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cat_sidhe
10-22-17, 12:15 PM
https://youtu.be/7gZCfRD_zWE
Binge-watched it in the week. It wasn't gory, but the casting and conversations were interesting and well done. Some creepy likenesses to serial killers going on there.
TheUsualSuspect
10-24-17, 08:42 AM
Just started this. Hard to tell "where" it's going after the first episode, but interesting nonetheless.
cat_sidhe
10-24-17, 09:05 AM
Just started this. Hard to tell "where" it's going after the first episode, but interesting nonetheless.
Interested to see what you think of it as it goes on.
I liked it overall. It’s surprisingly well paced. Dialogue is deployed very cleverly.
I’m still not sure if I liked Jonathan Groff’s performance. I might have needed more of a kick, though it was interesting seeing his neuroses amplified on both sides of his life as a result of the meetings. That’s what’s holding me back from discarding it.
Holt McCallany, as I said before, holds the whole thing together.
cat_sidhe
10-24-17, 10:13 AM
If the series has been discussed before, apologies for the unnecessary thread. I did search for a thread, but it was on mobile, so search results didn't bring up anything at all.
I agree that McCallany had the stronger performance of those two.
Been waiting for this for awhile. Had planned to start watching as soon as it was available, but October's ended up being pretty crazy busy, so I haven't yet. Looking forward to it, though.
The guy playing Kemper is magnetic.
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This is a great end to the Fincher trilogy (Se7en, Zodiac, Mindhunter) and Cameron Britton has locked down supporting/guest actor awards for the next year.
The core four of Bill, Shepard, Wendy and Holden is perfect, the thing that I love about this show is it's diversity. Not "ethnic" diversity but intellectual diversity which we've lost in the last 20 years of film/TV. All four characters are flawed, well defined and positioned in different areas. Each character has it's own priorities sometimes they are wrong other times they are right.
I also love the pacing of the show, it would be easy to do a season long murder mystery or stretch out plot lines throughout the 10 episodes but with this show the stories are told and we move on. The profilers failing in the murder mystery part of the series is one of the better twists I've seen in a long time. And that could have been played as the big finale but for this series it was just the middle chunk.
The interviews with the killers are great but seeing the failures and crimes at all the different stages is another thing that makes this series so much fun to watch. BTK just being in the prologue portion of the series is great and demonstrative of long term planning you just don't see anymore.
cat_sidhe
10-24-17, 10:59 AM
The guy playing Kemper is magnetic.
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He rivetted me to the spot.
Give Anna Torv and Carrie Coon in a buddy cop movie now.
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First episode is kinda muddled, but the show really finds its footing in the second. I can tell I'm probably going to enjoy the rest.
And man, that travel montage. Virtuoso.
Tacitus
10-30-17, 02:21 PM
Asides from having one of the most awful titles imaginable, I enjoyed Mindhunter. It's like Hannibal without the monotonous, wilful gore.
Think i'm going to start this tomorrow. I've actually already seen an ep with my gf when she was watching it, it was the Richard Speck episode. I saw a video of Speck in prison just looked it up and it was in 1996 apparently, it was one of the most vile things i've ever seen. He was abusing hormones to give him breasts for uh obvious reasons. The other inmates were verbally abusing and mocking him and it was obvious what was going on. Thought the trouble he was having with other inmates was supposed to be a reference to that, kinda doesn't make sense since Speck was supposed to have had a cushy time in jail around the time this was set. Still it was an interesting portrayal of him and i'm interested in seeing it all and from the start.
Derek Vinyard
04-29-18, 05:33 AM
This TV-Show is absolutely awesome. Just finish the 1st season and I love every single episode. Can't wait for the 2nd.
After going through this again over the week I’ve turned around on Groff’s performance. It’s a much more interactive experience the 2nd time around, for me at least, once you get into the rhythm of it and start to examine the exchanges. There’s a line from Ford, something about not wanting to look “like a village person” while he and Debbie are out shopping, that clues you in to the guys real attitudes. It’s less like he’s absorbing those of guys like Kemper and more like he’s loosening up. That’s where the real psychoanalysis begins and it’s disturbing.
Watching Ford wrestle with the urge to get, um, first hand experiences should be fascinating.
Expect Debbie and Wendy to be the tv couple come season 2. Or, at least, near the top.
doubledenim
06-21-18, 08:28 PM
Mindhunters isn't the best Netflix series, not dark enough, but still one of the better ones. A Kemper spinoff would be something I would watch D1. The Fincher episodes stood out to me, because they featured a lot of stylized sequences that others lack. Then I read that he did 75 takes for one 9 minute scene. Apparently this is normal for him, but I was surprised to hear this.
The ADT man is a good touch.
I think I read somewhere that Robert Downey Jr. hid cups full of urine for his daily drug tests around the set of Zodiac as a way of protesting Fincher’s excessive direction.
Anyways, how was this not dark enough for you?
doubledenim
06-21-18, 10:30 PM
It was a reference to Dark. My favorite.
Dewey Crowe’s gonna play Charles Manson in this too!
http://collider.com/mindhunter-charles-manson-damon-herriman/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Here he’ll be 80’s era Manson, already behind bars.
cat_sidhe
08-30-18, 01:00 PM
Dewey Crowe’s gonna play Charles Manson in this too!
http://collider.com/mindhunter-charles-manson-damon-herriman/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Here he’ll be 80’s era Manson, already behind bars.
Oh my god, Dewey Crowe. :lol:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/90/dd/bb90ddb8db074c25e1eb884f512097eb.gif
DAMN I miss Justified.
Just finished episode 2 and its nothing less than fantastic.
I guess that director guy Fincher really knows what he's doing ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzgygw4LN7s&app=desktop
Derek Vinyard
01-09-19, 09:25 PM
Give me the 2nd season already please!
If this series comes out with a soundtrack I'm buying it, LOVE the music.
Sigh! Just finished it and even though Dec 7 they wrapped up filming season 2, the release dates unknown. Speculated it'll be June or October.
Best series of this type since the 1st season of True Detective.
doubledenim
01-10-19, 07:16 PM
I inhaled that show. Inclined as I am to forget names, Big Creepy was amazing. And all the glamorous dart burning.
gandalf26
01-11-19, 08:52 AM
What's the verdict on paedo Principal? The right thing was done no?
doubledenim
07-12-19, 05:59 PM
Season 2 premieres 8.16.19.
Guess Finchy took some time off from those Gatorade commercials.
Austruck
07-30-19, 01:46 PM
TRAILER for season 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIazdDw4tao
Claireofthemoon
07-30-19, 02:28 PM
Season 2 is streaming next month.
doubledenim
07-30-19, 02:30 PM
Manson and Berkowitz?!?!?!
JoaoRodrigues
08-07-19, 07:18 AM
i started watching the first series after watching the trailer for the second,
watched five episodes the other night, expect to watch the other five today,
i'm also a little sceptical about jonathan's performance, but lets see
some of you might have heard of humans of new york page, i fond this story (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemcneal/humans-of-new-york-photo-man-set-on-fire-disturbing) the other day
most interesting than that is the comment by damaris muga, check it out-
this story makes it easier to judge most hony followers, privileged entitle folk. it's all good and dandy when life is nice stories, with a little heart break love stories and the occasional terminal illness patients and unruly teenagers stories. but give the macbook retina, starbucks wielding, sushi lover a likkle something from the streets. now you see pricks all over the place. so, in this instance, aww poor innocent thing was tortured by the father for years, shame. but the moment he mirrors that and sets another innocent person on fire... jail him! humans are predictable and indeed pathetic
Austruck
08-16-19, 01:18 PM
SEASON 2 has dropped! I'll squeeze in an episode or two today. But I'll have to hope it doesn't completely suck me in because I have too much work to do this weekend. :D
Austruck
08-18-19, 01:41 PM
Am I the only one bingeing season 2?? :D
Yes, because I just finished re-binging Veronica Mars and now I'm binging the final season of Legion and I still have to binge the new season of GLOW. :laugh: But Mindhunter is probably up shortly after that.
Austruck
08-18-19, 06:22 PM
Side note: Here in episode 7, I am seeing a big whiteboard they're using. Yes, I just looked on Wikipedia and whiteboards didn't really come into actual use till the 1990s, and this show is currently set in 1980.
Should have been a corkboard and/or a regular chalkboard. SLOPPY.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteboard
Austruck
08-18-19, 07:17 PM
Episode 8: A cop mentions a "Post-it" note. They weren't for sale till mid-1980, and that doesn't mean they were in the vernacular then. Just for sale.
This show is getting sloppy with its research. Someone uses the term "African American," too. Not sure how widespread that was in 1980.
Yes, I'm nitpicking. The season, though, itself is compelling. I just hate being thrown out of the story world by annoying lapses in the details. :)
Agreed that the first episode was wonky. I've enjoyed EVERYTHING since except for the constant glances to one another totally telegraphing their guilt or surprise or whatever other tell they give away. Someone should make a YouTube parody of two grown men constantly glancing at each other in sheepish anxiety. The other is the cassette. I just screamed at my screen.
Flying through this, couple episodes a note. Be done this weekend I expect. Very much enjoying it.
Flying through this, couple episodes a note. Be done this weekend I expect. Very much enjoying it.
Where are you? Season/ep? I just finished S1 not 5 minutes ago.
Half expecting, "I'm in my living room, yn."
:D
Austruck
08-24-19, 01:22 AM
Agreed that the first episode was wonky. I've enjoyed EVERYTHING since except for the constant glances to one another totally telegraphing their guilt or surprise or whatever other tell they give away. Someone should make a YouTube parody of two grown men constantly glancing at each other in sheepish anxiety. The other is the cassette. I just screamed at my screen.
What about the cassette made you scream at your screen? They had cassettes in 1980! :D
Where are you? Season/ep? I just finished S1 not 5 minutes ago.
S2, just finished the sixth episode.
Agreed that the first episode was wonky. I've enjoyed EVERYTHING since except for the constant glances to one another totally telegraphing their guilt or surprise or whatever other tell they give away. Someone should make a YouTube parody of two grown men constantly glancing at each other in sheepish anxiety. The other is the cassette. I just screamed at my screen.
What about the cassette made you scream at your screen? They had cassettes in 1980! :D
lol. You were the one chasing tech. It just bugged me with what happened to the cassette. Or what didnt happen to it?
GulfportDoc
08-24-19, 12:31 PM
Watched the first 5 eps of season 2. Overall I'm enjoying it more than season 1. To me the standout is Hoyt McCallany as Agent Bill Tench. He has a lot of charisma, and seems the most well adjusted of the leads. I could do without the obligatory sourpuss lezzie, capably played by Anna Torv. Johnathan Groff's Holden Ford is a bit uneven, but he hold's one's interest.
As mentioned by some, the period stuff is not 100% accurate for 1979-80, but that's real common. I guess they don't want to confuse anyone...:D
~Doc
I'll start s2 today and am looking forward to it after the closing scenes of season 1. Great song too ;)
Gideon58
08-24-19, 12:56 PM
Everybody I know is talking about this show, I guess I need to check it out.
Everybody I know is talking about this show, I guess I need to check it out.
Hold your nose on the first ep! lol. It gets MUCH better by the next. Hope you enjoy it.
Austruck
08-24-19, 05:49 PM
lol. You were the one chasing tech. It just bugged me with what happened to the cassette. Or what didnt happen to it?
Wait, so this is in season one somewhere? Now I'm completely blanking on what you're referring to! :D
lol. You were the one chasing tech. It just bugged me with what happened to the cassette. Or what didnt happen to it?
Wait, so this is in season one somewhere? Now I'm completely blanking on what you're referring to! :D
Yeah. I was being cryptic for anyone who has not seen it, but the short sub-plot investigation on their recording and transcripted interview frustrated me with how the new investigator handled himself. Not that they used a cassette, just how it was handled =)
Austruck
08-24-19, 11:11 PM
Ohhhh, yeah. That seemed a bit contrived, didn't it? Not sure he would haveratted Ford out like that, despite them having made it clear he has PRINCIPLES. :D :D
JoaoRodrigues
08-25-19, 10:34 AM
the bar was high for this series, it have the great david fincher on board. a master of the genera.
i prefer season 1, but they're equally good. some people comparing season 2 to the first true detective,
i can't agree, true detective was too good to be true, to a series. the cast obviously helped.
i saw an interview with the cast, and holt mccallany said this series is different from almost every other,
because it is being made like a movie, the cast sits on a table and they think on how to improve scenes,
they think about what is the point of every scene, they don't just think of deadlines, filming time.
GulfportDoc
08-25-19, 11:15 AM
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i saw an interview with the cast, and holt mccallany said this series is different from almost every other,
because it is being made like a movie, the cast sits on a table and they think on how to improve scenes,
they think about what is the point of every scene, they don't just think of deadlines, filming time.
That's interesting. I did notice that the group scenes seemed very well thought out, so it makes sense that they'd used the method to which you referred.
TRAILER for season 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIazdDw4tao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbXSiEXqG5Q&list=
Siouxsie And The Banshees - Night Shift
GulfportDoc
08-29-19, 01:42 PM
Finished up with season 2 of Mindhunter last night. Its quality was high, and held one's interest throughout-- IMO more so than did the first season.
The script closely followed the actual Atlanta murders of 1979-81, where 30 murders were lumped together as considered the possible result of a serial killer. 24 were children from aged 9 to 17. However several major liberties were taken for the script.
The first change was the character Wendy Carr, portrayed by Anna Torv as a Quantico psychologist and lesbian. The real life character, Ann Burgess, is a psychiatric nurse practitioner who is a heterosexual married to a man, and with children. Carr's side story of her homosexual relationship had no bearing on the story, nor did it improve the narrative.
The second was Agent Bill Tench, played by Holt McCallany as real life FBI profiler Robert Ressler. Ressler remained happily married until his death at aged 76. I won't reveal the ending, but at least it made sense to the story.
The 2nd season is a darkly fascinating true crime saga. The man eventually charged was convicted for only 2 of the murders, both adults. However another 22 were conveniently "attributed" to the convict, and their cases closed, while 4 are "unresolved".
The way season 2 ended, we can almost be certain of a 3rd season, with a whole new collection of crimes. Hopefully creator Joe Penhall will come up with an equally high quality season.
~Doc
Austruck
08-29-19, 02:05 PM
The only thing about Carr's lesbianism that tied in, IMHO, was when she revealed that bit of information in the inmate interview and got him to open up. Of course, Smith didn't believe it and thought it was just a brilliant ploy of hers to get the inmate to talk. But that seemed to be the only reason to incorporate that into the storyline.
As for a third season... gosh, I hope so. They keep showing us that oddball out in Kansas somewhere (the one who works for ADT), and I was waiting for them to come back around to him at some point. But as yet, that far-flung story hasn't intersected with our agents back at Quantico. I'm assuming it's going to somehow/sometime catch up with them ... and might even be the story they use to tie up the series with a final season. Meanwhile, that weirdo is just out there killing people without anyone picking up on him.
JoaoRodrigues
08-30-19, 07:39 AM
all this for you...
https://z-m-scontent.flis5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68694355_3007525849288920_4245556888420220928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQmm2gQHBXrmsW5TMDtmHDRbgAhEXXRoGAifPjuEW2bvnVN1YIZUXDmLymguC7TwH3Y&_nc_ad=z-m&_nc_cid=1272&_nc_zor=9&_nc_ht=z-m-scontent.flis5-1.fna&oh=1e9885bdceb7c48afc5cb9ff3ae9737d&oe=5E03B6CB
The only thing about Carr's lesbianism that tied in, IMHO, was when she revealed that bit of information in the inmate interview and got him to open up. Of course, Smith didn't believe it and thought it was just a brilliant ploy of hers to get the inmate to talk. But that seemed to be the only reason to incorporate that into the storyline.
As for a third season... gosh, I hope so. They keep showing us that oddball out in Kansas somewhere (the one who works for ADT), and I was waiting for them to come back around to him at some point. But as yet, that far-flung story hasn't intersected with our agents back at Quantico. I'm assuming it's going to somehow/sometime catch up with them ... and might even be the story they use to tie up the series with a final season. Meanwhile, that weirdo is just out there killing people without anyone picking up on him.
The ADT guy is the BTK killer. You see the logo on the copy that gets jammed in the Xerox machine. The agents talk about the killer from time to time, so I think that will all come to a head on season 3.
GulfportDoc
08-30-19, 10:14 AM
all this for you...
https://z-m-scontent.flis5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68694355_3007525849288920_4245556888420220928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQmm2gQHBXrmsW5TMDtmHDRbgAhEXXRoGAifPjuEW2bvnVN1YIZUXDmLymguC7TwH3Y&_nc_ad=z-m&_nc_cid=1272&_nc_zor=9&_nc_ht=z-m-scontent.flis5-1.fna&oh=1e9885bdceb7c48afc5cb9ff3ae9737d&oe=5E03B6CB
Nice find, Joao! I love the back story and filming stuff. Fascinating to see the technical side of various sets and scenes.
~Doc
Austruck
08-30-19, 12:32 PM
Sedai ... I had NOT put those two things together. I know he panicked and reached for the jammed paper so the other guy wouldn't see it. I missed what it was, exactly.
JoaoRodrigues
08-30-19, 03:25 PM
Nice find, Joao! I love the back story and filming stuff. Fascinating to see the technical side of various sets and scenes.
~Doc
this might interest you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di4Byf1EzRE
Pretty interesting clip, Joao. I especially like the last segment showing them removing accessibility ramps onto the sidewalks. I don't think these became regulated until the 1990's Americans with Disabilities Act. So those would not have existed during the time this took place. Nice details. Too bad about Austruck's Post-it notes and white marker boards ;)
Re: Carr's sexual orientation, I think it ties well enough into the story for perspective on their evolving definition of deviant behaviors. Much of season one highlights how the FBI defines deviancy in language and actions. Ford grows, somewhat, from the uptight agent man-boy through his mental and sexual relationships with his girlfriend, confronting what he is willing to accept for himself while still holding some level of judgment on others. There was a scene that placed a point on this when his girlfriend "dressed up" for him, reminding him of his earlier encounter with Ed's obsessions. Clearly he drew a connection there and felt uncomfortable.
I think Carr's sexuality plays off of that too at least for the audience. What defines deviant behavior of the time? To what degrees of deviance are acceptable (Ford editing the FBI list of deviant terms early in the season and the older instructor pushing back on the idea)? Where are the edges of gray to better define what's expected to be black or white? Is Carr's sexuality a bias in a strict FBI profile development of that time? Does that affect her similarly to the ways that Ford questions his own attractions? Does being attracted to his girlfriend's footwear mean that he is turning toward a path leading to Ed-like behaviour? Where does Carr fit into this considering she is helping to define these deviant tendencies that suggest their profiles' psychological development? She even used her personal relationship with her previous director to "relate" to the criminal during an interview. He responded, so clearly it was partly meant to show that there are some shared behaviours between the two. Or at least shared acknowledgment of the behaviours and how they might be interpreted.
Compare all this to the sexual and moral standards of Bill and Greg, rounding out the team, and you have an interesting dynamic for us to measure in how each personality responds to these investigations and how they might question their own behaviours and what's socially acceptable. We see Bill with his wife, in bed, but never any shared sexual or emotional interactions. And Greg!? I'm sure if he ever married there would be two matching twin beds in the master bedroom for how uptight he is!
GulfportDoc
08-30-19, 08:05 PM
this might interest you
Yes, fascinating stuff! Oftentimes they never have to leave the sound stage..:)
GulfportDoc
08-30-19, 08:14 PM
Re: Carr's sexual orientation, I think it ties well enough into the story for perspective on their evolving definition of deviant behaviors.
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Well reasoned opinon, ynwtf. But you may be reading too much into it. In my view this was just raw SJ revisionism to placate modern Hollywood fashionableness, and lock-step PC reviewers..:)
Re: Carr's sexual orientation, I think it ties well enough into the story for perspective on their evolving definition of deviant behaviors.
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Well reasoned opinon, ynwtf. But you may be reading too much into it. In my view this was just raw SJ revisionism to placate modern Hollywood fashionableness, and lock-step PC reviewers..:)
Very possible. For me I think the question might have come up in a writers' round table where they might have realized that the side stories of Bill's and Carr's relationships were just too similar, both in heterosexual relationships. My guess is that someone tossed the idea of her being homosexual to open a door to other relationship dynamics that stood apart from the other primary characters. At that point it may have been supported by the arguments and tiered relationships between the three (four if you count loser tattletale Greg [the tattletale loser] Smith) noted earlier to help create more dynamic side plots. I'm sure someone also probably added the selling point that it might appeal to a specific viewer as a bonus.
Totally possible :)
GulfportDoc
08-31-19, 12:38 PM
Very possible. For me I think the question might have come up in a writers' round table where they might have realized that the side stories of Bill's and Carr's relationships were just too similar, both in heterosexual relationships. My guess is that someone tossed the idea of her being homosexual to open a door to other relationship dynamics that stood apart from the other primary characters. At that point it may have been supported by the arguments and tiered relationships between the three (four if you count loser tattletale Greg [the tattletale loser] Smith) noted earlier to help create more dynamic side plots. I'm sure someone also probably added the selling point that it might appeal to a specific viewer as a bonus.
Totally possible :)
You might be right. No way to know. But did you notice that, in contrast to the actual facts, NONE of the relationships worked? Neither Tench's nor Carr's; and Ford doesn't even have one. I suppose that's to increase the dramatic possibilities, but otherwise it doesn't say much for relationships. Rather 21st Century, don't you think?..:D
Gideon58
08-31-19, 01:14 PM
Everybody I know is talking about this show so I just watched the pilot...it wasn't exactly what I had been led to believe, but fascinating nevertheless...real change of pace for Jonathan Groff...I'm curious to see where this goes.
Everybody I know is talking about this show so I just watched the pilot...it wasn't exactly what I had been led to believe, but fascinating nevertheless...real change of pace for Jonathan Groff...I'm curious to see where this goes.
The pilot is rough, to say the least. I stuck with it for lack of anything else to do and I've really enjoy its development. Hope you continue.
Austruck
08-31-19, 03:11 PM
The pilot is rough, to say the least. I stuck with it for lack of anything else to do and I've really enjoy its development. Hope you continue.
Funny, I had no trouble slipping into this show and found it riveting almost from the beginning. (Maybe it was the 1970s clothing.) :D
I probably mentioned early on that part of my reason for starting it in the first place was that a friend of mine plays that woman hostage in the opening scene of the very first episode. :)
That's pretty neat. I thought ep2 was way better than ep1 and I'm glad i stuck with it. Finally finished season 2 the other night. I'm also hoping for a season three as s2 felt like a strong setup.
Just started over on this and noticed how soft the score is in ep1 compared to how anxiety-inducing it was by the second half of season 2. Great background growth. Also Ford stained his cuff after returning home from the opening scene. I remember that from season 2. I wonder if it's a symbolic motif that I missed. How many other episodes show his stained cuff?
Ha. The first conversation between Ford and Debbie immediately shows how conservative he is. She asked if he's going to book her, he playfully responds maybe, she then smirks and asked, "handcuffs?" He was speechless. Follow that with her introduction of Durkheim's Theory of Deviancy and this completely sets up the internal conflicts of each of our main agent characters. This first EP keeps laying the foundation of coming conflicts so directly! Totally missed it the first time.
I take back any negativity I projected earlier onto this first episode.
Austruck
08-31-19, 10:47 PM
See, now I realize I have to rewatch the whole show. :D
See, now I realize I have to rewatch the whole show. :D
Yeah. I feel the writing was quite methodical and deliberate going in rather than reacting moving forward. I'm catching things that just had to have been placed deliberately. Almost like clues to a case by some nut criminal mind. :D
Gideon58
09-04-19, 07:45 PM
Watched ep 2 of season 1 this afternoon...loved the gigantic serial killer who loved egg salad sandwiches.
Gideon58
09-21-19, 12:58 PM
Just began season 2...not happy with the way they just skipped over Holden's breakdown and showed him strapped to a hospital bed...it would have been nice to see exactly what predicated the attack and why strapping him to the bed was necessary. Loving Michael Cerveris as the new boss. And is something going to happen between Tench and Wendy? There was a definite sexual tension between them in ep 1.
the samoan lawyer
09-23-19, 08:48 AM
Started this last week and have just finished ep 1 of season 2. Cant describe how much I'm enjoying it.
Gideon58
10-04-19, 04:57 PM
Just watched the scene where they met Charles Manson...absolutely brilliant...loved the way Holden stood up as Manson was being brought in, as if he were royalty or something.
Austruck
10-04-19, 06:15 PM
Just began season 2...not happy with the way they just skipped over Holden's breakdown and showed him strapped to a hospital bed...it would have been nice to see exactly what predicated the attack and why strapping him to the bed was necessary. Loving Michael Cerveris as the new boss. And is something going to happen between Tench and Wendy? There was a definite sexual tension between them in ep 1.
I think they can still come at this as a sort of flashback or trigger for Holden in the future. If they're being genuine about this breakdown, then it SHOULD show up again, given what he does for a living. It should KEEP coming back to haunt him.
Gideon58
10-07-19, 05:02 PM
Just wrapped ep 6 of season 2...Tench's wife is starting to piss me off...she keeps begging for everyone's help with Brian but she keeps telling help how to help. Loved wendy's fascination with BDSM sex during that interview and I also love that NO ONE wants hear anything Holden is saying in Atlanta so you just know he's probably going to end up being right about everything.
Nooooooooooooooooo
https://twitter.com/MichaelAusiello/status/1217627649964556288
Note: the tweet overstates things. The show is not canceled, there's just going to be enough of a delay that they had to release the cast to do other things. It's not clear what the show's future is, but it's not been canceled.
Glad you posted a follow-up. I couldn't in good conscience like the other.
;)
Still ugh though.
WrinkledMind
01-16-20, 01:07 PM
Still that sounds depressing as hell.
I also wonder if this falls in Netflix's way of working. They are more obsessed about developing new series (and giving them couple of seasons) rather than pumping money into existing ones, unless they are real commercially successful ones like Stranger Things.
doubledenim
12-04-22, 03:05 AM
It’s just too damn good for it’s own sake. Some of these shots put everything else too shame. Tench and Bri, what a tangle to deal with.
Austruck
12-04-22, 11:44 AM
Are there any updates on this show? I really miss it. Would have to rewatch all of season 2 at this point, in order to go into a season 3 without periods of confusion. :)
Nope, still on hold, whatever that means.
Austruck
12-04-22, 11:10 PM
Nope, still on hold, whatever that means.
Sadness.
This was pretty clear already, but...
91687
i get it, but bummer all the same.
Austruck
02-21-23, 03:07 PM
Huge bummer, and I don't get why it's an expensive show. The special effects? :D :D
Tons of on location shooting, sizable cast, and probably just top-notch crew all around. Fincher, as well.
I think TV should be done BBC style. Each series (i.e., season) is a complete story and they don't do filler episodes (their seasons are short). This is better than the American style of "let's just milk this cow dry."
We all knew it, but I had a glimmer of hope when they hinted that they were meeting a couple of months ago. Yeah, it sucks.
beelzebubble
02-21-23, 04:59 PM
This was pretty clear already, but...
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=91687
Is this code for Fincher asked for too much? But seriously, at this point I didn't expect it back but that it did not pull the numbers needed is baloney. It's a show about serial killers. All humans love shows about serial killers except for gbgoodies. I've never asked her but it doesn't sound like her thing.
Austruck
02-21-23, 05:52 PM
All humans love shows about serial killers except for gbgoodies. I've never asked her but it doesn't sound like her thing.
Especially on Netflix. They're kinda the go-to streaming service for docs on serial killers and movies about serial killers and dramatizations about serial killers... :D
Honestly, that's probably about 75% of the content I watch on Netflix these days. :) And I'm not alone.
Especially on Netflix. They're kinda the go-to streaming service for docs on serial killers and movies about serial killers and dramatizations about serial killers... :D
Honestly, that's probably about 75% of the content I watch on Netflix these days. :) And I'm not alone.
nope. you're NOT alone. there are probably at least three creepy stalkers hiding in various shadowy corners of the house.
I wanted to type, "there are probably at least three other creepy stalkers..." but I don't mean to imply that you are creepy. or a stalker.
Austruck
02-21-23, 06:52 PM
I wanted to type, "there are probably at least three other creepy stalkers..." but I don't mean to imply that you are creepy. or a stalker.
Ya know, I thought about that double meaning as I typed that, but then figured you guys were all above that sort of humor.
Fool me once... ;)
doubledenim
02-21-23, 08:25 PM
Look on the bright side, we would have never gotten the show if it wasn’t made during the “Netflix Burning Cash Era”. Let alone two seasons.
Curious to why they made an announcement, unless they are hoping to get another streamer to pick it up.
gbgoodies
02-21-23, 11:59 PM
Is this code for Fincher asked for too much? But seriously, at this point I didn't expect it back but that it did not pull the numbers needed is baloney. It's a show about serial killers. All humans love shows about serial killers except for gbgoodies. I've never asked her but it doesn't sound like her thing.
I'm hit or miss with shows about serial killers. It depends on how much is actually shown on screen. I've watched movies and TV shows that treat these stories as mysteries, rather than horror movies, (like Zodiac, Se7en, and The Silence of the Lambs, and TV shows like "Criminal Minds" and "CSI"), but when they cross the line into bloody horror movies, that's when I don't like them.
doubledenim
02-22-23, 02:58 AM
In all fairness, the second season was good, but a steep drop off. Holden’s character arc at the end of s1 😳 led into being written out of the script for s2.
WrinkledMind
02-22-23, 03:04 AM
This was expected.
Now Netflix can go ahead & spend more money on the sequel to the Grey Man ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Austruck
02-22-23, 04:36 PM
I'm hit or miss with shows about serial killers. It depends on how much is actually shown on screen. I've watched movies and TV shows that treat these stories as mysteries, rather than horror movies, (like Zodiac, Se7en, and The Silence of the Lambs, and TV shows like "Criminal Minds" and "CSI"), but when they cross the line into bloody horror movies, that's when I don't like them.
I'm mostly the same. I could watch several documentaries on Jeffrey Dahmer and had no issues, but the dramatized version, Dahmer, starring Evan Peters, really disturbed me. I didn't even make it through the first episode.
beelzebubble
02-22-23, 08:38 PM
I'm mostly the same. I could watch several documentaries on Jeffrey Dahmer and had no issues, but the dramatized version, Dahmer, starring Evan Peters, really disturbed me. I didn't even make it through the first episode.
Yeah, I didn't make it through that show either. I did not want to feel like I was sruck in Dahmer's apartment.
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