The Real story behind The Texas Chainsaw Massacre

[jrs]

The movie is literally based on a man named Ed Gein.

Before serial killing became a fashionable hobby, Ed Gein was doing terrible things to women in Wisconsin in the Fifties. Usually they were dead and he stole their bodies from the grave, but occasionally, when his mother told him, "It's time for you to do the Lord's work," they were alive. By then, his mother was also dead, which made it doubly weird.

It's important also to point out that Gein was the inspiration for Psycho, Deranged and The Silence of the Lambs. Ed adored his mother and she filled his young mind with images of Old Testament damnation and after she died, when he was 39, he became increasingly reclusive and strange. He would flay the flesh of unresurrected corpses and use the skin to make lampshades and chair covers and clothes.

He lived alone in a farmhouse, reading books on the female anatomy, Nazi war crimes and Polynesian head-shrinkers. The place was filled with macabre momentoes and junk. He ate tinned pork-and-beans and human body parts. He would go to the bar in the little town of Plainfield, where the locals made fun of him, and occasionally to a neighbour's house to watch TV and play draughts. His shyness with women was acute.

Living in a rural community during the Eisenhower era, when life was slow and easy with infinite care, he was a man tormented by visions caught between the need to bring the dead back to life, and do his mother's bidding. He is neither vicious, nor intimidating, rather sad and gentle. The madness that drives him belongs in another place.

Ed's mother controlled her children with an iron will. Religious mania clouded her judgement. She would save her boys from the wickedness of the world and destroy sin through the instrument of her second son, as Jehovah did at Sodom and Gomorrah. After her death, when she appears to Ed, she has become a figure of nightmares.

By day, Ed Gein was a quiet man who kept watch over the farm ,but by night, Gein was one of the most bizarre and dangerous psychopaths in recorded history. Raised by a violent alcoholic father and the mother (mentioned above) with an obsessive fear of sin and hatred of sex, Gein had very few friends, and after the death of his parents, Gein was left to his own devices on the family farm (where, under a government subsidy program, he was paid not to grow crops), and his unhealthy obsessions eventually became ugly realities. Gein's crimes included murder, necrophilia, cannibalism, and grave robbing, with Gein using the flesh and bones of his victims to construct household objects, including a suit and mask made from human skin that Gein used when he wanted to dress up as a woman (it's been suggested that some of Gein's crimes stemmed from a twisted attempt to deal with his desire to change his gender). In 1957, two murders committed by Gein attracted the attention of the police, leading to Gein's arrest; near the end of that year, he was declared criminally insane and was committed for life to Wisconsin's Waupan State Hospital, where he stayed until his death in 1984.


As for the chainsaw???? :nope:

[LordSlaytan]

Wow, jason. You wrote a great piece here. Good job.

[jrs]

Wow, jason. You wrote a great peice here. Good job.


Thanks. :)

[Yoda]

Um, jrs didn't write it. It was spliced together from this (http://www.iofilm.co.uk/fm/e/ed_gein_2001.shtml) and this (http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++242402,00.html). Mostly the former.

[jrs]

I did "write it", I didn't say I used stuff or not.

[LordSlaytan]

Christ. I feel...feel...used, decieved. sigh

[jrs]

oh gosh ... :laugh:

[Yoda]

I did "write it", I didn't say I used stuff or not.
Sounds more like "pasting" than "writing" to me. Or can I Control-C The Stand and claim it as my own?

You didn't "write it," dude, and you certainly shouldn't have accepted credit for it based on some minor editing and a tacked-on sentence at the end.

[jrs]

Sounds more like "pasting" than "writing" to me. Or can I Control-C The Stand and claim it as my own?

You didn't "write it," dude, and you certainly shouldn't have accepted credit for it based on some minor editing and a tacked-on sentence at the end.


i am not accepting credit. i wrote it means i typed it.

[Yoda]

i am not accepting credit. i wrote it means i typed it.
I'm not buying this. "I wrote it" means "I wrote it." People who take dictation for authors are not said to have "written" the books they typed. Moreover, I doubt you typed it; it's far more likely that you copied and pasted it.

Under no reasonable meaning of the word did you in any way "write" the post above. Sorry.

[n7of9]

interesting post - regardless of who wrote it and who typed it

[jrs]

I'm not buying this. "I wrote it" means "I wrote it." People who take dictation for authors are not said to have "written" the books they typed. Moreover, I doubt you typed it; it's far more likely that you copied and pasted it.

Under no reasonable meaning of the word did you in any way "write" the post above. Sorry[

I said earlier that, that I did not tell you whether I copied or pasted. Not telling you does NOT mean I was taking credit and ....I WAS NOT. I was just posting something about Ed Gein.

interesting post - regardless of who wrote it and who typed it

:) Wow, finally someone who read, liked it and had no quarrel.

[Kong]

I said earlier that, that I did not tell you whether I copied or pasted. Not telling you does NOT mean I was taking credit and ....I WAS NOT.

Kong said this to "Godfather" and he'll say it to you: Using material originally written by other people and not giving them credit for it is plagiarism, and a violation of copyright law. It's standard procedure to supply the reader with the source of anything you didn't write. So, in effect, even though you never openly said you wrote it yourself, you chose not to give credit to the people who wrote it leaving the implication that you yourself had written it.

This cut-and-paste plagiarism that has been occuring here recently needs to stop. Citing sources is incredibly easy, and there is no excuse for stealing material.

[Caitlyn]

Interesting info Jrs… Serial killers are very strange… from what I remember about this, the guy who wrote Chain Saw Massacre heard a lot of the stories about Gein using the skin of his victims to make masks… hence the creation of Leather Face…

[Sexy Celebrity]

The Deal With The Chainsaw
written by Sexy Celebrity

The idea for the chainsaw came to Tobe Hooper (original Chainsaw's writer/director) one day when he was shopping in a mall around Christmas time (I think it was that time), and the place was packed and he couldn't get past all of the people -- so he sees this chainsaw hanging on the wall in a hardware shop, and he gets the idea that if he could take that chainsaw and start it up (BUZZ BUZZ), he could use it on people to make them all run away, thus he'd get through the mall.

[blibblobblib]

This is a good post, apart from the arguments of course. Good topic for halloween.

[Yoda]

I said earlier that, that I did not tell you whether I copied or pasted.
It doesn't matter. You said you wrote it, but you didn't, because no one understands "write" to mean "type" or "copy and paste."


Not telling you does NOT mean I was taking credit and ....I WAS NOT.
You're right, not telling us doesn't mean you were taking credit. But saying "thanks" when Slaytan congratulated you on writing it does.

Kong already laid this out: you're supposed to source these things. If you put your name on it, and no one else's, that's the same as taking credit for it. Especially if you accept praise for it.

[jrs]

I got it already!!!!! Geez.....before you know it, my reputation points on here will go down so low just because of this stupid argument. :furious: :furious:

[Herod]

I said earlier that, that I did not tell you whether I copied or pasted. Not telling you does NOT mean I was taking credit and ....I WAS NOT.
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Thanks. :)


And to further the point: Did I "write" either of these posts?

[r3port3r66]

And to further the point: Did I "write" either of these posts?


No, but you did name the source(s).

[jrs]

Double :rolleyes:

[MyRobotSuit]

The reaction as told by Morrissey (and not me)

Cemetry Gates
The Smiths

You say : "'Ere thrice the sun done salutation to the dawn"
And you claim these words as your own
But I've read well, and I've heard them said
A hundred times (maybe less, maybe more)
If you must write prose and poems
The word you use should be your own
Don't plagiarise or take "on loan"
There's always someone, somewhere
With a big nose, who knows
And trips you up and laughs
When you fall
Who'll trip you up and laugh
When you fall

[Knoxville]

I'm very interested in all seriel killers, I knew that Ed Gein was an inspiration to Tobe Hopper, Ed Gein is actually the first documented serielkiller, come on people no fighting be nice :D

[Caitlyn]

I'm very interested in all seriel killers, I knew that Ed Gein was an inspiration to Tobe Hopper, Ed Gein is actually the first documented serielkiller, come on people no fighting be nice :D


If I’m not mistaken, there is a documentary being made about H.H. Holmes aka Doctor Death who was one of the early serial killers in America… Holmes was a con man back in the late 1800’s who worked as a druggist in Chicago and eventually built a hotel there that came to be called “The House of Horrors“.. A fraudulent insurance claim landed him in jail but when they searched his hotel they found torture chambers, vats of acid, airtight rooms with gas jets, rooms filled with surgical equipment, and female skeletons… Homes admitted to 27 murders (I think) but was always suspected of many more. There were several people who attended the Chicago Worlds Fair in 1893 who checked into his hotel but were never heard from again…

[Knoxville]

^^^^Thanks for the Info Caitlyn, much appreciated

[Kong]

Technically Ed Gein isn't even a serial killer because he only murdered two people (that we know of).

Like Caitlyn said, H.H. Holmes easily predates Gein, and Jack the Ripper did his "work" just a little before Holmes. Of course, you could go even farther back. Kong watched the film Countess Dracula yesterday and it was based on Elizabeth Bathory who was responsible for the death of 600+ girls who were killed so that Bathory could bathe in their blood for cosmetic reasons. Or you could go even farther back to Vlad the Impaler or even to Caligula

[Mary Loquacious]

Yuppers.

I would say, though, that the first "serial killer" as we've come to recognize the term would be Saucy Jack himself, due to the sensationalization of the killings in the media and the profound effect he had on London society as a whole. Although he didn't create serial killings, he certainly is a near-perfect template for that particular brand of murderer.

[Caitlyn]

Has anyone ever read about America’s first known serial killers… the Harp cousins? They went on a killing spree back in the late 1700's and were big time bad news… they even killed their own children.

[cradle]

i think a lot of people got off the subject here and turned it into an argument, the point was the informing to us of ed gein. i thought it was very interesting adn a good subject. i was amazed at what all went down with ed gein, i didn't know all that. it's really weird, i mean he was such a horribly person but after learning the background of these people you can't help but to feel kind of sorry for them and the direction their lives took. it's horrible how their minds pretty much turned into machines and went so wrong and were incapable of realiseing it. yet everything they went through and what turned them that way is horrible itself.

[Hondo333]

Yeah, Gain was pretty tame... By serial killer standards. as Kong said only 2, And one of them was with a gun if my memory is right, Probebly the most "Overated" serial killer of all time. Andrei Chikatilo, Now thats one one sick Motherf*cker.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Has anyone ever read about America’s first known serial killers… the Harp cousins? They went on a killing spree back in the late 1700's and were big time bad news… they even killed their own children.
Wow! I hadn't heard of them, and googled some pretty interesting info: here. (http://www.deadmart.com/killers.html?cf0A010601=QUlEU0hFQUxUSFxjeW50aGlhZjphaGY6JZN3Wwc8qI8N/d01vhNBaA==) There are a lot of links at the end of that article to info on other serial killers.
Thanks for the tip!

[Mark]

I got it already!!!!! Geez.....before you know it, my reputation points on here will go down so low just because of this stupid argument. :furious: :furious:

I'm not sure you did "get it" because the same thing happened Here (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=120987#post120987post120987) for The Breakfast Club. You (or someone) deleted the original post, you gave credit to the original author after a few of us questioned you, and you wrote a response to something written on amazon.com :confused:

I was duped twice, as were others, and no where have I seen you do anything but try to defend yourself or act like it's not a big deal. It IS a big deal, and the reactions of other MoFos should make you realize that.
What will happen as a result is certain MoFos will question anything and everything you've written in the past or will write in the future.

Reputation isn't about points or green dots, it's about earning respect for what you write and take credit for, and it's not a "stupid argument."

I'm blown away by how lightly this has been taken, especially because it's happened ...how many other times?

[DrenaiWarrior]

While i am coompletleyyy obliterated from the Beast)milwaukee's best ice) I just wannaa say that I live in the UP.... Right up in Wisconsin and we produce alot of psychopaths like Ed and Dohmmer(Sepelling?), and that is a scary thought. But anyway it is late and I am not done drinking yet... so I'm gonna go back and say happy birthday to my budddy Ross and then I'm gonna go find a couch to slleep on. Goodnight yall