Sharp Objects on HBO

[dadgumblah]

cricket inspired me to start this thread and if nobody but cricket and me discuss it, it'll be worth it.

Amy Adams plays Camille, a reporter who is sent to her hometown after years of not living there. Her editor thinks there is a big story there after a young girl is found murdered. He turns out to be right when another murder occurs while Camille is in town. The whole series (at episode #4 right now) is deep and full of fascinating characters. Camille has flashbacks to her youth, where she's played by Sophia Lillis (from It 2017) and she totally looks like Amy Adams as a youth. Perfect casting!

The cast is excellent. In addition to Adams, there's Patricia Clarkson as her mother, Adora, who is big deal in the town socially and constantly embarrassed by Camille, who is interviewing people around town, hitting the bar and drinking constantly. One gets the feeling, due to conversations that were cut off, that Adora has secrets, especially concerning her and Camille. Camille was a wild child and her late sister Marian was sweet and doted on by Adora. Adora constantly uses the death of her favorite daughter for attention. She also has a young teen daughter from a second marriage and dotes on that daughter. Lots of stuff goes on with this family.

There's the matter of the murderer. Due to the second killing, it's now been labeled as a serial killer. What really makes the show interesting is Amy Adams in a fantastic performance. Plus the editing. Adams has flashbacks that will hopefully reveal why she's self-destructive and drinks all the time. Plus, she's a cutter. She has scars all over her body from cutting herself over the years. She keeps straight pins in her car to constantly stick herself with. In one scene, she even uses a screw from a toilet lid to bloody her arm. And there's lettering carved into one of her arms that we've only seen once. I only saw one word, even while slow-playing the recording. It said "Fornicator" and was a huge, long scar that rises up on her arm. She keeps this one hidden of course. I'm not altogether sure that she did this one to herself. But back to the editing. Some flash so suddenly that I have to pause and go back and some of these are really revealing. Like the time when Adams is napping and she's half awake and sees a woman's body hanging from the door to the bedroom, with the reflection of the body in a mirror. The reflection has a bloody patch on its face. Adams blinks and it's gone, with only a suit hanging on the door. Did this really happen? Or was it a bit of memory from Adam's past? And who was the person? Just lots of layered bits of stuff to make you wonder and making the show all the more fulfilling.

One more thing and my favorite bit so far on the show: An FBI agent in town investigating the murders wakes up, looks out the window blinds and says, "Wind Gap. Sh*t. I'm still in Wind Gap." Then a cut to the sheriff of the town, right after waking, moving around his bedroom and the camera focuses on the ceiling fan going fast. These two moments cut together so quickly was an obvious nod to Apocalypse Now. I love these little touches in the series. I hope everything continues like this and that the series eventual resolution doesn't disappoint.

Anybody else watching? Cricket, give me you thoughts, please! P.S. If anyone is interested in catching up and has HBO, the first four should be on On Demand and it's only going to go for eight episodes, with Episode Five coming this Sunday night. Jump in!

[Camo]

Didn't like this show gave up after three episodes, was pretty much exactly the same as Top of the Lake and i couldn't be bothered going through that again. Btw, neither of you open my Spoilers in the TV Tab as it has what happens in the end.

[cricket]

Didn't like this show gave up after three episodes, was pretty much exactly the same as Top of the Lake and i couldn't be bothered going through that again. Btw, neither of you open my Spoilers in the TV Tab as it has what happens in the end.

I saw the first season of Top of the Lake. I liked it but feel this show is pretty different. You know how Sharp Objects ends? How?

[Camo]

I saw the first season of Top of the Lake. I liked it but feel this show is pretty different. You know how Sharp Objects ends? How?

Both are incredibly morbid murder mysteries. Both are about women returning to their small town that holds traumatic memories to help investigate crimes for their jobs. They aren't exactly the same but cmon they are pretty dang similar.

I looked up what happens in the book.

[cricket]

That's a great recap, Dad, and I missed that word on her arm so good to know. I have no idea where the show is heading but so far I think each episode has been better than the one previous. As far as I can tell, everybody is a suspect, and there sure are plenty to go around.

[cricket]

Both are incredibly morbid murder mysteries. Both are about women returning to their small town that holds traumatic memories to help investigate crimes for their jobs. They aren't exactly the same but cmon they are pretty dang similar.

Yes I give you that.

[Austruck]

At the end of the first episode, we see the word "VANISH" on her arm while she's in the tub. (It's also the name of that episode.) Where did someone see "Fornicator"? I didn't see that. She also scratched "SACRED" into her car door just above the door handle.

[dadgumblah]

At the end of the first episode, we see the word "VANISH" on her arm while she's in the tub. (It's also the name of that episode.) Where did someone see "Fornicator"? I didn't see that. She also scratched "SACRED" into her car door just above the door handle.

I can't remember, Austruck, which episode where it said "Fornicator," but I thought I saw a word when it flashed really quickly, so I rewound and paused on it and it definitely said that word. There were other words leading into it but I couldn't make them out. I saw the word you're talking about on the car door but I thought it said "SCARED." Hmm, now I'm not sure. I'm drawn to the fact that she cuts and harms herself because I know someone who did that (as far as I know they don't do it anymore, but like Adams, they could be hiding it). Just the fact that some people do it because of stress, anxiety, or because they feel worthless or like scum. I can see where Adams would feel like that because I'm pretty sure something bad happened to her during her youth, other than just losing a sister. It could be because her mother blatantly loved her sister more than her. Who knows? Adora, the mother, is a paranoid mess and just having her as a mother would screw any child up! :eek:

I have a question: During the first episode, when she went to the family gathering at the house of the murdered girl, who was the person that the dad was throwing out of his house? I never could figure out who it was.

[Austruck]

I have a question: During the first episode, when she went to the family gathering at the house of the murdered girl, who was the person that the dad was throwing out of his house? I never could figure out who it was.

That was Bob Nash, the father of the OTHER murdered girl, Ann Nash. Everyone in town seems to think he's the murderer. Or, at the very least, they just don't like him.

[dadgumblah]

That was Bob Nash, the father of the OTHER murdered girl, Ann Nash. Everyone in town seems to think he's the murderer. Or, at the very least, they just don't like him.

Thank you, Austruck! Now I need to get down to watching the newest episode. :cool:

[Austruck]

Just finished watching it. It kinda plays into some of our discussion/questions... :)

[cricket]

DVR'd it, will watch tomorrow.

[cricket]

Love the bubbling intensity. Just about everyone in town is full of secrets. That scream in the dressing room and the last words of the episode by the mother gave me chills. Usually in shows like this, the girl investigating is a cop or an agent who carries a gun. The fact that she's a reporter adds even more vulnerability to the character because I wonder if she can defend herself if it gets to that point. It's hard to believe there's only 3 more episodes.

[Austruck]

The reveal of her scars was a bit overwhelming. I figured she was wearing long sleeves because of scars on her forearms but had no idea how far it went... or that her mother knew that much about it. And yes, that muffled scream in the dressing room was pure devastation and SO well played.

[Stirchley]

Turns out that last week the New York Times disclosed the name of the killer. I believe it was in an article that I chose not to read since it didn’t look interesting. Thank goodness for that. People were pissed about this spoiler & it’s not the first time The NY Times has done this. The show would be ruined for me if I knew who dunnit.

[cricket]

Jesus how could they do that?

[Austruck]

Whew... glad I still don't know and am not a fan of the NYT. :D

I assume no one here will say anything, even if they know, RIGHT? I mean, not even in spoiler tags! We have only a few episodes left, after all.

[Camo]

Whew... glad I still don't know and am not a fan of the NYT. :D

I assume no one here will say anything, even if they know, RIGHT? I mean, not even in spoiler tags! We have only a few episodes left, after all.

Don't look in the Television Tab! It's two posts of mine all behind Spoiler Tags on the previous page from the current one fyi.

[Stirchley]

Jesus how could they do that?

I think this was in a weekly article where someone well-known discusses books. I saw this woman’s name & had no clue who she is so had no interest in her library. So somewhere in this article this woman reveals the spoiler.

NYTimes often does this, but always in the middle of an unrelated article. Major plot points in The Sopranos & SATC revealed in this way in articles that had nothing to do with the shows. Ruined that particular arc in The Sopranos for me.

Especially in a show that is in play, people & newspapers should keep it zipped.

[Austruck]

Especially in a show that is in play, people & newspapers should keep it zipped.

Agreed. I'm in several Outlander groups -- some for the books, which are up to book eight, and some for the show, which is just starting book four/season four. The groups have all had to be clear about whether book spoilers are allowed, and the groups that allow them are VERY clear with new members that there will be discussions that include upcoming plot points from the books.

But for someplace that's NOT clear ahead of time? For a show that's current? Double-bad. Shame!

[dadgumblah]

Man, the NYT sucks! That's beyond the pale when it comes to entertainment.

I loved how they showed half the crowd looking at different people. I do have some top candidates for the killer but I won't say, even in spoilers. One of my theories is pretty far-fetched anyway. I do wonder if something in the past actually happened the way someone remembered it happening. Hmm. I'm still floored by Amy Adams' acting. And Patricia Clarkson as her mom also.Y'all are right, that halfway stifled scream for Adams was phenomenal acting. Clarkson's Adora knows exactly what buttons to push on Camille. What a bee-yotch! When next year's Emmy nominations roll around, they'd better not be forgotten.

[dadgumblah]

cricket Camo Austruck Stirchley

More before tomorrow night's show. In an interview with director Jean-Marc Vallée I read, I realized that I didn't know something that was right in front of me that's not a spoiler. When Camille goes into the rehab center and meets the teen girl, Alice, it's all a flashback. I didn't connect it. Alice shares her earbuds with Camille and later on, when Camille is driving in her car in her hometown, she's got Alice's earbuds, listening to music. Duh! Sometimes I can be dense in connecting the dots but then again, I love finding out something I didn't know and it gives extra depth to the show for me. But for the record, I thought Camille was still posted at Wind Gap but had to go to rehab because of the tension being back home was causing.

And then there is this part, part of which was a surprise to me, but Vallée mentions it and talks about it like it's not a spoiler. It's in the middle of a conversation about using certain music in the show and it deviates to this little bit of info into talking about Amma......"It’s using the lyrics to tell your mom that you love her – and in this context, it’s pretty crazy, since she’s being physically, mentally and emotionally abused by her mother. But there is unconditional love from children to their parents even in abused situations." I could figure that she was being mentally and emotionally abused because that's what she did/is doing still to Camille, but I didn't know that Amma was being physically abused because we haven't really seen that yet. I can figure that Camille probably was in the past because her mother was probably the one who cut her hair, as that conversation was cut off. Maybe the next few episodes will tell.

Comments?

EDIT:

Another question. Miguel Sandoval who plays Frank Curry, Camille's boss, and obviously somebody close to her...who is he to her relation-wise...did he adopt her after or just before she graduated from high school when she left Wind Gap? Or did she just fall in with him as her boss and became a sort of daughter figure to him? I know he calls her "Cubby," which could be a term of endearment or it could be referring to her as a "cub reporter." Any ideas?

[Camo]

cricket Camo Austruck Stirchley



I don't watch any more mate and i know what happens so i can't participate in this discussion anyway. I also don't have mentions on, just saying so you don't think i'm ignoring you.

[Austruck]

dadgumblah… I think her boss is just her boss. I get no indication that he adopted her or anything. She has parents. I'm pretty sure the "cubby" is just a cute nickname, probably from "cub reporter." If he has sent her back home for nefarious or otherwise bad reasons, we haven't seen that yet. I just assumed that they have been protective of her in ways that *good* parents would be, so she has responded to that. Or perhaps something about her situation (since they know about the drinking) hits home for them. Have they perhaps lost a child too?

We can see that he's struggling through chemo, so he has his own issues right now.

I did know that the rehab scenes were flashbacks, although recent ones. My guess is that perhaps the boss and his wife (Eileen) know about the rehab (since she would have needed to be off work for a while) and have helped her in the past. I hadn't made the connection with the earbuds. Are we sure they're Alice's? Those white earbuds are ubiquitous, after all. If so, it's a nice touch, but I hadn't noticed it till now.

[dadgumblah]

dadgumblah… I think her boss is just her boss. I get no indication that he adopted her or anything. She has parents. I'm pretty sure the "cubby" is just a cute nickname, probably from "cub reporter." If he has sent her back home for nefarious or otherwise bad reasons, we haven't seen that yet. I just assumed that they have been protective of her in ways that *good* parents would be, so she has responded to that. Or perhaps something about her situation (since they know about the drinking) hits home for them. Have they perhaps lost a child too?

We can see that he's struggling through chemo, so he has his own issues right now.

I did know that the rehab scenes were flashbacks, although recent ones. My guess is that perhaps the boss and his wife (Eileen) know about the rehab (since she would have needed to be off work for a while) and have helped her in the past. I hadn't made the connection with the earbuds. Are we sure they're Alice's? Those white earbuds are ubiquitous, after all. If so, it's a nice touch, but I hadn't noticed it till now.

Thanks for your comments, Austruck! I couldn't quite figure out her relationship to her boss, so you helped quite a bit there. The interview I read with the director of the series stated flatly that they were indeed Alice's earbuds. Also, as a Led Zeppelin fan, I've been frustrated that they continually cut off the song, "In the Evening" after the opening. Apparently we will get to hear the whole song eventually but the director wouldn't say why. Hmm.

Camo, since your notifications are turned off, I'll just say "thanks" for replying in the post above. I hope you hear about this non-notification. :D

[Austruck]

dadgumblah… Are those opening credits all the same song? Each week the music overlying the opening credits is different. I was assuming it was always a completely different song. Is it part of the same song?

Last night's episode was unnerving. Watching Amma party and put herself in all sorts of danger is difficult to watch. And I'm having a hard time reconciling the fact that sometimes Camille is protective of Amma and cautions her against such behavior and then other times, like last night's episode, she parties along with her and gets into a car being driven by a young teen who's drinking and driving. I'd be saying, "Let me off at the next intersection, please." I realize being home is screwing with her head quite a bit, but I would have thought that the last situation she'd find tempting would be with Amma, thereby encouraging her in her risky behavior.

Anyway, it's compelling viewing, for sure. Adams and Clarkson are worth the price of admission.

[cricket]

Just finished Cherry, another great episode. As great as Adams and Clarkson are, I think the actress who plays Amma makes the show. She balances danger and innocence so extremely well.

[Stirchley]

I love Amma too. Beautiful young girl. Can you believe she’s Australian? Another great actor to come from there. Must be something in the water.

[Stirchley]

Yesterday’s episode was amazing. One more to go for the big reveal.

REMINDER: NO SPOILERS!

[Austruck]

Well, some of the big reveal already happened last night, I assume. But I'll be curious to see how everything wraps up at this point. Some great acting by Adams again. And Clarkson is just nailing it too.

[dadgumblah]

Austruck I don't know if the song at the beginning is the same. I find myself focusing on the images and the cast names and glossing over the song.

Wow, a lot of things that were right in front of our faces suddenly became clear. And a lot of theories open up, most of which are probably wrong on my part. But it's fun guessing. Still, I don't know how they can possibly wrap everything up in just one hour.

Yes, Adams is so stellar here that they'd better start engraving her Emmy right now. And Clarkson also. Eliza Scanlen, as Amma, like Stirchly said, is excellent also. I think there's a new star in the making there.

Damn! I want to tell my theories and for everyone to share theirs but less than half a week to go, so I'll have to resist.

[Austruck]

If you haven't read spoilers elsewhere, then I'm okay with sharing personal theories here. :) You could always use spoiler tags. :) I'm not sure what's left to spoil, unless Camille's declaration to her boss over the phone wasn't true and someone else did it. But at this point, I doubt it.

Well... then again... Here is my own theory, which is just from my own viewing and not from any outside source. Still, spoiler tags just in case you don't want to read it:

Perhaps Adora as the killer is too obvious, even if she did "kill" Marian with love and Camille did say it out loud last week. I'm guessing, if there's another twist left, it's that Alan is the killer. Frankly, he's SO passive that he's almost an unbelievable character. Nobody is that milquetoast. :D

So perhaps Adora is protecting him (and her own reputation). That might explain why he's sleeping on the couch like it's a habit. Also, they said in the beginning that it would take some strength to pull teeth out of the victims. That doesn't sound like Adora, but COULD be Alan...

[dadgumblah]

Austruck, my theory is entirely my own and from NO outside source. And my theory is just about the same as yours. I think it is a little too much on the nose that Adora is the killer. Yes, I too believe that she eventually made Marian die from "taking care of her." But as for the two recently murdered girls, I also believe that Alan is the muscle. They did make a point of showing the FBI guy testing pulling out teeth on a pig's head and it was difficult for him. So unless Adora is lifting weights at the gym, I don't think she's done the actual killing of the two girls. Adora said something suspicious to Alan about Camille like, "I see you didn't do what I wanted you to do" (make Camille leave). Who knows how Adora meant that, but it surely shows that she lords it over him. They mentioned (I think it was the nurse that Mr. FBI talked to) "Munchausen by Proxy" where a person makes another person sick, then makes them well (or kills them, depending on how bad the case is) to draw attention to the first person, so they'll receive pity or people will feel sorry for them. It seems like that is what's going on. The two murdered girls were once friends of Amma, Adora's daughter, but something happened to make them not be friends anymore. Now, John, the young man who got arrested, said that his sister bit people a lot, including him. That may be the reason the teeth were pulled out. I'm still not sure on that, because the first girl supposedly didn't bite people that we know of, but it could be a bait-and-switch, were they pulled the first girl's teeth just so they could pull the teeth on the second one, making it seem like that's what the "serial killer" (who strangely hasn't killed any other girls) likes to do.

That brings me to another thing: Adora had that ivory floor upstairs that she wouldn't let people wear shoes in. Amma doesn't like people to mess with her replica of their house. I wonder if she has the ivory floor replicated with the dead girls' teeth? That would be really creepy! Another thing: those two girls who are still Amma's friends that Adora turned away at the door---they're roller skating night and day and the cop talked to them while they were rolling along. They said something about Adora, that they loved her and that "she takes care of us" or something like that. Makes me wonder if Adora is lining them up to be killed? Actually, with only one episode left and this show and it's listed as being a "Limited Series," I don't think we're going to get all the answers. Anyway, that's my take.

[Austruck]

I think we're both in the ballpark here. Alan is in on it, if it's not entirely him. I can see him partnering with Adora, or her just strong-arming him and that's why he seems to always need to play those records on his "new toy."

[cricket]

Liking those theories guys. Just finished episode 7 and I have to give my wife credit; she blurted out the diagnosis literally 2 seconds before the nurse did. Looking forward to the finale.

[Austruck]

Okay, I didn't see that coming in the finale. This series made me want to read the book. :)

[dadgumblah]

Yeah, we sort of had it figured but not quite. I hope you watched through the credits for an added scene? :eek:

[Austruck]

Yeah, I had the credits on and then that flash of intensity happened. Kinda gave us a glimpse into how that might have all gone down.

Loved how the teeth showed up. You were on the right track with that one.

[Saunch]

Time to binge, ‘cause it wouldn’t be me if I wasn’t late to the party.

[Austruck]

It's binge-worthy! Stellar cast and acting!

[Stirchley]

That brings me to another thing: Adora had that ivory floor upstairs that she wouldn't let people wear shoes in. Amma doesn't like people to mess with her replica of their house. I wonder if she has the ivory floor replicated with the dead girls' teeth?

Holy Moses, can’t believe you figured that one out.

What a finale! I had no idea what was coming down the pike.

Did you notice in the dollhouse (about 5 minutes before the end) the little figure with her legs handing outside the window just like the dead girl in the alley?

Someone told me that the little quilt Amma threw out was a gift from Mae? Sounds plausible since I could not figure out that little detail at all.

I need to re-watch the finale, but what a show!

[cricket]

Saw it today and we loved it, a great series that saved the best for last. The acting and direction was unbelievable.

[dadgumblah]

Holy Moses, can’t believe you figured that one out.

What a finale! I had no idea what was coming down the pike.

Did you notice in the dollhouse (about 5 minutes before the end) the little figure with her legs handing outside the window just like the dead girl in the alley?

Someone told me that the little quilt Amma threw out was a gift from Mae? Sounds plausible since I could not figure out that little detail at all.

I need to re-watch the finale, but what a show!

Yeah, I kind of thought that they were showing Adora being all uptight about her ivory floor, then Amma being the same about the house replica for a reason. It was really just a passing thought, and I thought to myself "Naah." Who knew?

Nice catch on the figure hanging out the toy house replica. I saw it but it didn't click what it represented.

Since Saunch hasn't watched the whole thing I'll got to spoiler mode here...I had someone in my family that "theorized" early on that it was the daughter, Amma, doing the killings, but that was without any clues, just speculation thrown out there. So, it really threw me for a loop when she found the tooth and Amma said, "Don't tell Mama," as if that was all she was afraid of. Not afraid of going to jail, just didn't want to displease Mama. Shows you what a psycho Adora was to hold control on all these people and turn Amma and her young skater friends into killers. Because, during the credits, they showed those friends holding the girls down while Amma strangled them. Then they show Amma killing her new friend in St. Louis but they show that really quickly. I just can't figure out as to the "why" of it all, other than Adora twisted her daughter so much that she drove her mad, plying her with rat poison and antifreeze in the "blue liquid" she gave her. My guess is that the two girls she killed did something she didn't like. Wasn't Adora tutoring them? Or am I thinking about the skating girls? And then her new friend at the end was taking attention away from her by saying she wanted to be like Camille. Anyway, that's my theory for what it's worth.

[Stirchley]

Saunch should stay away from this thread. The show has ended & there are no spoilers for a show that is not in play. I didn’t post here for a week because I was afraid Austruck was going to disclose something I didn’t know.

Adora didn’t make Amma a killer or her friends. Amma was the ringleader of her friends & they followed her without questioning. Amma was very jealous of Ann & Nathalie when Adora befriended them. That’s why she killed them. Then when she made her new friend in St. Louis that friend was taking attention away from her so she also had to go. Rather far-fetched, but there you have it.

Adora wasn’t a killer. She wasn’t trying to kill any of her daughters. She just wanted to be needed. Obviously she went too far with Marion. Remember how she panicked when she found Camille on the floor & shrieked for Alan to help her? She never wanted to kill her or Amma.

But she definitely had control over Amma, as you say. Remember the scene where she asked Amma if, in future, she wanted to do her own laundry, pay for her own clothes, etc., etc.? That was control.

[Austruck]

Remember also that, when Camille went out partying with Amma and her friends, it was clear they were also into drugs and drinking, so that's going to turn Amma into something other than her possibly normal self.

I hadn't made the connection with Amma also killing her new friend in St. Louis. That credits-scene was so quick and jumbled that I'd missed that and never tied it in with her mom asking Camille if she'd seen her. That right there should have been the biggest red flag for those of us trying to guess the ending...right up till the end. :D

I didn't *guess* it but I knew the pacing was WAY off for it to have just been Adora as the killer. There was too much denouement happening, and then when Vickery and Big City started just talking about Alan possibly helping with the teeth-pulling, I again thought it was strange to have this just being discussed as an afterthought---rather than finding out some better, more action-packed way. They had the pliers, though... and I never connected them with anyone other than Alan at that point.

But I just couldn't figure out the weird pacing or why there was still so much "show" left after revealing the killer.

And now I know why. I'm going to have to rewatch the finale and pick up on all the stuff you guys caught that I missed. :)

[Stirchley]

Well, some of the big reveal already happened last night, I assume. But I'll be curious to see how everything wraps up at this point. Some great acting by Adams again. And Clarkson is just nailing it too.

That’s why I was confused last week by your post after you watched the penultimate episode of the show. You gave the impression that it was all over now. I was thinking so that’s it, Adora is the killer? It made no sense since there was one more episode to come.

Don’t blame drugs & drinking for Amma being a serial killer. Most of the time she was stone-cold sober. She was a psychopath.

You have to watch the finale again like I did & don’t check out before the credits begin.

Amma was jealous of her new friend (who made the little quilt that matched Camille’s quilt) so she had to go. Camille found the quilt in the garbage, which caused her to look inside the house. Note Amma’s “blood splotches” top in the final scene.

[Austruck]

I'm not sure I was blaming the drugs or alcohol. But certainly they didn't help and certainly they were their own red flags that should have made me/us focus on her more.

I saw that post-credits bit but since I wasn't focusing on it thoroughly, it zipped past and I knew I'd have to rewatch to really get it all. I definitely had NOT picked up on her jealousy of her new friend... at all. A rewatch will probably have me saying "Ah-haaa!" a lot. :D

[GrantD2]

Haven't really participated in this thread while the show was airing, but now that it's over I just gotta say I never thought I'd love this so as much as I did. I didn't even know anything about it until maybe a week before the season began so my expectations weren't sky high, although I will admit when I heard it was based on a book written by the same lady who wrote Gone Girl I was very intrigued. That ending, my goodness. Very satisfying.

I've now bought the book and plan on reading it after I finish the two books I'm currently on. This by far my favorite show of the year and will probably end up as one of my favorite limited series of all time.

[cricket]

If I were to blame anything, it would be her upbringing.

[Stirchley]

I definitely had NOT picked up on her jealousy of her new friend... at all. A rewatch will probably have me saying "Ah-haaa!" a lot. :D

Focus on the scene when they have dinner with Camille’s boss. Note the interaction between him & Mae.

[Larry]

Spoilers!

Just finished. What a great show. Binged watched it in a couple weeks. Lots of depth of character. Amma is a cold blooded psycho. Appreciate she had childhood trauma like Camille. Interesting comment stuck with me. The nurse talking to the detective said (about Camille) that people who enter rehab generally take their pain out on themselves which was Camille and her cutting - amma took her pain out on those girls.

[Larry]

I’m bit empty now it’s over. Any other shows like this with as much depth or close to?

I’ve watched and loved shows like oz, the wire, the sopranos, West world and game of thrones up to season 4 then it went downhill, stranger things, deadwood...

Edit: forget to mention s1 true detective which I adore.

[Stirchley]

Ozark on Netflix is totally brilliant.

Ditto Succession on HBO.

If you can bear subtitles, the Italian series Gomorrah is the best show I have seen in the past 2 years. Also on Netflix.

[honeykid]

I’m bit empty now it’s over. Any other shows like this with as much depth or close to?

I’ve watched and loved shows like oz, the wire, the sopranos, West world and game of thrones up to season 4 then it went downhill, stranger things, deadwood...

Edit: forget to mention s1 true detective which I adore.

I didn't see it, but seeing as Camo didn't watch past episode 2 because he couldn't be bothered with what he thought would be the same kind of thing, I'd say Top Of The Lake and then Top Of The Lake: China Girl.

I agree with Stirchley that Succession and Gomorrah are worth your time. Especially the latter.

[Larry]

I’m bit empty now it’s over. Any other shows like this with as much depth or close to?

I’ve watched and loved shows like oz, the wire, the sopranos, West world and game of thrones up to season 4 then it went downhill, stranger things, deadwood...

Edit: forget to mention s1 true detective which I adore.

I didn't see it, but seeing as Camo didn't watch past episode 2 because he couldn't be bothered with what he thought would be the same kind of thing, I'd say Top Of The Lake and then Top Of The Lake: China Girl.

I agree with Stirchley that Succession and Gomorrah are worth your time. Especially the latter.

Never heard of those so will set check them out. Sharp objects though I recommend, give it a few eps..maybe three.

[Stirchley]

Top Of The Lake and then Top Of The Lake: China Girl

Top of the Lake - excellent.

Top of the Lake: China Girl - absolutely atrocious & unwatchable. Such a disappointment.