to get a new avatar days before the AFC championship game.

[Sedai]

Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...

https://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/21/6/bill-belichick-star-wars-paul-howe-illustration-ftr_6qm3948u5cqq100bt263uaiz7.jpg?w=1920&h=1080&quality=100

[TONGO]

Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...

https://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/21/6/bill-belichick-star-wars-paul-howe-illustration-ftr_6qm3948u5cqq100bt263uaiz7.jpg?w=1920&h=1080&quality=100

"Help us Obi-Wan Toddgurley, you're our only hope!"

Are the Patriots strong against the run? I sure hope not.

[cricket]

Are the Patriots strong against the run? I sure hope not.

They were not this year, although it's been more with the shifty type backs rather than the power backs that the Rams will feature.

[rauldc14]

I predict New England wins. Too bad Tom Brady's insane 9 super bowls will only tie the Steelers record of 6 Super Bowls total won for their franchise.

I also predict they don't make Super Bowl for at least 15 years after this.

[TONGO]

When Joe Montana left San Francisco he took Kansas City to the AFC Championship game his first year. Peyton Manning left Indianapolis and won another Super Bowl with Denver. It would never happen but if Brady left New England to play for another team he'd be exposed. Best player to ever play team sports?!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7iS2IYzAXVA

I don't think so. :D

[Yoda]

Best player to ever play team sports?!
"Ahem."
51093

[cricket]

When Joe Montana left San Francisco he took Kansas City to the AFC Championship game his first year. Peyton Manning left Indianapolis and won another Super Bowl with Denver. It would never happen but if Brady left New England to play for another team he'd be exposed. Best player to ever play team sports?!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7iS2IYzAXVA

I don't think so. :D

I don't think you understand what makes a great QB. Yesterday was the perfect example of why he's the best even though he made some mistakes. Nobody controls the game the way that he does, and you saw that in the first half. The announcers did a good job of pointing out some of the little things, like changing the play to a run. These are overlooked aspects of playing the position and nobody does it better. Sure it's fun to watch a guy run around and heave it deep, but that's not controlling the game. Then in the 4th quarter when they need to score quick, he does that too. I think it was Montana they used to call the comeback king with his amount of 4th quarter comebacks. Brady is not usually losing because of how he controls the game, but when he is, the percentage of coming back is off the charts. He's more likely to win than lose when he's trailing. I wouldn't call him the greatest player ever in team sports but he's definitely in the discussion. Greatest football player ever-probably. Greatest QB-easily.

[cricket]

I predict New England wins. Too bad Tom Brady's insane 9 super bowls will only tie the Steelers record of 6 Super Bowls total won for their franchise.

I also predict they don't make Super Bowl for at least 15 years after this.

And before they played the Chargers you confidently stated that Brady would never win another ring. Of course that post is gone;)

And I like how you compare Brady's run to the history of another franchise lol

[Yoda]

Good ol' crick, always takes the bait.

[seanc]

I didn't think anyone hated NE more than me but the Brady hate this year has me defending them. The records surrounding this dynasty are astounding. I don't know how football fans can deny them with a straight face.

[cricket]

I always hated the Yankees but I respected what they did. I even feel like Derek Jeter is the best player I've ever seen, and it's because of the little things and the big moments.

[Powdered Water]

As I get older I feel like I can put some of my fanatical hatreds into better perspective and I'm able to put it into words a lot better. There are still a lot of times when I wonder why I even am a sports fan... but I guess that's just part of being a fan, eh?

[Yoda]

Yeah, I really don't understand how anyone gets worked up about this stuff. I kinda did when I was younger, but that faded pretty quick. I assume it got easier for both of us when we got to experience a Super Bowl victory, but I'm pretty sure I'd have chilled out regardless. I get happy when my local teams do well, but man, I can't imagine getting mad when they don't, or deriving any self-esteem from their success.

Re: Jeter. He's pretty comically overrated (especially on defense), but most of the disagreements about players like him just go back to whether or not you think the postseason is the ultimate arbiter of skill/determiner of greatness, or largely random.

I don't know how football fans can deny them with a straight face.
If you mean the people who try to pretend they haven't been really good, yeah, that's just rhetorical overcompensation (which is rife on all sides of these arguments). More interesting to try to parse how good and figure out which factors are most responsible, which isn't entirely answerable but is still fun to analyze.

[jiraffejustin]

I predict the Patriots win by one tenth of a point that they somehow score in the last one tenth of a second in overtime because Tom Brady

[Powdered Water]

Still think Saint/Pats would be a better game. I would watch some of that to see if Brees was gonna get a second ring. I probably won't catch too much of this one. It might be a close game but if the Rams make one or two mistakes Brady will get ahead early and it may be a blowout. The Rams had to be rooting for KC a little bit instead of dealing with these guys.

[Yoda]

KC-LA was definitely the most exciting potential matchup, given how the last one went.

I think the Saints would've posed a bigger problem for either AFC team, too, which just adds to the bummer of them losing the way they did. The Rams seem a little scattered. Wouldn't shock me if they just get totally out-game-planned in a couple of weeks.

[Powdered Water]

Man that Sony Michel kid looks good. I doubt I'll be able to scoop him up late in a draft next season for FFB.

[Yoda]

He's young enough, and football player names are often silly enough, that I legitimately don't know whether he was named after the Playstation or not.

[chawhee]

First time this playoffs where I'll bet against the Patriots.

[Velvet]

And all the sudden people think the patriots are unbeatable. Either there "trash" or "too good".

[Sedai]

Stay Classy KC Fans! (https://sports.yahoo.com/did-fan-shine-laser-pointer-232154926.html?fbclid=IwAR0Xx7weOgoWHcQmUe4SWrG_KbJjqD8kIyHjo7-eoHrCsNE5PDVEj4-wigI)

[7thson]

I actually think the no call is karma coming back to bite them (Saints) in the ass after the Steelers game. They get a call for a non existent PI in the end zone on a 4th and 1 which definitely screwed Pittsburg so it is fitting in my book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVywG4X21lM

Bad calls are part of the game and of course fans of the screwed team are going to complain, I know I do.

Still it is nice to not have to hear all the "Who Dat going Bowling" down hear in the south anymore. We have more Saints fans here in Pensacola than we do any Florida team because on the panhandle we are only like a 4 hour drive away from the Big Easy.

Anyway I got ragged on by the Saints fans when they beat the Steelers so in true fan form I have raggethed back :).

[Powdered Water]

Football fans are the worst. I try not to be that guy but I am that guy. Its a weird line.

Velvet Great Avatar... 👍

[Velvet]

Football fans are the worst. I try not to be that guy but I am that guy. Its a weird line.

Velvet Great Avatar... 👍

bless you

[TONGO]

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Ah you beat me up to the punch! Was just gonna post this :) Honestly Brady probably is a better QB than what I think, but "best ever" or even better than Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, or Aaron Rodgers?! Hell no. The MAIN reason NE has reigned is because of Bruce Bellichik, the man coached his team to the playoffs the season Brady broke his leg and didn't play. There's no way the Saints, Colts, or Packers could flourish without their star QB. Just my opinion, no need to respond Cricket ;)

[7thson]

Ah you beat me up to the punch! Was just gonna post this :) Honestly Brady probably is a better QB than what I think, but "best ever" or even better than Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, or Aaron Rodgers?! Hell no. The MAIN reason NE has reigned is because of Bruce Bellichik, the man coached his team to the playoffs the season Brady broke his leg and didn't play. There's no way the Saints, Colts, or Packers could flourish without their star QB. Just my opinion, no need to respond Cricket ;)

I agree. Coaches definitely are a catalyst on how great a QB can be, just as other star players. I would put Manning up against Brady any day with everything else being even. Brady definitely has consistency and love him or hate him he is one of the greats. The greatest? What criteria are we using? If stats, what stats? Anyway its an age old debate and whether you use wins, super bowls, TDs, etc... He is definitely up there. I still hate him though as a rival I mean, not the man personally. (It is a love to hate thing though).

[Velvet]

Honestly Brady probably is a better QB than what I think, but "best ever" or even better than Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, or Aaron Rodgers?! Hell no.

Brees I agree with but putting Luck up there is plain wrong.

[Sedai]

Sorry to confuse everyone with cold, hard facts...but Brady is the best ever!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/c9/1e/8ec91ef0597de37e69540128a460274d.jpg

[Velvet]

top 5

[Sedai]

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[Yoda]

Ah yes, W-L record. Which is why the scoreboard says Brady 37 - Chiefs 31. ;)

But seriously, as 7th alluded to, when people say someone is the best they're really just stating which things they've decided to care about more than others.

[Velvet]

most of those stats relate to the Patriots being good more than Brady individually. Also the Pass TD stat isn't fair as Montana played much less games.

[Velvet]

Manning, Brees, Brady, Unitas, Montana.

[Sedai]

I will just skip on over to argument from authority, which is only a logical fallacy when not talking about Tom Brady. ;)

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[Sedai]

most of those stats relate to the Patriots being good more than Brady individually. Also the Pass TD stat isn't fair as Montana played much less games.

I would posit that Brady's dedication to physical health and stamina are part of why he the best of all time. Let's name all the QBs that have played at the level he has for as long as he has...


List Below:

Tom Brady
???

[Velvet]

drew brees

[Sedai]

I like Brees a whole lot, and it's a damned shame it won't be Brees vs Brady in the Super Bowl.

OK, I will add Brees to the list...

List Below:

Tom Brady
Drew Brees
???

[Velvet]

Manning

[Yoda]

We're essentially in the first generation of QBs capable of playing at a high level into their late 30s, so all these guys are physical pioneers. The list'll be a lot longer going forward.

I remember when Roethsliberger (who might be on it in a few years himself) burst onto the scene, I specifically thought "well, I guess we get 10 years of this" because at the time basically none of these guys remained elite into even their mid-30s. Now it's kinda the norm.

[Sedai]

Manning

Didn't play as long, and he looked like **** at the end (admittedly he had a bad neck injury to deal with). Great QB though, with an amazing football IQ and was pretty much an offensive coordinator playing QB.

[Velvet]

its not like he threw for 5400 yards and 55 td's in one of his last seasons :rolleyes:

[Siddon]

I would posit that Brady's dedication to physical health and stamina are part of why he the best of all time. Let's name all the QBs that have played at the level he has for as long as he has...



Tom Brady was a system QB/Game Manager who benefited greatly from the 78' rules changes and playing in a lesser conference. Never during his entire run as QB would he be my first pick at QB and if you put him on the Browns he would have been out in a season.



1. Johnny Unitas
2. Peyton Manning
3. Fran Tarkenton
4. Brett Favre
5. Joe Montana
6. John Elway
7. Sammy Baugh
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Drew Brees
10. Dan Marino
11. Bart Starr
12. Tom Brady
13. Vinny Testaverde
14. Dan Fouts
15. Terry Bradshaw
16. Steve Young
17. Warren Moon
18. Otto Graham
19. Troy Aikman
20. Sid Luckman

[Velvet]

why you dissing the browns when there good now??d

[Sedai]

Tom Brady was a system QB/Game Manager who benefited greatly from the 78' rules changes and playing in a lesser conference. Never during his entire run as QB would he be my first pick at QB and if you put him on the Browns he would have been out in a season.



1. Johnny Unitas
2. Peyton Manning
3. Fran Tarkenton
4. Brett Favre
5. Joe Montana
6. John Elway
7. Sammy Baugh
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Drew Brees
10. Dan Marino
11. Bart Starr
12. Tom Brady
13. Vinny Testaverde
14. Dan Fouts
15. Terry Bradshaw
16. Steve Young
17. Warren Moon
18. Otto Graham
19. Troy Aikman
20. Sid Luckman

I edited your quote a bit:

"Peyton Manning was a system QB/Game Manager who benefited greatly from the 78' rules changes and playing in a lesser conference."

Hopefully that highlights how ridiculous that statement is.

"Mel Blount doesn't play anymore, so now QB's have it easy."

I can play, too!

It was certainly a different game back then, but all games evolve, as do the players. Oh, you forgot Y.A. Tittle and Jones, too. I mean, why not include them if you are slotting guys like Tarkenton?

F. Tarkenton

TD–INT: 342–266
Passing yards: 47,003
Completion percentage: 57.0
Passer rating: 80.4

I know, I know...more stats! I guess we should be some other metric, like whether or not we like the team colors, or which guy had a cooler muscle car in 1976. ;)

[seanc]

Would have been out in a season, 12th best QB of all-time? Any list with Testevarde on it is out the window for me. Watched him for way too long. Probably one of my least favorite QB that hung around as a starter for any period of time.

I swear I'm not running around threads looking to pick an argument with you BTW Siddon. :)

[Siddon]

I edited your quote a bit:

"Peyton Manning was a system QB/Game Manager who benefited greatly from the 78' rules changes and playing in a lesser conference."



Which system would that be..he won and competed at the highest level on three different teams.



F. Tarkenton

TD–INT: 342–266
Passing yards: 47,003
Completion percentage: 57.0
Passer rating: 80.4

I know, I know...more stats! I guess we should be some other metric, like whether or not we like the team colors, or which guy had a cooler muscle car in 1976. ;)


It was much harder to play the game back then. Hard to credit a guys "numbers" when I believe 50% of the top guys and also top statistical guys.

[Siddon]

Would have been out in a season, 12th best QB of all-time? Any list with Testevarde on it is out the window for me. Watched him for way too long. Probably one of my least favorite QB that hung around as a starter for any period of time.

I swear I'm not running around threads looking to pick an argument with you BTW Siddon. :)


They went to a superbowl without him and he would have a sub WAR if they actually counted that stuff

[seanc]

They went to a superbowl without him and he would have a sub WAR if they actually counted that stuff

You mean before he arrived?

I would love to hear why you rank Testaverde so high

[Siddon]

You mean before he arrived?

I would love to hear why you rank Testaverde so high


Matt Cassell 11-5
Jimmy Garoppolo (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&q=Jimmy+Garoppolo&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwictYLG4YTgAhUqxVkKHXKFAhkQkeECCCsoAA&biw=1292&bih=616)3-1


He put together a Hall of Fame resume playing for the Bucs, Browns, and Jets and he almost won the MVP with the Ravens.


If Vinny was with the Patriots they would have won 3 SB's in a row and they wouldn't have needed to completely revamp the wide receiving core every five years.

[seanc]

Matt Cassell 11-5
Jimmy Garoppolo (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&q=Jimmy+Garoppolo&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwictYLG4YTgAhUqxVkKHXKFAhkQkeECCCsoAA&biw=1292&bih=616)3-1


He put together a Hall of Fame resume playing for the Bucs, Browns, and Jets and he almost won the MVP with the Ravens.


If Vinny was with the Patriots they would have won 3 SB's in a row and they wouldn't have needed to completely revamp the wide receiving core every five years.

He missed one year and they missed the playoffs. I think you could make an argument he has one elite receiver his whole time there. Yeah, the system is great but Brady runs it perfectly. Anyhow, I could never square saying a guy would be out of the league with a bad team while still calling him the 12th best ever. You are contradicting your argument.

I am going to go out on a limb and say you aren't old enough to have watched Testaverde and are going by stats. He was an interception machine. In the offenses today he would have been throwing 35 a year.

[John McClane]

I've got $100 on the team that scores the most points...

[cricket]

its not like he threw for 5400 yards and 55 td's in one of his last seasons :rolleyes:

And the peds were for his wife lol

[cricket]

Tom Brady was a system QB/Game Manager who benefited greatly from the 78' rules changes

Every QB plays in a system. In this case, which system are you referring to since he's played in more than one?

and playing in a lesser conference.

You mean the conference which has more Super Bowl wins since Brady took over?

Never during his entire run as QB would he be my first pick at QB and if you put him on the Browns he would have been out in a season.

Hahahaha spoken like someone who doesn't have any idea.

[cricket]

Matt Cassell 11-5
Jimmy Garoppolo (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&q=Jimmy+Garoppolo&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwictYLG4YTgAhUqxVkKHXKFAhkQkeECCCsoAA&biw=1292&bih=616)3-1

Cassell the guy who went on to make a pro bowl with KC and lead them to their first division title in several years; yet when he played for the Pats they lost 5 games more than the year before.

Jimmy G? See that contract he went on to sign? Here in Boston, there's some idiots who say trade Kyrie Irving because Terry Rozier and the Celtics do well in his absence. It's very common in sports for teams to step up when their best player misses time. There's an endless list of examples.

If Vinny was with the Patriots they would have won 3 SB's in a row and they wouldn't have needed to completely revamp the wide receiving core every five years.

Vinny pretty much sucked.

[Yoda]

Pretty sure I pointed out this out the last time you said it, but "lost 5 games more than the year before" is some pretty blatant spin, given that they went undefeated the year before and were going to drop a few more the year after even under the best of circumstances.

[cricket]

Pretty sure I pointed out this out the last time you said it, but "lost 5 games more than the year before" is some pretty blatant spin, given that they went undefeated the year before and were going to drop a few more the year after even under the best of circumstances.

Sure most likely but I'll tell you what the big difference was and you'd probably have to have been following them to know this. When Brady plays, they are always a threat for the Super Bowl. That year, they were a threat to nobody. It was completely different and you could tell by watching them.

[cricket]

The Giants won with Jeff Hostetler. Are people going to say oh well maybe Phil Simms wasn't that good? It's an idiotic point to even make. Teams step up when stars miss time and it happens in every sport.

[seanc]

I'm on your side, for once ;), Cricket. That won 5 less games then the year before line almost made me spit laugh though. You have a little politician in you after all.

[jiraffejustin]

Tom Brady might be the best QB of all-time and Belispellcheck his last name for me might be the best coach of all-time. Both of those things can be true, and their greatness individually fed the other one's greatness and made him even better. Yeah, Brady kisses his sons on the mouth, but like my favorite crazy person says: name one genius that ain't crazy.

[jiraffejustin]

Tom Brady was a system QB/Game Manager who benefited greatly from the 78' rules changes and playing in a lesser conference. Never during his entire run as QB would he be my first pick at QB and if you put him on the Browns he would have been out in a season.



1. Johnny Unitas
2. Peyton Manning
3. Fran Tarkenton
4. Brett Favre
5. Joe Montana
6. John Elway
7. Sammy Baugh
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Drew Brees
10. Dan Marino
11. Bart Starr
12. Tom Brady
13. Vinny Testaverde
14. Dan Fouts
15. Terry Bradshaw
16. Steve Young
17. Warren Moon
18. Otto Graham
19. Troy Aikman
20. Sid Luckman

I am not trying to be a dick, but I don't understand how you came up with these ratings. I mean.... Vinny Testaverde ahead of Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, Warren Moon, and Troy Aikman? And I find Sammy Baugh to be an awesome story, but how can you have an opinion on who is better between Aaron Rodgers and Sammy Baugh when there is hardly any footage of Sammy Baugh? Same for Sid Luckman. And I don't think there is a whole lot of footage of Unitas, Starr, and Graham either. It's like comparing Wilt Chamberlain to Shaq to George Mikan. Or comparing stage actors from the Shakespeare era to film actors today.

[Sedai]

Tom Brady might be the best QB of all-time and Belispellcheck his last name for me might be the best coach of all-time. Both of those things can be true, and their greatness individually fed the other one's greatness and made him even better. Yeah, Brady kisses his sons on the mouth, but like my favorite crazy person says: name one genius that ain't crazy.

I would agree the Belichick plays a big part in the success of Brady - the dynamic duo!

I watched Rams vs Pats in Super Bowl 36 last night on NFL Network. That game was all defense on the Pats side. Brady looked pretty good for a guy who was in his first year as a starter, but he didn't really come out swinging, at least in that game. He showed tremendous patience and calmness for a guy his age who was playing in his first Super Bowl, but he wasn't anything like he is today or in recent years past. It was fun to watch and reminisce, though.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1090647731788488705

[cricket]

No doubt that's the shirt and he's probably still bitter from when he was suspended.

[cricket]

I lean on the Pats in this game just because they seem to have flicked a switch and are suddenly playing their best. The Rams have a much more talented roster, but then the Pats are used to facing teams more talented. The Rams would certainly seem to have the players on D to slow NE down, and their D coordinator is the same guy who gave them fits while in Denver, most notably in the 2015 AFC championship game. In that game however, the Pats Oline and running backs were decimated by injuries and it was in Denver allowing their Dline to jump the snap count. The Pat's Oline and backs are now healthy and playing well so it should be more of an even battle. I would think the Pats will have a tougher go running the ball than they did their previous 2 games and I look at Cordarrelle Patterson as the X factor here. On the other side I think it'll be interesting how the Pat's D plays. They are notorious for bring able to take away the other teams best weapon, but in this case I don't know if there is one. The Ram's O seems well balanced with no dominating player. My guess is that the plan would be pretty basic with just trying to stop the run and make the QB beat them on third and long. It scares me that most of the money is on NE, but at least the line move reflects that up to now. The Pats want to erase the bitter taste of last year's loss and there are some respected veterans who could be playing their last game, including Gronk. Do the Rams feel like they are just fortunate to be here or are they out to prove they deserve it? I wouldn't be surprised by a close or easy win by either side and it's probably just going to come down to whose lines play better. One odd factoid: in the 8 Super Bowls so far in the Brady/Belichick era, they are yet to score a 1st quarter touchdown, and their only points came from a field goal last year. In those 8 games, the largest margin of victory came in an overtime game.*

[cricket]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EnergeticRequiredHackee-small.gif

[Loner]

Wow, that sucked. Go Rams!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Los_Angeles_Rams_wordmark.svg/640px-Los_Angeles_Rams_wordmark.svg.png

[lenslady]

My take on this entire game, which I freely admit I do not understand ;D , is this:

Why does someone like Julian Edelman - who appears to otherwise have a perfectly respectable looking face - have an ugly beard like that?

The same goes for David Letterman, while we're at it.

[cricket]

Why does someone like Julian Edelman - who appears to otherwise have a perfectly respectable looking face - have an ugly beard like that?

That's what my wife asked. Then I told her talk time is over.

[lenslady]

Lol. - I always liked Mrs. cricket

[lenslady]

P.S. Oh and btw; the highlights of the game (for me) was hearing Bob Dylan sing Blowing in the Wind, and watching Harrison Ford argue with his dog, on the commercials. The Dylan commercial looked like it was advertising wind power, but it may actually have been selling beer.

The dog commercial; I have no idea what that was about, but it was nice to see Harrison there, for any reason atall. :D

[Powdered Water]

That win should keep Brady at least slightly ahead of Testaverde... for now.

[jiraffejustin]

I saw a lot of people complaining about the game, but it really didn't bore me. It was high level defense and not low level offense, and it was a great performance from both punters. The field goal kicking was a little off with both guys missing a kick a piece. I'm not sure what is up with that, because both dudes are usually reliable. The half-time show was awful, but at least Big Boi showed up for a minute, even if the insufferable Adam Levine was awkwardly swaying beside him. I sang along to Blowin' in the Wind when it came on. Tony Romo is great, I love that guy. He deserved so much better than the treatment he received from fans when he played. Cowboys have kinda the opposite of Romo with Dak, and now Dallas fans complain he doesn't take enough shots. Make up your mind hypocrites. I hate sports fans. But yeah, the Super Bowl was a fun game, I enjoyed the defensive battle. Bill Belicheck is an evil genius. Edelman has some crazy hips and footwork. Todd Gurley was either seriously banged up or the Rams just prefer fat running backs. I wonder how this will affect the Rams' confidence going forward.

[TONGO]

Todd Gurley was either seriously banged up or the Rams just prefer fat running backs. I wonder how this will affect the Rams' confidence going forward.

Todd Gurley has been seriously hurt for half the season which is why they signed CJ Anderson. The Rams really should have gone all-in with the running game as Goff definitely showed his youth throughout the game, Super Bowl jitters. If they get to the big show again I'm pretty sure he'd play more confidently. Had a feeling NE was going to win as the Saints should have been there instead of LA. By how the Patriots played I'm pretty sure NO would have beat them.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1099000884984508419

[Sedai]

LOL @ The Hill...

Halfway through the story, it's Trump this, Trump that....

Also, that headline... "New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft charged in prostitution ring"

Implies he was somehow involved in running the ring, instead of just being a horny old goat trying to solicit a prostitute...

[Yoda]

Eh, it's the first tweet I found that was just a headline and not just some random person's opinion. I dunno if the headline implies that (I didn't read it that way, at least). Obviously the Trump stuff is mostly a silly reach.

Anyway, Kraft's been kinda creepy for awhile. His last girlfriend was like 40 years his junior.

[Sedai]

Yea, I probably won't go to bat for the guy, even if i personally don't mind if the transaction was just some sort of rub-n-tug happy ending between two consenting adults. Obviously, if a minor is involved, I have a problem with that.

Funny thing, we had a bust like that right around the corner from where I work here in Marlborough a couple of years ago. Same type of business/set-up. Some undercover officer went in and put the sting on the lady running the place.

[TONGO]

AHEM! Theres to be no mention of Trump on this forum Sirs! I'm reporting this to a moderator ;)

[Sedai]

Respect your president...

OR ELSE!!!! ;)