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Rick Grimes apparently can't shoot for ****.
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New season started tonight. If anyone is still watching this show, post up!
Captain Steel
10-23-17, 01:13 AM
If anyone watched Talking Dead afterward... All I can say is "Rosita!"
I don't usually watch the show, but once Christian Serratos came out in that dress... I kept watching.
(Damn the cameraman! I don't know how he did it but he managed to basically cut her out of every shot and angle the camera so her cleavage was never in the background - probably done on purpose - maybe they felt the dress was too much for TV!) ;)
Derek Vinyard
10-23-17, 01:22 AM
Nice beggining of the season! Appreciate the episode
Great premiere episode. Following a very disappointing and unbearably slow couple of seasons, I'm hoping this can get back on track.
doubledenim
10-23-17, 06:21 AM
The best part about TWD is it means new eps of Comic Book Men.
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gandalf26
10-23-17, 07:14 AM
Shoot him Rick, just ****ing shoot him. For **** sake will you just ****ing shoot him. ****ING SHOOT HIM!
then later
Priest just shoot him, don't wait just lift rifle and shoot him, shoot him dead.
doubledenim
10-23-17, 01:46 PM
The only thing I got from this ep was Rick is Viggo Mortensen in his dream future.
Love how the good guys never best the Saviors and then flip their world in one move featuring a bunch of tin off old shacks.
doubledenim
10-23-17, 01:50 PM
Shoot him Rick, just ****ing shoot him. For **** sake will you just ****ing shoot him. ****ING SHOOT HIM!
then later
Priest just shoot him, don't wait just lift rifle and shoot him, shoot him dead.
I'm all for turning my brain off and I'm quite proficient at it.
This sh!+ is really pushing the absurd logic, even for a show with zombies and new pieces of sidewalk chalk.
We havent seen it yet but watched a BTS last night. They all seem to get on so well. Laughed when they were all having a go at Andrew Lincoln for saying 'Coral'. A bad impression by an englishman of trying to speak like an american. And they have the Rick drinking game - take a sip every time he says Coral. They all end up with cirrhosis.
First season I'm interested in now since season 1. Unfortunately the resident fanboy hs gone off the boil.
... gone off the boil.
You know, sometimes I have no idea wtf you're typing; but I just kinda roll with it and let context fill in the blanks on my end. If I'm wrong in interpretation, meh, so be it. It's all good and I sort of think that goes to the heart of intent of some of your slang. ;)
I had an Aussie friend several years back that constantly had a new and random figure of speech in every conversation. Things I had never heard before, and her word combinations fascinated me. I never knew exactly what she meant by them, but they made sense enough to just nod, agree, and respond in kind, as I could. So I guess in my round-about way I am trying to say that I enjoy that, as it takes me back. Thanks!
Since, I've learned to relax a bit to say (type) more things off the cuff even if it's non-standard. It really takes the edge off of the social pressure putting other people on the defense in trying to translate my meaning of seemingly random words or to recoil in a subtle panic that maybe they aren't as cool as they thought, hearing me speak phrases they have never heard either. Or at least that's how I like to look at it!
Just an odd little notice. A weird compliment I guess?
<3
lol.
You know, sometimes I have no idea wtf you're typing; but I just kinda roll with it and let context fill in the blanks on my end. If I'm wrong in interpretation, meh, so be it. It's all good and I sort of think that goes to the heart of intent of some of your slang. ;)
I had an Aussie friend several years back that constantly had a new and random figure of speech in every conversation. Things I had never heard before, and her word combinations fascinated me. I never knew exactly what she meant by them, but they made sense enough to just nod, agree, and respond in kind, as I could. So I guess in my round-about way I am trying to say that I enjoy that, as it takes me back. Thanks!
Since, I've learned to relax a bit to say (type) more things off the cuff even if it's non-standard. It really takes the edge off of the social pressure putting other people on the defense in trying to translate my meaning of seemingly random words or to recoil in a subtle panic that maybe they aren't as cool as they thought, hearing me speak phrases they have never heard either. Or at least that's how I like to look at it!
Just an odd little notice. A weird compliment I guess?
<3
lol.
Gone off the boil=he got bored into a coma. I only continued watching it after season 1 because that was his show, and I liked the zombie bashing. Most episodes I drifted off into micro sleeps.
I can give you lessons in aussie slang if you like. It's pretty easy to pick up. Absolutely essential when you visit here or you'll starve to death very quickly unless you can dumpster dive with gay abandon. Woooooo.
ahaha you are awesome.
You should make a thread with a bullet list of items and their translations ;) Hell, you could probably publish that and make a buck or two.
ahaha you are awesome.
You should make a thread with a bullet list of items and their translations ;) Hell, you could probably publish that and make a buck or two.
No, you are awesome sauce on a roadkill meat pie with a frosty tinny.
Just finished nd about to finish talking dead which I've never seen before. A few nitpick questions just for larfs.
What is with the hipster beard on rick, nd 2 daughters of different ages and hair styles? I'm going to guess flash forwards.
Why wont someone give coral a haircut.
How is it necessary to dramatically fling your arm up and point so everyone can see the zombie herd in the near distance.
Why does Lauren Cohen's accent suddenly sound like she's been living in the UK for a year. (accent autocorrected to accident. Freudian slip?)
That's it for that one.
Is talking dead host always so cringe worthy, loud and dull.
OK episode though. I stayed awake.
I cant believe that's episode 100. Well done to the cast and crew.
doubledenim
10-25-17, 07:57 AM
Why wont someone give coral a haircut.
There's a crying-face Rick gif out there pleading for him to "cut that hair!" It jus haz pew.
Is talking dead host always so cringe worthy, loud and dull.
That's always been Hardwick's shtick. He's been around for a long time and is trying to give Seacrest a run for hardest working man in Hollywood.
There's a crying-face Rick gif out there pleading for him to "cut that hair!" It jus haz pew.
That's always been Hardwick's shtick. He's been around for a long time and is trying to give Seacrest a run for hardest working man in Hollywood.
LMAO. Tried to find but so many crying twd gifs.
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dadgumblah
10-26-17, 10:24 PM
Yeah, Dani, you're right, those are flash-forwards all through the episode. We see Rick with his "hipster" beard and a still-alive Michonne, Carl, and Judith somewhere. I can't tell if it's the Hilltop or the Kingdom but it doesn't look like Alexandria so I'm thinking "uh-oh" here for the fate of Alexandria.
We have Rick with red eyes and a sweaty head, with the sun shining through the stain-glass hanging. He repeats what that guy that Carl saw at the gas station said that his mother told him, "My mercy prevails over my wrath." So, at the point that Rick says that, he's obviously either gotten to know the guy at the station or Carl has repeated to Rick what he said. I know from the comic and what the producers have said that the guy hidden in the bushes that Carl leaves the food for will be an addition to the cast as a good guy, if somewhat off-center good guy.
Then we get Rick standing by graves that look like the graves at the Hilltop, not sure. I still see only two graves, so I'm not sure if somebody else has died at that moment or if Rick is just looking at the graves of Glenn and Abraham. We could get an episode where the camera pulls back and there's more graves. You know how the producers and writers love the fake-out!
dadgumblah
10-26-17, 10:35 PM
Also, I think Hardwick works better in the one-hour after-shows. Smaller doses of Hardwick are better, with the guests commenting on the episode plus behind-the-scenes stuff on the making of the episode. Try one of those and see what you think.
Captain Steel
10-26-17, 11:05 PM
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Yeah, Dani, you're right, those are flash-forwards all through the episode. We see Rick with his "hipster" beard and a still-alive Michonne, Carl, and Judith somewhere. I can't tell if it's the Hilltop or the Kingdom but it doesn't look like Alexandria so I'm thinking "uh-oh" here for the fate of Alexandria.
We have Rick with red eyes and a sweaty head, with the sun shining through the stain-glass hanging. He repeats what that guy that Carl saw at the gas station said that his mother told him, "My mercy prevails over my wrath." So, at the point that Rick says that, he's obviously either gotten to know the guy at the station or Carl has repeated to Rick what he said. I know from the comic and what the producers have said that the guy hidden in the bushes that Carl leaves the food for will be an addition to the cast as a good guy, if somewhat off-center good guy.
Then we get Rick standing by graves that look like the graves at the Hilltop, not sure. I still see only two graves, so I'm not sure if somebody else has died at that moment or if Rick is just looking at the graves of Glenn and Abraham. We could get an episode where the camera pulls back and there's more graves. You know how the producers and writers love the fake-out!
Wait am I reading this right... Michonee is dead? I must have been asleep. No.
dadgumblah
10-27-17, 04:37 AM
No, Michonne isn't dead. The furthest in the future we go is when Rick has that woolen grey beard, and Michonne is alive and well there. For whatever reason, this first episode had us hopping all through time leading up to that spot where Rick, Michonne, Carl, and Judith are at that house together. Everything else is in-between now (attacking Negan) and the future with greybeard Rick. I guess when I said "still-alive" Michonne, I meant we see her in the future and she's still living. So that's a good thing.
dadgumblah
10-27-17, 04:41 AM
No problemo, Dani. :)
Captain Steel, that pic of Carl is hilarious! :rotfl:
No problemo, Dani. :)
Captain Steel, that pic of Carl is hilarious! :rotfl:
It's glorious.
Still loving the cryers
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dadgumblah
10-27-17, 05:48 AM
I like the Daryl one the best. He will cry his eyes out when he loses somebody he cares for, but when it comes to killing, he's the deadliest. :)
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I thought this thread might get more attention than it has!
No worries. I've been disappointed and terribly broken-hearted from the last two episodes, so I will probably back off of this thread myself so as not to become a toxic influence for those that are still enjoying the run. I'll probably stop watching for now, waiting for a marathon run to get it all out of the way at once, like ripping a band-aid off. As it is now, I don't want to to continue waiting a week just to scream at my television when someone steps into a hallway of gunfire, pauses to look around, then pulls her gun into position only after surveying the environment, and still survives. Because shooting at walls is intimidating. At people, on the other hand, is fruitless and will do no good in grounding this within any sort of reality.
*cries*
R.I.P., TWD; but we know that won't happen cuz we're all already infected. Poetic, in a way, knowing that once the show finally dies, the characters will live on as undead shells through syndication. Some deaths are slower than others I suppose.
Really, really sad about this. I hope others can continue to enjoy it though. I'll probably try to burn through BSG now to find my comfort zone, to help get me through.
=*(
gandalf26
10-31-17, 07:51 AM
Agreed ^^^
The return of a character no one remembers.
An entire episode of shooting, silly no logic gunfights. Morgan is now Batman with foes running toward him whilst he remains untouched.
Where are Rick and Darryl and what are they even doing.
I'm just sitting thinking why do I even watch.
Suppose we ll be getting a lame mid season cliffhanger too.
dadgumblah
11-01-17, 02:47 AM
I enjoyed it. And I agree with some of what y'all have said, and disagree with some. I know they're leaving things up in the air but if you follow any of the WD media or watch The Talking Dead, they've said that the first four episodes will be almost completely action, because they are at war, per their new season slogan, "All-Out War." I'd much rather see this than more of Negan cowing people or killing them because he feels like it. We've got our big villain, we've shown what lengths he'll go to, so let's give him a taste of some of what he's been dishing out.
BUT I agree with what one fan said on The Talking Dead via a Tweet: "Scott Gimple, why didn't Rick just shoot Negan when he first appeared?" Chris Hardwick jumped in and said, "Because you'd have a two-minute show!" Well, I disagree with that. But Gimple answered and said, "Because there are innocent people inside the building, workers, women and children, etc. Rick wanted to give them a chance." Yeah, I understand Rick's viewpoint but No, Rick, you take Negan out, I think the rest will fold. I don't think they're going to slaughter the good people inside once Negan hits the floor, dead. This is after Rick said "Only one person has to die." So, he waited until the cowed people inside didn't make a move for fear of Negan. I think, take him out, then deal with his lieutenants. But a part of that plan was to lead the walkers to Negan's Sanctuary so Rick's crews could take out the remaining outposts.
Well, the writers had Rick open fire only after Negan's "people" wouldn't shift sides (of course they wouldn't! Not while he's alive!) So, Rick waited until they said "no" and then started firing. Negan didn't die but he was trapped and Rick still shot at him, but Negan of course is still alive, Rick you missed your chance. And now Negan has Father Gabriel as either hostage, food for walkers, or bargaining chip.
And now Jesus is letting captured bad guys live against Tara's judgement and I don't agree with that. That especially is going to give some of The Saviors a chance to come back. Despite my disagreement about all this, and despite Rick saying over-and-over that they're not going to lose, it's showing that Rick really is a good guy (and still a bit soft) by showing mercy, Jesus, too. I mean, deep down in their hearts. On the surface they kill, yeah, but not this time. So, maybe they're not that great in a war scenario with humans. A few at a time, I've seen Rick not flinch. But this time, he is. And why did they have to show that baby sleeping peacefully to ocean sounds on some sort of sound system? That's what the guy Rick killed was really fighting for...the child. And Rick couldn't hardly stand it afterwards. Yet, he walked away from the baby. And people on The Talking Dead asked about that and Gimple said, "You will see the ultimate fate of that baby." Well, that doesn't sound good. But we'll see.
As far as where Rick and Daryl are, they're at one of the outposts (I don't remember which) but it's one where Dwight said a cache of weapons are kept. And so far, they've found none, so that puts Dwight's loyalty to Rick & co. in question. But, the Saviors could have moved them, and kept moving them. That's a good tactic---never leave your goods in one place, at least split them up in different places. Just to give a stupid personal example---when my Mom died, I had an Aunt who loved to take family pictures away and never return them. So, before she even showed up, I had four boxes and gave one each to my siblings and myself so they'd be scattered to the four winds and my Aunt wouldn't get her hands on them. She's the kind of person that would go, even when we said "no," into my late Mom's bedroom looking for pictures that weren't there. So, I was kind of thinking of that when they couldn't find the weapons.
ynwtf, I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean when you're talking about the gunfire and people not getting hit, and all. The main part I remember is when Tara and Jesus were "dealing" with the pants-wetter inside that room, and the people outside were pinned down, and when they thought the gunfire ceased, they'd fire, and it went back-and-forth. Is that what you mean? I guess that was a little tiresome if you've seen it a million times on various TV shows but it really didn't bother me. I think it was a plot contrivance just to give Tara and Jesus showtime to deal with that d-bag in the room. And all these people are not experts at warfare. Remember them showing one of those guys with Morgan shaking over and over? He wasn't used to war and was scared. I don't know if it was hesitation or what that got him shot. His friend got killed also, and Morgan did get shot---he was just wearing armor. He said before all the gunplay, "I can't die." Like someone on The Talking Dead said, that may come back to bite him. I don't think they'd hesitate to kill Morgan off the show. I think it was a way to throw a little scare into people thinking Morgan was killed, but I didn't for a minute think he was dead. As for him walking down that hall and around corners killing people left-and-right, he was behind the people that ran away after shooting him and the two guys. So, he was at their back, although a few jumped out at him when they saw him...but he was ready for them and they weren't---they thought they'd killed him. Plus, I think it was another instance of the show giving examples of how Morgan went from non-killer to total killing machine. When he invests, he goes all the way. Anyway, that's just my take.
And I'm saying this knowing some spoilers, at least comic-book spoilers that should happen on the show. Showing Rick alive two years down the line is very much in keeping with what happens in the comic. I don't know if the comic just jumps and then stays there, but I don't think so...they're showing what happens before the two-year jump on the show, so I would guess the comic did the same thing. I do know a few BIG things that happen two-years from now in the comic but I won't reveal that. I have a feeling that the show is waiting for the end of the season to give that reveal.
My favorite part of the episode was Aaron and company hitting that outpost, where that woman leader kept saying they were too cowardly to rush them, then realized that they didn't have to, they just had to not kill people with head shots so they'd turn and kill the Saviors. And right after she sees that guy reanimating, she is surprised by a different walker coming around the corner, giving her a big bite. I do like this part of the war a lot---using walkers as weapons. I liked the preview scene they showed on The Talking Dead where the good guys are walking along with the people they captured at the satellite station outpost, and suddenly some Saviors push walkers down the hill towards them as weapons to attack them. I like that tactical stuff. I'm still not sick of the show. I've got characters I'm invested in till their end so I'm staying. And I'm a zombie freak, so no matter what they do, as long there are zombies, I'm there. :) I mean, I even watch that crazy Z Nation show on the SyFy Channel and it rarely makes sense. Not comparing it to TWD at all but just showing how much I love the Z's. :cool:
doubledenim
11-01-17, 01:05 PM
I just remembered I have to finish watching the last ep.
doubledenim
11-01-17, 01:46 PM
That comment made to Morgan by the captive flew over my head. Then it seemed like he pull the trigger, but was out of ammo.
dadgumblah
lol. I just realized how neat your name is as I typed it. ;)
Re: Grimes' targeting. I can buy the rationale, but not the practicality of the written scene. Spoilers if you've not seen the EP ahead, so stop reading now. Negan was on deck. Grimes gave him a count from 10, and opened fire at 7 (if I remember right). He had Negan scoped (presumably, of course, but what other logical assumption could be made if they were their to take out Negan?), fired, then a commercial break was introduced. By all logic, Grimes' first scoped shot should have been on Negan as that was the implication before commercial break. Come back from break and now no one is on the deck, and everyone is aiming at glass. Grimes fired first and had Negan dead to rights. That his body wasn't on the ground after the commercial break is just silly. Write it differently and compose the scene with the awareness of how it all actually plays out, given the rules that were set up for the shot. Or have the foresight to see how silly it will appear and change it.
Re: this last season of Tara stepping into a hallway. I'm not commenting on "people" not getting hit. It was more how Tara just stepped into a hallway that for several minutes had been riddled with gunfire preventing anyone from entering the hall. Not only did she blindly step out, she did so with her gun not drawn in a position to immediately return fire. And she survived for it. I could buy that if Morgan had done it given his superman (or as Gandalf put it, BATMAN!) aggression, but this was just comical to me.
For me, it's more about the writing and technical direction of the show. It's just impractical and silly. That frustrates me terribly because I really want to enjoy this show. To me, it seems like no one is bothering with certain details that if present would have prevented moments that must exist for the story to continue as it is. THAT is phoning it in and breaks my heart given the history of the show. Sure, there have been ups and downs, but two EPs into this season and we're already setting the standard for which the season will follow is just meh.
Ack. I'm poisoning the thread. Sorry for that. I will try to avoid tripping my blood pressure here again ;)
That comment made to Morgan by the captive flew over my head. Then it seemed like he pull the trigger, but was out of ammo.
If it helps, that was the guy that killed the kid way back in last season over the lost melon trap. I couldn't make out the comment, but figured he was like, "oh you're that guy with that kid i killed" or some other reference back to it. I can't remember if he pulled the trigger or not. Tough scene. I think I would have shot him at least.
dadgumblah
11-01-17, 11:33 PM
Originally Posted by doubledenim
I just remembered I have to finish watching the last ep.
Oops! I'm sorry if I spoiled anything vital for you, dd! I blindly assumed that everyone had watched it all the way through. I hope I didn't ruin anything for you.
ywntf, yeah, I hear you. Rick had Negan dead-to-rights and with a scoped-out machine gun no less! I think almost every fan called foul on that crap. Like Conan the Barbarian said in one of Arnold's portrayals, "Enough talk!" right before he hacked a guy with his sword. :) Rick obviously never saw an Arnold movie in TWD universe. :O
There is a lot of clumsiness with the playing out of the gunfight. All I can think is that they just wanted to show (albeit stupidly) how Tara is so gun-ho to get going with firing on these people, and Jesus is not, he's more cautious. I don't know for sure, but I'd bet that this was a simple-minded attempt to set up something that's coming---whether it's Tara or Jesus getting shot because of their disagreement or what, I don't know, but it usually plays out in further episodes.
And Morgan...well, I wasn't sure but like doubledenim said, I thought his gun clicked empty when he put it up against that long-haired Savior's head. But then Jesus asked him not to shoot the guy which would imply that Morgan still had bullets. I need to watch it again and try to listen to see if I can hear a "click" when Morgan puts his gun on the guy. Maybe not. I know from next week's previews, that guy is taunting Morgan again and Morgan wheels around to put his rifle right against the guy and suddenly the walker trap from the top of the rise is sprung. I think, but don't know, that Morgan, Jesus, and Tara are going to be captured by the very people they have hostage. Because I could swear I saw, when they were showing "This season on TWD!" clips, that I could see Tara and others bound by the same rope/wire that they have the Saviors trussed up in. So maybe this will be all about them showing mercy to the Saviors against Tara's wishes and paying for it.
And thanks for the compliment on my name. I'll let you know how I came by it if you want, either here or on PM. :)
doubledenim
11-02-17, 09:19 AM
I know better than to come in to threads worried about being spoiled. I was just being a smart @$$ about stopping the show halfway cuz I wasn't feeling it.
dadgumblah
You can cc me on the memo about your username. I've had an idea about what it means, but there's a possibility I could be wrong for once. :lol:
dadgumblah
11-06-17, 10:54 PM
Now this is more like it! This latest episode connected some dots left dangling, like where exactly Rick and Daryl were---inside the Savior outpost that Aaron and company were attacking. Plus we got the conclusion of what became of the baby left in the room. And of course I totally figured Daryl would come up behind Morales and ice him..
I was wrong about the walkers on the hill being used as weapons by the Saviors. They were just clumsy walkers rolling down the hill. Oh well, the result was the same.
I liked the fact that Daryl is killing Saviors on site, like Morales, and the kid that gave up, although that was a bit shocking with the kid. It's what Tara wanted to do with the Saviors they caught. Rick, who made the big speech about winning, really doesn't work well with war, it seems. Daryl has the right idea, because the Saviors will just go to Negan and give our guys up or kill them on site.
And I really liked the fight between Morgan and Jesus. We know that Morgan wasn't thinking straight because he said, "I'm not right," meaning he was messed up a bit in the head. But he had the right call to shoot at least one of the bound-together prisoners. I wish it had been the guy taunting him, whose name escapes me. Jesus was totally wrong to knock Morgan's gun down. It shows how there can be opposing ways of thinking in war. But I'm totally on Morgan, Daryl, and Tara's side and their "shoot on site" method. This is the zombie apocalypse after all and the Saviors are more and more shown to be remorseless killers and they're counting on Rick's people to be merciful.
I thought Maggie was going to shoot Gregory right between the eyes when he was at the Hilltop fence. Crap! Missed opportunity. I don't see it happening but I'd love for Gabriel to make it back somehow and totally convict Gregory. Sheesh! But I think Gabriel's fate is sealed at the Sanctuary.
Felt bad for Aaron losing Eric. Felt it was going to happen all along, with Aaron not wanting Eric to be there in the first place. I know they saw him walking away as a walker, but I hope they never see him during the war, roaming about.
King Ezekiel, with all his speeches, it was pretty plain that it wasn't going to last. I freeze-framed and saw a glint of a rifle in the top window so that's what Ezekiel saw. I thought at first that the guys covering Ezekiel's body were hit with red arrows for some stupid reasoning of mine, but when I slow-played it I could see that it was streams of blood shooting out of their backs. So that may have shut him up.
I think it's the best episode so far this season.
doubledenim
11-07-17, 09:02 AM
Surprised we haven't seen Neegan again. Wonder if they are saving up for a mid-season finale.
gandalf26
11-07-17, 09:39 AM
Now this is more like it! This latest episode connected some dots left dangling, like where exactly Rick and Daryl were---inside the Savior outpost that Aaron and company were attacking. Plus we got the conclusion of what became of the baby left in the room. And of course I totally figured Daryl would come up behind Morales and ice him..
I was wrong about the walkers on the hill being used as weapons by the Saviors. They were just clumsy walkers rolling down the hill. Oh well, the result was the same.
I liked the fact that Daryl is killing Saviors on site, like Morales, and the kid that gave up, although that was a bit shocking with the kid. It's what Tara wanted to do with the Saviors they caught. Rick, who made the big speech about winning, really doesn't work well with war, it seems. Daryl has the right idea, because the Saviors will just go to Negan and give our guys up or kill them on site.
And I really liked the fight between Morgan and Jesus. We know that Morgan wasn't thinking straight because he said, "I'm not right," meaning he was messed up a bit in the head. But he had the right call to shoot at least one of the bound-together prisoners. I wish it had been the guy taunting him, whose name escapes me. Jesus was totally wrong to knock Morgan's gun down. It shows how there can be opposing ways of thinking in war. But I'm totally on Morgan, Daryl, and Tara's side and their "shoot on site" method. This is the zombie apocalypse after all and the Saviors are more and more shown to be remorseless killers and they're counting on Rick's people to be merciful.
I thought Maggie was going to shoot Gregory right between the eyes when he was at the Hilltop fence. Crap! Missed opportunity. I don't see it happening but I'd love for Gabriel to make it back somehow and totally convict Gregory. Sheesh! But I think Gabriel's fate is sealed at the Sanctuary.
Felt bad for Aaron losing Eric. Felt it was going to happen all along, with Aaron not wanting Eric to be there in the first place. I know they saw him walking away as a walker, but I hope they never see him during the war, roaming about.
King Ezekiel, with all his speeches, it was pretty plain that it wasn't going to last. I freeze-framed and saw a glint of a rifle in the top window so that's what Ezekiel saw. I thought at first that the guys covering Ezekiel's body were hit with red arrows for some stupid reasoning of mine, but when I slow-played it I could see that it was streams of blood shooting out of their backs. So that may have shut him up.
I think it's the best episode so far this season.
Disagree with just about everything here.
I think part of the problem with this opening is that it's 1 long episode spread out over 3 or more episodes. Should have just been a feature length opening episode.
Morales comeback is even more lame now that they iced him a couple of minutes after he re-appeared. It has to be the worst comeback in TV history, even just for the fact that virtually NO ONE can remember him.
I'm on Jesus side on that issue, you can't just execute everyone, it's like executing every German who served under Hitler.
Gregory, I was sure was gonna be eaten by a walker when he was at the gate, just kill him FFS.
Gay guy (don't remember name) and his BF(definitely don't remember name) got way too much screen time, yawn another drawn out scene featuring characters we don't give a **** about.
Ezekiel and co, LOL bad how they are dead to rights in the woods but they turn the tables without a scratch. Like who is even planning out and storyboarding this ****. Also the weird jumping between speech and future events just didn't work well imo.
Best scene this season by far was when we got to see Rosita for like 2 seconds, hot damn!
I think I have reached my limit, will simply be watching in bulk from now just to see what happens when I have it all stored up.
RIP what was once a great show.
dadgumblah
11-08-17, 12:58 AM
Originally Posted by gandalf26
Disagree with just about everything here.
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Captain Steel
11-13-17, 12:56 AM
I'm sorry, but a bunch of zombies could not take down an adult tiger.
Even if a hundred of them got on top of it at once, that tiger would wriggle out from under them before they could even bring their jaws together - even if it was an intelligent and concerted effort carried out by organized olympic-athlete-level men (no less a bunch of slow moving, disorganized zombies).
Ever try to forcibly pin down a house cat? It's not easy. Now imagine that cat weighs 800 lbs! There's really no number of humans (alive or dead) that could pin down an adult tiger, because before enough people could physically immobilize the tiger, they'd just end up tripping each other up and smothering each other (like a bunch of braindead zombies). While the tiger would use it's incredible strength, speed, razor sharp claws and fangs to get out from under the pile the second it started to feel closed in. Just by rolling a tiger could throw off about 20 human bodies (crushing several of them in the process) and a tiger can roll multiple times if it has to before we can even blink our eyes.
dadgumblah
11-13-17, 06:19 AM
But Captain, this is fiction. :D I kid! I kid
This is one of the moments I knew was coming due to seeing it in the comics. I don't think Shiva was trying to escape. I think he was fighting with them so Ezekiel could get away. I mean, if the tiger can attack whomever Ezekiel dictates, why can't it stand it's ground to fight walkers while its master escapes. I never put too much thought into this anymore, I just roll with it. It just seems at this point, if Kirkman wrote it, it'll make it into the show whether we want it or not. I'm fine with that. This is fiction and I know, even in horror fiction, you have to follow the rules you've set for your world, but the logic you laid out above doesn't necessarily apply in this world of TWD. I'm having fun with it. I can't wait for the next big death! :D
Captain Steel
Thank you lol.
*eyes fancy new signature addition, with a proper Vanna White gesture.*
gandalf26
11-14-17, 03:54 AM
Actually felt it was a decent episode for a change.
Carol being a Badass: check
Walking Dead actually a threat: check
Hopefully the long battle is over now both sides will lick wounds for a bit.
dadgumblah
11-14-17, 04:10 AM
Yeah, looks like next week we're gonna have Negan holding court in over his main men, trying to suss out who traitor in his midst is. Ought to be pretty good.
gandalf26
11-14-17, 06:38 AM
Yeah, looks like next week we're gonna have Negan holding court in over his main men, trying to suss out who traitor in his midst is. Ought to be pretty good.
I thought the trailer made it look like they are trying to figure it out without Negan, who is trapped in trailer with priest.
dadgumblah
11-14-17, 06:39 AM
Hmm, I'll have to check it out again. I could have sworn he was at the table. But I'm frequently wrong when I'm sure I'm right, if that makes sense. :p
gandalf26
11-14-17, 06:42 AM
Hmm, I'll have to check it out again. I could have sworn he was at the table. But I'm frequently wrong when I'm sure I'm right, if that makes sense. :p
Did someone on the Internet just admit to being wrong :)
dadgumblah
11-14-17, 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by gandalf26
Did someone on the Internet just admit to being wrong :)
Why, of course! I'm nothing if not dishonest, uh, I mean I'm nothing if not nothing, um, well, you know. :rolleyes:
gandalf26
11-15-17, 11:35 AM
Also RIP Shiva, another victim of the CGI budget along with Lady, Summer, Grey Wind, Shaggydog and to an extent Ghost and Nymeria.
Doolallyfrank
11-15-17, 12:08 PM
Hmm, I'll have to check it out again. I could have sworn he was at the table. But I'm frequently wrong when I'm sure I'm right, if that makes sense. :p
Dwight and Simon are going head to head in Negan's absence
doubledenim
11-15-17, 12:09 PM
I don't recall exactly how Ezekiel's revelation came about(I've started background watching TWD), whether he was a zookeeper or circus member.
After his facade started crumbling, I thought, "guess this the ep. that the tiger dies." No need for a has-been to keep that power-up.
Good luck dealing with a zomger!
Well. I am happy to say that I actually enjoyed last night's EP. Honest dialogue, a few revelations, and legit conflict and resolution. There were a few obvious (but much needed) philosophical comparisons made between Negan's motivation and Rick's, and the tactics used by both groups to reach their goals. I assume they will soon realize that they are more or less the same, and it is that potential conflict that interests me most right now in the series.
I'm being vague on purpose. Point is, I thought it was a good EP.
What number episode is that? I havent been at home for a few weeks so lost count.
dadgumblah
11-21-17, 05:34 AM
Dani, that was Episode #5, with three more to go before the Winter break, then they return the 11th of February.
Dani, that was Episode #5, with three more to go before the Winter break, then they return the 11th of February.
Thanks dad. And thanks for the return date as well- gives me time to catch up on my movie watch list. Seems like ahs finale has been and gone. It's actually been good to lose attachment to these shows for a bit of an addiction break.
dadgumblah
11-23-17, 11:23 PM
I know, I've gotten into the habit of dropping shows that (for me) have gone long past their "sell-by" date. In other words, worn out their welcome. I'm not even near there with The Walking Dead, but I've dropped other shows that just went on too long. I was a huge fan of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation with William Petersen because I'm a fan of his and really thought it was a unique show. But he eventually left, and several cast members followed over the seasons and then it became a big turnstile, with people leaving, coming back, leaving and I got sick of it. And I guess the novelty of it all wore off.
But I watched CSI: New York faithfully from day one till the very last episode because I liked the dynamic of the cast. I never even tried CSI: Miami because for me, they made it a show not about a team investigation but kind of "the David Caruso Show" and I didn't like that. Still, I like to watch the reruns just at the opening when Caruso checks out the murder scene, takes off or puts on his sunglasses and spouts some groaner of a line dealing with the murder, then The Who shout "Yeah!" and the edited version of "Won't Get Fooled Again" starts. YouTube has a video compilation of all those opening lines and the "Yeah!" but I won't post it because I've done it to other people on various boards and some of them didn't have the same sense of humor I do and complained. :(
I gave up on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. because they started to repeat story lines, the last one I saw being the team getting replaced by imposters who didn't know the differences. I'm sick of that story---I've seen it I don't know how many times, so I gave up on them.
Thanks to some nice folks here at MoFo I'm interested in The Orville, the fairly new space show. I've missed the first six episodes but got a "catch-up" on them via On Demand, and via the same service I can watched the remainder of the episodes.
Anyway, enough from me, hung over from turkey and with nothing on cable. Maybe I'll watch a DVD or just play some games on the computer. Hope all is well with everyone here on The Walking Dead Thread! :)
gbgoodies
11-24-17, 02:49 AM
I know, I've gotten into the habit of dropping shows that (for me) have gone long past their "sell-by" date. In other words, worn out their welcome. I'm not even near there with The Walking Dead, but I've dropped other shows that just went on too long. I was a huge fan of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation with William Petersen because I'm a fan of his and really thought it was a unique show. But he eventually left, and several cast members followed over the seasons and then it became a big turnstile, with people leaving, coming back, leaving and I got sick of it. And I guess the novelty of it all wore off.
But I watched CSI: New York faithfully from day one till the very last episode because I liked the dynamic of the cast. I never even tried CSI: Miami because for me, they made it a show not about a team investigation but kind of "the David Caruso Show" and I didn't like that. Still, I like to watch the reruns just at the opening when Caruso checks out the murder scene, takes off or puts on his sunglasses and spouts some groaner of a line dealing with the murder, then The Who shout "Yeah!" and the edited version of "Won't Get Fooled Again" starts. YouTube has a video compilation of all those opening lines and the "Yeah!" but I won't post it because I've done it to other people on various boards and some of them didn't have the same sense of humor I do and complained. :(
I gave up on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. because they started to repeat story lines, the last one I saw being the team getting replaced by imposters who didn't know the differences. I'm sick of that story---I've seen it I don't know how many times, so I gave up on them.
Thanks to some nice folks here at MoFo I'm interested in The Orville, the fairly new space show. I've missed the first six episodes but got a "catch-up" on them via On Demand, and via the same service I can watched the remainder of the episodes.
Anyway, enough from me, hung over from turkey and with nothing on cable. Maybe I'll watch a DVD or just play some games on the computer. Hope all is well with everyone here on The Walking Dead Thread! :)
I was a big fan of "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" with William Petersen too, but I never gave up on the show, even after he left. The show wasn't as good without him, but it wasn't bad enough to give up on it.
I also stuck with "CSI: Miami" and "CSI: New York" throughout both of their runs, but I thought about giving up on "CSI: Miami" several times. It was definitely the weakest of the three shows. I loved "CSI: New York" from start to finish, and it was the only one of the three CSI shows that I was sad to see cancelled.
I haven't given up on "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." yet, but I'm definitely on the fence with it. It's supposed to come back on the air soon, and I'm hoping that it will get better, but if it doesn't, it's very close to the top of my list of shows that might get dropped. (I almost gave up on "Arrow" a couple of times, but I stuck with it, and it's gotten much better recently, so I'm glad I stuck with it. That's why I always try to give shows longer than they deserve before giving up on them. I don't want to give up on a show and then find out later that it got better, and I made a mistake giving it up too soon.)
I highly recommend "The Orville". I didn't have high hopes for it because I don't watch any other Seth MacFarlane shows, but it quickly became one of my favorite new shows.
hubby hasnt brought in the recordrd eps of twd yet so i dont think hes seen it himself.
hope ya'allwalkers had a lovely thanksgiving
dadgumblah
11-24-17, 05:16 AM
Originally Posted by gbgoodies
I was a big fan of "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" with William Petersen too, but I never gave up on the show, even after he left. The show wasn't as good without him, but it wasn't bad enough to give up on it.
I also stuck with "CSI: Miami" and "CSI: New York" throughout both of their runs, but I thought about giving up on "CSI: Miami" several times. It was definitely the weakest of the three shows. I loved "CSI: New York" from start to finish, and it was the only one of the three CSI shows that I was sad to see cancelled.
I stuck with the original CSI through Laurence Fishburne's run but never watched Ted Danson's episodes nor Elizabeth Shue's, although I like both of the actors. But I did watch the series finale where Petersen came back for Jorja Fox. I liked that.
I'm really looking forward to The Orville. A lot of people seem to like it, including my older brother and he is very hard to please when it comes to TV shows. He stopped watching TWD when they didn't reveal who Negan killed on the Season 6 Finale. I was a bit ticked but not enough to give up. Anyhow...
Dani, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours as well. I was going to avoid going anywhere tomorrow as it's Black Friday but I have to go the supermarket and get a few things. I hope it's not bad there. *sigh* Horrible shoppers are the real walking dead to me.
Dani, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours as well. I was going to avoid going anywhere tomorrow as it's Black Friday but I have to go the supermarket and get a few things. I hope it's not bad there. *sigh* Horrible shoppers are the [fpoI]real[/I] walking dead to me.
wrong season for us, dad, and we dont celebrate it in the right season anyway (not sure why when so many were boat arrivals were Anglo celt , but thanks for your lovely thanksgiving wishes. I really want to celebrate it one day.
Tomorrow -doing nada. Not at home at the moment and not sure if today was
black friday or not here but shopping sale or no sale - nothankss
dadgumblah
11-24-17, 06:46 AM
Thank you, Dani. I knew Thanksgiving was an American thing but since you wished it on us, I just wanted to give you the gesture back. It's just a time of year that I start thinking of my people that aren't around anymore. Not to be morose or anything, just ruminating on the past. The past rears its head at this time of year, ugly or sweet, and I deal. It's a bit of a comfort to have friends here at MoFo to talk to and share movies and TV with. Anyway, now for the run up to Christmas. :)
Thank you, Dani. I knew Thanksgiving was an American thing but since you wished it on us, I just wanted to give you the gesture back. It's just a time of year that I start thinking of my people that aren't around anymore. Not to be morose or anything, just ruminating on the past. The past rears its head at this time of year, ugly or sweet, and I deal. It's a bit of a comfort to have friends here at MoFo to talk to and share movies and TV with. Anyway, now for the run up to Christmas. :)
yeah that's xmas for me.time for loved ones and to celebrate those gone.
dadgumblah
11-29-17, 11:26 PM
Latest episode? Thoughts? I liked it. Big surprise, huh? :)
Latest episode? Thoughts? I liked it. Big surprise, huh? :)
What episode is it up to, dad? I always forget about TWD but I'll let Mr D know
Captain Steel
11-29-17, 11:36 PM
Latest episode? Thoughts? I liked it. Big surprise, huh? :)
I don't know if it was the last episode or the one before, but I thought the whole Rick vs. Daryl fight was lame.
(After all this time Daryl's gonna be a dick now and wreck all the plans they spent so much time forming, sacrificed and worked so hard for? Of course, his reaction is probably because he's wondering what we all are - why didn't Rick just shoot Negan when he walked out that door a few episodes back and Rick had a clear shot and could've ended it all right there? Answer - that's what anyone would've done in real life, but then we wouldn't have a TV show - which has nothing to do with real life since it's about zombies!) ;)
dadgumblah
11-29-17, 11:42 PM
Man, I think I was thinking of the previous episode. It's up to Episode 6, and holy crap! I just realized I haven't watched the entire episode yet! I was sure I had but I've been sick since Sunday night and forget to pick back up...I think. It's not on my DVR and I've been out of it! Crap! I need to get on my On Demand and see if it's there! :eek: I remember certain things happening but I'm not sure if I remember the end or watching the after-show with Chris Hardwicke.
thanks, D :up:
I'll watch it when I get home but will give hubby the heads up
Watch_Tower
11-30-17, 06:58 AM
The worst season of TWD ever.
dadgumblah
12-02-17, 03:07 AM
Well, I watched it on On Demand and it turns out I did see it but it was late, I was sick, and half-remembered what happened. I did indeed like it as it turns out. I particularly liked Rosita being prominently featured on the episode and blowing up the guy with a rocket launcher. :cool:
I also enjoyed Maggie throwing Gregory into the newly-constructed jail-pen just inside the gates along with the Savior prisoners. I couldn't help but laugh when the two guys were dragging Gregory to the pen and he started crying, saying, "I haven't done anything!" Oh no, just left Father Gabriel for dead, trapped at the Sanctuary. And while he's struggling not to go into the pen, he gets his head bonked on one of the posts and gets a bloody head. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!
I was (shock! surprise!) disappointed by Rick's actions in going to the junkyard people, whatever they call them and trying to make a deal with them. And then getting turned down by Jadis, their leader and thrown into a shipping container. It was interesting seeing her mark a big "A" on it in chalk, as if indicating another container will be used for something else. I don't know. At this point, I guess I'm going along with everyone else and getting sick of his pacifism in trying to save people.
Which leads me to my next bit of wondering: is Daryl and the rest of the crew in the garbage truck going to ram open a big hole in the Sanctuary, letting all the walkers in? I think Daryl, Tara, and Rosita have no problem in "innocent" people at the Sanctuary dying if it means Negan and his crew dying also. Daryl has just as much admitted it with his actions and in fighting Rick and Tara wanted to kill all the Saviors they caught. I just don't know what Michonne thinks about it all. She's with them, but is she with them? Hmm.
What was the deal with Rick opening up the microwave sitting on the wheelbarrow at the side of the road? Is this their system of mail now? He was reading Maggie's words. And people handed Maggie paper where she read what Carol said about the Kingdom's few survivors from their last ordeal. And Carol was also reading what Maggie had written. So it appears they have a mail system between the communities.
I just kind of want to see Rick's "leadership" slip some more because at this point, most of the people are chafing against his wanting to be humane. They are ready to kill to survive and they don't seem to much care if they kill men, women, and children to overthrow Negan. They haven't yet, but they seem willing.
Doolallyfrank
12-06-17, 06:46 AM
The problem with Daryl's plan is that it'll unite the saviours rather than have them give up peacefully
dadgumblah
12-07-17, 03:29 AM
Originally Posted by Doolallyfrank
The problem with Daryl's plan is that it'll unite the saviours rather than have them give up peacefully
That, and it opens a big hole for the Saviors to get out, which defeats Rick's plans. I think that's what Michonne was talking about when she said something like, "Things are good as they are now" or some such. She meant that they were trapped by the walkers for now, no matter what, but Daryl's gone off plan and screwed the pooch.
Yeah, Rick was stupid to go to Jadis and her group and get turned down and then magically beat the crap out of the three or four guys that came at him, rip the head off the zombie and knock Jadis down and threaten her with the chomping zombie noggin! I kind of laughed at all that. It was very improbable but it was entertaining. And the fact that Jadis got her gun people to stand down and not kill Rick was...I don't know. This is several times that things have gone wrong when Rick should have killed Jadis but this time she seems to respect him. I guess letting her live again impressed her. I can't wait though. I'm going to a Walking Dead wiki and see what happens with her and her Scavengers ultimately. I know we can blame the show runners for some of the annoying stuff, but then again, Robert Kirkman is one of the show runners and he writes the comic so I'm guessing they're still following his basic blueprint to keep him happy. So basically what we're seeing is the comic played out, unless the after-show makes a point (and they usually do) that the show is straying from the comic on a certain story line.
gandalf26
12-12-17, 09:39 AM
This show makes my brain hurt (or maybe if I had a brain I wouldnt keep watching).
The scene where the Saviours roll up on Maggie and co at the roadblock. Why do they sit in the cars and do nothing and just hand over the guns? Looks like at best there are 10-12 Saviours and 6 cars full of Hilltop armed soldiers, the Saviours are way outnembered and outgunned yet Hilltop just rolls over. Scenes like this are the thing that has ruined TWD, basic logic is abandoned.
dadgumblah
12-13-17, 02:29 AM
I understand your frustration. I was really honked off with the fight between Rick and Negan inside the Rick's house, and when Rick finally gets the drop on Negan with his gun, he doesn't fire??? What!? And all this time he's been saying, "Only one man has to die." What the hell?
And then we have Carl get bitten. And because it was in the stomach he can't have the wound cut off like you could a limb. So, he's doomed. Then what the hell was that scene at the very first of the season with a grey-bearded Rick lying in bed, then going into the dining room of some house where Judith, Michonne, AND Carl were all alive? It was supposed to be a flash-forward like the comic. Are they gonna cop out now and say that was a dream? I mean the coming death of Carl is a surprise and yes, gives the show more weight in daring to do that, but damn, man, give us as fans something, like a huge victory or two, or the death of a bad guy at the hands of our heroes. And no, Maggie shooting the guy from the outside pen/jail doesn't count because in all honesty, I'd forgotten who the crap that guy was.
And were we supposed to feel something for Neil or whatever his name was when Simon shot him while he sat in the backseat of Maggie's vehicle? I don't remember that guy at all. They give him a lame throwaway line like, "Damn straight!" so we'll notice he's sitting there and then we're supposed to feel for the guy when he's offed? I don't think so. I think this was the weakest mid-season finale yet and I'm usually championing this show. But this one was pretty lame.
Your journey to the Dark Side is now complete.
;)
I'm soooo tempted to open dad's Carl spoiler but I havent seen this season yet and I just know it doesnt say
NEGAN KILLS HIM!
dadgumblah
12-14-17, 11:00 PM
No, Dani, Negan doesn't kill him but it's not for lack of trying on Negan's part. :)
Captain Steel
12-14-17, 11:57 PM
I understand your frustration. I was really honked off with the fight between Rick and Negan inside the Rick's house, and when Rick finally gets the drop on Negan with his gun, he doesn't fire??? What!? And all this time he's been saying, "Only one man has to die." What the hell?
And then we have Carl get bitten. And because it was in the stomach he can't have the wound cut off like you could a limb. So, he's doomed. Then what the hell was that scene at the very first of the season with a grey-bearded Rick lying in bed, then going into the dining room of some house where Judith, Michonne, AND Carl were all alive? It was supposed to be a flash-forward like the comic. Are they gonna cop out now and say that was a dream? I mean the coming death of Carl is a surprise and yes, gives the show more weight in daring to do that, but damn, man, give us as fans something, like a huge victory or two, or the death of a bad guy at the hands of our heroes. And no, Maggie shooting the guy from the outside pen/jail doesn't count because in all honesty, I'd forgotten who the crap that guy was.
And were we supposed to feel something for Neil or whatever his name was when Simon shot him while he sat in the backseat of Maggie's vehicle? I don't remember that guy at all. They give him a lame throwaway line like, "Damn straight!" so we'll notice he's sitting there and then we're supposed to feel for the guy when he's offed? I don't think so. I think this was the weakest mid-season finale yet and I'm usually championing this show. But this one was pretty lame.
Yeah, I didn't even know who Simon shot - I was pissed at that scene. First I thought they shot Jerry, but then they show Jerry still on his knees with a gun to his head. Then I thought he shot Jesus, but he's okay... and the guy in the back seat behind Jesus is okay, but there's blood on the back window. Talk about a throw-away character - I didn't even know there was a guy that had been sitting behind Maggie! ;)
On Carl: My feeling is the actor grew up too fast. If we look at how much time was supposed to have past and how fast Carl went through puberty, he had an unnaturally fast growth spurt. I don't know where they are in the comic now, but Carl was a little kid for most of the part of the series I was familiar with. That's always a problem when using kids on the verge of adolescence in TV series that are basically serials (where time passes sequentially, but at a much slower rate than reality since they have a week between each episodes and season breaks of several months).
The question now is: will Enid give Carl some mercy love as a goodbye present? (Or, is the virus communicable through "having relations"? Did they ever address that?)
dadgumblah
12-15-17, 01:12 AM
Heh, heh, I liked the "Coral" reference there, Captain. As for Enid, remember she's at Oceanside with Aaron and she shot that Grandma character that ran the place, and her granddaughter is weeping over her body and everyone has guns pointed at Aaron and Enid. Doesn't look too good for Enid at least. So I'm not sure she'd even be able to get back to Carl to give him some Walker World Woo-Woo. Speaking of Oceanside, Rick and Company took all their weapons. Where did they get these? Hmm. A blooper or a show mystery to be solved? The way things have been going lately I'm going to call blooper that they won't even try to explain. :(
GrantD2
12-15-17, 02:44 AM
I've defended The Walking Dead for several seasons up to this point, but it's finally lost me. AMC refuses to give it the budget it deserves, and everything suffers as a result: the visuals, effects, writing....everything. Some parts of the story remain interesting, but for the most part it's become a stagnate, repetitive mess. I don't think Gimple is the best showrunner in the world, either, but I don't think all of this falls on him (again, budget).
I'm not one to stop watching a show cold turkey as I try to finish everything I start, but I can't say I'm looking forward to the second half of season eight.
There was not a single moment in this episode that felt earned. The writing has just gotten so mediocre, even with the characters.
SPOILERS
I can't stand Eugiene, they failed to make him interesting.
Editing was horrible, I had no idea what was even happening sometimes. Who got killed? lol idk.
Rick's character has become uninteresting, and the writing has become so lazy that they keep on post-poning something that could've happened long ago. He had the upperhand to Neagan twice! Why didn't he shoot him? Idk man, lol. What about when Neagan was on the floor and Rick had the bob-wire bat! "Lol, nah fam I will hit him with the butt of the bat and not bash his head in because reasons"
Also, Carl with the bite mark? Where did that come from?
Can I also say that because the show has been so lackluster, literally nothing gets a real emotional response from me anymore? They basically confirmed that Carl was going to die, and I was like "Meh". I am just so exhausted from the show. I'm sure I will get sad later, cause he was a good character.
The show has been plummeting in ratings, I have a lot of friends who LIVED for Walking Dead a couple of years ago, now even they are disinterested. When I told them about Carl they were like "Oh really? Okay". Please, the show just doesn't have much thread left to pull from, get good, strong writers to conclude the show with Season 9, I want to have good memories of Walking Dead when I look back 5 years later, I've invested so much time, we deserve better.
Captain Steel
12-17-17, 05:26 PM
I have a lot of friends who LIVED for Walking DEAD
Heh! That's kind of funny! ;)
gandalf26
12-17-17, 05:31 PM
I feel bad for the cast who have to sit around on Talking Dead bigging up the show when all they are really thinking is get me out of this ****. TWD isn't even a big enough show anymore to have a sit down talk show afterwards.
So has everyone here stopped watching? I had to use the search function to find the thread.
At the end of the latest ep even Mr D said 'that was 1 and a half minutes of entertainment and the rest of I do not know what', and we laughed at our confusion. I found absolutely nothing to cheer about and I really should have. The whole thing with the ever present score (OMG shoot the violinists and their sad sad music. I swear they are pumping up the volume), the crying (dont even get me started. I'm so over the blubbering which seems to be in every single episode these days), the flash forwards or whatever the hell they are to a big grey beard...just all made it feel like one big daytime soap and I was really happy when the end credits came up. I dont remember much from last year's season so I was completely lost, but Mr D said it didnt make much sense to him either.
OK whine over. I was really surprised no one else had bumped the thread. I know there were quite a few complaints in here last season but cant think for a moment you guys just all went cold turkey. Where are you all?
To finish on a positive note, the little girl who plays Rick's daughter is absolutely beautiful. I wonder how many people were needed to hold her down to put mascara on her at that age, though! Lipstick I can understand for a toddler; not mascara.
Eh that's all I can muster at this point. Need to sleep on it.
Captain Steel
03-03-18, 12:47 PM
So has everyone here stopped watching? I had to use the search function to find the thread.
At the end of the latest ep even Mr D said 'that was 1 and a half minutes of entertainment and the rest of I do not know what', and we laughed at our confusion. I found absolutely nothing to cheer about and I really should have. The whole thing with the ever present score (OMG shoot the violinists and their sad sad music. I swear they are pumping up the volume), the crying (dont even get me started. I'm so over the blubbering which seems to be in every single episode these days), the flash forwards or whatever the hell they are to a big grey beard...just all made it feel like one big daytime soap and I was really happy when the end credits came up. I dont remember much from last year's season so I was completely lost, but Mr D said it didnt make much sense to him either.
OK whine over. I was really surprised no one else had bumped the thread. I know there were quite a few complaints in here last season but cant think for a moment you guys just all went cold turkey. Where are you all?
To finish on a positive note, the little girl who plays Rick's daughter is absolutely beautiful. I wonder how many people were needed to hold her down to put mascara on her at that age, though! Lipstick I can understand for a toddler; not mascara.
Eh that's all I can muster at this point. Need to sleep on it.
They had Negan hold her down for make-up! ;)
I still watch. But I'm almost always doing some second task at the same time.
I still watch. But I'm almost always doing some second task at the same time.
Yeah it's a bit like that, isnt it. I was watching it but not sure I gave it my full attention because I kept wondering if the writers were on drugs or dreaming about their next room.
gandalf26
03-04-18, 10:03 AM
I actually quite enjoyed the last episode.
dadgumblah
03-05-18, 11:42 PM
I enjoyed last night's episode also. I particularly got a kick out of Jadis' and the grinder. :) Yum, yum!
I think Simon is in deep do-do. I hope next week follows up with the results of his mistake. Wow.
Will we ever have Rick explain why he didn't kill Negan when he had him dead-to-rights twice? That's the only thing that's really bugging me. I can deal with anything else.
gandalf26
03-09-18, 11:41 AM
Not sure how many more times I can handle larger groups of people simply handing over their weapons to smaller groups.
So has everyone here stopped watching? I had to use the search function to find the thread.
At the end of the latest ep even Mr D said 'that was 1 and a half minutes of entertainment and the rest of I do not know what', and we laughed at our confusion. I found absolutely nothing to cheer about and I really should have. The whole thing with the ever present score (OMG shoot the violinists and their sad sad music. I swear they are pumping up the volume), the crying (dont even get me started. I'm so over the blubbering which seems to be in every single episode these days), the flash forwards or whatever the hell they are to a big grey beard...just all made it feel like one big daytime soap and I was really happy when the end credits came up. I dont remember much from last year's season so I was completely lost, but Mr D said it didnt make much sense to him either.
OK whine over. I was really surprised no one else had bumped the thread. I know there were quite a few complaints in here last season but cant think for a moment you guys just all went cold turkey. Where are you all?
To finish on a positive note, the little girl who plays Rick's daughter is absolutely beautiful. I wonder how many people were needed to hold her down to put mascara on her at that age, though! Lipstick I can understand for a toddler; not mascara.
Eh that's all I can muster at this point. Need to sleep on it.
I couldn't get into the premier episode. I think I spent more time on my mobile checking posts here than I did watching the show =( I can't put my finger on it, but it just felt to be a really drawn out episode going all the way back to the start of the season. I didn't try to watch last week's episode, and I'm afraid I've just let go. I struggled with it last year and was a bit emotional over my decreased connection. Now I think it's just a clean spike to the head, and I've put it down to remember the show as it once was to me.
gandalf26
03-09-18, 12:28 PM
I thibk they really need to think about bringing the whole thing to a conclusion next season.
If you had a money printing machine, would you turn it off?
Anyway, there could be a genuine creative revival with a big change, in the comics, that's almost certainly coming in the next year or two. That's the only hope, at this point.
I hate being polarized. I remember when I started the series I found a lot of it goofy, but it was also fun. So much of itI overlooked for that fun and novelty of everything else about the show. Since starting though, I've become spoiled with the quality of other shows I've picked up on over the years. Now, I just find it goofy and rote without any honest drama or discovery. Maybe my expectations are too high.
Do you think it can continue for another 2 years to reach a new spike? If so, I'd be happy to revisit these current episodes later on Netflix if I know that they are leading to something worthwhile and fresh again. Right now though, I just don't see it happening.
gandalf26
03-09-18, 03:29 PM
If you had a money printing machine, would you turn it off?
Anyway, there could be a genuine creative revival with a big change, in the comics, that's almost certainly coming in the next year or two. That's the only hope, at this point.
I obviously don't know the Base numbers, but how long before a show with a quite large cast (compared with prev seasons), rising salaries, lower audience/advertising $$ slides into break even/unprofitability?
gandalf26
03-09-18, 03:30 PM
I hate being polarized. I remember when I started the series I found a lot of it goofy, but it was also fun. So much of itI overlooked for that fun and novelty of everything else about the show. Since starting though, I've become spoiled with the quality of other shows I've picked up on over the years. Now, I just find it goofy and rote without any honest drama or discovery. Maybe my expectations are too high.
Do you think it can continue for another 2 years to reach a new spike? If so, I'd be happy to revisit these current episodes later on Netflix if I know that they are leading to something worthwhile and fresh again. Right now though, I just don't see it happening.
I hope it gets better and continues. I think it would help for really stupid stuff to stop happening.
I couldn't get into the premier episode. I think I spent more time on my mobile checking posts here than I did watching the show =( I can't put my finger on it, but it just felt to be a really drawn out episode going all the way back to the start of the season. I didn't try to watch last week's episode, and I'm afraid I've just let go. I struggled with it last year and was a bit emotional over my decreased connection. Now I think it's just a clean spike to the head, and I've put it down to remember the show as it once was to me.
yeah pretty much how i feel and have done for some time but i was surprised when it crept up on my husband a while ago because he was such a fan and then he had the same experience as you with the first episode. I dont think he even knows ep. 2 has aired, or just doesnt care. i didnt know/care either. I was just surprised this thread was so quiet and bumped it to see if anyone else felt the same way
I obviously don't know the Base numbers, but how long before a show with a quite large cast (compared with prev seasons), rising salaries, lower audience/advertising $$ slides into break even/unprofitability?
I don't wanna be specific because this could be spoiler-y, but if you Google around there's a bit of controversy over a cast member with another show lined up who wants a pay increase, and it sounds like they might let them leave. What you're describing is definitely a big problem to any show built around a group of characters, which most are (there's no House without Hugh Laurie, for example), but TWD is uniquely equipped to do without quite a few of its main characters if it has to.
I think I'd enjoy a solid house cleaning. I mean as long as it's not telegraphed a year out or faked out hiding under dumpsters to feign surprise when it actually does happen an EP or two later.
Honestly though I think I would be satisfied with just realistic cause and effect dynamics. Do something stupid? You don't survive. Or not for very long.
Iderno lol. I gotta hide from this thread due to blood pressure!
:D
If you had a money printing machine, would you turn it off?
HA! Always the way with tv shows (and movie franchises) and so is your comment about an actor getting snooty with a dutch oven scenario. I cant say I blame them though. I would probably do the same thing, but I'm not going to magically turn into an actor any time soon.
I agree with ynwtf's comment about a jolly good house cleaning in this show.
Captain Steel
03-09-18, 06:00 PM
Basically, they need to get the drop on Negan... but then NOT kill him. Something would happen where Negan's presence would save the day, and they'd realize he's a greater asset as a living weapon under their control than if they were to simply kill him.
Of course, starting out, Negan would have to be treated as a prisoner, but in time he could effectively become the wolf living amongst the sheep - and what we saw in Carl's dream would become a reality. And when Negan becomes a step-dad to Judith, he slowly gains her loyalty and indoctrinates her. It would be like what happened in Battlestar Galactica (original) when Baltar was captured and went back to living with humanity. Lots of people would still want Negan dead, so the show's drama would then derive from the idea of is the greater threat from without or within.
both of us enjoyed that episode and not just because of the hotdog making scene eventhough that was pretty cool
And I googled for what I think Yoda was talking about. Very interesting. OT for a sec - Holy hell the Game of Thrones' salaries :eek:
dadgumblah
03-11-18, 07:03 AM
Yeah, I know who y'all are talking about with the salary increase thing. I don't think this person is going to get their way but we'll see. I think this is the first person to make a stand like this on this show, isn't it? Very interesting but I don't see a good outcome for the character if this person keeps pressing. Oh well.
Looks like the ratings this season--while still high--are around the lowest since season two. Was already pretty sure the show had peaked, but it's possible it could drop off more suddenly than expected. The last two weeks, in particular, saw a pretty steep decline.
GrantD2
03-19-18, 05:28 PM
Looks like the ratings this season--while still high--are around the lowest since season two. Was already pretty sure the show had peaked, but it's possible it could drop off more suddenly than expected. The last two weeks, in particular, saw a pretty steep decline.
Still the biggest money maker for AMC I believe. They're gonna milk it until it goes red.
dadgumblah
03-19-18, 06:51 PM
Still the biggest money maker for AMC I believe. They're gonna milk it until it goes red.
Yeah, even though I'll stick with it till the bitter end, there's something to be said for Britain's way of having maybe a two-season show, or making their seasons shorter as compared to American shows. For the most part they don't wear out their welcome and I'm afraid that TWD will do that if they don't start playing with the story lines. I say don't stick strictly to the comics and do more of your own thing, which they have done to an extent. I swear, I'm one of the biggest apologists for the show, but seeing Rick last night just running wildly at Negan's overturned car, firing wildly, not even aiming at anything in particular and wasting bullets, almost had me in fits. Wait until you see a damn target, then pull the trigger. One head shot. Done! But Jeffrey Dean Morgan is popular (and I love the guy, too) so I think they're going to milk Negan for all he's worth. Everyone on the show (except maybe the person holding out for a bigger salary) seems to be happy so I don't see them getting rid of Scott Gimple, the showrunner, and right now, I think he's the biggest problem. Everything seemed to flow a bit better before he came along with his firm grip. Only time will tell, I guess.
That said, I'm really looking forward to Fear the Walking Dead with new cast members coming along that I like, including Maggie Grace and Garret Dillahunt, so it looks exciting.
gandalf26
03-20-18, 11:32 AM
Yea I had literally no concern for Negan or Ricks safety, they are trying to get the 2 most interesting characters together on screen and we ve had 2 quite silly fights in recent episodes. I was briefly amused when I thought Rick might kidnap Lucille but nope.
The car chase was pathetic, looked like they were doing about 30mph then they skip filming the actual crash itself. I thought Negan was gonna show up and kill Simon at the end but garbage woman showed up at the exact right place and time and was able to kidnap Negan just before Rick came out. Amazing.
Clearly anyone with creative talent has long abandoned this shell of a once great show.
gandalf26
03-26-18, 08:34 PM
Quite a good episode. Nice to see "the walking dead" actually have an impact on the story.
Captain Steel
03-26-18, 09:05 PM
Yea I had literally no concern for Negan or Ricks safety, they are trying to get the 2 most interesting characters together on screen and we ve had 2 quite silly fights in recent episodes. I was briefly amused when I thought Rick might kidnap Lucille but nope.
The car chase was pathetic, looked like they were doing about 30mph then they skip filming the actual crash itself. I thought Negan was gonna show up and kill Simon at the end but garbage woman showed up at the exact right place and time and was able to kidnap Negan just before Rick came out. Amazing.
Clearly anyone with creative talent has long abandoned this shell of a once great show.
What's funny is how they gave the "car chase" so much hype (in previews and on "Talking Dead")... like a car chase is something special, or just so outside the universe of Walking Dead as to make it somehow unique or interesting.
Instead they just need more Maggie with her shirt off scenes (ala back when she got kidnapped by the Governor) before she starts to show! ;)
dadgumblah
03-27-18, 01:31 AM
Pretty good episode, but again, Rick runs out of ammo from shooting wildly and this time he does it twice! And once, he had a machine gun and ran out of ammo (or am I thinking of the previous episode...or both episodes) and throws the machine gun aside! Keep a spare clip with you, dummy! Okay, I know, in this case it was an all-out battle and you go with whatever is handy and use it, but Rick has a terrible habit of not aiming and firing blindly and wasting ammo. Okay, rant over.
Yes, this was great stuff, with a real Night of the Living Dead vibe to it. And I totally wasn't paying attention to the whole "germ warfare" thing going on, even though the Survivors were clearly shooting bow and arrows. But it was a bit dark after Maggie killed the lights and I couldn't tell what was going on. I know that Daryl yelled "Tara" but I could not tell at all that she got hit. All you could see is a person in the distance against a car. Then a closeup of a person filmed over their shoulder holding their wound, but again, couldn't see that it was Tara. So some of that battle was a bit muddled. And when Tobin had a fever, I totally missed that hint until they showed the alarm clock's time then I thought something was definitely up.
All-in-all, a fine episode that gave us the goods.
gandalf26
03-27-18, 08:16 AM
What's funny is how they gave the "car chase" so much hype (in previews and on "Talking Dead")... like a car chase is something special, or just so outside the universe of Walking Dead as to make it somehow unique or interesting.
Instead they just need more Maggie with her shirt off scenes (ala back when she got kidnapped by the Governor) before she starts to show! ;)
Tara >> Rosita >>>>> Maggie imo
Captain Steel
03-27-18, 05:51 PM
Pretty good episode, but again, Rick runs out of ammo from shooting wildly and this time he does it twice! And once, he had a machine gun and ran out of ammo (or am I thinking of the previous episode...or both episodes) and throws the machine gun aside! Keep a spare clip with you, dummy! Okay, I know, in this case it was an all-out battle and you go with whatever is handy and use it, but Rick has a terrible habit of not aiming and firing blindly and wasting ammo. Okay, rant over.
Yes, this was great stuff, with a real Night of the Living Dead vibe to it. And I totally wasn't paying attention to the whole "germ warfare" thing going on, even though the Survivors were clearly shooting bow and arrows. But it was a bit dark after Maggie killed the lights and I couldn't tell what was going on. I know that Daryl yelled "Tara" but I could not tell at all that she got hit. All you could see is a person in the distance against a car. Then a closeup of a person filmed over their shoulder holding their wound, but again, couldn't see that it was Tara. So some of that battle was a bit muddled. And when Tobin had a fever, I totally missed that hint until they showed the alarm clock's time then I thought something was definitely up.
All-in-all, a fine episode that gave us the goods.
Agree about the muddledness. You'll have to see my "Dislike of Technology" thread - where I talk about all the dark scenes in Walking Dead. For some reason, well-lit scenes look fine (like typical HD), but all the dark scenes look grainy & slightly pixelated - can't tell if it's the show or the TV or the cable signal, but well lit shows (such as sports) all look like typical HD.
dadgumblah
03-27-18, 11:14 PM
Yep. I had just watched The Beguiled (the new one) a few nights before and a lot of it was so dimly lit I wouldn't have been able to know anything that was happening if I hadn't have had the captioning function on that told who was talking and what they were saying. A few, and just a few of the scenes were lit enough so I could follow the action but damn, who lit the set? And didn't Coppola see how dim everything was when she made her final edit? I know the story calls for candle light in the era it was set in, but c'mon! We know it's the Civil War era and I've seen many movies where houses used candle light but the director was smart enough to show us the candle but light the set and photograph it so we could see what was happening.
Back to TWD. Here's how I barely followed what was happening:
Daryl yells, "Tara!" then a guy jumps in front of him and he shoots him.
Simon and Dwight are shown running in slow motion.
Then we see Simon making some gesture like he's throwing something and I don't know who he hits or if he does hit someone.
Due to later talk between Daryl and Tara, Dwight has hit her with some weapon (arrow or spear, I don't know) but I never saw Dwight do anything. I see Simon running away, but again, where was Dwight?
We see someone slump against a car, and can only assume it's Tara because earlier Daryl had yelled her name. But there was no immediate, clear scene of her being hit after he yelled her name.
We see (supposedly) Tara holding her wounded shoulder/side? but filmed blurrily over her shoulder. Only a vague smudged profile of the face led me to believe it was her.
As for slumping against the car, Alanna Masterson said that the stunt guys pulled her with a wire inside the car! Huh? Somebody's got their story wrong. It looked like it was against the car to me. Also, I could have sworn I saw a blurred image of a person in the distance trying to tend to Tara. Yet we were never shown a closeup or told who it was, if anyone.
I believe we saw Simon with a gun before the attack which led me to believe it was going to be a total fire-fight, not an arrow, spear-fight.
Yet, despite it all, I liked it, with the walkers shambling around in the dark, biting people. That was good stuff. They should do more of it.
dadgumblah
04-04-18, 08:09 PM
Last episode wasn't too bad. Still, yet again, Negan escapes death---this time he's let go! And Lucille is fine also, despite being threatened twice this back-half of Season Eight. I know it's setting it up for Simon's comeuppance at Negan's hand but, I don't know. If this has been posted before, I apologize, but it's potential good news:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/03/31/the-walking-dead-season-9-will-be-more-like-seasons-4-5-with-new-showrunner/#598c56d953f2
gandalf26
04-16-18, 07:58 PM
Felt like a series finale. Some lame attempt to set up Jesus Daryl and Maggie vs Rick and Michone. Yea like that is ever really gonna happen. Suppose that might be the last thing to do, a civil war? Last thing we need is another Governor/Negan.
I think TWD will be held up as a good example to other shows that 5-7 seasons is about the right amount, go past that and it's downhill in terms of credibility. Many great shows stopping in that 5-7 bracket.
I mean where does the show even go now? I know they have a new person in charge and on a positive note it can't get any worse.
Thoughts on finale;
-Good job for Mullet boy that all the Saviours fired at the same time.
-Underwhelming Amazon s save the day with Molotov cocktails....wut?
-As if you don't kill Negan Rick slaughters Saviours one week, next spares Negan?? Hmm
-Why was Daryl so pissed at Dwight??
-Maggies plan ROFLMAO.
-Where is Maggies baby bump?
Might just read up on comics so I can stop watching.
Captain Steel
04-16-18, 09:06 PM
Felt like a series finale. Some lame attempt to set up Jesus Daryl and Maggie vs Rick and Michone. Yea like that is ever really gonna happen. Suppose that might be the last thing to do, a civil war? Last thing we need is another Governor/Negan.
I think TWD will be held up as a good example to other shows that 5-7 seasons is about the right amount, go past that and it's downhill in terms of credibility. Many great shows stopping in that 5-7 bracket.
I mean where does the show even go now? I know they have a new person in charge and on a positive note it can't get any worse.
Thoughts on finale;
-Good job for Mullet boy that all the Saviours fired at the same time.
-Underwhelming Amazon s save the day with Molotov cocktails....wut?
-As if you don't kill Negan Rick slaughters Saviours one week, next spares Negan?? Hmm
-Why was Daryl so pissed at Dwight??
-Maggies plan ROFLMAO.
-Where is Maggies baby bump?
Might just read up on comics so I can stop watching.
The taking down of Negan felt terribly anti-climactic... but then the epilouge helped negate that a little (I thought it would've been funny if Gabriel, half blind, just bashed Negan's skull in with his bare hands right in front of Rick, Maggie and Rosita!) ;)
Last month I wrote this (bolding parts that now seem a bit prophetic)...
"Basically, they need to get the drop on Negan... but then NOT kill him. Something would happen where Negan's presence would save the day, and they'd realize he's a greater asset as a living weapon under their control than if they were to simply kill him.
Of course, starting out, Negan would have to be treated as a prisoner, but in time he could effectively become the wolf living amongst the sheep - and what we saw in Carl's dream would become a reality. And when Negan becomes a step-dad to Judith, he slowly gains her loyalty and indoctrinates her. It would be like what happened in Battlestar Galactica (original) when Baltar was captured and went back to living with humanity. Lots of people would still want Negan dead, so the show's drama would then derive from the idea of is the greater threat from without or within."
Who knows if they'll follow the rest of this course.
Where can the show go now that they've explored bunches of scenarios and any new adversaries would just seem like a rehash of what they've already done?
1. The virus mutates so that all animals now turn into zombies! ;) Birds, squirrels and kittens will start attacking - looking for human flesh. Even mosquitoes will die, turn zombie, and transmit the disease, so humans will start to turn into zombies after just a mosquito bite. No one will know who will turn next or when - and they'll get super paranoid with mosquito bite checks and looking for ticks!
2. The military shows up (hey we saw the helicopter already)... and say they've reestablished control. But it's not the military it used to be, since nothing is what it used to be after the zombie apocalypse, rather its a dictatorship! So Rick & Co. become the "Rebels" and the show basically becomes The Postman with zombies! ;)
Yeah, it seems like Maggie's been pregnant for a year and still has the body of a super-model!
dadgumblah
04-17-18, 02:22 AM
I enjoyed it enough. I knew from peeking at the comic's wiki page that Negan would be captured. I missed the whole cutting of the throat thing the last time I was at the wiki, but I just rechecked and it did happen in the comic. I wish Rick had killed him outright. It would have been a surprise for the comic fans and a victory for the show fans. But, Jeffrey Dean Morgan is very popular in general, if not his character, and I think it will go along with what Captain Steel said about "the wolf living amongst the sheep."
When all the guns misfired, I totally thought just for a second that people were shooting the guns out of their hands like The Waco Kid in Blazing Saddles! :rotfl:
I'm not convinced that Daryl and Jesus are against Rick and Michonne. I know Maggie was upset they didn't kill Negan, but I can't see turning her into a scheming person, unless maybe you add up her attitude this season where she executed a prisoner in the wire cage at the Hilltop, but I'm not buying this change. I mean, good girl Maggie is suddenly The Godfather? They didn't develop her turn to traitor nearly enough. Plus, I've read an interview where the new show-runner, Angela Kang, is planning on going ahead with this story even as they negotiate with Lauren Cohan over the money situation. I totally cannot see Daryl betraying his "brother" Rick. Jesus, maybe, but then again he's not for killing people. So why would he go along with Maggie in a plan to kill Negan?
Captain, I'm with you also on the women from Oceanside suddenly just showing up. It would have made sense if they'd shown Aaron with them, having finally won them over and convincing them to help but I didn't see Ross Marquand there at all. He was lying sick on the ground the last time I saw him. It will make sense if they tell about it when the show starts up again, but...in the comic, right after the war with the Saviors ends there is a two-year time jump, with Negan "rotting in a cell" like Rick promised. And the interview I saw about the new show-runner strongly hinted that they're going to do "something different" unlike anything they've done before. But Angela Kang has been with the show since Season 2 and according to Scott Gimple, "knows the show inside-and-out" and the comic also. So one can only guess at how she's going to untangle things. Because if there IS a sudden two-year jump, then she can't go ahead with the "bad Maggie" plan. They could do that at first, then jump ahead. We shall see.
There is also something supposed to happen after the war, with a new group of enemies called "The Whisperers" attacking our heroes. They are people who pretend to be Walkers, then attack the good guys. Several critics who are fans of the show have been cited as hoping they'll get to that story soon.
Captain, I laughed at your idea about all the animals getting the zombie virus. I like zombie shows where anybody or anything can turn.
I had an idea that would have been interesting, I think, if I may be so bold. In Season One, Glenn and Rick wore zombie guts to blend in with Walkers. They did it again in Alexandria when the stupid brat was calling out, "Mom, mom?" and thankfully got eaten. :) And it seems like they did it in-between those events. And Negan and Father Gabriel wore the guts but only Gabriel got sick. Then the guts used by the Saviors on the Hilltop people infected many of them. So I was thinking that maybe there could be a mutation in the virus where certain people like Rick and Negan are immune to the guts. Then again *sigh* Father Gabriel only wore the guts and got sick, but the victims at the hilltop were penetrated with zombified arrows and spears, so I guess that was just like getting bitten and contracting the virus. I don't know. I think I'm overthinking everything! Grrr!
One last thing---I was impressed with the size of the Walker horde Rick pointed out in the distance. I wish they'd still get a scientist on the show who could throw out ideas on what drives them in herds like that. I'm still holding out hope for somebody to eventually be found out to be immune and humans going after that person or persons to get an infusion of blood from them.
All-in-all, I was glad they stopped the Savior war last night and I hope they don't do the two-year time jump.
gandalf26
04-17-18, 06:33 AM
Good job Daryl has anti bacterial wipes for all his arrows that he repeatedly uses to kill walkers then game. :)
Also whatever happened to the Kingdom feeding the dead to pigs they gave to the Saviours? Nothing ever came if that
gandalf26
05-30-18, 02:11 PM
I don't wanna be specific because this could be spoiler-y, but if you Google around there's a bit of controversy over a cast member with another show lined up who wants a pay increase, and it sounds like they might let them leave. What you're describing is definitely a big problem to any show built around a group of characters, which most are (there's no House without Hugh Laurie, for example), but TWD is uniquely equipped to do without quite a few of its main characters if it has to.
Made the news today across the board that it's Andrew Lincoln leaving a few episodes into s9.
No point preventing spoilers at this point as I don't think anyone is really that invested anymore to care much. Plus its plastered everywhere today.
Will be a shame I guess, TWD was fairly great s1-5. I rewatched 1-6 recently but had literally no desire to go as far as 7, in fact I didn't even finish 6.
Would be surprised if TWD makes it past s9 or 10.
I think 2-3 more seasons. They'll make a go of it with Norman Reedus.
This actually might be the best thing to happen to the show, since it forces some major deviations from the comic book, anyway.
GrantD2
05-30-18, 02:20 PM
I've grown to not really like Daryl, so I personally don't see him being able to pull off being the lead. But hey, I've been committed to watching the show no matter how bad it gets, so I'll be watching it until the end regardless.
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